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Coming from LG G6

Hey
I'm currently a lg G6 user and I'm thinking about buying the mi mix 2s !
I live in Paris so had the chance to test it live in their store and found it beautiful, the screen was very good and the camera too, but I also tried the Xiaomi S2 in hand and felt good too.
I know the price would be a factor, but it's not the case for me and Idk what to buy, the S2 or the mi mix 2s.
I mostly use my phone for youtube, chatting sms calls... no games and I take many pictures, so the camera and battery are important to me (I also like to use custom roms ...)
I ask you if you could please give me your opinion and help me choose
Many thanks !

The Mi Mix 2S has the better camera and internal specs, also the build materials are better. But that's because they are different phones, aimed at different targets: The Mi Mix 2S being a flagship, whereas the S2 is a mid tier phone.

I totally agree with Kristof_clg, however keep in mind that the 2s is very heavy. Feels very strange if you are not used to it

I also came from a G6. Don't get the 2S. Hell, don't get any Xiaomi device.
Too many broken/missing features.
Just get another LG or something like that.

I was on LG G5, next ZUK Z2 Pro, next OnePlus 3 and now on Mix 2S and it's A LOT better than all previous ones, smoothness, camera, quality build, the screen, it's very very impressive, I know the G6 and you should leave LG for Xiaomi.

I moved from LG6 to MIX 2S and don't regret it. all specs are obviously better, including battery life. took me a while to get used to weight, MIX 2s is a very, very heavy device. there were few problems with original software, but latest update fixed it. Camera is much better. design was the reason i bought MIX, but if i should do it again, i will not buy Xiaomi device again.

barcode99 said:
I moved from LG6 to MIX 2S and don't regret it. all specs are obviously better, including battery life. took me a while to get used to weight, MIX 2s is a very, very heavy device. there were few problems with original software, but latest update fixed it. Camera is much better. design was the reason i bought MIX, but if i should do it again, i will not buy Xiaomi device again.
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SolarisSixth said:
I also came from a G6. Don't get the 2S. Hell, don't get any Xiaomi device.
Too many broken/missing features.
Just get another LG or something like that.
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Could you please explain the reasons why? Since I already had a redmi note 4 it was great overall besides the camera.
Thanks !

"Very, very heavy" ?! Seriously ? I don't feel it heavy at all ?

Bryandu13 said:
"Very, very heavy" ?! Seriously ? I don't feel it heavy at all
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Depends on what phone you had before. I bought the 2s after I used the oneplus one for a long time... The 1+1 is wonderful lightweight and the 2s feels like I can murder someone with it

Bryandu13 said:
"Very, very heavy" ?! Seriously ? I don't feel it heavy at all
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191 g vs 163 g that's a very big difference, isn't it?

barcode99 said:
191 g vs 163 g that's a very big difference, isn't it?
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Maybe for girls

barcode99 said:
191 g vs 163 g that's a very big difference, isn't it?
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It simply doesn't make a big deal to me.
I owned 11 smartphones and it truly doesn't bother me. In fact I'm okay with it.
Just my personal preference.

I came from an HTC 10 and a Nexus 6 before that. Neither of those phones was built to be a lightweight, and even I noticed how heavy the 2S is. That said, it doesn't bother me a bit. To me if feels sturdy and I would much rather that than it feeling cheap and like it couldn't take a drop (my first couple of Samsung phones come to mind). Plus as stated earlier, you could use it as an effective weapon if needed

LG have had quality build issues. G4 bootloop due to bad memory, G5 gps Very weak, to not working at all. I have a g5 currently and have a mix 2s on its way to me. I dont know what missing features apart from headphone jack and no microsd slot there are. Mix 2s has an ir blaster like g5 has which you wont find on any other current flagship main stream device now and 8gb ram 256gb rom is more than what samsung or lg give you, 4gb of ram on s9 is terrible for a premium device. Micro sd cards are reletively slow anyway, getting 256gb mix 2s negates the need for microsd.

scote said:
LG have had quality build issues. G4 bootloop due to bad memory, G5 gps Very weak, to not working at all. I have a g5 currently and have a mix 2s on its way to me. I dont know what missing features apart from headphone jack and no microsd slot there are. Mix 2s has an ir blaster like g5 has which you wont find on any other current flagship main stream device now and 8gb ram 256gb rom is more than what samsung or lg give you, 4gb of ram on s9 is terrible for a premium device. Micro sd cards are reletively slow anyway, getting 256gb mix 2s negates the need for microsd.
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The Mix 2S has an IR blaster? I tried the Mi Remote app and it told me the phone wasn't compatible.

Homestar1217 said:
The Mix 2S has an IR blaster? I tried the Mi Remote app and it told me the phone wasn't compatible.
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Sorry it doesn't. Some sites that list specs incorrectly say it has. Obviously googling for "mix2s ir blaster" takes you to those sites, my mistake. I have my mix 2s now, I didn't when I posted that.

Xiaomi Mi problems or just rumors?

