Honor 8 will receive the android 8 update... here's the confirmation...
Wow thats great news
I have been away from android for like 4-5 years. If I am rooted (bootloader unlocked) on the Honor 8 and there is an update to Oreo, will I get it too, or do I have to go through a different process to get it? Like do I have to unroot and then update, or can I just update?
I hope this is true. Super excited to get Android O )
if Oreo doesnt come, we have Sunny Gusain to blame
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I have been away from android for like 4-5 years. If I am rooted (bootloader unlocked) on the Honor 8 and there is an update to Oreo, will I get it too, or do I have to go through a different process to get it? Like do I have to unroot and then update, or can I just update?
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I'd say instinctively that you won't get the OTA update, but if you just rooted your phone and kept the stock ROM, you might still get the update, which will most definitely unroot your phone.
Apart from that this is great news! I'm hoping for a more 'official' announcement before getting hyped up though
This is the minimum
The minimum time of updates will be reached only in August 2018, what is almost on year after Google oficial unveil. They are already delayed with security updates.
I called Honor USA and they said they knows nothing about it, he just said all the Huawei device that came last year and this year will probably get it, honor 6x and another upcoming honor(didn't say me the name) will also get it. Unfortunately they knows nothing about honor 8.
Also I contacted huawei saudi and they said YES! Check the screenshot...............
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I called Honor USA and they said they knows nothing about it, he just said all the Huawei device that came last year and this year will probably get it, honor 6x and another upcoming honor(didn't say me the name) will also get it. Unfortunately they knows nothing about honor 8.
Also I contacted huawei saudi and they said YES! Check the screenshot...............
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To be honest, I don't rely on answers from support, until it gets announced on social media, then I'll believe it
PalakMi said:
To be honest, I don't rely on answers from support, until it gets announced on social media, then I'll believe it
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Even I don't. They say different things different times........
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Even I don't. They say different things different times........
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Official Honor International page and EMUI page say that they have the OS and are testing it, actually I think on Mate 9. We have to wait.
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Official Honor International page and EMUI page say that they have the OS and are testing it, actually I think on Mate 9. We have to wait.
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I cannot find it. Would you mind to upload a screenshot or maybe share the link?
I contacted Customer Support and, this is the answer I received from the agent:
- "I want to be honest with you and the information I have is that Honor 8 will not be receiving the update to Oreo."
- "I deeply apologize."
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I cannot find it. Would you mind to upload a screenshot or maybe share the link?
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Here's the screen
luisangelrg said:
I contacted Customer Support and, this is the answer I received from the agent:
- "I want to be honest with you and the information I have is that Honor 8 will not be receiving the update to Oreo."
- "I deeply apologize."
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I don't trust them.
Hell, it's likely that those people don't even work for Huawei. I would just as soon call the grocery store down the street and ask them if my phone will get Oreo.
I read article on gadgetraid about Huawei updates to android Oreo and they mentioned that Honor 8 will be updated to Oreo after all flagship devices of 2017 like Mate 10, P10, Honor 8 Pro. The schedule date for our Honor 8 is still unknown, but until next year is left only 2 months so expect update to android 8 in 2018 on Honor 8 in 8th of let's hope May. :fingers-crossed:
How can i get android 8 for this phone ?
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How can i get android 8 for this phone ?
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Not available yet
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I am new to the Mate 9. So far I used to always run a Nexus device as my daily driver but when my Nexus 6P suffered from a "boot loop of death" I bought a Mate 9 instead.
I am wondering though: Will the Mate 9 ever get to see Android O? Or will Android 7.1 be the max for this phone?
What do you think?
I came from the nexus 6p as well. I fully expected not to get many future updates. I knew this going into the purchase.
I do think Mate 9 gets O but it won't be right away.
I'm already running Android O on it, albeit an internal developer build, so it's definitely coming.
Huawei is not known to keep their phones "up to date".
