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Can't seem to find this info. Is there a list anywhere? I assume, the Sony video and album apps work in 4k. YouTube and Amazon Prime too. After that I'm not sure. Vlc? Netflix?
Thanks in advance.
Netflix is a no, not supported yet! vlc should work fine. And 4k pron is epic lol
daveyp187 said:
Netflix is a no, not supported yet! vlc should work fine. And 4k pron is epic lol
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Don't spread misinformation. Netflix released HDR support some days ago for our phone.
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Don't spread misinformation. Netflix released HDR support some days ago for our phone.
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Sorry my bad. I got the app a few weeks ago and didn't see the update. I also left them bad feedback lol. I'm going to check out Netflix now thanks
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Don't spread misinformation. Netflix released HDR support some days ago for our phone.
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He wasn't spreading mis information. HDR and 4k are not the same thing. Can't find it said anywhere that they support 4k yet.
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He wasn't spreading mis information. HDR and 4k are not the same thing. Can't find it said anywhere that they support 4k yet.
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My bad. I understood wrong , so sorry for the unfair accusation . Yeah we still don't know if Netflix streams their content on 4K along with the HDR.
EDIT: Does anyone happen to have a premium Netflix subscription so we can know if our phone supports 4K along with the HDR (if it's possible to see the resolution somehow).
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Does anyone happen to have a premium Netflix subscription so we can know if our phone supports 4K along with the HDR (if it's possible to see the resolution somehow).
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As far as I can tell, it does not. Just HDR at the moment.
I have premium subscription. I only see a box for HDR on the movies that have it and movies without HDR have only HD box so that's all.
Netflix uhd
Last I spoke to netflix support the guy checked and said they're updating the code in the app to make Uhd 4k compatible on our xzp. Can't wait as already hdr looks at amazing.
The Amazon Prime video doesn't show either if a video is 4K HDR or not. How can we know it?
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Katsigaros said:
The Amazon Prime video doesn't show either if a video is 4K HDR or not. How can we know it?
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they have [Ultra HD] in the title, from what I see. it will also say "Ultra HD" at the bottom after a bit of streaming.
doesn't seem to specify HDR or not when playing, but the Ultra HD shows are in the HDR channel.
other apps seems to show "HDR" in front of the current resolution, though.
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of course that does pose an interesting question, if you cant tell if your watching 4k HDR then whats the point other than decimating your battery .
Personally I can tell HDR a mile off, on the other hand 4k MOVING content on such a small screen is a lot harder to see than you might think. on such a small screen I suspect the vast majority of people will never notice if its a 1080 or 2160 image they are watching but the HDR will be clear as day.
HDR on a 50in 4k TV looks absolutely stunning, but generally speaking, on a small screen the biggest benefit most people will be able to notice unless they are sitting an inch from the screen is the HDR, that is the most noticeable element to the 4K package and you can get that with a 1080p video so....
(Cue die hard fans declaring otherwise)
just saying, don't be expecting a monumental improvement on Netflix or Amazon when they go 4K, if you are already getting HDR then you are 95% of the way to a great picture.
4K HDR on a massive TV on the other hand is unbelievably beautiful the best way to describe it is that its like looking out of a window, the biggest part of that is HDR but on such a large display the detail is incredible, without pressing your nose up against the screen
I disagree. The difference in sharpening and details is noticeable in 4K, especially in high contrast and action scenes, even if you are watching the video 30 cm away from the screen. But 1080p is still good if you watch certain videos or when want to save the battery.
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I disagree. The difference in sharpening and details is noticeable in 4K, especially in high contrast and action scenes, even if you are watching the video 30 cm away from the screen. But 1080p is still good if you watch certain videos or when want to save the battery.
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except to say that's all in your head. you want it to be true so it is. That's not a dig at you or anything, that's just the way our minds are wired.
on static images you can just about tell on such a small display sitting at a normal distance away of around 20-30 cm, but on a moving image on a screen that small, you physically cant see a difference, its biologically impossible unless you have what would normally be bad eye sight
Its been shown time after time in double blind tests that when two high bit rate images are displayed on the same small size screen and at the same distance but one being 4k and the other being 1080p, there are as many people who think the 1080p looks "better" as there are the 4k.
its subjective. throw in a moving picture which may deliberately contain noise and its virtually impossible to tell UNLESS, you get close enough.
I'm sitting in front of two screen just now, one is a 4k monitor, the other is the 1080p panel in this laptop. I have the same image on both (a 4K image) and they look identical unless you get close enough to see it.
Our eyes are pretty cleaver things in fact they are one of the most amazing examples of evolution in our whole body but seeing detail isn't their strongest point, what they are very good at doing is helping to make your brain think it sees what it wants to see. In short, they are an analogy tool which has physical limitations neither you nor I has any control over.
Its cool if you don't want o believe that, as I said, our minds are designed to make you believe whatever you want but that is the truth, unless you have normally very bad eyesight or your nose is up against the screen, you wont notice the difference.
HDR on the other hand which isn't typically played with 1080p content makes the situation very different. As does having 60+ Hz displays. OLEDs make a huge difference as does how the RGB components are arranged.