Hi XDA guys!
Everybody knows that Mi series goal is to be better than Redmi at least in specs and performance.
But how about performance to price ratio, how about all other things that You dont worry and dont expect in REDMI casue it's cheap but You do expect it in the MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in REDMI series if there is any? WHY? Cause we all know not to expect wonders for a low budget priced phones.
I've talked to many people who had/have REDMI and MI series Xiaomi phones (clients, selllers, internet folks, friends) and they only agree on ONE thing -the price is great wheter it is REMI or MI phone.
A strange thing happens.... REDMI owners are always satisfied. The only thing that bothers not all of them is the camera quality.
But in low and middle price segment REDMI beats EVERY other BRAND.
Xiaomi has also great prices in the high end flagship models but here MANY PEOPLE are dissapointed.
For example camera quality, screen quiality, body, bezel, bugs, no NFC, no european B20 LTE band.
The MI users also tell me that non of the above bothers them but something totaly different. EACH person = an original problem with MI device.
Can You please tell me what are Your problems/dislikes with MI and REDMI devices cause I'm about to buy one from each segment?
What should I worry about (Android updates maybe?) buying a REDMI and a MI phone IN YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIANCE?
Don't get me wrong. I never had a MI phone but in shops they perform GREAT so I wonder what's the fuss is about?

You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.

Bryandu13 said:
You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.
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Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....

My mi mix 2s issue is just about ghosting screen and laggy video recording, other than that is perfect.

So many issues. Mostly software which has too many bugs to list. Text selection is buggy. Text input is laggy because of full screen gestures. Often no way to switch apps during calls. MIUI is a disaster. Our Mi A2 running Android One is a significant step up.
In terms of hardware, the Mix 2s is ok. The screen is the main problem. It is not very bright outside compared to my old pixel. Also it scratches very easily. I've never had a scratch on a phone screen in over 10 years, but I already have 2 on this handset after a few weeks and I don't have a clue how as I don't keep anything else in the same pocket. It says it is gorilla glass but I don't believe it - I think it is made out of cheese

I've noticed performance drops on benchmarks too. First Antutu score was 270k, the last one i did after factory was 209k....
Phone gets hot real quick, idle cpu temperature is around 39C.
My camera lens started to peel... after a week

androidbadboy said:
Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....
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1 - Low scores for a S845 (less than 200k on AnTuTu, 3400 on 3dmark slingshot extreme, 1900-7000 on Geekbench)
2 - Xiaomi announced big buffs for camera and performances with their Android P builds.
3 - I'm just talking about scratches, because the back is ceramic and shouldn't be scrashed so easily under a case (the provided one).

That scratching is simply a way to tell Your subconcius to buy another flagship from Xiaomi cause the current one will be too scrached.
Are You sure that the long awaited Mi Mix 2s has a long list of bugs?
Xiaomi did overtime to put this phone on the market with flawless opinion.
What else I can expect from Mi Mix 2s and do You think that these bugs won't exist in the newly lanuched Mi8?
BTW It's a shame, Xiaomi was well on their way to beat even Samsung with performance to price ratio but they suddenly asked too much cash for their top phones.
If they would keep up what has been done in the low budget phones we could have a worldwide revolution resouting in ALL brands lowering their price for even flagship phones.
It was so close... We all would benefit from it. For example a Samsung S9+ instead of 1000 $ would cost 600 USD.
Xiaomi did us no favor and got all of a sudden a big time player alhought their flagships are yet far from being great.

Who cares?I am using this phone, not someone else.I like it, this is the most important thing.

1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.

Adriano-A3 said:
1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.
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2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.

I've had mine for 3 months now, and it's perfect for me, especially for the price.
No scratches, no peel lenses, and I don't notice any ghosting. In fact, my only gripe is that the MIUI notification pull down with the brightness slider needs you to touch where the slider is before you can move it. My previous phone (ZUK Z2 Pro) let you tap anywhere on the slider bar and it would move to where your finger is. So quickly upping to full brightness in sunlight on my Mix 2S is trickier as I need to see where the slider is.

Bryandu13 said:
2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.
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2 - You are right. Is Xiaomi crazy?
3 - As I told for a friend early: I didn't notice any difference while using Mix 2 and Mix 2S. I'm not on gaming. I just want a never-lag device, iykwim.
4 - I'm with my device 24 hours per day. I know where it is everytime.

I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
Fortunately some people here are developing custom ROMs and I'm on pixel experience gsi right now which works flawlessly. It's like having a Pixel for half the price. Of course there is some work left for the Devs regarding some little features like auto brightness and camera apps but I'm use a Gcam port and it's fine for me.
It's not the device IMO its the software that kills it. They have good prices but the bootloader unlocking process is really annoying and their software suite like the MiFlash tool is really crappy.
I tried flashing the Android P Beta from Xiaomi and almost bricked my phone because they just forgot to include some batch files in the original download. I was lucky because some guy here provided all the needed files and I got the device running but this must not happen to a company that wants to be a global player.
Just my 2 cents...
I use the provided case and have no scratches, lens peels whatsoever but the case start to break on the lower right corner after just 2 months and taking it off only 3 times. But it was free so I'm okay with that.

kleinholzinferno said:
I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!

guildamx said:
Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?

