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Steve Kondik Leaves Cyanogen - CM to Reorangize?

Things have been interesting for Cyanogen at best lately, but it things maybe get even more interesting for Cyanogenmod soon:
[Updated] Steve Kondik blames Kirt McMaster for Cyanogen Inc's failure, CyanogenMod to reorganize and regroup (Android Police Link)
Some of the article above, I'm sure is Steve, venting, but below is a quote from the article above:
A big part of "next" is CM. It costs a lot of money to keep the servers running at this scale, and I figure we have about two months to GTFO. There are also IP issues. And the haters are getting to be too much to handle. On the other hand, it's been a huge part of my life for 8 years now and I don't want to let go of it.
A few questions for the community first..
1. Should we keep going? Is it worth it? I'm sure I can crowdfund the project, especially if we did something like "Darkside" and really revitalized it. I'm not sure of the endgame yet, though.
2. The main IP is the brand and trademarks. I don't know if I can get it back without a fight, and I'm tired of fighting. We will likely need to fork and rebrand, which might not be a bad thing. Would you support it?
3. If we reboot, what should we do differently?
4. The rest of the ROM community seems to be highly dependent on us, but simultaneously wants us dead. How on earth do you fix this?
5. WWJBQD?
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It is an interesting read.

Meh. CM's been dead to me for quite a while anyways, but hope everything gets figured out
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Is it me or am I the only one that is surprised by the fact that this is not front-paged on this site?
For most custom ROM "normies" who don't use anything other than Cyanogen(Mod), this is pretty major news.

aha360 said:
Is it me or am I the only one that is surprised by the fact that this is not front-paged on this site?
For most custom ROM "normies" who don't use anything other than Cyanogen(Mod), this is pretty major news.
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Before I posted this I looked all over for some sort of coverage on this, as I figured there would be something. I can't believe there is still nothing. I realize there has always been drama at Cyanogen, but this is starting to look like it might actually affect Cyanogenmod.

OhioYJ said:
Before I posted this I looked all over for some sort of coverage on this, as I figured there would be something. I can't believe there is still nothing. I realize there has always been drama at Cyanogen, but this is starting to look like it might actually affect Cyanogenmod.
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I'm actually thinking the same thing, now that Steve Kondik has left the sinking ship.
People can say what they want about Cyanogen(Mod) all they want, and all the bad things said about them would be accurate, but sadly, this might be a major, perhaps negative, change for the Android enthusiast/hobbyist scene.

And on Slashdot today....:
All Cyanogen Services Are Shutting Down
From that link:
A very brief post on Cyanogen's blog says it all really: "As part of the ongoing consolidation of Cyanogen, all services and Cyanogen-supported nightly builds will be discontinued no later than 12/31/16. The open source project and source code will remain available for anyone who wants to build CyanogenMod personally.
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Security in custom roms.

Has anyone thought of or been concerned about the security of flashing a custom rom?
What I'm asking is do you think a developer would include malicious code in a rom to possibly steal private information or spy on the owner of the device?
Not being an expert in coding or android developer I have no idea if it is possible. I'm sure it could be done in app development.

melp57 said:
Has anyone thought of or been concerned about the security of flashing a custom rom?
What I'm asking is do you think a developer would include malicious code in a rom to possibly steal private information or spy on the owner of the device?
Not being an expert in coding or android developer I have no idea if it is possible. I'm sure it could be done in app development.
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It can be done pretty easily. Just a simple app baked into the rom will give out all your info.
To be safe just be sure what you flash on the phone.

melp57 said:
Has anyone thought of or been concerned about the security of flashing a custom rom?
What I'm asking is do you think a developer would include malicious code in a rom to possibly steal private information or spy on the owner of the device?
Not being an expert in coding or android developer I have no idea if it is possible. I'm sure it could be done in app development.
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This could be done quite easily... and it would be almost undetectable to the average enthusiast.
That said, I have never heard of it being done before. For the most part the source code for these ROMs is easily accessible so it would likely be caught and most developers know that. This would be a good reason not to download and flash random ROMs from questionable sources though, stick with ones that have a known support structure here or elsewhere.

acejavelin said:
This could be done quite easily... and it would be almost undetectable to the average enthusiast.
That said, I have never heard of it being done before. For the most part the source code for these ROMs is easily accessible so it would likely be caught and most developers know that. This would be a good reason not to download and flash random ROMs from questionable sources though, stick with ones that have a known support structure here or elsewhere.
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Good point. I trust the main developers we have around here and on G+. Probably more dangerous Downloading from the play store. I'm sure Google doesn't catch everything, or if it's even possible to.
Thanks for the reply.