Normal folk don't sit with their eyes glued to the screen but if you don't do that, you wont see the physical pixels. Its all good if you think you see more, and perhaps you do have dodgy eye sight that allows you to see more, but the average is 20/20 and most folk wont actually see anything different.... at a normal distance away
as I said though, the HDR is truly amazing, I cant stress that enough.
BTW, I do have the XZp and I have a huge 4K Samsung TV. Absolutely love the large display, you wouldn't be able to pry it out of my cold dead hands
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except to say that's all in your head. you want it to be true so it is. That's not a dig at you or anything, that's just the way our minds are wired.
on static images you can just about tell on such a small display sitting at a normal distance away of around 20-30 cm, but on a moving image on a screen that small, you physically cant see a difference, its biologically impossible unless you have what would normally be bad eye sight
Its been shown time after time in double blind tests that when two high bit rate images are displayed on the same small size screen and at the same distance but one being 4k and the other being 1080p, there are as many people who think the 1080p looks "better" as there are the 4k.
its subjective. throw in a moving picture which may deliberately contain noise and its virtually impossible to tell UNLESS, you get close enough.
I'm sitting in front of two screen just now, one is a 4k monitor, the other is the 1080p panel in this laptop. I have the same image on both (a 4K image) and they look identical unless you get close enough to see it.
Our eyes are pretty cleaver things in fact they are one of the most amazing examples of evolution in our whole body but seeing detail isn't their strongest point, what they are very good at doing is helping to make your brain think it sees what it wants to see. In short, they are an analogy tool which has physical limitations neither you nor I has any control over.
Its cool if you don't want o believe that, as I said, our minds are designed to make you believe whatever you want but that is the truth, unless you have normally very bad eyesight or your nose is up against the screen, you wont notice the difference.
HDR on the other hand which isn't typically played with 1080p content makes the situation very different. As does having 60+ Hz displays. OLEDs make a huge difference as does how the RGB components are arranged.
Normal folk don't sit with their eyes glued to the screen but if you don't do that, you wont see the physical pixels. Its all good if you think you see more, and perhaps you do have dodgy eye sight that allows you to see more, but the average is 20/20 and most folk wont actually see anything different.... at a normal distance away
as I said though, the HDR is truly amazing, I cant stress that enough.
BTW, I do have the XZp and I have a huge 4K Samsung TV. Absolutely love the large display, you wouldn't be able to pry it out of my cold dead hands
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Did you finish your diagnosis? So according to you people who notice the difference between 4K vs 1080p on a smartphone have a bad eyesight, while the others don't. Alright... [emoji16]
You can't understand that it is better to display a 4K video file on its native resolution screen, than squeezing it on a lower resolution screen. Sure the size of the screen matters but this doesn't mean that in a smaller screen it isn't noticeable.
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Did you finish your diagnosis? So according to you people who notice the difference between 4K vs 1080p on a smartphone have a bad eyesight, while the others don't. Alright... [emoji16]
You can't understand that it is better to display a 4K video file on its native resolution screen, than squeezing it on a lower resolution screen. Sure the size of the screen matters but this doesn't mean that in a smaller screen it isn't noticeable.
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yes, that's exactly it, but you will notice I said that it would be bad in everyday life. ie you don't have 20/20 vision.
If I render a 2160 image and display it on my 4K panel then render a 1080 image and display it on my 10800 panel then view it from a normal distance, you cant tell the difference unless you get up close.
ok, I can see this is slipping away from you so ill try change of tact.
If you sit in front of your 1080 screen and look at your desktop at arms length can you see the individual pixels? nope, I sure as hell cant, not unless I have major eye sight issues that magnifies everything, So what makes you think you can see 2160 image pixels? you cant. which means any detail within those pixels that you cant physically see, is lost. It doesn't mean you cant see the image, only that you can only see a grouping of pixels.
Or perhaps another way to look at it. if you lie on a beach, you might be able to see the individual sand grains by your head. but I bet you cant see the individual grains of sand by your feet. You can still see the sand, you just cant physically see the grain.. Its the same with phone screens only significantly more challenging because a grain of sand is typically between 0.1mm and 2mm.
on the 4k display on a phone that has a screen size of 5.5in, that works out that each individual pixel is just 0.03mm wide
that makes a 1080p pixel 0.06mm wide.
now tell me, if you had two pixels that size sitting right next to each other in front of you by about 30cm, are you honestly telling me that you could clearly see both separate pixels? nope. you wont and that is on a static image, never mind a moving one with Noise and compression artefacts in it.
That is the physical limitation of your eyes, your brain then does the rest and if your adamant its better, you will always see it being better. But I bet if I did a blind test on you, the results would be interesting for you to read
its cool tho, as I said, if you believe its better than that is all that matters, you are the person watching it, I just wouldn't want people on here expecting big things and being disappointed if it doesn't live up to expectations.
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yes, that's exactly it, but you will notice I said that it would be bad in everyday life. ie you don't have 20/20 vision.
If I render a 2160 image and display it on my 4K panel then render a 1080 image and display it on my 10800 panel then view it from a normal distance, you cant tell the difference unless you get up close.
ok, I can see this is slipping away from you so ill try change of tact.
