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[Q] Charge Time

I am a bit surprised at how long my shield tablet takes to charge, around 6-8 hours depending on how much battery is left (usually around 20% before I charge).
Is this normal? Or are my expectations a little too high in thinking it would take 2-3 hours to charge?
Many thanks for for answers!!

What charger are you using? Mine doesn't take that long and I'm using NVIIDIA's retail charger (2.1A).

I am using the wall charger that is supplied with the tablet!!
I have spoken with nvidia support about this issue, however they couldn't confirm the charge time for some reason, hence why I am asking here for peoples experience with charging times. Also I have tried googling the answer and haven't found anything!!
Slightly frustrating!!

43 views so far and no answer?
come on people, all I am asking is your charge times for your shield tablets!
pretty please with cream and a cherry on top?

I havn't any exact number for how long the charging take, but I think the charging time has increased with Lollipop. Most of the time it is fully charged over night (6-8 hours) but sometimes it has just charged a few percent.

I have seen some unfortunate charging times as well, but I haven't recorded them or taken note of exactly how long they take. I also have chargers up to 2.1A and thicker gold plated cables I've tried.
Are there any apps I can use to record battery percentage by the minute?

ACharLuk said:
What charger are you using? Mine doesn't take that long and I'm using NVIIDIA's retail charger (2.1A).
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What are we talking about? Time to go to 100% battery or time to go to green led?
There is a 30-45 min time difference between 100% and green led.

When my shield reaches around 20% i'll charge it over night whilst I'm asleep, 6-7 hours later when i wake up i still see the orange led and am surprised at how slow it takes to get to 100%. This is how I noticed the slow recharge time.
Admittedly this is my first tablet, and as stated I'm just surprised and lead me to think maybe the charger that was provided is a dud and/or the tablet is a dud. And no one likes a dud!!
However I just wanted to hear other peoples experiences as maybe the charge time is this long and I've just got too high of an expectation that a device like this should have a charge time of 2-3 hours.
Many thanks for all the responses so far, most appreciated. Keep 'em coming!! :good:

If you want 2 - 3 hours of charging time starting from 15% or 20, you have to get another charger. The stock one is weak. I got a Samsung Note 3 one and after 2 hours and a half, or even less depending the percentage, it's fully charged.

CM17X said:
If you want 2 - 3 hours of charging time starting from 15% or 20, you have to get another charger. The stock one is weak. I got a Samsung Note 3 one and after 2 hours and a half, or even less depending the percentage, it's fully charged.
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^^^This.
Also, I have a Quick Charge 2.0 charger that I found on Amazon that shows whether or not a device is capable of using the Quick Charge 2.0 standard. My nVidia Shield does, in fact, seem to support it, and charges pretty quickly on this charger. I can't say I've ever had the tablet get below 50% or so, but I've never seen it take more than an hour or two to get the Shield's charge indicator to go green with that charger.

jt3 said:
^^^This.
Also, I have a Quick Charge 2.0 charger that I found on Amazon that shows whether or not a device is capable of using the Quick Charge 2.0 standard. My nVidia Shield does, in fact, seem to support it, and charges pretty quickly on this charger. I can't say I've ever had the tablet get below 50% or so, but I've never seen it take more than an hour or two to get the Shield's charge indicator to go green with that charger.
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What's the Output of yours?

CM17X said:
What's the Output of yours?
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18W. However, in the normal 5V mode, it's only 10W, like any other 2A charger.
In QuickCharge 2.0, the device being charged decides if/when the charger uses the 5V, 9V, and/or 12V charging modes. If the device is not QC 2.0 compatible, the charger will ALWAYS charge at 5V. This particular charger indicates when the device has allowed it to shift into the 9V or 12V charging modes (but unfortunately doesn't indicate which). In either of those modes, it's 18W (which incidentally is about 4W more than the Moto "Turbo Charger").
I've seen a 30W charger on Amazon (which is the maximum, according to the standard), but it doesn't have the indicator. This is important to me, because QC 2.0 needs a full data cable to communicate with the device. Accidentally use a charge-only cable, and it will stay in 5V mode. It's nice to have that warning that you've done something wrong.
However, in this case... that indicator showed me that my Shield had a fantastic unadvertised feature (at least as far as I knew).