On XDA I doubt it would happen.
I am more concerned about getting the continual security patches that google puts out. I know LineageOS just went to Feb 05, but don't know if the other ROMs try to keep up.

OnePlus 6 Development Rate

Hey guys,
Just curious as this is the first time I've been around for a new device release and I'm used to getting a device long after developers have had them for quite a while.
Not that I'm complaining - but is this the usual rate of development for a new device?
Really appreciate all the great work you guys do! If I can help with anything let me know

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Hey guys,
Just curious as this is the first time I've been around for a new device release and I'm used to getting a device long after developers have had them for quite a while.
Not that I'm complaining - but is this the usual rate of development for a new device?
Really appreciate all the great work you guys do! If I can help with anything let me know
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Was just mentioning this is Telegram. I am aware of 4 kernels and 1 ROM being developed (not all yet available). I think with A/B partitions it's taking a little longer for development to start as we don't have an official TWRP yet (and I mean this in comparison to OP5) but if you're looking for a device with good developers support, you won't go wrong with the OP6.
Sent from my OnePlus6 using XDA Labs

it's barely been a full week since the first orders were delivered so come back in a month.

I would report your thread and have it locked before the lazy keyboard warrior nerds come around to argue with you. I tried to ask what stage of development we're in and of course it was immediately interpreted as demanding an exact timeline of when we'll have ROMs and crap. Had to report-to-lock my own thread because people were acting unbelievably childish. The funny thing is even the mod who responded to the report seemed to be sick of the users' crap on here.

I would say this isn't anything unusual given the challenges of developing for this specific device. Many phones go weeks or months before even getting root. OP is dev-friendly, of course, but the A/B partition issues and other things are slowing roll-out a bit.

iElvis said:
I would say this isn't anything unusual given the challenges of developing for this specific device. Many phones go weeks or months before even getting root. OP is dev-friendly, of course, but the A/B partition issues and other things are slowing roll-out a bit.
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Thanks being understanding
I'm definitely not demanding nor expecting - but am willing to help where I can.
Your post answers exactly all I wanted to know - just wanted the opinion of someone who has been around a few new device forums to see what is and isn't normal.
It looks to me (from your post) like development is moving along pretty nicely then considering how new the device is/new challenges involved.
Again really appreciate the non confrontational reply.

rav101 said:
Was just mentioning this is Telegram. I am aware of 4 kernels and 1 ROM being developed (not all yet available). I think with A/B partitions it's taking a little longer for development to start as we don't have an official TWRP yet (and I mean this in comparison to OP5) but if you're looking for a device with good developers support, you won't go wrong with the OP6.
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I missed your reply initially! Really informative as well thank you
What 4 kernels are those? I know of Chewie/CleanSlate and Franken kernel?
Also if you don't mind me asking what ROM do you know of?

TheNetwork said:
I would report your thread and have it locked before the lazy keyboard warrior nerds come around to argue with you. I tried to ask what stage of development we're in and of course it was immediately interpreted as demanding an exact timeline of when we'll have ROMs and crap. Had to report-to-lock my own thread because people were acting unbelievably childish. The funny thing is even the mod who responded to the report seemed to be sick of the users' crap on here.
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Interesting! I hope people can quite clearly see I'm not expecting nor am I entitled to anything.
Just trying to gauge something I have no experience of from other people who have more experience.
Last phone I had was a OnePlus One... I got it many months after release due to the whole invite only thing and development was already pretty insane by the time I got one in my hands

silent08 said:
Thanks being understanding
I'm definitely not demanding nor expecting - but am willing to help where I can.
Your post answers exactly all I wanted to know - just wanted the opinion of someone who has been around a few new device forums to see what is and isn't normal.
It looks to me (from your post) like development is moving along pretty nicely then considering how new the device is/new challenges involved.
Again really appreciate the non confrontational reply.
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People can be testy about these kinds of questions because they are sometimes asked in a much more disrespectful/entitled tone.
To be honest, I think development is moving along pretty well, and certainly faster than what I'm used to from HTC phones (which are a different dev situation).

silent08 said:
I missed your reply initially! Really informative as well thank you
What 4 kernels are those? I know of Chewie/CleanSlate and Franken kernel?
Also if you don't mind me asking what ROM do you know of?
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Those three plus Flar. I keep an eye on GitHub and can see that he has created a OP6 repo though it was empty last time I looked.
Sent from my OnePlus6 using XDA Labs