If you sit in front of your 1080 screen and look at your desktop at arms length can you see the individual pixels? nope, I sure as hell cant, not unless I have major eye sight issues that magnifies everything, So what makes you think you can see 2160 image pixels? you cant. which means any detail within those pixels that you cant physically see, is lost. It doesn't mean you cant see the image, only that you can only see a grouping of pixels.
Or perhaps another way to look at it. if you lie on a beach, you might be able to see the individual sand grains by your head. but I bet you cant see the individual grains of sand by your feet. You can still see the sand, you just cant physically see the grain.. Its the same with phone screens only significantly more challenging because a grain of sand is typically between 0.1mm and 2mm.
on the 4k display on a phone that has a screen size of 5.5in, that works out that each individual pixel is just 0.03mm wide
that makes a 1080p pixel 0.06mm wide.
now tell me, if you had two pixels that size sitting right next to each other in front of you by about 30cm, are you honestly telling me that you could clearly see both separate pixels? nope. you wont and that is on a static image, never mind a moving one with Noise and compression artefacts in it.
That is the physical limitation of your eyes, your brain then does the rest and if your adamant its better, you will always see it being better. But I bet if I did a blind test on you, the results would be interesting for you to read
its cool tho, as I said, if you believe its better than that is all that matters, you are the person watching it, I just wouldn't want people on here expecting big things and being disappointed if it doesn't live up to expectations.
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Look doctor what you said is true for printed images but not for the motion picture videos. Or when you use high res images and you zoom at them. If you have any eponymous scientific research that proves your theory then post it here or i will never take your opinion into consideration.
But even then do you believe that the film industry should going backwards and shoot at 1080p in order to satisfy the majority of smartphone manufactures?
Do you thing that it is convenient for any person to convert their 4K videos to 1080p in order to use them on their smartphones?
Also what type of resolution should they choose the smartphone users with QHD screens?
Do you thing that the downsampling code out of the 4K resolution, that Youtube and other online streaming services use is good enough to be presented on a 1080p screen?
If other smartphone manufacturers in the future adopt the 4K resolution and see you praise them for that, then i will put everything you said in your face. But to see you underestimating this excellent piece of hardware in order to justify others inability to compete, this doesn't make the others look better by any means.
in terms of pixel size, it doesn't matter if its printed media or video, in fact motion picture makes the difference between 1080 and 2160 even less relevant on a small screen because you cant focus on a single area for any length of time. But you didn't answer my questions, if you sit at a computer screen at 30CM distance, can you optically distinguish one pixel from another without magnification aids? this was your test and I'm throwing you a bone because on a computer monitor the PPI is significantly lower than on your mobile device!
4K on small screen, anything less that 50in for the most part, is the worlds latest lie in order to get you to buy something new that is the untenable true in it, when 3D failed miserably this was the latest thing as it happens they also released HDR which is a monumental improvement which makes the display look amazing.
at a typical distance from a tv set, if you have a screen of less than 50 in you will need to sit within 3 feet or there about to actually, physically, see the difference, ALL other perceptions are just your mind making stuff up to make you feel better.
This is also why when you go shopping for TV sets they get you as close to the screen as humanly possible, because it looks fantastic, but in reality ya don't sit that close.
same is true of any display, you just need to scale it down.
There are numerous other considerations to consider when talking about image quality, bitrate ( compression artefacts), compression algorithm, FPS, Display refresh rate and yes of course Resolution, but resolution can only help if it fits within the physical limitations of our eyes.
As to why the movie industry files in 4k or higher, well, there is a very good reason for that and that is because its typically shown on a 70 FOOT screen, a screen that is typically meters away from you.
however don't take my word for it, this chap has summed up what is actually pretty complex in a nice easy to understand manor.
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/
read that, its a little dated but then our ability to see hasn't suddenly improved. the important part to read and understand the 0.4 arc minutes which gives us a theoretical maximum discernible resolution of just over 4k but ONLY if its so close to your eyes you can barely focus on it!
BUT is saying all that, as I said before, if you believe its better then that is all that really matters but I just strongly advise people looking to buy the phone not to expect mind blowing images because in reality, it physically cant do it.... unless its on the end of your nose.
This article scientifically proves that the legally accepted norm of 20/20 vision only asks for 876 ppi/dpi at 4 inches (10 cm).
At 1 foot (12 inches = 30cm), is about 720 ppi/dpi.
Only at 2.5 feet (76,2 cm) is about 300 ppi/dpi.
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/
So the required pixel density for smartphones is between 720 and 876 ppi/dpi because you hold them 10-30 cm away from your eyes.
The 300 ppi/dpi pixel desity applies only for computer monitors because you are siting at least 60-70 cm away from them.
The myth Steve Jobs created about "magic number right around 300 pixels per inch" for smartphones is officially debunked!
I don't seem to have much luck getting UHD content to play any higher than 1080p on the Amazon app. The only thing that has ever played in 4K was an episode of The Grand Tour.
According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
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According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera
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If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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Yes is seems very strange - it will be interesting to read more about this
lawtq said:
If that's true why is their 4k recording so shaky?
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Hardware is useless, if the software haven't being configured to use it.
I hope huawei add the stabilisation to 4K mode soon
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Hardware is useless, if the software haven't being configured to use it.
I hope huawei add the stabilisation to 4K mode soon
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Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh
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Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh
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Well it's not really old, end of 2017. It's definitely powerful enough. Just not as powerful as Qualcoms latest on paper and in benchmarks. That's to be expected though. Even much older less powerful chips can handle 4k with ois.
