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Battery Care P3110...

Hello Guys!
I got today a new P3110 and I discacharged it to 2% and I plugged it now to load.
I have seen the charger pushes 2A @ 5V , this is pretty much for a battery of 4Ah, I know from my batteries ( AA AAA and others) that the charging current should be max. 1/3 of the capacity of battery.
So my question is: IS it better to charge it with the Samsung Galaxy S2 charger which provides only 0,[email protected],1V ?
It would last app. 6h to charge it till its full ( can be done over night, hopefully the charger wont melt)....
What do you think about that? Woul it harm to battery(li poly) to do it with small current?
cheers

If the charger seems much then tell me why Samsung made it.

Luigi2012SM64DS said:
If the charger seems much then tell me why Samsung made it.
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to destroy the battery faster, through much more currency than actually needed, so you have to buy a new one....

sh0ne said:
to destroy the battery faster, through much more currency than actually needed, so you have to buy a new one....
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You have got to be kidding me. ITS SO THE TAB CHARGES FASTER. IT WON'T KILL THE BATTERY!!!!

Its because the tab has a much bigger battery 4000mah vs 16xxmah.
It charges it faster

MrAndroid12 said:
Its because the tab has a much bigger battery 4000mah vs 16xxmah.
It charges it faster
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Of couse it charges faster, but for long therm it will kill the battery faster. Its usual, like every battery. Every fast charger is not good for battery, I just wanted to know if somebody have a expieriance...

sh0ne said:
Of couse it charges faster, but for long therm it will kill the battery faster. Its usual, like every battery. Every fast charger is not good for battery, I just wanted to know if somebody have a expieriance...
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Battery life span is a matter of charge cycles 0%-100%-0%. That is 1 cycle and surely batteries don't discharge to 0% not charge fully to 100%

-AFAIK- Even with lithium, Its the heat build up when "fast" charging that shortens any battery life - (same with fast discharging- I would never use those apps that do so) , so I agree with shOne. I have the same model & have noticed the battery does get quite hot when mains charging,( though have never thought to check charging AH).
I would imagine that the only damage you would do with using phone charger would be to the charger, by sucking out more than it can handle, not the battery ! -
-- But why not charge it via a pc usb port - this take a lot longer (so presume much lower AH) than the mains plug in charger - Most usb pc ports are nowadays - permanently live, even when pc off - same with the usb on a modern sky/virgin box. My battery does not get hot, charging this way. I dont know what the charge rate is charging this way ,because both the inbuilt notification & my battery app say "discharging" - (although actually charging)
(I agree that Samsung have provided a quick mains charger, and wouldnt be averse to selling replacement batteries earlier than would otherwise be neccessary, !! (I wouldnt use cheap replacement batteries in any I.T. stuff - I "blew up " a laptop once as a result!!)

I believe that the 2 amp charge is reasonable with the out put of most lithium batteries for this type of device. Since it is a lithium it will not be overcharging or over heating due to sensing, it would be a serious fire hazard... fyi I use a2 amp charger from Wal-Mart and I do not notice my device really heating up...
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Buff52 said:
-AFAIK- Even with lithium, Its the heat build up when "fast" charging that shortens any battery life - (same with fast discharging- I would never use those apps that do so) , so I agree with shOne. I have the same model & have noticed the battery does get quite hot when mains charging,( though have never thought to check charging AH).
I would imagine that the only damage you would do with using phone charger would be to the charger, by sucking out more than it can handle, not the battery ! -
-- But why not charge it via a pc usb port - this take a lot longer (so presume much lower AH) than the mains plug in charger - Most usb pc ports are nowadays - permanently live, even when pc off - same with the usb on a modern sky/virgin box. My battery does not get hot, charging this way. I dont know what the charge rate is charging this way ,because both the inbuilt notification & my battery app say "discharging" - (although actually charging)
(I agree that Samsung have provided a quick mains charger, and wouldnt be averse to selling replacement batteries earlier than would otherwise be neccessary, !! (I wouldnt use cheap replacement batteries in any I.T. stuff - I "blew up " a laptop once as a result!!)
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Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock

"Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock"
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LOL.........mine was a supposed "genuine" DELL replacement battery I got on EB from HK. On the first charge (in the bedroom) heard a strange hissing then a loud "pop". Some of the underside casing was actually melted and there was battery gunge all over the internals!