Concerning the ROM development after so many months

Hello to all.
First, let me say that I am opening this thread with good attitude and in no way I disrespect the hard work from the guys that provide ROMS for our device. But I need to point out a few things in short.
My impression over the months with this device has been a mix of feelings.
I am sorry if I am missing crucial stuff that are behind the doors of development but my feeling as a member in XDA over so many years, is that Mi A1 developers lack seriously in communication and teamwork.
I am tired lately to see Pie ROMS going from bad to worse and crucial functions of the phone to go into the bug list.
Fingerprint - LTE bands - Playstore safety integrity and many more that everyone can read all over the place.
I have also noticed that most devs want to showoff more on the appearance side of the phone rather than stability-battery life and solid most used apps function.
95% of the users want 4 things mostly and these are the ones to focus
1) no battery drain
2) a decent camera app with no problems since hardware delivers
3) fingerprint functionality
4) other sensors working with no conflicts
I just want to point out the lack of communication and teamwork over serious matters. You solve these first then you customize ROMS to the needs you want to cover.
So many bugged ROMS and literally 0 bug-free rom.
Please be thorough on the discussion and don't flame over devs work. Just discuss how we can solve the problems and get finally a decent bug-free ROM.

Take this crap out

I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.

joeyhuab said:
I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.

joeyhuab said:
I would like to see a non-dev try to make a ROM and hear this feedback and see how they react to it.
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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?

Something to add that worries me more.

greekfragma said:
dunno why you take it the hard way. I have expressed my gratitude for ROM devs and I always appreciate your hard work and give feedback whenever I can.
your reply is showing disgrace to average users. Ok so we are not into developing ROMS. we are just testing and using your efforts. why does that have to be something to point out in a bad way?
I am just pointing out that we have so many ROM releases every 2-3 weeks and the results are buggier and buggier ROMS.
You clearly see that Pie stage has brought to all devs problems. Instead of releasing every 2 weeks ROMS individually , why don't you try to discuss together the main problems, find solutions and then try to implement the solutions to your ROMS.
Instead of teamwork over serious bugs, you just focus each on your own work with minor fixes over different builds and every Xiaomi update refreshes the same problems again and again.
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See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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Would you help out if someone needed your expertise?
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I answer mostly on Telegram and yes, I give assistance to people asking for help when I have the time.

joeyhuab said:
See the problem here is other devs don't want to cooperate. Me, Abhi and Moun are actually conversing regarding how to fix the bugs. Flex and Khusika help out too but they're too busy at times. Other devs keep their resources closed and don't share device trees which in turn gives out more bugs instead of allowing all ROMs to have similar fixes altogether. I'm not replying in a bad light. I'm actually curious what a non-dev would react to all complaints knowing other devs wouldn't help out and cooperate.
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this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?

greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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I don't wanna mention names as I can no longer speak regarding the issues between me and some other developer in the community. All I can say right now is I'm taking over Official Pixel Experience while Abhi gets his Mi A1's motherboard replaced.

I found this...
greekfragma said:
this is exactly why this thread has started.
I find the lack of cooperation has a direct impact on the community results and it clearly shows as I stated above. If you guys think you have to say something publicly about others compromising your work you should do it. The community has eyes and sees which devs really try to help the community and which devs are clearly for their own profit.
can you also comment on the picture I attached on previous post?
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There's surely some great and cooperative devs. I have had some kind of interaction with Maun, CosmicDan and flex who were really helpful along the way! I was just halfway through developing my own kernel! And then I had to cancel the project for my illness and lack of knowledge about development! And yes, I couldn't even setup a build environment myself! Maun sincerely helped me on that! When I was successful building 2-3 revision then I got the mental illness along with physical illness! So, although I had the passion of learning and developing Android things, I had to abandon my project! At least for the time being! But there's another reason behind it! There's so much advanced kernels already there! I am even seeing 4.9s (I worked on the 3.18s)! So why I would release another ill-developed/built kernel?!? So I kept it to myself!
But the thing is despite being genius and genuinely helpful devs, they can't always be that helpful! As they got other things in life!
But what you and joey pointed out is very disappointed thing! It always doesn't need to all about yourself (those devs you are talking about) like most of this post of mine!
But if you leave them behind, you'll find that Xiaomi is trying to cause every possible problem as they always do!
So, adapting to these changes eventually takes time! I myself needed approximately one and a half month just to add spectrum support even with help! Couldn't even release that version for some anomaly and random reboots!
But I am not a real developer! Never claimed to be!
But making the source closed?!? That's too far! I have no idea what they are trying to do!
BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
So the summary of the story is, they are too focused on their own things despite being helpful or they are not willing to share their fixes simply because they don't want to or is it because can't communicate for their own business!
But again, closing the sources is just...
Even some members/devs will focus and complain about my ending every sentence with an exclamation (!) rather than focusing on the bugs causing constant problems to the userbase!