There is nothing on android that can even push the SoC's from 3 years ago. The hardware is just way ahead of the software. It's all a race to get the best looking specs on paper now, regardless of whether it's actually needed or not.
In my own testing the P20 Pro is just as quick in pretty much anything other than benchmarks, which in real life usage mean nothing. Its all about the user experience. There isn't a game to push the latest hardware and won't be even towards the end of life of all these new gen devices.
Not sure why they didn't include it. The hardware is more than capable.
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Well it's not really old, end of 2017. It's definitely powerful enough. Just not as powerful as Qualcoms latest on paper and in benchmarks. That's to be expected though. Even much older less powerful chips can handle 4k with ois.
There is nothing on android that can even push the SoC's from 3 years ago. The hardware is just way ahead of the software. It's all a race to get the best looking specs on paper now, regardless of whether it's actually needed or not.
In my own testing the P20 Pro is just as quick in pretty much anything other than benchmarks, which in real life usage mean nothing. Its all about the user experience. There isn't a game to push the latest hardware and won't be even towards the end of life of all these new gen devices.
Not sure why they didn't include it. The hardware is more than capable.
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Good points! I hope you're right. 1080p ain't enough anymore
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According to this article all the rear cameras has ois and not just one as Huawei informed us about. Are they trying to make their AI software looking better than it actually is? All other phone makers would have bragged about ois on all three cameras
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-optical-image-stabilization-triple-camera
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I really hope that they add the stabilisation to 4k videos because now is terrible... And videos shot in full HD look very poor quality...
If hardware is on board I don't want to be cheated by Huawei
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Why do you think they haven't already? Cause the 970 isn't capable. Hopefully they do though. This phone would be exciting if it wasn't for the old chipset! Sigh
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This is simply not true. 970 is almost as capable as 2017 exynos and snapdragon.
But honestly. I've been living around thousand people everyday, and i find, there's less than hundred of them would record video on daily basis,
And when they did, they either do it in 1080 or 720.
Why ? Because most of it would end in social media. And uploading something as huge as 4K simply wont do for most people,
Not to mention most of phone out there which used to watch the video later on are mostly still on full HD resolution as well.
I understand the argument from people who said they shoot it to be watch on their 4K TV. But they are not majority in the community.
Heck, i even can count with my finger, how many times i have recorded a video using my mobile phone from january last year up to today. LoL. Am simply a "still image" guy
Thats why,
As bad as missing 4K stabilisation in spec sheet, it wont have that as huge impact in daily life user.
But, surely thats bad for marketing communication. And reviewer will use it again and again as a weak point.
I shoot videos occasionally but only in 1080p regardless of which phone or camera I use.
It's just amateur video for my personal view not for commercial so no point to waste space.
Regarding there being nothing that even taxes older SoCs to their limits - anyone who does emulator gaming can tell you there certainly are use case scenarios that do. My Mate 10 handles a lot of emulation well enough, but the likes of Dolphin are better on better performing SoCs nevertheless (this is not all down to raw power though, how well drivers are implemented also makes a difference, however most mobile drivers are rubbish across the board, so the brute force of higher chip speeds is welcomed here).
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And when they did, they either do it in 1080 or 720.
Why ? Because most of it would end in social media. And uploading something as huge as 4K simply wont do for most people,
Not to mention most of phone out there which used to watch the video later on are mostly still on full HD resolution as well.
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Exactly this, most video is used for social media now, where it gets compressed to helll and viewed on tiny screens. There is no real need to push for 4K recording and those that really want it will probably buy dedicated recorders or a gimbal.
Btw the super slo-mo on this is good! Saw Diversity at the weekend, apologises for the shake at the start, daughter was bouncing up and down lol
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@DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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@DaveP2611 quick question about the slow-mo, how do you actually setup the device for slow mo recording?
Is is similar to older Samsung devices where you record a video using the slow mo function and then select which part of the video to slow down and by what ammount?
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It's an option within the camera, under More, you then have a Slow-Mo option, under x4/x8 there doesn't seem to be any recording length limit, the x32 seems to be a snapshot of ten seconds and picks when it slows down itself as seen in the clip I posted.
Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!
Shame you can't pick out the section of the video you want to slow down at x32. It's one of the things I think my note 4 did well despite only having x8 slowmo capture.
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Awesome, thanks for the quick reply!
Shame you can't pick out the section of the video you want to slow down at x32. It's one of the things I think my note 4 did well despite only having x8 slowmo capture.
I really think that all the stabilization in pictures is done via OIS and they just claim it’s the magic of AI just to use that as a differential marketing advantage.Maybe AI is not so smart / cutting edge...
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I really think that all the stabilization in pictures is done via OIS and they just claim it’s the magic of AI just to use that as a differential marketing advantage.Maybe AI is not so smart / cutting edge...
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Thats not really the case as well, since by using it to shoot, i can definitely tell that sometimes, there simply no OIS. OIS movement will always seen in preview prior to shoot. You can see it move the picture to the opposite direction of your hand movement. And when there's no feedback/counter movement, you can tell that no OIS in action.
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Well, and an AI isn't an AI if it isn't intelligent.