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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?
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I had both stock and miui , emui , etc...
I had Nokia 8 , Lg G6 , Honor 8 huawei p9 , p10 plus, xiaomi mi mix 2s , samsung s5
And i dont understand why do you say that miui has less features ... It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
It seems you dont know what you are talking about , i found that the phone with less features was nokia 8 (stock) . The only thing good was the fastest updates but i had no control about nothing

guildamx said:
Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!
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Just to clarify some things:
Before buying a product at that price range I'm thoroughly investigating the product. So I was not "totally unconscious" as you call it.
I was aware of the OS and the differences from stock android. But if you can't get your hands on a device before buying it you have to trust reviews and hands on videos. And almost all of them didn't mention the problems I encountered.
As posted before you're getting lied to or bugs and errors are just sugarcoated and no one tells the truth.
I have no problem flashing phones and always did and I'm glad there are alternatives for this piece of crap MIUI. You say it's developed for years? Maybe, but for this amount of time invested into an OS we could expect a better performance and stable ROMs without all the bugs.
Have you ever read the official MIUI forum? Besides the point whor**g there it's full of bugs and problems and none of the Xiaomi devs gives a flying f*ck about the people reporting them.
I'm happy with the pixel experience rom by now. Never going back again.
End of rant.
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DMart9406 said:
It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
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Yeah themes are the most important feature... especially when you have to set your location to India to get it to work.
You know, that's one of the things that makes me mad. It's not only about pushing as many features into a rom as possible. They should work properly to be a benefit. Not working features are a no-go.
And all of the things you mention are not MIUI specific. They try to copy all the good stuff from other manufacturers, but fail permanently.
Battery life was catastrophic with MIUI. With the Pixel Experience rom I get twice the SOT. And that's with a not device customized GSI...let that sink in.

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Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.

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Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.
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Of course my opinion is subjective...as all opinions are. I just pointed out what bothers me about the forum, the device and the software.
I've seen and used much better android ROMs and MIUI is just not for me. So I switched the rom asap.
I also used Samsung's UI on my brand new tablet with at the time some of the best hardware you could get. And guess what it lagged awfully. So I dumped the Samsung firmware, installed lineage and it's snappy and responsive. No comparison.
But everybody likes and uses or needs other features, as you mentioned and that's perfectly fine. That's the great advantage of a free system like android.
I just don't need the "features" of MIUI to me it's overloaded.
Regarding the forum you're right. It's like playing COD with a bunch of 14 year olds on steroids.

Pocofone f1, Mi8 or Mi9T (redmi k20), what should i buy?

Hi everyone! I want to buy a new phone and I'm in for these 3. I'm a moderate user, focused mostly on YouTube and Netflix, some games (arena of valor mostly), and general Web use. I want a good screen, good battery life and decent performance. Mi8 don't have a headphone jack, but have a AMOLED display. I don't know about the quality of pocophone screen, and the Mi9T screen seems to be so gorgeus. Anyway, what you can tell about this three, especially for videos and games?

Get the poco add me on aov my name is GRAZED

Mate, go to a store, look at the phones your interested in and make a decision...
Each persons view is unique and what sells me a phone may be unimportant to you... You will probably find people here are a little biased towards the Pocophone. If you go to those other phone forums you will probably get most people saying to get their phone as they will be biased there, and most people won't downtalk their product (unless it's REALLY bad) due to the fact we like to think our product/advice is best...
There is a myriad of videos on youtube extolling the virtues/problems with each phone...
In the end it comes down to you...

lets reverse the analysis
why you should not buy Mi8 (over Pocof1)
- it has similar soc
- no 3.5mm jack
- no expandable storage
- lower battery
- same big notch like pocof1
why you should not buy mi9
- where its SD855 & larger Screen to Pocoft & Mi8.... the battery is even smaller than Mi8
- No 3.5mm jack &
-no expandable storage
- the chipset has broken in to more complex setup where 2.4ghz x1 single and rest stays on lower end unless required, perhaps this way mi9 is saving batter
- poco f1 &mi8 chips set is gold/sliver plated but mi9 specs on gsmarena doesn't mention any such
now why you should buy POCO f1 in 2019..?
- other MI successors are usually missing headfone jack and expandable storage (this is v imp for me / i don't know about u )
- with a few niptuck differences on mi8 / mi9 you will pay more on these devices where Poco f1 is relatively cheaper now.
- soon 5g devices will be out THEN it makes more sense to upgrade and if you buy Mi8/mi9 .. they both are 4g devices only then you will left with no choice to force upgrade yourself! , so its better to buy Poco f1 on cheaper prices NOW so that by next 6-9 months when market is saturated with 5g devices you can easily upgrade.
another angle for pocof1
- local shops have many accessories and you will able to find covers/wallets/protectors etc (poco f1 screen protector is same as Iphone XR ) ( my poco has Iphone XR 9h strong screen protector, fits 99% accurately!
- POCO F1 is Very popular device (after Redmi Note5 / 5+ / 5pro) and XDA has so much on Pocof1 already, many rom, methods, easy to root tips! where for Mi8/mi9 you will have to wait many weeks for developers to release stable roms! ,,
i always check these things before buying any device(s)

dont buy anything from xiaomi see damn freeze thread and youll see the pain if you got corrupt xiaomi device like ****y poco