I ran a Mate2, for over a year on 4.3 JB before they updated it to 5.0LL
I bought a Mate8 in November, and it just received Android 7 last week.
I'm not that concerned though. I know going in, that unless you have an Apple
device, or a Google device, most phone rarely get updates past perhaps one
version. Huawei is no different.
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Huawei is not known to keep their phones "up to date".
I ran a Mate2, for over a year on 4.3 JB before they updated it to 5.0LL
I bought a Mate8 in November, and it just received Android 7 last week.
I'm not that concerned though. I know going in, that unless you have an Apple
device, or a Google device, most phone rarely get updates past perhaps one
version. Huawei is no different.
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I thought the Mate 8 got Nougat a couple months ago?
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I thought the Mate 8 got Nougat a couple months ago?
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Depends on which region you were in, and if you did it "officially" through the built in updater application,
or used something like Firmware finder, or, hacked your way into installing a beta.
I waited for it to hit "officially". Firmware finder never did work, although it did work for some.
I prefer the official channels.
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I'm already running Android O on it
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Does it include new updated binaries in /vendor/* ?
https://plus.google.com/+PhoneArena/posts/YW3FAJ4Nihj just going to leave this here. You actually heard it from @duraaraa first
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Short answer: It'll get Android O
At least its planned and its on the roadmap, and Huawei engineers are working on it.
Bb
Honor 8 Is My Daily Driver. I Bought This Phone Because it was specedout and is very good but i was disappointed when i saw its development on XDA Even huawei are very Slow in keeping phone up to date.
Man!! I had s4 previously. Its development on XDA was hell of a lot better then Honor 8.
Those Days. Ahhhh!!!?
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I still like the phone, but as you said, the slow update process and no release of kernel source code is what will keep me away from buying Huawei/Honor devices in the future. I am still on B360 despite the B380 has been released for about 2 months now. Also, Honor promised to keep the device updated for 2 years and yet they already said Honor 8 won't receive EMUI 5.1.
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I still like the phone, but as you said, the slow update process and no release of kernel source code is what will keep me away from buying Huawei/Honor devices in the future. I am still on B360 despite the B380 has been released for about 2 months now. Also, Honor promised to keep the device updated for 2 years and yet they already said Honor 8 won't receive EMUI 5.1.
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Which Model are you using? Becuase i got B380 yesterday as ota update.
What Huawei has said No emui5.1!! . when this happened?
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Which Model are you using? Becuase i got B380 yesterday as ota update.
What Huawei has said No emui5.1!! . when this happened?
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I am using FRD-L09
As for EMUI 5.1, probably should have worded differently. Honor said that they don't plan to release EMUI 5.1 for Honor 8. Take a look at this thread and especially what johnhux7 said:
I have been taking to Honor UK on hangouts.
Honor has no plans to release EMUI 5.1 at the MO.
They also said about the promice of updates :
"The "promise" was a Honor US thing. No European countries were part of that."
They also said :
"The Honor 8 is due to get an update soon. As to what's in that again no info."
These are exact copies of what they said.
Will post more when they say more
John
More quotes
"We are committed to updates, we just don't want to be caught out by publishing press releases with timescales in."
"The whole deal with XDA again was a US, neither Honor US or XDA consulted us before announcing the relationship."
John
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Also, in case you missed it, there is a big deal right now with Huawei P10/P10 Plus regarding different performance in the same device: http://www.androidauthority.com/hua...r-lpddr4-ram-ufs-2-0-ufs-2-1-emmc-5-1-765670/
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I am using FRD-L09
As for EMUI 5.1, probably should have worded differently. Honor said that they don't plan to release EMUI 5.1 for Honor 8. Take a look at this thread and especially what johnhux7 said:
Also, in case you missed it, there is a big deal right now with Huawei P10/P10 Plus regarding different performance in the same device: http://www.androidauthority.com/hua...r-lpddr4-ram-ufs-2-0-ufs-2-1-emmc-5-1-765670/
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Im Also Using FD-L09 But I got Update Yesterday.