That's marketing for you.
They simply named their Auto-Mode to AI-Powered because they managed to implement a few "new" things that don't work properly for what it was intended for (shooting good pictures from the hip).
I mean it's not like there were things like Dual Pixel AF and Laser AF were invented for no reason ... and they work most of the time (for what they were made for) unless the manufacturer ****s really up.
Now I can die happly. Especially knowing that they haven't even enabled OIS for the photos AND video.
I would have never guessed some manufacturer to **** up so badly ... let's see if they will ever "fix" or even "admit" it.
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It's more amazing you would jump to conclusion so easily.
https://www.anandtech.com/comments/12633/cadence-announces-tensilica-vision-q6-dsp/596655
Look in the comments section. Wait for the full review if you want to know all the technical details.
All that that tear-down showed is that the modules have an auto-focus mechanism. Just because the lens wobbles doesn't mean it's OIS.
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Just go to the shop and try it out and make up your own minds instead of following what people complain nonstop on the internet. The echo chamber is ridiculous. The 1080p video stabilization for example is amazing trying it in person, the most likely reason they aren't doing it on 4k is that the hardware is not capable of doing it.
I'm not sure the kirin 970's isp is powerful enough, or have the bandwidth, to stabilize 4k. I imagine it would be there if it was possible.
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Snapdragon 845-855 have supported hdr recording, so I wonder if this feature can at least be enabled on phones with very capable hardware..
Hdr is enabled by default in the camera app. It can be turned off however.
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Hdr is enabled by default in the camera app. It can be turned off however.
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No. He meand HDR10 for videos... not pictures with HDR
Hdr10 is not very relevant right now. Future proof in a nutshell. The one plus already records in HDR, though I'm not sure which one in particular. The oneplus 7 pro is only officially certified to VIEW hdr10 content. I saw nothing about the phone being capable of producing it.
I haven't figure out to activate the HDR to watch videos
Does anybody knows how to do it?
@jetfire245 I'm not sure what you're talking about with future-proof. Maybe you're thinking of HDR10+ which only Samsung, and some international Phillips, TVs have? HDR10 has been around for at least 5 years.
On paper Realme 5 Pro has a great hardware profile, but in reality its camera app is super lame and pretty much useless.
1. First of all, the stock camera app does not allow us to shoot in the most popular 16:9 ratio. Even the so called "Expert mode" is stuck at 4:3 and there is no way to expertly change this. Are you kidding me??? What kind of an expert would shoot in 4:3 anyway??
2. Second, the camera app does not offer much of a choice between different resolutions. We are stuck with only three options - 48MP, 12MP and the super small (and thus completely useless) 2MP macro. And that's all, folks... Even my old 2014 phone offers a plethora of resolutions to choose from. Not Realme 5 Pro, though.
3. Third, the camera app does not offer electronic image stabilization (EIS) for 4K video. Again, it is almost year 2020 and 4K is THE standard these days. Not offering image stabilization for 4K is like not offering 4K at all. I know that the hardware allows it, so sit on your butts and release an update that offers EIS for 4K video!
4. Last, but not least - there are no Gcam or Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work without problems on Realme 5 Pro. So not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
So far Realme 5 Pro's camera app has been an enormous disappointment!
I really hope that the people form the software department of Realme would read this and would offer the necessary updates, so people would finally be able to make use of this phone's cameras. Owners should start sending them messages about all these issues.
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You can change to 16:9 in settings.
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You can change to 16:9 in settings.
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No, you cannot change to 16:9 in the settings.
You only have three options to choose from:
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- 1:1
- Full screen (which is something like 19.5:9)
See the attached image below.
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On paper Realme 5 Pro has a great hardware profile, but in reality its camera app is super lame and pretty much useless.
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I think realme 5 pro, with gcam, is one the best camera you can have at its price range. Actually, forget about comparing it with the similarly priced phones. So go ahead, borrow your friend's galaxy s9 or s10 as I did, compare the result side by side on large pc monitor and tell me your finding.
1. First of all, the stock camera app does not allow us to shoot in the most popular 16:9 ratio. Even the so called "Expert mode" is stuck at 4:3 and there is no way to expertly change this. Are you kidding me??? What kind of an expert would shoot in 4:3 anyway??
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Almost all image sensor chip in modern smartphone like Sony IMX586 in realme 5 pro is 4:3 ratio. So is the sensor in mirrorless MFT camera. So 4:3 image will give you native and full resolution. Any other ratio like 16:9 is cropped out from 4:3 image, that means less area covered vertically and thus less mega pixel. You can always crop to 16:9 format in software.
2. Second, the camera app does not offer much of a choice between different resolutions. We are stuck with only three options - 48MP, 12MP and the super small (and thus completely useless) 2MP macro. And that's all, folks... Even my old 2014 phone offers a plethora of resolutions to choose from. Not Realme 5 Pro, though.
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Again, do a little research and you'll see much more expensive phones are 12 MP. Why would you want other resolution like 8 / 6 / 4 MP? To save space? Or higher than 12 MP like 16 or 24 MP for example? Why do you think the most expensive phones in the market capped at 12 MP? Hint: higher MP does not mean better picture.