GlacialParasite said:
Hi everyone! I want to buy a new phone and I'm in for these 3. I'm a moderate user, focused mostly on YouTube and Netflix, some games (arena of valor mostly), and general Web use. I want a good screen, good battery life and decent performance. Mi8 don't have a headphone jack, but have a AMOLED display. I don't know about the quality of pocophone screen, and the Mi9T screen seems to be so gorgeus. Anyway, what you can tell about this three, especially for videos and games?
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i have used mi 9t, mi8 and poco and i can say mi 9t is the better option overall. Especially with with your use, there are no reasons to buy mi8 or poco, because arena of valor run smoothly on mi 9t and is the better option to play it thanks to the gorgeous display it has

Mi 9T Pro

djdelarosa25 said:
Mi 9T Pro
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This

There is no reason buying MI 9T if its not PRO. Poco and MI 8 actually the same but MI8 is a flagship and gives better experience using of it... but at the same time it has lower battery capacity. Im using Poco F1 for 7 months for now and thats the best phone i've ever used just because of SD845. So i definately recommend it.

I have the Pocophone F1 and I would say it is a decent phone.
I'm gonna say between Poco F1, Mi 8 and Mi 9t, there's not much difference. But i'll try to look at the best feature in them.
Mi 8? It has the Super AMOLED, corning glass 5, HDR10 screen, best screen. Great camera (+telephoto, OIS), sufficient enough. SD845 Adreno 630 on par with Poco F1.
Mi 9T? The latest device. AMOLED, corning glass 5 screen. Camera is supposed to be the best. 48MP (+telephoto, ultrawide), under display fingerprint (if you like that, idk for me). Headphone jack. USB OTG is there to compensate for the less expandable storage. 18w 4000 mAh battery.
Poco F1? SD845. Expandable storage, headphone jack, stereo speakers, USB OTG, 18w 4000mAh (QC 3.0) battery. The lowest cost among these three, or probably the same cost as Mi 9T (depends on your country, idk)
Of course there's pros and cons between them. And I saw a lot of pros in Mi 9T that actually makes me eager to get it (if only I hadn't buy Poco) Anyway choose one that fits you.

ele95 said:
dont buy anything from xiaomi see damn freeze thread and youll see the pain if you got corrupt xiaomi device like ****y poco
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my poco works perfect? might be some of your apps making device hang..
you need to explain what's installed and which rom you are using? even Miui10 which build? ( Stable (china/global) / developer (china/global) ) (rooted /nonrooted?) etc

Don't believe any positive comments about poco here. Poco is one of the ****ty device i have ever seen. It has famous touch issue that's still not solved and can't be solved through software updates. Camera is below avg. Phone hits up when its a plastic body. Durability is bad. Software updates are bad. Only battery backup is good because of it's large battery capacity.

Have my poco since it was out, am very pleased with it, no problems what so ever. Will trade it up for mi9t pro once it is released.

ultramag69 said:
Mate, go to a store, look at the phones your interested in and make a decision...
Each persons view is unique and what sells me a phone may be unimportant to you... You will probably find people here are a little biased towards the Pocophone. If you go to those other phone forums you will probably get most people saying to get their phone as they will be biased there, and most people won't downtalk their product (unless it's REALLY bad) due to the fact we like to think our product/advice is best...
There is a myriad of videos on youtube extolling the virtues/problems with each phone...
In the end it comes down to you...
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Well said. And sound advice.

Nfury00701 said:
Don't believe any positive comments about poco here. Poco is one of the ****ty device i have ever seen. It has famous touch issue that's still not solved and can't be solved through software updates. Camera is below avg. Phone hits up when its a plastic body. Durability is bad. Software updates are bad. Only battery backup is good because of it's large battery capacity.
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I am fine with my POCO so far!
Keep in MIND that POCO is NOT flagship device ! and like any other high mid range android devices it has pros and cons! but you are highlighting CONS only! ?
-POCO is highly managable and xda has many roms/mods! since i am using my Poco on HAVOC I don't have hanging problem but I had used poco on MIUI initialy and It was fine too!
- camera is OK, the highlight of this fone was never camera, infact the camera is better than many midrange Xiaomi Phones
- All phones heats up! but the good part is , on havoc , even the phone feels hot on touch! it never hangs!
- yes i have noticed touch problems BUT on Franco/Twisted loop kernels because they had been changing kernel drivers , and even on franco, the touch problem is rare and if you switch on / off screen, it fixes it self! however if I use any other kernel, it stays just fine!
I have adjusted myself to many devices because of their limitations! but poco is so far best device that i have able to customized according to my wishes

