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Why don't sense roms port well to Nexus S

Hey guys, why is there only one (with many problems) sense rom for the nexus s? what is it that makes it so hard to port?
Having come from the HTC Dream where there is always an abundace of (insert random sense phone here) sense rom ports, it seems very odd that the Nexus S doesn't have them.

Htc sense is proprietary code. The only way to port is in smali and aosp devs don't like smali. I don't mind working with it but no plans on working with it (sense).
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Another question is why isn't there any touchwiz port yet? Sgs and ns are very similar phones both made by samsung. There is a sense rom which is pretty functional, but no touchwiz? COMON!
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Maybe because stock Android is better and faster than these bloated third party UIs?

tekkitan said:
Maybe because stock Android is better and faster than these bloated third party UIs?
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Agreed most of us are on aosp to escape all that bloat if you want the latest touch wiz interface I suggest the samsung within
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asb123 said:
Hey guys, why is there only one (with many problems) sense rom for the nexus s? what is it that makes it so hard to port?
Having come from the HTC Dream where there is always an abundace of (insert random sense phone here) sense rom ports, it seems very odd that the Nexus S doesn't have them.
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Your Dream was made by HTC.
Sense is made by HTC.
The Nexus S is made by Samsung.

tekkitan said:
Maybe because stock Android is better and faster than these bloated third party UIs?
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I have heard this so many times that it turned into a pathetic cliche...
Your statement has no sense btw, it would be a ROM with root acces so system apps can easily be unninstalled. I would use touchwiz for the graphic acceleration alone, in the browser.
You can even get rid of it's launcher, you can delete absolutely everything you want and you would still have the features from touchwizz, like codec support out of the box and maybe the cool camera app. But I repeat, the browser alone would be the biggest feature.
Edit: Touchwizz is not an UI, its a ROM with extra features.

generally people that would buy a nexus dont want the propriatary UIs. thats why they bought a nexus, to avoid that extra bloat.

lvnatic said:
I have heard this so many times that it turned into a pathetic cliche...
Your statement has no sense btw, it would be a ROM with root acces so system apps can easily be unninstalled. I would use touchwiz for the graphic acceleration alone, in the browser.
You can even get rid of it's launcher, you can delete absolutely everything you want and you would still have the features from touchwizz, like codec support out of the box and maybe the cool camera app. But I repeat, the browser alone would be the biggest feature.
Edit: Touchwizz is not an UI, its a ROM with extra features.
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The hardware is different the camera alone wouldn't work for us
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dreamsforgotten said:
The hardware is different the camera alone wouldn't work for us
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The closest similar phone to the NS on the market is SGS. There is a port for HTC Sense which comes from a totally different phone, totally different CPU and GPU and touchwizz can't be ported? I really, really doubt it.

lvnatic said:
The closest similar phone to the NS on the market is SGS. There is a port for HTC Sense which comes from a totally different phone, totally different CPU and GPU and touchwizz can't be ported? I really, really doubt it.
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No once said it can't be ported, my statement was addressing the end of your previous post having the codexes and camera app. You can't because the hw is different. The camera in the sgs, is capable of 720p recording, ours is not. Just because porting touchwiz is possible I would never expect to see it I promise no dev has the interest in it. You should have went with the sgs2 a newer updated tw than on the sgs.
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The Perfect Rom (HTC One S)

Hi All:
Did you ever think how the perfect rom should be ?
a Perfect rom for me is a rom which
1- Have CM settings and options .
2- Have the Sense Image Camera App working as stock rom.
3- Heavy duty Battery serving.
4- No bugs or force close.
5- Stable with No mistakes.
What else ??
Is such a rom even exist ??!
I don't know if this wish is so hard to achieve for HTC or any other mobile band company.
for me my problem with the stock sense rom is stability and little amount of setting available for the user, App keep crashing .....
and some thing driving me crazy which it is that I can't turn vibration off when I answer a call because there is no option to do that , HTC team think that every one like this option and they forget that people think in different way and what you love must I hate it.
Come on HTC think again about what you are doing.
Samsung , Sony , HTC ....ect the only thing they care about is to distinguish from each other " I'm using Android but my Android is different than your Android" ..... Just Like Children
In the end I'd like to say that I respect Huawei so much, they offer for the user to use stock Android system and other Huawei UI in case that you don't like the stock Android, other companies should check and learn how to satisfy the customer