ProttoyX said:
BTW, I was hauling for the front camera RAW capture bug on Oreo! (And that's the reason behind my working for a kernel! I knew it's stupid and premature!) But someone told me it's not possible for a mid range phone! But now in Pie, it can capture RAW images with the front camera on every camera2 apps! First I noticed on Serjo87 build! (That's the first GCam app I used on Pie) And I thought it was Serjo87 who could make it! But soon I realized that every other apps can do the same!
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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?

In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.

sipollo said:
In my opinion porting 4.9 Kernel to Mi A1 was a big and remarkable success, but it has introduced more bugs to fix.
I don't see a huge difference in terms of performance and battery life.
Newer custom ROMs are on 4.9 kernel, so I had to lose ALL apps using HAL1 camera (mainly stock camera).
I'd like to see a fully customizable ROM with 3.18 Kernel and bug-free, but i don't think it's available at this moment.
Just my 2 cents.
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This. Despite all the ROM threads, only 1 or 2 Pie ROM's can be used as daily drivers. Almost all the 4.9 ROM's need latest FW which is breaking features like VoLTE, Fingerprint etc (This is due to Xiaomi's fault and I know that too). I was more than satisfied with the Oreo ROM's but I haven't been able to go back after using Pie. From all the ROM's I have flashed only Bootleggers Pie ROM, which has some bugs which are tolerable, and Revenge OS Pie (which I'm using right now, but it lacks customizations) are completely stable (on November Firmware).
I'm just waiting for Xiaomi to fix the mess they have caused so I can settle on a 4.9 kernel ROM. I don't care about HAL1, I only use GCam.

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Can other raw camera app can capture raw with front cam in 9? Other than gcam? Without green tint?
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Open Camera and it's forks are confirmed!
GCam 5.x.x also confirmed!
GCam 6.x.x confirmed but has green tint on of them!
BTW, you may know it, GCam 5.x.x don't have green tint on front cam! I use Arnova and fu24 versions!

I am gonna repost this here with the permission of @joeyhuab
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78681040&postcount=132
joeyhuab said:
Just a heads up. PE team has removed Tissot Pie from the official list of devices. Their team is really dedicated to dropping Tissot support due to Saksham having Abhi kicked from PE Maintainers group due to having a broken device while Saksham himself no longer has a Mi A1.
I don't really see why Abhinav being kicked was a proper thing to do as he will still have his Tissot repaired while the guy that got him kicked from the PE maintainers group asks for donations to "start" development on another device (daisy/fajita).
I'm not one to comment on this whole thing but it's really getting out of hand and I no longer want to be associated with their dev team until this debacle is resolved. I will stick to building unofficial builds while Official status for Tissot is up in the air as we really don't know what Jhenrique and friends want to decide to do.
I don't want any part of the official status any longer after what they did to Abhinav.
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what a mess

Tissot lost another developer. I quit.

It's not something that could be remedied easily. Tissot developers going away from this simply means that not everything is as good as it might look. Despite some success with 4.9 kernel, some devs are having a hard time fixing some issues, which might seem to be obvious. That for sure brings anxiety and frustration for one, since after so much time being able to fix one really small issue (looking from a practical standpoint) brings dissapointment. I don't complain, since I no longer develop anything, reason being for that is simple - no time left to spare for that. Maybe one day I'll get to that, once I settle down some of my personal concerns, which are holding me back.
I respect every developer doing this job for a better cause and contributing to others, because they want it so. And those, who continously complain about everything shouldn't even be here in the first place. Nothing is perfect, ever. If someone is willing to do something here, rather than complain about everything - do something useful, contribute in some way or another, it's just the way I got into development, being totally green and unaware of so many things. Starting from small steps and going up with every minute ticking. Live and learn.

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Tissot lost another developer. I quit.
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@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.

greekfragma said:
@joeyhuab I am pretty sad about your decision but I have to respect it.
If it is possible to give us some information of what went wrong and you also decided to quit. Only the facts and just the facts. No intention to argue.
I am not sure if there is anyone out there willing to continue your efforts.
If there is no hope I will completely understand and will no further comment on this thread. It just seems kinda weird since this device had so much potential on hardware specs and Pie releases were very impressive until latest month.
I hope for the best in the near future and feel free to contact me through private messages if you want to discuss further.
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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.