And I Recently Read an article about Emui 5.1 features and stuff, at the end of the article it was written that Mate 9 And Honor 8 Most probably will get the update first in Huawei phone series.
Plus I think Honor 8 Is still relatively A latest phone so why would they even try to not update it to Emui 5.1.
But Probably we should wait and see, what happens.
Just got OTA update, i'm not sure it is worth it, all we need emui 5.1
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Just got OTA update, i'm not sure it is worth it, all we need emui 5.1
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But It Doesnt Improves Battery life. I think So .
Huawei clearly doesn't care. They already have your money, and they don't give a damn about their customers.
This is definitely the last Huawei I'm getting. And since I'm in a position to influence others to buy new devices, I'll tell them together avoid it too.
I'm also in Canada, which is one of the few markets they actually have sales in, and use the Huawei name instead of Honor.
So they really should try to avoid having a bad rep here, but are doing nothing to have a good reputation.
At the end of the day you truly get what you pay for, and while the hardware is nice, it's cheap for a reason.
Yeah Huawei doesn't care. I received Nougat after release, but after I couldn't wait till B380, because battery issue. I didn't receive it!
Honor 8 will not receive EMUI 5.1.
I regret that I bought H8, I should buy another phone like 1+3T.
Honestly, the honor 8 is not a bad phone and I really love it. But EMUI 4.1 is horrible and 5.0 is wonderful but had the battery issue. Seriously, this phone drains 2.1% every hour for no reason when my Moto G loaded with the same app setup is draining less than 1% every hour.
The honor 8 in terms of the US model is so neglected and the lack of communication is my problem. Just heard news about the Moto z play gen 2, so you can bet I am buying that and ditching this phone, just gonna sell this and call it a day with Huawei if the updates just never come to even address the battery problem. I don't enjoy charging my phone every single day for only 12 hours of usage and 4 hours of screen on time.
For example here on my Moto G4 play I have Facebook messenger and just look at its background and foreground usage:
And the Moto g is from 3 days of usage and actually opening and using the app and interacting with chat heads.
Then here is the honor 8 which is just 12 HOURS and I NEVER even opened the app on the honor 8:
What is going on here and EMUI 5.0 is supposed to be the more power efficient one and look especially at the pier consumption, the honor 8 used so much more doing what?...
I could go on and on about the app usage differences and the draining. I have Facebook as well with the MOTO G using only 19 mAh with actually opening and using the app and playing a fee videos, while the honor 8 sits at over 200 mAh again with not even opening it.
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Same here, since EMUI 5 my battery doesn't last as long as on EMUI 4.1. I think it's a global problem of A7/Emui 5.
since EMUI 5 my battery doesn't last as long !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have anyone saw if we're getting update for the androod O?
The only sure thing is "updates for 2 years" we just dont know how many there will be.
I think we will be lucky if we see 7.1.X updates or EMUI 5.1 ...
After all if they give you Android 8 on Honor 8, how will they convince you to buy a new mobile in 1.5-2 years ? Its a market thing...
Same happened with OneplusX , you like it? you want more? buy a new model.
I do not believe we get the update on Android O.
Samsung keep their promise and gave android 5.1 for my old Galaxy s4.
If I couldn't receive 2 years update, I will erase the Huawei from list and Me, nor some one near me will never buy Huawei again. It's simple like that. We call it "trust". And miss using trust is a "one time" mistake.
I think we could receive it.
I personally don't it. We went five months without a simple security update. A full OS overhaul seems unlikely to me.
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I personally don't it. We went five months without a simple security update. A full OS overhaul seems unlikely to me.
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Something is moving on Firmware Finder. I think that we will have something soon.
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Unlikely, but it's more likely we get O than 7.1.2.
i want it but i think wont get it
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Unlikely, but it's more likely we get O than 7.1.2.