I would love a cm10+ Rom with sense camera.. best of both.. don't know if it can be done though.. no bugs etc is a given..
Sent a from Jellyrolled One S

Why don't you try the Viper ROM?
It has the Sense Cam (CM will probably never have it) and you can enable the CM-like quicksettings in the notification bar. It also has pretty good battery life and is also close to having no bugs.

No bugs? Yea dream on, thats never gonna happen as long as its humans who writes the code.

I switched from Viper to CM a few months ago and have been extremely happy with the product. Viper was unfortunately too slow, even when OC. CM10 is extremely smooth and fast, even without a custom kernel for OC. The camera for CM, however, is extremely disappointing. It is not nearly poor enough where I would switch ROMs, but it definitely needs considerable improvement to been anywhere near that offered by any Sense-based ROM.
My vote is for CM with good camera, too.

What about Snap Camera - haven't used it but I've heard good things about it.

Thank you for your replies guys
For me I'm using Viper One S 2.1.0
It is cool rom but .............. still there is no real CM like settings.
In the first place , why we selected an Android phones ............... there is Windows Phone 8, iOS Apple , Nokia Symbian and more....
But our choice was Android, the ability to fully control & customize the mobile.
Stock roms specially sense make alot of limitation and even also with alot of bugs and unstable performance after long process of destroying the real And pure Android !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that Google should put a condition to any mobile company want to use Android which it is offering the customers the freedom between using the Stock company rom (sense ,touch wize samsung ....ect..) or the pure Google Android.
Then we will see how many users will keep using a rom like sense

Liquidsmooth by Droyd is my favourite right now. Fastest rom I've ever used. And it looks stable so far!
Regards!

Sounds like you want a Nexus 4 instead of a One S.
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Simco80 said:
Sounds like you want a Nexus 4 instead of a One S.
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To be honest I don't trust LG and all Nexus 4 issues and I don't think that one day I will buy any thing from LG except the washing mashine :laugh:, the HTC hardware is amazing but............... software is below average.
It is a matter of open source, all what HTC should do is to provide a fix for camera app in CM and well known roms to satisfy their loyal customers

one-option said:
Thank you for your replies guys
For me I'm using Viper One S 2.1.0
It is cool rom but .............. still there is no real CM like settings.
In the first place , why we selected an Android phones ............... there is Windows Phone 8, iOS Apple , Nokia Symbian and more....
But our choice was Android, the ability to fully control & customize the mobile.
Stock roms specially sense make alot of limitation and even also with alot of bugs and unstable performance after long process of destroying the real And pure Android !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that Google should put a condition to any mobile company want to use Android which it is offering the customers the freedom between using the Stock company rom (sense ,touch wize samsung ....ect..) or the pure Google Android.
Then we will see how many users will keep using a rom like sense
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name a setting in cm that doesn't exist in viper..... besides quiet hours...
you have quick settings, you can change battery icons, you can change carrier txt, you can do MORE than what cm offers actually....
PS since sense is closed source you'll never see sense camera on AOSP it's impossible to do since every app that you see in sense is tied to the framework.
and if you don't like sense go buy a nexus phone... seriously.. sense is great and with dev's like torx he gave you more options than half the AOSP roms have.. and what limitations you're speaking of i'd really like to know, all the included sense apps have 10 times for thought and convienence set that stock aosp.. though i do agree that google should make all oems allow users to choose aosp or oem provided there's a reason they dont.. THATS WHY GOOGLE HAS THE NEXUS BRAND!!!!!
... jus sayin

"If you dont like sense buy a nexus"... What kind of bullsh*t is that?
The HOS is superior in every way except for sense - which can easily be solved with an AOSP rom...