YasuHamed said:
I am fine with my POCO so far!
Keep in MIND that POCO is NOT flagship device ! and like any other high mid range android devices it has pros and cons! but you are highlighting CONS only! ?
-POCO is highly managable and xda has many roms/mods! since i am using my Poco on HAVOC I don't have hanging problem but I had used poco on MIUI initialy and It was fine too!
- camera is OK, the highlight of this fone was never camera, infact the camera is better than many midrange Xiaomi Phones
- All phones heats up! but the good part is , on havoc , even the phone feels hot on touch! it never hangs!
- yes i have noticed touch problems BUT on Franco/Twisted loop kernels because they had been changing kernel drivers , and even on franco, the touch problem is rare and if you switch on / off screen, it fixes it self! however if I use any other kernel, it stays just fine!
I have adjusted myself to many devices because of their limitations! but poco is so far best device that i have able to customized according to my wishes
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you are forgetting the main thing. we have no enough time for unlocking bootloader, flashing rom, modification etc etc. we are giving our hard money to Xiaomi not xda devs. xda devs are best in all way. we want the best in stock like OnePlus did.
all of us don't know how to flash roms and not even interested. we got poor lcd panel and they should admit that. instead of it we are being told to remove screen guard to solve touch issue. this is bulls*** man.
poco isn't flagship but not even close to flagship killer dude.

look because u watch netflix get mi9T global verison because its support widvine L1 and it will support HD playback i am useing pocophone f1 even after they add the widevine support its doesn't play hd so i think it should be on the phone from the factory to work and mi 9 also has the same support with better soc but less battery so choose between thoes 2 forget about pocophone the screen not good with video playback

Nfury00701 said:
you are forgetting the main thing. we have no enough time for unlocking bootloader, flashing rom, modification etc etc. we are giving our hard money to Xiaomi not xda devs. xda devs are best in all way. we want the best in stock like OnePlus did.
all of us don't know how to flash roms and not even interested. we got poor lcd panel and they should admit that. instead of it we are being told to remove screen guard to solve touch issue. this is bulls*** man.
poco isn't flagship but not even close to flagship killer dude.
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who are "WE" who don't have time?
-the fact you bieng on xda/replying/reading and answering makes you expert on this topic already !
-also predominantely if you don't like MIUI then POCO is not your only problem! then you should try ANdroid one devices like oneplus (oxygen is pretymuch stock android) and / or Nokias
- as i said! POCO is NOT flagship and and their lcd panel is SAME same same as Note5pro!! however i never face touch problems! of any kind!!!!!! used miui 10 on my waiting period and it was just perfect! perhaps you got a faulty device ORRRRRR Xaiomi made a Special POCO for me
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TLDR: Buy the Mi 9T, don't even wait for the Pro version. You won't miss anything on the Pro given your declared use-cases, all of those that you mentioned you can do on the 9T + more money for you because it's significantly cheaper.
Here are the things I noticed about the Mi 9T:
1. As we all know, the build and the cooling system of the Mi9T-series were spec'd to deal with SD855 high-performance SoC which is and certainly an overkill for the SD730.
2. As explained in #1, what you would get is significantly higher run-time for the performance cores + GPU on full load (max clocks) when you have a lower TDP SD730 SoC.
3. SD730 also sips power at full load and is overall having lower power consumption (then the Pro) which also converts to longer run time per single full charge.
Remember that you have a phone with passive cooling which could always be saturated especially during summer. The question is that for how long before saturation? Simple, SD730 would take longer time to saturate a cooling system designed for SD855, that's it. I always notice people getting disappointed gaming on a phone with SD845 (for example) and got mad because it could easily throttle at FULL LOAD, where is the liquid cooling? What the cooling system is doing? My answer would be: With great power comes faster passive-cooling saturation.
Forget Mi8, very small battery for gaming, lowest runtime of the 3.
Forget Poco, it's overkill for your use-cases (SoC-wise) and it's camera is dated and offers less utility as compared to the cameras of the Mi9T.
Buy the Mi9T, it's best for the price and the use-cases you have stated. I also has the overall highest battery run-time of the 3.
Oh, the Mi9T Pro? Forget it, just buy a Mi9T with the biggest storage space and call it a day.

I am using a POCO F1 since September 2018. It had its own set of problems like screen touch issues etc.
Right now you should go with Mi9T because:
1. Better Screen. Poco screen is **** literally. If you dont bother about touch issues, even then the poco's display is very average.
2. SD730 is more than enough for a 1080p screen. Although Sd845 is stronger on paper, you wont make out much difference in performance unless you are into heavy gaming.
3. Design.. Poco's design sucks literally.
4. You get better camera, same battery but more power efficient chipset leading to a longer battery life.
5. Mi9T loudspeaker is louder than poco's speaker.( Poco's secondary speaker is barely audible and just for the surround effect)
6. Mi9T will get updates longer.
Poco will have less resale value now.
Unless you are into gaming, avoid poco f1. But beware that none of these will play Netflix in HD.
However if you can wait a bit and willing to spend extra, get the pro version.will be worth it.

Does it worth it? (AMOLED, ROM Development...)