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Huawei customizes the interface. The version of Android is quite irrelevant.
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SSyar said:
i want it but i think wont get it
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The only chance we would get it is through custom ROMs.
No questions about it, yes
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Huawei customizes the interface. The version of Android is quite irrelevant.
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Not entirely irrelevant. Nougat brought native replies within notifications, that wasn't possible on Marshmallow (without Xposed). If Huawei's customizations bring the same or comparable features to an older version, I can live with that, but they don't always.
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Not entirely irrelevant. Nougat brought native replies within notifications, that wasn't possible on Marshmallow (without Xposed). If Huawei's customizations bring the same or comparable features to an older version, I can live with that, but they don't always.
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Huawei should make notifications and how we interact with them from the lockscreen just like stock Android
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Huawei should make notifications and how we interact with them from the lockscreen just like stock Android
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Agreed, though their target market in China prefers devices that behave similarly to iOS. Thankfully EMUI5 / Nougat is much closer to AOSP than EMUI4 / Marshmallow.
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Agreed, though their target market in China prefers devices that behave similarly to iOS. Thankfully EMUI5 / Nougat is much closer to AOSP than EMUI4 / Marshmallow.
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I wish it will happen in EMUI 6
Personally i hope but i think not. They don't even want to update to 7.1. Think about this, they made P8 (flagship version not Lite one) with a good hardware to support android 7.0 and even 7.1 and guess what? They killed it in favor of P8 lite 2017 that comes with Nougat and the hardware is just slightly different. The P8 just receives security patch updates (at least this phone receive it, we not), nothing more. I agree with those who say is a marketing thing. Talking about our phone, i think it's capable to get 7.1 and even O but probably it will die after the "Big" update with some EMUI 5.1 features on our EMUI 5.0. If we're lucky we'll get by time some security patch updates but nothing more. I wish they can keep their promises about 2 year updates, but actually i'm pretty diffident. Hope they can show me that i'm wrong
I think Honor 8 will receive another major update.
The fact they won't update Honor 7 (Yes, compatibility issues, but still...) disappointed lots of buyers. Making the same mistake with Honor 8 would destroy the reliability of the brand. I hope they're not so stupid.
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I think Honor 8 will receive another major update.
The fact they won't update Honor 7 (Yes, compatibility issues, but still...) disappointed lots of buyers. Making the same mistake with Honor 8 would destroy the reliability of the brand. I hope they're not so stupid.
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I'm hoping with you. Then if everything goes well, we still have to see if they will give us 7.1 or O as major update. What do you think about?
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I'm hoping with you. Then if everything goes well, we still have to see if they will give us 7.1 or O as major update. What do you think about?
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The honor 7 wasn't updated to nougat because of Google's policy about the update (I don't know what is required exactly), and the honor 8 will get Android Or for sure.
I just bought an honor 8 and I read somewhere that it now will no longer be receiving any further updates and no upgrade to Oreo. Is this by chance 100 percent correct? Amy info on this would be greatly appreciated. If it will not be receiving any further updates from Honor then I may return it. I just am not sure what's true on this. Thanks for the help on this.
This is not true. Huawei has not officially confirmed or refuted anything. But I would personally prefer Honor 9 at this time, the price is not so much higher than Honor 8.
Yeah but I personally don't think we will ever see the Honor 9 in the US. My prediction is that we will get the Honor 8 Pro here in December before Christmas. Just a gut feeling as the Honor 8 name is already so widely known here that it just makes sense that they will feed off the Honor 8 name and release the pro model of next here. I just wonder about the current honor 8 and if it will in fact get more updates.
It Will receive further updates
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It Will receive further updates
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That's good to know. How do you know this for sure though. It's that a definite? There is another thread that talks about the honor will now no longer be receiving updates. Was curious how you knew for sure?
Atm i'm running the B394 rom and on Firmware finder there are already B350, B351 and B135 Roma (all beta) so an update is coming soon.