Goatshocker said:
"If you dont like sense buy a nexus"... What kind of bullsh*t is that?
The HOS is superior in every way except for sense - which can easily be solved with an AOSP rom...
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how would you say that the HTC One S is better than the nexus 4?
keep in mind.. i build aosp roms... i like them both, i have an htc phone for the build quality and the option to have sense and aosp.. aosp is very basic.. i love sense for work and how easy it is to use.. i know the ins and outs of both os's very very well..

evol4g said:
name a setting in cm that doesn't exist in viper..... besides quiet hours...
you have quick settings, you can change battery icons, you can change carrier txt, you can do MORE than what cm offers actually....
PS since sense is closed source you'll never see sense camera on AOSP it's impossible to do since every app that you see in sense is tied to the framework.
and if you don't like sense go buy a nexus phone... seriously.. sense is great and with dev's like torx he gave you more options than half the AOSP roms have.. and what limitations you're speaking of i'd really like to know, all the included sense apps have 10 times for thought and convienence set that stock aosp.. though i do agree that google should make all oems allow users to choose aosp or oem provided there's a reason they dont.. THATS WHY GOOGLE HAS THE NEXUS BRAND!!!!!
... jus sayin
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OK I will name you a setting it is the vibrate on connect check for details in internet
I know sense camera is only available in sense based rom , and this is the reason that I still use sense...................
I don't like sense at all but I like HTC and the good hardware, I like Nexus but i don't trust LG hardware...
As I said Huawei offer AOSP beside their own UI so where is the problem ?

one-option said:
OK I will name you a setting it is the vibrate on connect check for details in internet
I know sense camera is only available in sense based rom , and this is the reason that I still use sense...................
I don't like sense at all but I like HTC and the good hardware, I like Nexus but i don't trust LG hardware...
As I said Huawei offer AOSP beside their own UI so where is the problem ?
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didn't even know that existed... but that's very minute.. you're right htc does make the best hardware, and just because one OEM allows you to choose aosp doesn't mean all will. That's the reason there's a distinction in phone brands... And if you don't like it thats what us developers are here for so we can make tons of aosp options for ya'll

Looking forward to your sense rom evol4g......

evol4g said:
how would you say that the HTC One S is better than the nexus 4?
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Form factor. The whole point of the One S for a lot of people is to have a slightly smaller phone that allows you to browse comfortably one-handed without adjusting your grip (I'm sure someone will claim they can do the same with a One X or Nexus, but come on... 4.7" is a bit much for a lot of people, let alone 5" in the Galaxy S 4).
Also, build quality in the One S might be a bit better than the Nexus 4 and certainly anything by Samsung. Would love to have an HD screen in this size but the QHD isn't bad. Anything over 250 ppi is fine for my eyes.

ChrisAG said:
Form factor. The whole point of the One S for a lot of people is to have a slightly smaller phone that allows you to browse comfortably one-handed without adjusting your grip (I'm sure someone will claim they can do the same with a One X or Nexus, but come on... 4.7" is a bit much for a lot of people, let alone 5" in the Galaxy S 4).
Also, build quality in the One S might be a bit better than the Nexus 4 and certainly anything by Samsung. Would love to have an HD screen in this size but the QHD isn't bad. Anything over 250 ppi is fine for my eyes.
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Well said....+ 1....
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Goatshocker said:
No bugs? Yea dream on, thats never gonna happen as long as its humans who writes the code.
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I'm using it for two weeks now and I got no problem with it. No bugs, fc just pure awesomeness.
Sent from my HTC One S

ChrisAG said:
Form factor. The whole point of the One S for a lot of people is to have a slightly smaller phone that allows you to browse comfortably one-handed without adjusting your grip (I'm sure someone will claim they can do the same with a One X or Nexus, but come on... 4.7" is a bit much for a lot of people, let alone 5" in the Galaxy S 4).
Also, build quality in the One S might be a bit better than the Nexus 4 and certainly anything by Samsung. Would love to have an HD screen in this size but the QHD isn't bad. Anything over 250 ppi is fine for my eyes.
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That was my thoughts when buying the phone last year. The One S looks and feels unique, and the screen size is perfect for normal phone & texting usage. I had the option to pickup the Galaxy S III for $50 more, but the Sense UI felt smoother to me - not to mention the camera app.