jt3 said:
18W. However, in the normal 5V mode, it's only 10W, like any other 2A charger.
In QuickCharge 2.0, the device being charged decides if/when the charger uses the 5V, 9V, and/or 12V charging modes. If the device is not QC 2.0 compatible, the charger will ALWAYS charge at 5V. This particular charger indicates when the device has allowed it to shift into the 9V or 12V charging modes (but unfortunately doesn't indicate which). In either of those modes, it's 18W (which incidentally is about 4W more than the Moto "Turbo Charger").
I've seen a 30W charger on Amazon (which is the maximum, according to the standard), but it doesn't have the indicator. This is important to me, because QC 2.0 needs a full data cable to communicate with the device. Accidentally use a charge-only cable, and it will stay in 5V mode. It's nice to have that warning that you've done something wrong.
However, in this case... that indicator showed me that my Shield had a fantastic unadvertised feature (at least as far as I knew).
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So no more words, i'm getting that charger.
Ps: Negative charge while playing, do you face it? It happens on games like HL2 and Sky Gamblers - Storm Raiders.

kf006 said:
When my shield reaches around 20% i'll charge it over night whilst I'm asleep, 6-7 hours later when i wake up i still see the orange led and am surprised at how slow it takes to get to 100%. This is how I noticed the slow recharge time.
Admittedly this is my first tablet, and as stated I'm just surprised and lead me to think maybe the charger that was provided is a dud and/or the tablet is a dud. And no one likes a dud!!
However I just wanted to hear other peoples experiences as maybe the charge time is this long and I've just got too high of an expectation that a device like this should have a charge time of 2-3 hours.
Many thanks for all the responses so far, most appreciated. Keep 'em coming!! :good:
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Seems you have a problem, mine doesn't take more than 4:30 to go from 15% to green light.

Actually, using the stock charger, it only takes mine about 3 hours to fully charge from being dead.

derekmt95 said:
Actually, using the stock charger, it only takes mine about 3 hours to fully charge from being dead.
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I don't think so
Correct me if i'm wrong but the shield battery is 6900mAh.Stock charger is 2.1A... So what you are saying is impossible.

Doesn't charging a battery faster degrades it? Like, the faster you charge it the hotter it gets and the fastest it degrades overtime? And the same can be said of the opposite: the slower the better for the battery longevity?

Judge584 said:
I don't think so
Correct me if i'm wrong but the shield battery is 6900mAh.Stock charger is 2.1A... So what you are saying is impossible.
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You're wrong, it's a 5197 mAh. Stock charger is 2.1A. Battery charge take 4 hours near to 5%, 3 hours near to 15%.
eurominican said:
Doesn't charging a battery faster degrades it? Like, the faster you charge it the hotter it gets and the fastest it degrades overtime? And the same can be said of the opposite: the slower the better for the battery longevity?
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Yeah, high amperage kill your battery faster, take care about "quick recharge" charger. Try to avoid long charge too. Don't forget : 1 cycle on Lion-ion battery don't mean 1 charge = 1 cycle. 1 cycle = 0% to 100%. So you can charge 20 percents at job, 10 percents in train, 70 percents at home.
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kf006 said:
I am a bit surprised at how long my shield tablet takes to charge, around 6-8 hours depending on how much battery is left (usually around 20% before I charge).
Is this normal? Or are my expectations a little too high in thinking it would take 2-3 hours to charge?
Many thanks for for answers!!
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See my post just up there. 6-8 hours is too long, maybe battery fail...

Thanks for all the replies guys, most appreciated!!
I have spoken to Nvidia Customer Care and I thought I would share what they advised me to try (which may or may not help others are experiencing the same issue), not sure if this will work or not, but at least it is something to try -
"We would kindly request you to follow the battery calibration producer mentioned in the steps below, observe the device performance and let us know the result.
You will have to calibrate the battery for just one time and observe the device battery backup for 2-3days to see the changes.
1: Drain your Shield tablet battery by using it normally until it turns off by itself.
2: Power-on your Shield tablet, if it wakes up and if you see some power left, follow step 1.
3: If Shield tablet is now drained to the point it can't wake up, set the device to charge for 7-8 hours.
The device should remain off when you set it for charging here.
4: Unplug the charger after 7-8hours, power on and wait for the battery charge to drop down to 90-95%.
5: Once the device battery drops down to 90-95%, plug in the charger and charge for one complete hour.
6: Unplug the charger once the device is fully charged.
7: Go to Shield settings > Shield power control > Apps> select optimize all option.
8: Go to Shield settings > Shield power control > system>
• Set the brightness to auto.
• Change the sleep option to 2 minutes of inactivity instead of default 10 minutes inactivity.
• Change the processor mode to either optimized or Battery savings.
• Check the Wifi optimization on.
Observe the device performance and report to us if you are still facing issue with the battery backup.
For better battery backup and optimization, you may also consider following steps.
1: Always use the Shield tablet charger and not the computer USB ports or any other charger as the power specifications vary from the device to device.
2: In case if the charger is missing, use the back port of the desktop computer to charge the device instead of front port.
3: Always remember to exit the application instead of tapping the home button which will continue to run the application in the background.
4: Restart your Shield tablet at least once in a week. This will refresh the device making it work faster and efficient.
5: Connect the charger only when the battery comes down to 15% and unplug the charger only when it reaches 90% or above. This will reduce the number of charge cycles which will make battery last longer.
6: Use a third party app manager like Clean Master and free the memory at-least once a day to keep the device running faster. "
Fingers crossed this helps.