Hi,
I've been saving to get a Mi 9T pro for quite some time... and of course now it isn't available at a reasonable price, so my eyes are on a Poco F2 Pro (i live in Europe right now).
My only requirements would be:
mandatory:
- headphone jack (check)
- Super AMOLED without bloody hole (who would do that??) (can you confirm it is a super amoled screen like mi 9T pro and Mi 9 lite, not just amoled (like Mi 9T) please?) (check i guess)
slightly less important:
- stereo speakers (not checked, i live w/o it i guess! cause in that price range i can't find anything, specially with the 2 first requirements)
- microSD slot (ok i'll plug it more often then...)
and last but not least:
- good community regarding development, tweaks, custom roms and so on => will this one be checked one day ? What do you think ? I see sources are out but missing a lot of parts... are people gonna get some enthusiasm on that phone at one point ? (so, yeah, if somebody could tell me the future ^^ and the next lottery numbers while you're at it...)
So, well, maybe I'm too demanding, what do you guys think, and is there a way to be happy with stock MIUI (debloating?) to begin with ?
Sorry if all of that was already address, I take my chances asking my concern to the community before I buy anything as it is a big expense for me.
THANKS A LOT for your time and your help
Cheers !

I would suggest getting Mi9T pro/K20 Pro or better yet get One plus 7T pro. I have K30 Pro Zoom edition and K20 Pro.
To your points:
Both have headphone jack.
Both very nice screen. K30Pro/PocoF2 Pro has bigger screen. There are reports here that the poco F2 Pro may have yellow/green tint. Mine has perfect screen no issues
Stereo has K20Pro ... sort of, if u mod it otherwise no stereo for both phones
No SD Card slot for both.
Also both have USB 2.0 speed on USB C port. Speed is around 30 MB/s
I will bet poco F2 pro will not get development community as did K20 Pro.
I use on both phones Chinese MIUI with heavy debloatet script and magisk module. I have better experience this way than any other ROM (even miui eu)

Hesitating between the OnePlus Nord and the F2 Pro too, considering the F2 is vastly superior for less than 100 bucks more. If only I had some time to get back in the dev community... Some OmniROM on this things would be nice

XpLoDWilD said:
Hesitating between the OnePlus Nord and the F2 Pro too, considering the F2 is vastly superior for less than 100 bucks more. If only I had some time to get back in the dev community... Some OmniROM on this things would be nice
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OnePlus Nord seems nice, but:
slighty less processing power (still a lot)
LPDDR4X RAM vs LPDDR5 (still totally fine!!)
no cooling system
no LED (lol)
no jack
no IR (^^)
but:
maybe better screen (a bit smaller though)
probably better camera (OIS)
lighter weight (but no IP and plastic design)
so that could do it...
BUT.... has a f*** hole in the screen !
Let us know if you pick one
And may the time be with you one day to build some code
Cheers !

reliot said:
I would suggest getting Mi9T pro/K20 Pro or better yet get One plus 7T pro. I have K30 Pro Zoom edition and K20 Pro.
To your points:
Both have headphone jack.
Both very nice screen. K30Pro/PocoF2 Pro has bigger screen. There are reports here that the poco F2 Pro may have yellow/green tint. Mine has perfect screen no issues
Stereo has K20Pro ... sort of, if u mod it otherwise no stereo for both phones
No SD Card slot for both.
Also both have USB 2.0 speed on USB C port. Speed is around 30 MB/s
I will bet poco F2 pro will not get development community as did K20 Pro.
I use on both phones Chinese MIUI with heavy debloatet script and magisk module. I have better experience this way than any other ROM (even miui eu)
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How do you compare the screen of K20 Pro and F2 pro ?
Same same ?
One plus 7T pro seems nice, still expensive though, and no jack -p) but good development i guess...
Cheers !

LaMarMôt said:
OnePlus Nord seems nice, but:
slighty less processing power (still a lot)
LPDDR4X RAM vs LPDDR5 (still totally fine!!)
no cooling system
no LED (lol)
no jack
no IR (^^)
but:
maybe better screen (a bit smaller though)
probably better camera (OIS)
lighter weight (but no IP and plastic design)
so that could do it...
BUT.... has a f*** hole in the screen !
Let us know if you pick one
And may the time be with you one day to build some code
Cheers !
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What? No, the f2 has better screen. Well as long as you don't care about Refresh rate. But touch sampling is better 120 Vs 180 on the f2
Camera is better on the f2 even with ois

LaMarMôt said:
How do you compare the screen of K20 Pro and F2 pro ?
Same same ?
One plus 7T pro seems nice, still expensive though, and no jack -p) but good development i guess...
Cheers !
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I can not say for Poco F2 Pro/K30 Pro as I have the Zoom edition (different hardware) but the Zoom has slightly brighter screen than K20 Pro. I had for the short time Oneplus 7T pro. it had better color accuracy and 90 Hz
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reliot said:
I will bet poco F2 pro will not get development community as did K20 Pro.
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why? I think poco f2pro is a good cheap and balance phone.

reliot said:
I would suggest getting Mi9T pro/K20 Pro or better yet get One plus 7T pro. I have K30 Pro Zoom edition and K20 Pro.
To your points:
Both have headphone jack.
Both very nice screen. K30Pro/PocoF2 Pro has bigger screen. There are reports here that the poco F2 Pro may have yellow/green tint. Mine has perfect screen no issues
Stereo has K20Pro ... sort of, if u mod it otherwise no stereo for both phones
No SD Card slot for both.
Also both have USB 2.0 speed on USB C port. Speed is around 30 MB/s
I will bet poco F2 pro will not get development community as did K20 Pro.
I use on both phones Chinese MIUI with heavy debloatet script and magisk module. I have better experience this way than any other ROM (even miui eu)
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It will get bettter development community than K20 pro lol. Just wait for it to launch in India and you'll see official custom ROMs in just 4-5 weeks.