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Atm i'm running the B394 rom and on Firmware finder there are already B350, B351 and B135 Roma (all beta) so an update is coming soon.
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That's really good to hear. I'm glad to know that. I thought it was the end for the honor 8 to be honest.
Seems like after doing a lot of research on various forums the majority of people say the honor 8 will definitely keep receiving updates for a while to come. That's a very good thing bc I just bought my third honor 8 and this time I plan to keep it long term. I typically go through a lot of phones testing out new gear. I finally decided that the honor 8 is my all time favorite phone which I do not consider EMUI to be Android at all. In fact it's nothing like Android. It's so unique and different I've said many times in the past that EMUI could easily be branded and marketed as a third major mobile software choice in the industry. I believe since they could not be connected to IOS they were forced to be thrown in with Android but it's nothing remotely like pure android at all or what so ever. In fact I find EMUI to be as smooth interface wise as apple IOS where most Android interface with skins are rather choppy and sticky. Not EMUI as it's butter smooth and very fluid. Huawei Honor has definitely created a unique hybrid software that it cannot be compared to anything at all. It's in a league of its own and as soon as they officially entered the US market full blown watch how fast they over take Samsung for the top spot. The interface of the software is a joy to use. Zero lag at all. It's as fluid as IOS so there is no doubt it will fast become the most popular in the Android world if they don't decide to Branch out and brand their own software to be labeled as the third major software choice within the mobile industry. I can't wait until they enter the US market and I believe within two to three years they will be equal too or above Samsung for the top spot world wide. It'll be interesting to watch take place. As long as they stay true to their core roots in terms of pricing with high end budget phones such as the honor 8 and leave the Huawei side as their premium flagship phones there is no way they won't over take Samsung. Huawei honor is deep with their variety of offerings with the likes for example the honor 8 which is a very affordable phone but it indeed has flagship specs and a awesome camera. I hope their next US release for honor is the honor 8 pro. It has a 5.7 inch display and would be a great media phone for movies and YouTube and such. I'd love to have one to rotate out with my honor 8. The reason I believe the honor 8 pro will be their next US honor release is bc the honor 8 is already widely known in the US so it makes sense for them to keep feeding off the honor 8 name and release the pro model next.
Why will Honor 8 not get the Oreo update? It's last year Honor's flagship, every flagship gain two next androids versions at least...
Just what I had been reading on other forums and here lead me to that. I now think it will. I excited to know this now.
I don't know if we will get Oreo. However, in regards to general updates, my FRD-L14 just received the B389 update today. I think it mainly just updates security to the Oct 5th patch, at least it is an update.
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I don't know if we will get Oreo. However, in regards to general updates, my FRD-L14 just received the B389 update today. I think it mainly just updates security to the Oct 5th patch, at least it is an update.
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I sure hope we get Oreo. Technically we should and I really think it would be a bad business decision on Huawei honors part not to give the honor 8 oreo due to how close it is before they enter the US market full blown and officially. They don't want to enter this market on a bad note. Plus this is honors flagship phone for the US. They would loose a ton of US customer support if they choose not to update this phone to Oreo. They didn't climb up to number two in the world based off of bad decisions for their customers so I think we will get it but it will be very late to the party getting it.
With this finally being released, do you think we'll get the update on our devices or will we be stuck on Oreo
Sometime next year maybe.
Of course the P20 Pro will get Android 9. It would be a huge embarrassment for Huawei if it didn’t. I‘m pretty confident it will happen, maybe even in late 2018. I‘m secretly also hoping for Android 10.
I hope it does, but with how Huawei updates phones I have feeling we may not see it anytime within the next 6 - 12 months. Look at the mate 10 Pro, still no Oreo 8.1 and how long as that been out.
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When I spoke to an Huawei rep they said we're guaranteed one major update so technically yes, we will get Android 9.