What is the difference?

What is the difference between Touch Wiz, Vanilla Android, & HTC Sense 5?
And what phone is better Galaxy S3, Nexus 4, or HTC Evo 4g lte? & Why is it better?(In your opinion)

dreseansr said:
What is the difference between Touch Wiz, Vanilla Android, & HTC Sense 5?
And what phone is better Galaxy S3, Nexus 4, or HTC Evo 4g lte? & Why is it better?(In your opinion)
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vanilla android is the stock Google android release, phones like nexus are released with vanilla android.
touchwiz, HTC sense in other hand, are skins. which is applied over the Vanilla android. these skins most of the time improves user experiance, and also adds extra functionality.
As I haven't used any of the above phones, I can't say which one is better.
hope this helps

lakshan_456 said:
vanilla android is the stock Google android release, phones like nexus are released with vanilla android.
touchwiz, HTC sense in other hand, are skins. which is applied over the Vanilla android. these skins most of the time improves user experiance, and also adds extra functionality.
As I haven't used any of the above phones, I can't say which one is better.
hope this helps
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hmm so that would mean that phones like the S3 have better features than N4?

dreseansr said:
hmm so that would mean that phones like the S3 have better features than N4?
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I'm not in a position to answer that question. but S3 probably do have better features.
specially when it comes to camera an other media stuff, to my knowledge, phone with manufacture modification(like S3) do perform better.

New UI

Hope the new SGS7 will have a new UI
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ariofirstson said:
Hope the new SGS7 will have a new UI
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It probably will. I reckon it will be an evolution as opposed to an evolution. That's my hope anyway

Google have been working with Samsung the last year. Hopefully the've re-written TW from the ground up. Looking forward to this one..

Seems icon will be like this

I hope galaxy S7 UI is faster and smoother then Nexus 6P.

NOTE 5 Touchwiz is much better than Plain and boring stock android.i seriously dont know whats wrong with people how the hell they prefer terrible looking featureless stock android over touchwiz.

i dont think it will be changing to a better one , since samsung is doing the same thing over and over again.

Usama707 said:
NOTE 5 Touchwiz is much better than Plain and boring stock android.i seriously dont know whats wrong with people how the hell they prefer terrible looking featureless stock android over touchwiz.
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Probably because TW has been literally the same for the past 8 years.

BlackMesa123 said:
Seems icon will be like this
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If these are the real icons i like these.

I just hope they don't keep the white background as seen on the marshmallow's beta builds on the s6.

do you guys think this phone will be better than the Nexus 6P?

XavierAD said:
do you guys think this phone will be better than the Nexus 6P?
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I guess it will be because of the collab rumors with google to smoothen the ui. This galaxy seems as if it is a polished s6.

Leonardohernandez98 said:
I guess it will be because of the collab rumors with google to smoothen the ui. This galaxy seems as if it is a polished s6.
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Would that make it easier to Developers to root?

XavierAD said:
Would that make it easier to Developers to root?
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I don't think so. I guess it will be the same

CyberStormZA said:
It probably will. I reckon it will be an evolution as opposed to an evolution. That's my hope anyway
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Touchwiz will be the same polished turd it has always been.

Beetle84 said:
Touchwiz will be the same polished turd it has always been.
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It's a trade-off. Definitely not as smooth as stock android, but the features blow stock away.
Plus, with custom, Touchwiz-based ROMs and kernels you get the smoothness back. I don't hate it.