Buff52 said:
"Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock"
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LOL.........mine was a supposed "genuine" DELL replacement battery I got on EB from HK. On the first charge (in the bedroom) heard a strange hissing then a loud "pop". Some of the underside casing was actually melted and there was battery gunge all over the internals!
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A lot of things I bought from Hong Kong off Ebay actually came from mainland China pfff.....
It's those low quality defects they send you. Mass market goods in china doesn't require quality passes unlike Hong Kong where it's illegal once they get pass customs.

sh0ne said:
Hello Guys!
I got today a new P3110 and I discacharged it to 2% and I plugged it now to load.
I have seen the charger pushes 2A @ 5V , this is pretty much for a battery of 4Ah, I know from my batteries ( AA AAA and others) that the charging current should be max. 1/3 of the capacity of battery.
So my question is: IS it better to charge it with the Samsung Galaxy S2 charger which provides only 0,[email protected],1V ?
It would last app. 6h to charge it till its full ( can be done over night, hopefully the charger wont melt)....
What do you think about that? Woul it harm to battery(li poly) to do it with small current?
cheers
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OK, electronics 101, chargers DO NOT PUSH power to a a battery, 2 AMPS is the chargers MAXIMUM OUTPUT, the device plugged to the charger PULLS what it wants (up to a maximum of 2A of current) so it can charge in a reasonable amount of time, you may be able to charge your tablet with a lower output charger but all it would do is take longer to charge (if the charger even had the power output greater then the static draw of the device), which is why most tablets simply CANNOT be charged by the USB 2.0 port on a computer or other small .5 A output chargers. You may very well charge while generating less heat, because of the slower charge cycle using the .7A S2 charger, but at the same time if you try to use the tablet while it's charging on the smaller charger it may very well drop in battery percentage as the smaller charger may not be enough to maintain the current requirements to charge the battery and run the device.
So in short, would charging with the smaller charger harm the battery, NO, but if it is enough to actually charge the device it will take atleast DOUBLE the amount of time to recharge as it would with the regular 2A charger.

Quick charge not working.

Hi. Posted this in a couple other places already. Got my XZ yesterday and it doesn't come with a quick charger. Fine, I bought some. None of them are working though.
Tried Anker and Aukey, and also the charger from my wife's HTC 10. Any ideas why this isn't working?
Everything I've read (the specs on the official site) say that this phone supports Quick Charge. I've tested the HTC 10 in all 3 chargers and it quick charges so I know it's not them.
Tried it with Battery Care off and nothing. When Battery Care is on all I get is messages saying "Battery Care has crashed" or something. Pretty annoying, considering I just dropped about £50 on new chargers!

fatguy666 said:
Hi. Posted this in a couple other places already. Got my XZ yesterday and it doesn't come with a quick charger. Fine, I bought some. None of them are working though.
Tried Anker and Aukey, and also the charger from my wife's HTC 10. Any ideas why this isn't working?
Everything I've read (the specs on the official site) say that this phone supports Quick Charge. I've tested the HTC 10 in all 3 chargers and it quick charges so I know it's not them.
Tried it with Battery Care off and nothing. When Battery Care is on all I get is messages saying "Battery Care has crashed" or something. Pretty annoying, considering I just dropped about £50 on new chargers!
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Sony enable Quick Charge only when battery is under 60% for safety reason.

AndroPlus said:
Sony enable Quick Charge only when battery is under 60% for safety reason.
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Battery was at 15% dude.
When it's quick charging, does it give any indication? I know the HTC 10 says "charging rapidly".

fatguy666 said:
Battery was at 15% dude.
When it's quick charging, does it give any indication? I know the HTC 10 says "charging rapidly".
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There is no indication.
You can check with Ampere.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
This app doesn't show exact charging current, but if it shows over 2,000 mAh (wait about 30 sec) quick charge is working.
Please note there are heat throttling, so quick charge is disabled when device is really hot.

I bought Aukey QC 3.0 and when the phone is over 85%, I get 680ma; below that I get higher rates over 1000ma.
UPDATE: I put my phone in charge at 50% and I got over 2000ma but when it reached 80%, it changed to 600ma. So it supports quick charging but when it reaches to almost full, it activate battery optimization for the safety of the battery.

confirming above, I also came from a HTC10 and was expecting to see a "charging rapidly" message. My XZ also doesnt display this.
When using GSAM, I can see the rate of change of charge, when connected to a QC2.0 or a QC 3.0 charger and at low battery capacity, I can see rate of change of up to 60% per hour, this is in line with my other QC phones. It does appear that Sony throttles charge speeds more than HTC does above 80%, but I can understand that, and it doesnt bother me too much.