Your charger is faulty I believe, same as mine which Amazon and Nvidia themselves said was faulty and I got a partial refund due to that. I would suggest you to get some other charger, that charges at like 2.1A as they charge the tablet ridicolously fast (about 2,5 hours from 20%) and I'm finally able to play games while charging too (however, then it charges at a slower rate).
I made a thread about this not so long ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shi...k-charger-charges-slow-drops-battery-t2972368

Fast charging? Is it safe?

First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?

markdexter said:
First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?
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Technically , yes you can use any charger you'd like. You don't have to stick with the fast charger. I will though , highlight that the fast charger is optimized for the S6 battery and the battery is optimized for it , so there is no harm in keeping the charger plugged in.

You can't damage the battery if you leave it on all night. All phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.

Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current. This is a much safer approach for increasing the power transfer from charger to phone. As it is primarily the amperage that increases thermal output etc.
Although the phone will get warm initially while charging, all phones will. But when the battery reaches full capacity, the battery circuit actually says "okie dokie. I've got what I need now. Let's just trickle charge to keep me full till my boss is ready" and hardly any power will flow through, and the temperature will drop.
Actually makes me wonder about setting up a temp/time monitor while charging to see exactly what happens and when now :3
But as others have said, both charger and battery are optimised for it, and it is plenty safe enough. It's what I do!
There is also nothing stopping you using any other (safe and preferably branded) 5v 1A charger. It will just charge slower. Much like what you are already used to. 3-4 hours instead of 1-1.5ish hours.

solitarymonkey said:
Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current.
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Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.

Sallyty said:
Battery life depends on the number of repeated charge and discharge, so should avoid charging the battery is more than power, it will shorten the battery life.
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I'm not really sure what you mean by " so should avoid charging the battery is more than power", but battery lifespan in lithium batteries is decreased by FULL discharges and recharges. The best possible routine for making lithium batteries last is to charge early and often. And as genetichazzard pointed out, there is circuitry included that stops the charging (or trickles it) once it reaches full charge.
"Rapid charging", in general, will cost you life in batteries, but that is usually in reference to 4A-6A rapid charging, where this new Samsung charger still does not exceed 2A. I trust their battery engineers. They've one of two things: they have either engineered the batteries and chargers to last in their first sealed body phone, or they are trying to screw us by making a battery/charging system that will force us to pay for a costly battery replacement. They won't stay in business much longer if they go the second route.

flu13 said:
Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.
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I have no idea of the complexities in the technology, or how the phone itself deals with the current from the charger. But I looked at the fast charger that came with my s6 last night, and it is rated like this;
9V 1.67A
5V 2A
The 9V output provides a 15W of power, whereas the the 5V output provides 10W of power.
And after a little bit of reading (can't site my source now as I forgot the website), it is the current that generates heat in the components (such as wires).
So by upping the voltage, the charger is able to transfer more energy to the phone safer than if manufacturers continued to just increase the current.
There will be a smart switching method of some sort within the charger to go from the 5V circuit to the 9V circuit, with a slightly higher resistance to drop the current.
And before I ramble on without making much sense, that is what I have learnt
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Sallyty said:
I think you are right,Maybe phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.
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You are right. Chargers and rechargeable batteries as a whole have been getting "more intelligent" over recent years.
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.

solitarymonkey said:
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.
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Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.

DevonSloan said:
Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.
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Thanks for the link/info. A while after I said all that, I started thinking that it can't be right.
The phone does the regulation, but I'm pretty they (the batteries) do have an integrated chip for health stuff.
Cheers again for the correction!