Usama707 said:
NOTE 5 Touchwiz is much better than Plain and boring stock android.i seriously dont know whats wrong with people how the hell they prefer terrible looking featureless stock android over touchwiz.
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Coming from someone who had a note 5 and now a 6P, I can tell you that you are way wrong. Sounds like you haven't used a stock Android phone since KitKat.

geoff5093 said:
Coming from someone who had a note 5 and now a 6P, I can tell you that you are way wrong. Sounds like you haven't used a stock Android phone since KitKat.
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I mean he can't really be wrong, it's just his opinion.
Whether or not that opinion is based on recent AOSP roms is another story though...

Akw6190 said:
I mean he can't really be wrong, it's just his opinion.
Whether or not that opinion is based on recent AOSP roms is another story though...
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He said "Touchwiz is much better than Plain and boring stock android", making it sound like he was stating a fact. Normally I would have glossed over this as I knew what he meant, but then he said "i seriously dont know whats wrong with people how the hell they prefer terrible looking featureless stock android over touchwiz"

mwatson said:
Google have been working with Samsung the last year. Hopefully the've re-written TW from the ground up. Looking forward to this one..
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Makes no business sense. I heard that rumor many times without any actual proof. While I keep thinking about it. what incentives google has for helping Samsung? None!
It's not like Samsung has problems to sell phones, or Google will lose money if it doesn't help Samsung. For example, all nexus phone suffer from bad battery life. I have used 2 nexus, both were terrible batterylife. If GGogle was so good, they should first improve their own software implementation before helping others, right?

[Future Request] Port Samsung One UI to Pocophone F1

I know it is strange but they released One UI beta on Samsung S8, S8+, S9 and S9+. I hope when it is released on stable, someone would port it on Pocophone.
https://www.xda-developers.com/install-one-ui-beta-samsung-galaxy-s9-galaxy-s9-plus/
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s8-one-ui-beta-android-pie/

Samsung is well-know for their closed-source and poor hardware-optimized ROMs, i thinks you should try OOS port and any AOSP, if you like cartoon look ui like samsung,why not stick with miui?

thanhnvt194 said:
Samsung is well-know for their closed-source and poor hardware-optimized ROMs, i thinks you should try OOS port and any AOSP, if you like cartoon look ui like samsung,why not stick with miui?
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OneUI is quite good buddy, unlike their previous OS

Samsung's UI is really poorly optimized....and is closed source

thanhnvt194 said:
Samsung is well-know for their closed-source and poor hardware-optimized ROMs, i thinks you should try OOS port and any AOSP, if you like cartoon look ui like samsung,why not stick with miui?
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Aybouzaglou said:
Samsung's UI is really poorly optimized....and is closed source
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Do u guys actually used the ONE UI? Samsung's software was way too bloated in TOUCHWIZ days, now a days it got a lot better and in few ways feature rich(comparing to stock or AOSP with bare mimimum features for a phone).
Source: I own a POCO now, but also borrow friend's S9 occasionally.

OneUI is heaps beyond touchwiz or samsung experience ui. I have the s8 plus with the 3rd beta of One UI and it feels and looks great. I like how reachable the items are with just a hand.

scorpienez said:
Do u guys actually used the ONE UI? Samsung's software was way too bloated in TOUCHWIZ days, now a days it got a lot better and in few ways feature rich(comparing to stock or AOSP with bare mimimum features for a phone).
Source: I own a POCO now, but also borrow friend's S9 occasionally.
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Porting is different from being phone's native OS. You gotta read more about custom development.
Or just buy a Samsung device.

I'm also interested in this.

pepo930 said:
I'm also interested in this.
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Great, and what are you doing to make it possible?

pepo930 said:
I'm also interested in this.
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Me too. Eagerly waiting for someone to port oneui to poco

I personnaly am waiting for a mi 8 port of the one ui rom but idk if someone will do it. :/