3. Third, the camera app does not offer electronic image stabilization (EIS) for 4K video. Again, it is almost year 2020 and 4K is THE standard these days. Not offering image stabilization for 4K is like not offering 4K at all. I know that the hardware allows it, so sit on your butts and release an update that offers EIS for 4K video!
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Which other phones in the price range of realme 5 pro that do EIS in 4K? A little suggestion, get a gimbal like DJI Osmo mobile 3 that cost a little over USD 100 and get much better result.
4. Last, but not least - there are no Gcam or Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work without problems on Realme 5 Pro. So not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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My gcam works fine here for photos. For video I use stock camera because it has EIS. If you mean the slow motion feature of gcam, look around and you'll see that feature doesn't work in other phones as well.
So far Realme 5 Pro's camera app has been an enormous disappointment!
I really hope that the people form the software department of Realme would read this and would offer the necessary updates, so people would finally be able to make use of this phone's cameras. Owners should start sending them messages about all these issues.
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You would have better luck doing that in realme official forum than here at xda.
Thank you for your reply, Gnusvol.
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I think realme 5 pro, with gcam, is one the best camera you can have at its price range.
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I totally disagree and you will find out why below.
Gnusvol said:
Actually, forget about comparing it with the similarly priced phones. So go ahead, borrow your friend's galaxy s9 or s10 as I did, compare the result side by side on large pc monitor and tell me your finding.
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My finding is TONS of very coarse noise in the shadows, mushy definition and blurred lines. This is what my finding is.
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Almost all image sensor chip in modern smartphone like Sony IMX586 in realme 5 pro is 4:3 ratio. So is the sensor in mirrorless MFT camera. So 4:3 image will give you native and full resolution. Any other ratio like 16:9 is cropped out from 4:3 image, that means less area covered vertically and thus less mega pixel. You can always crop to 16:9 format in software.
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I need in-camera 16:9, so I can do my frame compositing in the viewfinder, while I am shooting. I can't be bothered to crop 4:3 down to 16:9 in post production (which can lead to all sorts of trouble, like having to chop a subject's limb off). You need to know what the final result would be from the get go.
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Again, do a little research and you'll see much more expensive phones are 12 MP. Why would you want other resolution like 8 / 6 / 4 MP? To save space? Or higher than 12 MP like 16 or 24 MP for example? Why do you think the most expensive phones in the market capped at 12 MP? Hint: higher MP does not mean better picture.
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I know that higher Megapixels do not always equate to better quality picture. However, I shoot hundreds of photos daily and I need the smaller MP sizes to save memory and also to have faster speeds in post-processing (smaller photos load and render faster in PhotShop and LightRoom than 48MP or even 12MP photos). Having the option to choose from several file sizes is just good for general flexibility - and flexibility is a thing that is always nice to have.
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Which other phones in the price range of realme 5 pro that do EIS in 4K? A little suggestion, get a gimbal like DJI Osmo mobile 3 that cost a little over USD 100 and get much better result.
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I don't know which other phones do have EIS in 4K, I am a Realme 5 Pro owner and this is the only phone that I care about. And it so happens that this phone does not have EIS in 4K, which sucks.
If I wanted to carry a gimbal with me, I'd be better off carrying a bulky mirrorless camera with in-body-image-stabilization. A gimbal defies the purpose of shooting with a phone (which is the phone's pocket size, mobility and portability). Tripods, gimbals, steadicams, etc. are not needed and are a burden when you simply have EIS. So the guys from Realme should put their efforts in offering this option to the users.
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My gcam works fine here for photos. For video I use stock camera because it has EIS. If you mean the slow motion feature of gcam, look around and you'll see that feature doesn't work in other phones as well.
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Gcam doesn't work at all for video on my Realme 5 Pro. It crashes with slowmo, it does not offer EIS in 4K and it doesn't even offer 4K video recording. Also, the photo sizes can't be adjusted to my liking, just as with the stock camera app.
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Thank you for your reply, Gnusvol.
My finding is TONS of very coarse noise in the shadows, mushy definition and blurred lines. This is what my finding is.
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Which gcam variant are you talking about? I am using this one. It does 16:9 at 8.3 and 6 MP flawlessly and should address one of your concern.
I don't know which other phones do have EIS in 4K, I am a Realme 5 Pro owner and this is the only phone that I care about. And it so happens that this phone does not have EIS in 4K, which sucks.
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You said realme 5 pro is completely useless because of that one feature missing, and yet you can't, and will not, find any other phones that can do that. The title should be written like: "ALL phones that can't do EIS in 4K are completely useless". Good luck in finding the alternative, this year or even the next at this price range.
Gcam doesn't work at all for video on my Realme 5 Pro. It crashes with slowmo, it does not offer EIS and it doesn't even offer 4K video recording. Also, the photo sizes can't be adjusted to my liking, just as with the stock camera app.
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Video recording works fine with the version given above.
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Which gcam variant are you talking about? I am using this one. It does 16:9 at 8.3 and 6 MP flawlessly and should address one of your concern.
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I was using Gcam 7.2
Your older version of Gcam seems to offer 16:9 (which is nice!), however, there is still no way to shoot video in 4K with this version (see attached screenshot below). It only allows for 1080p, 720p and 480p - no 4K option to be seen on the horizon...