Yeah, I've had some time to look at Ampere and would conclude the same.
My XZ on the Anker charger is peaking about 2190ma when charging at a low percent, whereas my Z2 on the old standard charger peaks around 730ma - this is after 5 minutes for both.
Was just a little freaked that it didn't indicate that it was "charging rapidly". Guessing the throttling will also help battery life, although it was a bit of a sore one seeing the wife's HTC 10 peak around 2900ma.

Anyone know if the Galaxy s7 chargers will output 3.0 with the international models??

Did you buy a used phone? My XZ came with an OEM SONY QC 3.0 rated charger. Using Gsam battery monitor pro I get readings up to 2200+ mAh charge rates between 30 and 60% battery. That is generally considered to be the safest range to fast charge lithium ion batteries (fast charge generally being a charge rate higher than .5C, which for this phone is 1450mAh). I don't get any indication it is fast charging, it just does it. QC 3.0 applies a varying voltage and amperage throughout the charge, offering more gradual and "healthy" charge curves as opposed to conventional or QC 2.0 charging. Basically your QC 3.0 charger charges the battery as fast as is possible while not sacrificing battery life (say due to excess heat or overcharging).

Hi, I have recently bought a new XZ & bought the original Sony charger UCH12W at same time. The hour of charged is need approx. 2 hours from the battery percentage 30% to 100%. Is that any one face this ? Or maybe is my charger or either my phone problem.

Try this
Use the the detect usb in the notification keys before connecting the charger,, this will solve the fast recharging issues,, even if phone will recognice charging after few seconds,, charging will be fast and normal

Lt.Oscar said:
Use the the detect usb in the notification keys before connecting the charger,, this will solve the fast recharging issues,, even if phone will recognice charging after few seconds,, charging will be fast and normal
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this solves the problem, its sad that you need to do this first and its not automatically fast charging .

Still buggy
Its the only method that i find it working,,, but still there is a chance that phone still wont charge fast so keep an eye on the charging process,, and its temporary solution till next update for soctware as i hope its a bug in android 7

XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?

XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?
I turned on battery care mode.

Battery care is turned on?

Mine also came with a slow charger. When I plug it to my portable battery, it can still be pretty fast (and hot...)

With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.

L3RAT said:
With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.
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Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.

jeffreywen said:
Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.
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Try to keep it turned on then. I guess Sony could set offline charging to minimal settings and control QuickCharge with software. Try "Ampere" app to check how many ampers are you getting while charging (download from play store, no root required). It should oscillate from 700mA to 2500mA. If not (e.g. stuck at 1000mA) it means your charger could be defective and should be exchange for new one.

man. I got 75% in an hour while the phone was off :/ using the same charger as yours so there must be a problem, try to change the cable

Guys does anyone know if the USB type-C cable which comes with the non-fast charger is 3.0 Quick Charge compatible?? I've ordered a Anker 3.0 Quick Charge charger just wanted to make sure the cable is.

My case is even worse, tales 3 hours to charge from 13% to 97%
I am even using the newest Sony 3A usb c to c quick charger!
What the hell..

XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.

bucho144 said:
XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.
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Good post, thanks for sharing,
I ve recently brought Anker PowerPort+1 charger QC3.0 compatible and used stock Sony cable and max output I got was 2180mA max using Ampere too.. What my question is now what should the XZ be drawing max? near 3000mA?? Battery care Off.
Ive ordered PortaPow 20AWG cable it states its also QC3.0 compatible so lets see how much it get and if it makes any difference to the charge times.
I will post my results in the next 2 days.

How's your battery capacity holding up after some use with the 65w charging?

Looking at buying this phone but I'd like to know how the battery life holds up over time with the fast charging. What kind of screen off time do you get after 6 months or a year of using the phone?

I've had it for a year and I have charged it with a slow 1 Amp charger every night. I only use the 65w charger maybe once a month. I haven't had any issues.

I've had the phone for almost a year and I charge it with the 65w charger every day. No issues, battery lasts for as long as it did when it was new.