I got Oreo on my mate 9 one year later in dec 2017. So I presume we will get pie by April 2018.
This is their reply (UK) when asked about if for P20 Pro and Mate 10 Pro
I have verified and currently we do not have information if the two devices you mentioned will receive the Android P update
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Seeing how various huawei devices are getting their oreo (not 8.1 maybe, but still, it got a major version upgrade), i think we will have it eventually. I dont feel any rush either
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Seeing how various huawei devices are getting their oreo (not 8.1 maybe, but still, it got a major version upgrade), i think we will have it eventually. I dont feel any rush either
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I love the P20 pro but i can't go with Huawei ever again they're just like motorola with updates its always "if or when" they decide, i can't see why they don't let us get it via a beta programme or something.
They have beta programs in China. Club.Huawei is quite an active user base and new features get tested by the members' beta program. Unfortunately, non-chinese Huawei-IDs can not enter the beta.
Here is the thread (attn: chinese obviously): https://club.huawei.com/thread-16854269-1-1.html
We'll get it by Q4 of 2018.
I have my p20 pro for three months and I have got 3 updates. One every month. 128 the day I opened it, 131 the next month and now 152. What delays?? What more to ask.??
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I love the P20 pro but i can't go with Huawei ever again they're just like motorola with updates its always "if or when" they decide, i can't see why they don't let us get it via a beta programme or something.
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Well,
If you didnt count a major update (like oreo to pie), i alreary update my P20 pro 7 times,
From initial .103 to .152 now. With august security update. So i guess, there's no delay in that regards.
Huawei is absolute crap when it comes to Android upgrades, even for their latest and greatest phone.
Genuinely don't expect to see anything until early to mid 2019. Just pray for ROM development is all.
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Huawei is absolute crap when it comes to Android upgrades, even for their latest and greatest phone.
Genuinely don't expect to see anything until early to mid 2019. Just pray for ROM development is all.
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dont expect for rom dev. they shut off bootloader unlocking support. no dev gonna use the phone anymore, unless bootloader is unlockable
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I have my p20 pro for three months and I have got 3 updates. One every month. 128 the day I opened it, 131 the next month and now 152. What delays?? What more to ask.??
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Well,
If you didnt count a major update (like oreo to pie), i alreary update my P20 pro 7 times,
From initial .103 to .152 now. With august security update. So i guess, there's no delay in that regards.
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But a lot of users in UK who have received the C782 model aren't getting these updates and thus reason why they are not happy about the update process. It's luck if you got the C432 model and Huawei won't advise which resellers are selling them.
Lucky we've just received update with July security fixes, prior to that we got one last month with June's update and the update before that was the update that included April's security fixes.
They should have just released one version of the phone for all markets so everyone got same updates.
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Huawei reportedly testing Android 9.0 Pie on P20, Mate 10 Pro, Honor flagships:
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-android-pie-893642/
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Huawei reportedly testing Android 9.0 Pie on P20, Mate 10 Pro, Honor flagships:
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-android-pie-893642/
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Yeh but they treat the Pro differently. Even got a link from them to join beta testing but nothing for P20 Pro
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I doubt their priority for updates are top of their list.. they rather pump out new phones... thats why I would never use another samsung phone... Huawei looks a little better.. updates every 2 month.. haha samsung was like 3-4 months.. almost 8months for 8.0 to come out for the S7
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I doubt their priority for updates are top of their list.. they rather pump out new phones... thats why I would never use another samsung phone... Huawei looks a little better.. updates every 2 month.. haha samsung was like 3-4 months.. almost 8months for 8.0 to come out for the S7
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The Mate 10 Pro is still on 8.0 and it was released November last year and is classed as flagship device, yet only had 2 updates this year which included March and June Security updates.
So probably won't get 8.1 until earliest November and 9 sometime next year.
As for P20 Pro with the new Mate 20 imminent then we won't see an update on the device until after that is released and probably not till next year.
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