...and just because we can have 16:9 through older Google Camera versions, doesn't make Realme 5 Pro's stock camera app less useless. It is complete garbage and needs a ton of work before it can offer anything useful to the owners.
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You said realme 5 pro is completely useless because of that one feature missing, and yet you can't, and will not, find any other phones that can do that. The title should be written like: "ALL phones that can't do EIS in 4K are completely useless". Good luck in finding the alternative, this year or even the next at this price range.
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Phones with a Snapdragon processor (like Realme 5 Pro) are supposed to work in 4K with EIS, when using the Snapdragon Camera app. So, obviously the hardware allows it, and it is just a matter of writing the right software.
Unfortunately, like I said in my original post, there are no Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work on Realme 5 Pro. Or at least not yet. So, not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that good third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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I was using Gcam 7.2
Your older version of Gcam seems to offer 16:9 (which is nice!), however, there is still no way to shoot video in 4K with this version (see attached screenshot below). It only allows for 1080p, 720p and 480p - no 4K option to be seen on the horizon...
...and just because we can have 16:9 through older Google Camera versions, doesn't make Realme 5 Pro's stock camera app less useless. It is complete garbage and needs a ton of work before it can offer anything useful to the owners.
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Complete garbage? Well, speak for yourself. I am the owner of this phone, and I think the stock camera is nice for shooting video in FHD 30 fps with EIS when I don't bring my dji gimbal. I don't shoot in 4K, only FHD. I'm sure the majority owner of realme 5 pro don't feel as strongly as you do about 4K video for a phone that cost only about USD 200-250 depending on the variant.
Phones with a Snapdragon processor (like Realme 5 Pro) are supposed to work in 4K with EIS, when using the Snapdragon Camera app. So, obviously the hardware allows it, and it is just a matter of writing the right software.
Unfortunately, like I said in my original post, there are no Sapdragon Camera app distributions that work on Realme 5 Pro. Or at least not yet. So, not only the stock camera app sucks, but on top of that good third party apps do not work properly with it as well.
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There are a lot of assumptions there. Name one phone with SD7xxx, SD6xx, or even the ones with SD8xx that can do EIS in 4K. Usually when a person says that the camera of phone A is "completely useless" or "complete garbage", he/she would ready to provide a proof that better phone B, C, or D do exist. And with that, I rest my case.
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Complete garbage? Well, speak for yourself. I am the owner of this phone, and I think the stock camera is nice for shooting video in FHD 30 fps with EIS when I don't bring my dji gimbal. I don't shoot in 4K, only FHD. I'm sure the majority owner of realme 5 pro don't feel as strongly as you do about 4K video for a phone that cost only about USD 200-250 depending on the variant.
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Are you telling me that the stock camera app is "nice" because users don't need to shoot 4K video anyway?
Are you telling me that just because YOU don't shoot in 4K, then everybody else shouldn't too?
Speak for yourself, buddy, because 4K is the new standard in video and if you are not shooting in 4K, you are just living in the past.
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There are a lot of assumptions there. Name one phone with SD7xxx, SD6xx, or even the ones with SD8xx that can do EIS in 4K. Usually when a person says that the camera of phone A is "completely useless" or "complete garbage", he/she would ready to provide a proof that better phone B, C, or D do exist. And with that, I rest my case.
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You want me to name one phone that has EIS in 4k?
OK, buddy, here you go: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro shoots 4K with EIS when using the Opencamera app.
And surprise, surprise, the Snapdragon CPU on Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is an OLDER model than the one in Realme 5 Pro.
So, if a phone with an old Snapdragon 636 CPU and only 3 GB of RAM can shoot 4K with EIS, then why a phone with Snapdragon 712 woudn't???
The answer is: because the developers at Realme need to sit on their butts and start working on this major issue. Otherwise, Realme 5 Pro is just a total waste of decent hardware.
Your arguments just don't hold water, so instead of grasping at straws, go ahead and write a letter to Realme's developer team. Maybe if enough owners write them, they would listen and would do something about it.
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Are you telling me that the stock camera app is "nice" because users don't need to shoot 4K video anyway?
Are you telling me that just because YOU don't shoot in 4K, then everybody else shouldn't too?
Speak for yourself, buddy, because 4K is the new standard in video and if you are not shooting in 4K, you are just living in the past.
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I don't tell you to do anything, do what you please. Sell it if you have to and see if I care one bit.
You want me to name one phone that has EIS in 4k?
OK, buddy, here you go: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro shoots 4K with EIS when using the Opencamera app.
And surprise, surprise, the Snapdragon CPU on Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is an OLDER model than the one in Realme 5 Pro.
So, if a phone with an old Snapdragon 636 CPU and only 3 GB of RAM can shoot 4K with EIS, then why a phone with Snapdragon 712 woudn't???
The answer is: because the developers at Realme need to sit on their butts and start working on this major issue. Otherwise, Realme 5 Pro is just a total waste of decent hardware.
Your arguments just don't hold water, so instead of grasping at straws, go ahead and write a letter to Realme's developer team. Maybe if enough owners write them, they would listen and would do something about it.
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Is that the best you can do, giving a link to a thread that none has participated, with "reserved for video samples" post that has not been updated since last march? The OP even said: "the stabilization is not as great compared to fullHD stabilization".