954wrecker said:
I've had the phone for almost a year and I charge it with the 65w charger every day. No issues, battery lasts for as long as it did when it was new.
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@baxtex
Yeah I just got my 8T today. I did more research and found out they use multiple temperature sensors that will trigger the device to charge slower if it's overheating. They also use 2 batteries in the phone to prevent this heat from happening under normal charging conditions. If it was in the sun or in a very warm room or something I'm pretty sure it would throttle itself based on some of the reviews I found on it. You might have to have adaptive charging on for this but I would assume it's just more aggressive than the regular protections. Pretty sure you could explode your battery with 65w charging in direct sunlight on a hot day. Anyways I think 1A charging is overkill for protecting it. 1A is also not actually not a measurement of current unless you have the volts also. If it's 5V which I think all usb is but I haven't checked since usb-c came out that would be 5 watts. I guess if you leave it on that overnight it doesn't matter though not like it'll hurt anything.

Question Help with the charger - Problem

Hello!
It's been a while since I don't have an Android device (Iphone user lately) and I'm buying this beauty these days.
I have two questions: First, right now the 45w charger is out of stock so should I buy the 25W instead just until I find the best one (expend money).
Two: How shall we charge this device? All night? Just 2 hous like Iphone? Please help me out on this.

25W vs 45W is really just a matter of the time it takes to charge the phone. And right now, available evidence suggests that its not worth it. As for how to charge it? All night is fine, as the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged.

does the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged?

Deiota77 said:
does the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged?
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Yes, that is always the case.
I would recommend buying a 45W (or higher) USB PD PPS power supply. That will work on Samsung devices. But keep in mind: it has to support PPS to allow voltages between something like 5V, 9V, 15V etc. If it is only USB PD, it will only charge at 15W.
I have the Anker Nano II 65W that has PPS, but there is also a 45W version. But that is just one option, there are plenty of other products out there that support 45W USB PD PPS

Deiota77 said:
does the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged?
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LAtest equipment come with a battery health function it basically charges fast up to 80% and then slowly charges the remaining 20% to extend battery life. Once at 100% it won't charge at the same level, reducint the current/voltage.

I really don’t want to damage the battery like it happened with my iPhone (1 year and 89%).
That’s why I’m asking!
Please post your own experiences.

Deiota77 said:
I really don’t want to damage the battery like it happened with my iPhone (1 year and 89%).
That’s why I’m asking!
Please post your own experiences.
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The worst thing for mobile phone batteries is heat. So running the display all the time and gaming are probably the things to avoid. Which unfortunately...Is what most phones are being designed for these days. So don't let the phone get hot, and try to keep the charge level under 80% if you want the battery to really last. But batteries WILL degrade. There is no way around that. The best you can do is try to limit the damage.

Deiota77 said:
I really don’t want to damage the battery like it happened with my iPhone (1 year and 89%).
That’s why I’m asking!
Please post your own experiences.
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Two things kill the battery: heat and high/low voltages
In an ideal world, the Li-ion battery is at around 20°C and stays at around 3.8V.
Use the slowest possible charger whenever you can (5W e. g.)
Avoid fast charging as often as possible
Don't charge past 80% and don't let it drop below 20%
Don't let your phone stay at 100% for too long. Nothing will happen but the high voltage will degrade the battery (like if you leave your device plugged in every night).
In theory you shouldn't charge your device when it's hot and so on but I mean if you live in Spain for example and it is summer. What else are you going to do? So avoiding charging the ambient temperature is too high, is something you can't really do. (Yeah, in Spain most homes to have AC but you get the point )
I have taken care of my OnePlus 7T Pro's battery since I have received it 2 years ago. According to OnePlus Diagnostic it started at around 97% health (new device) and is now at 93%. I almost never charge above 80% and have a Tasker routine to only let it stay at 60% over night and charge to 80% right before my alarm rings. I use ACC (Advanced Charging Controller) for that. But it requires Magisk.
That might be a bit extreme but I have only lost 4% after 2 years and countless battery cycles. Keep in mind that every now and then you should go from 0% to 100% to let the system calibrate the battery so that it accurately reports its charge. This is the only reason why you should do this so that the system knows how much capacity the battery has. And if you mostly stay between 20–80% all the time, it might think that 80% is its max charge and start misreporting the percentage.

Thanks for all that great tips. I think I won't ever buy an extra fast power charger, I'll use a normal one...

is it safe to use 25 watt charger of s 21 TA-800 for charging s22 ultra?

osamaelgabry said:
is it safe to use 25 watt charger of s 21 TA-800 for charging s22 ultra?
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yes, enable fast charging and limit to 85%