Rooted my S5 (took several tries to root and get CWM recovery). Tried MOAR ROM but didn't like it so flashed back to my nandroid backup of rooted stock ROM. My Knox counter now reads 0x1(4). I understand warranty is voided, but I bought the phone on Ebay, so probably no warranty anyway.
Does 0x1(4) mean Knox has seen 4 flashes? does this matter?
Is there a Knox limit to number of times phone can be flashed?
Other than voided warranty, any other issues now that Knox is tripped, or can I keep flashing ROM's till I find one I like?
How much trouble can I get into doing this, or will I always be able to use CWM recovery to recover my initial backup?
Thanks, and apologies if these have been asked.
seattleal said:
Rooted my S5 (took several tries to root and get CWM recovery). Tried MOAR ROM but didn't like it so flashed back to my nandroid backup of rooted stock ROM. My Knox counter now reads 0x1(4). I understand warranty is voided, but I bought the phone on Ebay, so probably no warranty anyway.
Does 0x1(4) mean Knox has seen 4 flashes? does this matter?
Is there a Knox limit to number of times phone can be flashed?
Other than voided warranty, any other issues now that Knox is tripped, or can I keep flashing ROM's till I find one I like?
How much trouble can I get into doing this, or will I always be able to use CWM recovery to recover my initial backup?
Thanks, and apologies if these have been asked.
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To my knowledge the knox flag is just letting a repair service provider know that your warranty is void. the number next to it is a flash counter, flash away to your hearts content you will not damage your phone flashing unless you really try. You cant get into any trouble.
If I'm not mistaken, hasn't a knox reset been solved on other phones? Is it just a matter of time before someone finds the solution for S5?
I wish I could pass on to EVERYONE at once about Knox...
I bought a Sprint S5 at Best Buy. I also bought Best Buy's insurance, but kept the Assurion insurance just in case.
Already had to bring the phone to Best Buy(Geek Squad looked at it) because of a GPS issue. I have MOAR Rom on it, Rooted/Lucky Patched/Busyboxed, Custom recovery....the works. The Geek squad guy chuckled, asked what my XDA screen name was, and mentioned that since he got a S4, many guys had wondered where Rompnit(MOAR's dev) had gone to. The S3 days were awesome for all.
Best Buy doesn't care about Knox......and Assurion REALLY doesn't care about Knox.
I recently rooted my s6 with pingpong root. Will my warranty be voided even if my knox hasn't been triggered? My device status says custom, so will that affect the warranty?
If you go and show Samsung, yes! But that's why you Odin back to stock and ur good! Just make sure to go into stock recovery and do a reset and clear cache after you odin.
shojus said:
If you go and show Samsung, yes! But that's why you Odin back to stock and ur good! Just make sure to go into stock recovery and do a reset and clear cache after you odin.
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Thanks
BTW I send my edge in warranty repair while Knox was tripped.. they replace my digitizer without any problems
Alex-V said:
BTW I send my edge in warranty repair while Knox was tripped.. they replace my digitizer without any problems
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You do know that they could have denied your warranty service and there's not a thing that you could have done other than having it fixed and paying them. I think it's awesome that Samsung will still fix it under warranty, because in all actuality, KNOX being tripped has nothing to do with most hardware defects. They just like to have a way to deny you if they so choose... Glad that you did get it fixed though! Shows how Samsung is not that bad after all.
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
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There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
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I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
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Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
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Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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Iceman_jkh said:
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
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JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
coolmalayalee said:
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
Jameslwoodward said:
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)
Suppose I have rooted my phone and my Knox gets tripped then what if I flash the brand new official firmware then will everything be normal?
Once knox is tripped it's gone forever
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Once knox is tripped it's gone forever
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What if i flash a brand new official firmware?
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What if i flash a brand new official firmware?
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Knox will be tripped like before, some functions may not work.
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Suppose I have rooted my phone and my Knox gets tripped then what if I flash the brand new official firmware then will everything be normal?
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There is a LSposed module supposedly for knox features, never tried it though.
I haven't tried it yet, either. https://github.com/BlackMesa123/KnoxPatch
No matter what, of course (for the OP), Knox will be permanently tripped, and there's no way to untrip it.
So, the KNOX status is stored in an "efuse" (electronic fuse), once tripped it cannot be reset, the only way to "fix it" is to replace the entire motherboard, not worth the cost.
You can of course put back a native/oficial firmware, most things will work, but anything that is using the KNOX flag will fail.
From what i remember this are a few of the things that will not work anymore :
- samsung health
- samsung payment
- secure folder
- possibly the dual account support (work/personal) won't work, never used it so not sure
If you don't use those then it's not an issue to have the flag.
You can also use an xpose/lsposed module to hide the knox status, but there's no guarantee that it works or that a firmware update won't make that module fail in the future.
Also, i had a banking app (from a romanian bank) that didn't work with tripped knox, but they did give an update that fixed it so as long as the phone was not rooted the bank app worked without issues (this was about 5-6 years ago on a Note 3)
If you really need to use an app that checks the Knox status, the easisest/cheapest would be to get a second hand phone (with the flag still intact) and sell this one, you'll loose some money but it will be cheaper than replacing the entire motherboard
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So, the KNOX status is stored in an "efuse" (electronic fuse), once tripped it cannot be reset, the only way to "fix it" is to replace the entire motherboard, not worth the cost.
You can of course put back a native/oficial firmware, most things will work, but anything that is using the KNOX flag will fail.
From what i remember this are a few of the things that will not work anymore :
- samsung health
- samsung payment
- secure folder
- possibly the dual account support (work/personal) won't work, never used it so not sure
If you don't use those then it's not an issue to have the flag.
You can also use an xpose/lsposed module to hide the knox status, but there's no guarantee that it works or that a firmware update won't make that module fail in the future.
Also, i had a banking app (from a romanian bank) that didn't work with tripped knox, but they did give an update that fixed it so as long as the phone was not rooted the bank app worked without issues (this was about 5-6 years ago on a Note 3)
If you really need to use an app that checks the Knox status, the easisest/cheapest would be to get a second hand phone (with the flag still intact) and sell this one, you'll loose some money but it will be cheaper than replacing the entire
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thank you very much your reply helped me a lot you explained everything very well thank you
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