It seems that you have found your solution already. Trade your realme for redmi note 5 pro. Enjoy.
The problem I found is that recording in 1080/60 fps is very laggy and not smooth. In Realme 3 60fps is ultra smooth
Madhuvrata said:
The problem I found is that recording in 1080/60 fps is very laggy and not smooth. In Realme 3 60fps is ultra smooth
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Interesting, thnaks for pointing this problem out.
I haven't tested the 1080p yet. Been trying to find a solution for the lack of EIS in 4K only, but I would not be surprised if there is a problem with 1080p too.
Videos are also undersaturated. In photo you can boost colors but not in video.
Now, for me the camera was the main reason to buy this phone. I record video lectures and video recording is very important for me, especially 1080/60fps (maybe sd712 supports also 4k60fps?), EIS and all this stuff. I compared this camera to camera from Realme 3 pro and recordings and photos made with r3pro are nicely saturated and 60 fps is super smooth. I had also impression that in 1080/30fps with EIS Realme 3 pro was doing better job in terms of smoothness. Definitely our hardware has potential but seems that software is messed up. Only hope is that Realme will do something with that. But we have to make them somehow aware of the problem.
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Videos are also undersaturated. In photo you can boost colors but not in video.
Now, for me the camera was the main reason to buy this phone. I record video lectures and video recording is very important for me, especially 1080/60fps (maybe sd712 supports also 4k60fps?), EIS and all this stuff. I compared this camera to camera from Realme 3 pro and recordings and photos made with r3pro are nicely saturated and 60 fps is super smooth. I had also impression that in 1080/30fps with EIS Realme 3 pro was doing better job in terms of smoothness. Definitely our hardware has potential but seems that software is messed up. Only hope is that Realme will do something with that. But we have to make them somehow aware of the problem.
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Same here. I bought this phone mainly because of its cameras and also because the hardware specs looked great on paper.
However, the camera software that came with the phone turned out to be a pile of horse manure. This Realme 5 Pro deal is like having a Ferrari and not being able to drive it faster than 10 mph.
Let's start sending mails to Realme's development team and see if they would care to do something about it.
ColorOS 7 is coming to our device in February, going to be (suppose to be) major update, hopefully they will fix it in this update. Is there any plan for December or January update?
you guys should try cinema 4k camera app i tried it on my friend redmi note 7.
it was awesome it can record 4k videos @30fps with eis very smooth.
but my realme x2 cant i have been trying to root it so to know if i can get eis in third party camera like GCAM,filmic pro and cinema 4k
I'm getting 5-6 second freezes in slow motion 240 fps!!! On stock ROM. 120 is slightly better but... This if pathetic
Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
mandhir.s.bajwa said:
Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
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The reality is that Redmi 5 pro (Snapdragon 636) can pull smooth 1080/60 fps recording and 4k with EIS. Realme 5 pro cannot. And our wishes are based on the fact that in our device seats Snapdragon 712 and high-end optics (same like in OnePlus 7t). This are realistic, common sense expectations
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Somehow i feel from this thread that flagship output is being expected from a mid-ranger.
Expectations from the device should be realistic and not wish based.
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Devices with weaker processors can record 4K video with EIS. There is no reason why Realme 5 Pro should not be able to do the same.
R5P does have the necessary hardware power, it is a matter of writing the right software. Hope the developers at Realme would do something about it.
Hello,
Currently, if you go on video mode, the wide angle lens can only be activated when you choose 4K 30p setting. But if you turn on 4K60 setting, you're unable to use the wide angle lens.
I'm making this thread to see if anyone also has a clue or a way to force the camera app to record in 4K 60 frames in wide angle mode.
Furthermore, people with OnePlus 8 Pro can film with those settings on, but 8T cannot. Is that because the wide angle lens is using a different sensor and its not optimised?
Pictures below show one of someone's OnePlus 8 Pro and the one with the wall in the background is me with what I see on my 8T. As you can see, there's no "0.6" zoom visible.
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Hello,
Currently, if you go on video mode, the wide angle lens can only be activated when you choose 4K 30p setting. But if you turn on 4K60 setting, you're unable to use the wide angle lens.
I'm making this thread to see if anyone also has a clue or a way to force the camera app to record in 4K 60 frames in wide angle mode.
Furthermore, people with OnePlus 8 Pro can film with those settings on, but 8T cannot. Is that because the wide angle lens is using a different sensor and its not optimised?
Pictures below show one of someone's OnePlus 8 Pro and the one with the wall in the background is me with what I see on my 8T. As you can see, there's no "0.6" zoom visible.
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Have you tried changing your aspect ratio to 21:9? That's a difference I see in your two screenshots. Doubt that's it but maybe we can see this in a future update!?
Oh also maybe cause you don't have a grid? (hahaha okay that was just mean) I'd like to see this too!
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Have you tried changing your aspect ratio to 21:9? That's a difference I see in your two screenshots. Doubt that's it but maybe we can see this in a future update!?
Oh also maybe cause you don't have a grid? (hahaha okay that was just mean) I'd like to see this too!
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Unfortunately these reasons alone aren't the reason why you may think the 60fps on wide angle isn't showing up. The feature is simply non existent on 8T. I am wondering if anyone could figure out a way to do it thru magisk or something like that.