Suraj Pandey said:
It will get bettter development community than K20 pro lol. Just wait for it to launch in India and you'll see official custom ROMs in just 4-5 weeks.
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Do you know when the launch date would be in India ?
Cheers !

LaMarMôt said:
Do you know when the launch date would be in India ?
Cheers !
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13th August

dex2grigg said:
13th August
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Source for that release date?
Because I just read that India will not get the phone at all!

Amazing phone, but MIUI with zero custom rom development is a no-go for me.

I have the poco f2 pro and owned 2 mi9t pro before as well. The phone is not bad but not great. Have it over a month now, miui 12 was a nice improvement but I see some bugs since the update. The screen sometimes go dark and take a good few seconds to recover. Happened when using chrome or various other apps. I had to even reboot at one point because it didn't recover. I know a wipe could resolve the issue just too lazy to do it and I only see the above bug a few times.
Comparing to the mi9t pro it has much nicer features such as the harptic feedback is nicer. Camera and touch response is also better, not even mention the longer battery life. However due to the size and weight I did find the mi9t pro much more usable. I have small hand and for me does require 2 hands to operate cause I cannot reach much with one hand.
Custom rom does exist check xiaomi.eu but its very limited compare how the mi9t pro\k20 pro was. I'm not planning to mess around with roms just wanted a device which works, this doesn't really bothers me.
Is it worth it? Hmm the market is fludded with good devices, if you want a full screen display there isn't much option available, the cut out or teardrop style is more common then anything else. The answer is subjective but owning the device I may look around and chose a different one.

Since this phone will 100% sure get Android 11 , I think most logical way forward (from dev perspective) is wait for that release before doing any custom ROM. Doing it now with current release base (its buggy too) is probably waste of time.
This is not the first phone with the same situation happened before.

I own both mi9t pro 128gb and k30 pro 256gb (zoom edition) and I can certainly says it surely an upgrade especially when you do gaming often.
Im not sure about everybody else, but in my experience, mi9t pro do stutter in games from time to time which I suspect comes from thermal throttling. On the other hand, my k30 pro did not have such issue at all. Mind you, it was both on miui 12 latest stable rom.
Oh yes, plus the added benefit of getting UFS 3.1, LPDDR5, bigger battery, IR blaster, faster charging, bigger battery, latest chipset, 5G (future-proofing), and most importantly for me, the OIS on both telephoto and main camera lens enable me to take long exposure and night shot without those blurry image. 3x telephoto lens not just better in zooming but also double as macro lens with AF! I can zoom up to 30x and have a decent moon-shot, albeit not so great but still good enough. All in all, its well worth to be considered as an upgrade.
Before i forgot, yes the screen is definitely super amoled, which comes with good factory-calibration on "Standard" or "Original" mode. P3 and sRGB mode as preset are great option to have which mi9t pro really missing.

LordWurstbrot said:
Source for that release date?
Because I just read that India will not get the phone at all!
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Yup. Poco f2 pro won't launch in India. They'll launch it as K30 Pro. It is because of this Covid situation that launch has been delayed. Also Xiaomi India is trying to clear their existing stocks of K20 pro before launching K30 Pro

I am cosidering between the Google Pixel 4a (340€) vs the POCO F2 Pro (399€),
Which one do you guys think is the better choice?

wait for pixel 5 4a with 765 processor is uber trash

androideas said:
I am cosidering between the Google Pixel 4a (340€) vs the POCO F2 Pro (399€),
Which one do you guys think is the better choice?
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Now POCO F2 Pro is about 300,00€ in Italy. That is a so low price for these specs (Snapdragon 865), if there are two big lack:
1. no slot card at all and
2. no development due to the fact that the source code tree is partially hidden in order to block the development.
It seems like there's a collusion between the phone house to give a price to the possibility of development.
Actually google pixel it costs much more than the value of the money suggests for its specs.
Like "future development of the phone" must be paid by the costumers. That is my paranoia. :confuso:

Question Xiaomi Mix Fold 2 vs HONOR Magic Vs

Hey guys,
I have just ordered myself the HONOR Magic Vs (Live in the UK) so I'll be able to do some comparison between the two devices.
Just from the spec sheets, they do look quite similar with the Thinness aspect going to the Mix Fold 2 and the Battery size going to the Magic Vs...
The biggest plus of the Magic Vs is the "Global" factor. It has full Google support, and no Chinese bloatware (which is a little strange for a Huawei... aahhh sorry HONOR device )
For more specific impressions, after I receive it. Should only take a couple of days (I hope) It is a local UK delivery after all...
Another thing to consider is the price! Currently, it is "only" £1199 with the £200 discount promo code they give you when you register at the hihonor.com website. The standard price after 25.05 will be £1399 or 1599 Euro in some EU countries...
If you would like to know anything specific, just ask. I'll answer all questions when I get it.