Battery Estimate declined significantly seemingly after using USB headset adapter.

So I got an adapter to use a wired headset with my phone, it's one of those that allows for both headphone use and charging, though you need to plug in both, but I notice after I tested them out, my estimated battery drain declined all the way down to 9 hours remaining from a charge of 89 percent.
It used to be anywhere from 23 hours to a whole day, did I just break my battery? I'm not in a position where i can replace it if it goes wrong, especially since I just got this a month ago.
Checked it and it doesn't show any apps sucking power, I also disabled various bloatwares to make sure it would run smoothly.
I only had this phone since December and I made sure to charge it when needed, keeping it at around 40-80% charge as much as I could.
Phone is a OnePlus 8 5G, battery drain before was about a whole day before I needed to charge unless I were watching videos, and even with that it still lasted a good while.

It's not a good idea to use and charge the phone as it disrupts the charging curve*. If the screen is off and the device power usage is minimal like listening to music on bt does not interfere with normal charging, at least on my 10+.
Give the phone it's quiet time to charge.
Limit charges to 80% preferable 70% and discharges to 30% preferably 40% to maximize battery life.
Avoid going under 20% or full charges to 100% as it needlessly stresses the battery.
Li's love short, frequent midrange usage like from 40-65%
Li's hate high heat (>100°F) and high cell voltages ie >90% charge.
Avoid charging below 72°F as it can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade it.
Never attempt to charge if below 32°F.
*if you're drawing power whilst charging the device you can not gauge its actual battery capacity. It will charge much slower or maybe not at all.
Stop that you!
Take a 10 or 15 minute break and let get it take a charge.

blackhawk said:
It's not a good idea to use and charge the phone as it disrupts the charging curve. If the screen is off and the device power usage is minimal like listening to music on bt does not interfere with normal charging, at least on my 10+.
Give the phone it's quiet time to charge.
Limit charges to 80% preferable 70% and discharges to 30% preferably 40% to maximize battery life.
Avoid going under 20% or full charges to 100% as it needlessly stresses the battery.
Li's love short, frequent midrange usage like from 40-65%
Li's hate high heat (>100°F) and high cell voltages ie >90% charge.
Avoid charging below 72°F as it can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade it.
Never attempt to charge if below 32°F.
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I don't use it when it's charging, it's a OnePlus with warp charging so I let it sit until it's either full or usually at around the 80 range.
It seemed fine until I tried using this headset adapter, I don't know if these can break the battery in any way so i don't know if just using this messed something up.

MarkiMarko2221 said:
I don't use it when it's charging, it's a OnePlus with warp charging so I let it sit until it's either full or usually at around the 80 range.
It seemed fine until I tried using this headset adapter, I don't know if these can break the battery in any way so i don't know if just using this messed something up.
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If you have fast charging just use the standard fast charging cable to charge it not the daul use one.
The latter may not be recognized by the phone for fast charging, if so it will default to slow charging.

blackhawk said:
If you have fast charging just use the standard fast charging cable to charge it not the daul use one.
The latter may not be recognized by the phone for fast charging, if so it will default to slow charging.
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Warp Charging works yeah, I'm returning the headset cable and replacing it, since i don't know if it messed my system up, and aside from that it's clunky to use.
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It was this thing.
do you think my battery is just messed up at this point or is it fine? Battery estimates used to show 23 hours to a whole day, but now it's down to 9 hours so I don't know if that messed up my battery somehow.

I doubt it messed up the battery especially if it's been only a week or whatever.
More than likely it's a misbehaving apk(s) causing the drain.
If your battery's rated capacity is 1000 mAh and you're only getting 400 mAh out of it, then you have a battery issue. How long it can run doesn't reflect battery condition unless the load is the same as before. So you need to scrutinize it further before making the assumption the battery has deteriorated.
I use two overlay apks (Accubattery is one) that let me see total current draw in near real time. I'm running Pie and doubt these will run in Q.
At idle my draw is an average of 150 ma or so with lows going down to 79 ma. If I see it averaging 300 ma with spikes going to 800 ma at idle I go looking for the cause.

How's your battery capacity holding up after some use with the 65w charging?

Looking at buying this phone but I'd like to know how the battery life holds up over time with the fast charging. What kind of screen off time do you get after 6 months or a year of using the phone?

I've had it for a year and I have charged it with a slow 1 Amp charger every night. I only use the 65w charger maybe once a month. I haven't had any issues.

I've had the phone for almost a year and I charge it with the 65w charger every day. No issues, battery lasts for as long as it did when it was new.

954wrecker said:
I've had the phone for almost a year and I charge it with the 65w charger every day. No issues, battery lasts for as long as it did when it was new.
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@baxtex
Yeah I just got my 8T today. I did more research and found out they use multiple temperature sensors that will trigger the device to charge slower if it's overheating. They also use 2 batteries in the phone to prevent this heat from happening under normal charging conditions. If it was in the sun or in a very warm room or something I'm pretty sure it would throttle itself based on some of the reviews I found on it. You might have to have adaptive charging on for this but I would assume it's just more aggressive than the regular protections. Pretty sure you could explode your battery with 65w charging in direct sunlight on a hot day. Anyways I think 1A charging is overkill for protecting it. 1A is also not actually not a measurement of current unless you have the volts also. If it's 5V which I think all usb is but I haven't checked since usb-c came out that would be 5 watts. I guess if you leave it on that overnight it doesn't matter though not like it'll hurt anything.

Question How do you charge your phone?

Question!
How do you charge your phone? What type of charging do you have selected?
-fast charging
-super fast charging.
I use a 25W charger and I have super fast chargers selected. I try to charge the phone in the range from 30% to 85%. I also have the battery protection option selected

I always use wireless charging, and I place it on the charger when I go to bed, and pick it up when I get up, as I have for the previous S20 Ultra, and before that the S10+, and the S5 before that. I have never had a battery problem, don't baby it, use it!

Osushi said:
Question!
How do you charge your phone? What type of charging do you have selected?
-fast charging
-super fast charging.
I use a 25W charger and I have super fast chargers selected. I try to charge the phone in the range from 30% to 85%. I also have the battery protection option selected
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I use the 45W (SUPER FAST CHARGING 2.0) and of course enable all options for battery health.

larryk said:
I always use wireless charging, and I place it on the charger when I go to bed, and pick it up when I get up, as I have for the previous S20 Ultra, and before that the S10+, and the S5 before that. I have never had a battery problem, don't baby it, use it!
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I do the same as you. Have wireless charger on my bedside table and one in my car. That's all I use and don't worry about battery dying on me.

I bought an Anker 45W charger, and I have a question.
On my first days, should I use it or use a normal charger? Use health protection or not?
After those few days, I have a meross Smart Power strip , WIFI, that I can schedule each plug individually, even the USB ports. I usually put 2 hours charging for my actual phone and 1 hour for my Galaxy Watch 4. Is this ok? Can I keep the 2 hours for the s22 ultra or reduce the time, since I'll use a 45w?
Thanks for the advice!

I plug it into a 25 watt charger at night. Unplug it when I wake up. Charge as needed throughout the day.

Currently on my 3 year old Note 9, awaiting delivery of my S22U, as with previous phones, I disable fast charging, if the phone has the feature, as it generally isn't good for battery life expectancy. I always plan to keep my phone longer than the one or two years many people do, so battery health/life is important to me. I have a timer-socket adapter, like this, I use for through-the-night charging, whereby, I set a timer duration, depending on the battery level at bedtime. I'll perhaps set the timer to be on and charging the phone between 4 & 5:30am. Apart from the first few charging cycles of a new phone, I don't like to fully charge/discharge the phone often, only occasionally. I top the charge up during the day, if need be, in the car etc but I never use wireless charging even though my car has the ability to. I'll probably start using the wireless charging with my S22U though, as not using it probably doesn't lengthen the expectancy by much. I appreciate battery charging technology has improved greatly recently, I'm just stuck in my ways I guess.

Everybody is talking about charging the phone between 20% and 80% but what about the result? What would the capacity of the phone be in the end of three years of usage if someone charges his phone in that range? and another thing, when you charge your phone, from 20% to 80%, you charge your phone more often than compared to 0-100%. It's said that If you charge your phone more often it's battery will wear off faster, in the other hand you will charge it less with 0-100 but this time your battery will wear of faster because of the known reasons. I'm a bit confused here. Is there any data compares the result of the both cycles after some time?

Baseus 65W GAN charging brick. Bixby Routines set to disable super fast charging at night and enable Battery Protection. I have another automation that reverses that before my wake up alwarm so it's still full when I wake up but stressed the battery less.