OrionBG said:
Hey guys,
I have just ordered myself the HONOR Magic Vs (Live in the UK) so I'll be able to do some comparison between the two devices.
Just from the spec sheets, they do look quite similar with the Thinness aspect going to the Mix Fold 2 and the Battery size going to the Magic Vs...
The biggest plus of the Magic Vs is the "Global" factor. It has full Google support, and no Chinese bloatware (which is a little strange for a Huawei... aahhh sorry HONOR device )
For more specific impressions, after I receive it. Should only take a couple of days (I hope) It is a local UK delivery after all...
Another thing to consider is the price! Currently, it is "only" £1199 with the £200 discount promo code they give you when you register at the hihonor.com website. The standard price after 25.05 will be £1399 or 1599 Euro in some EU countries...
If you would like to know anything specific, just ask. I'll answer all questions when I get it.
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I thought about buying the Honor Magic Vs or Tecno Phantom V Fold. But the Honor inner screen is max 90Hz and has a camera hole. Tecno is not really known yet.
So i bought the Xiaomi Fold 2 in sale (€1000), unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. I made it more global with Magisk modules.
Before the Xiaomi Fold 2 i had the Vivo X Fold. It has great camera's, loved the two in-display fingerprint readers and mute switch. But thinks like Android Auto didn't work and Vivo doesn't want you to unlock the bootloader.
I skip the Oppo Find N2 and maybe also the Google Pixel Fold because i don't like it in size.
Still curious what you think about the Honor Magic Vs.

Since you asked it here on XDA forum, of course I will recommend Xiaomi devices over Huawei/Honor ones. I will never take a device with non-unlockable bootloader into account!

I have both.
TBH I prefer the Xiaomi. Even though the Honor magic vs has full GMS /Android auto so you dont need to root, it lacks basics like wifi calling/volte

If it didn't have the internal selfie camera, I might have been more inclined. This is one of the deciding factors for the Mix Fold 2 too. Completely un-interrupted inner screen.

m1key said:
I have both.
TBH I prefer the Xiaomi. Even though the Honor magic vs has full GMS /Android auto so you dont need to root, it lacks basics like wifi calling/volte
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And what about the camera's comparison?

m1key said:
I have both.
TBH I prefer the Xiaomi. Even though the Honor magic vs has full GMS /Android auto so you dont need to root, it lacks basics like wifi calling/volte
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Mine got delivered today so I'll check this tonight but according to other people in the Honor forums, WiFi Calling/Volte work fine...

WhySoSeriousJoKer said:
And what about the camera's?
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Cameras are 50MP Main, 6MP Telephoto with 3x optical zoom, and 50MP Wide angle. Should be able to produce quite reasonable results.

xiaomifolduser said:
If it didn't have the internal selfie camera, I might have been more inclined. This is one of the deciding factors for the Mix Fold 2 too. Completely un-interrupted inner screen.
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Yeah, the camera hole can be annoying but all other foldables I've owned had it (except the Mix Fold 2) that I'm used to it. If the software can be made to ignore it, I'll be reasonably happy...

Hey guys,
I've been playing for a while with the Magic Vs and here are some initial thoughts of mine:
1. Everything just works! Global ROM is a blessing that you can only fully appreciate after you had several years of Chinese ROMs on Devices not made for Global use. Even some apps look a little different than the versions I have in the Mix Fold 2. All google services are happily running, Android Auto is integrated into the software.
The only thing that makes me miss Root a little bit is AdAway. It still works but with Root it works better. All My banking apps work flawlessly, Fingerprint is not iffy with them (have an issue with it in the Lloyds Banking App on the Mix Fold 2)
2. Hardware and build quality wise it is quite nice. It feels as good as the Mix Fold 2. The camera hole on the internal screen is not that bad although I know some people will hate it. Battery life seems better for now but it is too early for that. I'll have to use it at least for a week to give you more accurate notes on that.
The sound is on par and maybe a little bit better sounding... Most probable because there is a little bit more space inside for better speaker chambers... Don't know... A lot nicer rind and Alarm melodies BTW
On that note, the device does not feel any thicker than the Mix Fold 2. Both screens are a couple of mm smaller but the difference is negligible...
3. No notification issues so far... The is one strange thing that all app notifications are not enabled by default but the first time you start the app, it will ask for all needed permissions like in a normal phone for the Global market.
Google Assistant is fully integrated and working. "Hey Google" works even on a locked phone.
The always-on display shows all notifications. NetFlix is fully supported with HDR10...
Basically, it shows what the Mix Fold 2 could have been if it had proper Global software.

One more interesting thing I found just now is that due to some Honor... Magic... the Gboard keyboard switches from a normal one to the split type the moment you go to the big screen... and stays like that in both portrait and landscape... Miracle

I'm doubtful to buy the Honor Magic vs. The 12GB/512GB global model now only costs €1005 at pdaplaza, but i've now got pretty much everything working on my Xiaomi Mix Fold 2. Choices.