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One guy ruined it for me. That's all I can comment.
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I understand your decision. It is really hard to feel that such a capable phone is being dropped from PE support.I firstly flashed the rom when Saksham was the dev of PE. I liked it so much, I could not go to stock ever again.But it feels like a punch to see 3 devs dropping update support, and letting a capable phone with thousands of people flashing it drop in the void. Now I need to go back to stock, worse version of Android..It's my only option because I'm scared to flash another custom rom on my non-trebelized Tissot.
Your updates were so fast, felt stable and with necessary features.It really turned a Tissot into Pixel 3.
I feel sad for this mess that happened throughout 4 months.I never expected such a good dev like you leaving tissot, but it's your decision and I can't change it.
How to return to Xiaomi stock android 9.0 (no firmware flashed in TWRP with PE rom, no treble, bootloader unlocked)?
Goodbye, Pixel Experience....It felt so good to have a Pixel 3 in my hands, but it was suddenly dropped into void....
You will always remain in my heart, 16th january 2019 build, you will always remain in my mind, devs, for your great work throughout those 4 beautiful months.
Thank you...

General Nameless seems to have returned. Let's not have a repeat of last time. Read comments, ask for help, be respectful and thankful.

Ultra Mega Edit... Edit: Nameless appears to be back. As to not have a repeat of last time, I am going to say something that most of you will reply to with "yeah, duh."
If you need help with any ROM (and you read all the comments) just ask in the thread of said project. SO many great people here are always willing to help others. Just be respectful.
Remember, maintainers aren't in this for the money (but please feel free to donate to the projects you feel bring value to your life) so keep that in mind, if you ever feel like you are losing your composure/ ability to act like an adult.
You can criticize respectfully and disagree respectfully, but there's never a need to be rude here. We're all here for the same reason and lucky to have so many developers offering us options beyond OOS.
Even if you donate, that doesn't give you the right to treat anyone like they "owe you." People like that are the same type of jerks that treat service industry employees sub-par (and everyone thinks people that do that are a-holes, don't make anyone think you are an a-hole.)
Now let's all kiss and enjoy all the wonderful ROM options in the OP9 scene at this moment.
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Edit: this isn't a call-out to harass ANYONE. it's just a ROM. let's just talk like adults? Yeah?
Also, added photos in case it gets nuked or buried by newer posts and hard to find.
Lastly, This is no judgement against staff doing what a user requested with their own thread.
In the end, The Maintainer can do or decide not to do whatever they feel.
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I guess this can be a place for current Nameless OS users can come and discuss their potential replacements or any assistance they may need.
I updated both back to back OTA's last night and it seems to be functional, but with him more concerned about closing the thread and having it locked than any communication on why, I fear there may be issues that suggest anyone on nameless should get on anything else ASAP.
loved the ROM but this move is a little beyond the pale.

As for ROM replacements, I havent a clue. I am not looking into it today. My only "must have" is Google Phone with AI call screening. I recently found a moded apk install of it that doesn't even require a magisk module or messing with google services cache.
I have to scan it with hybrid analysis, virus total and maybe look through Alien Vault to assure its safe. After that, I would be more than happy sharing its info here.
I also know i dont want to go back to OOS or just Lineage itself. I see several options and will definitely be checking them out on a less busy day.
Hope everyone is doing well.

Part of the messages and one of the reasons, for anyone wondering.
Some people just can't hold it back. There was an issue with a build that made some people factory reset, setup their device again, so they got angry, directly in the dev's chat...Bo-ho.

ekin_strops said:
Part of the messages and one of the reasons, for anyone wondering.
Some people just can't hold it back. There was an issue with a build that made some people factory reset, setup their device again, so they go angry...Bo-ho.
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So just newer people complaining about how the information about C62 requirement was handled?
I agree, the information could have been communicated a bit better BUT, there was at least a month long/5 pages of people discussing it, helping with precise requirements and details to assure a functional deployment.
I even wrote a whole how to based on the information smarter people helped me figure out in previous posts.
in the end, the person was doing us a favor for free, and they probably felt they were being preached to and complained at more than thanked / tipped.
I see both sides, but hope everyone agrees Chandu has never and will never owe us anything, regardless how the ending of support makes you feel. If anything, I fear this community, including myself, should have tried to show more appreciation and bring up concerns a little more elegantly. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but it's what I feel at this moment.
Thanks for the insight @ekin_strops

At least i wasn't ignored. Insulted, but not ignored. Gotta look on the bright side.
im on CrDroid, lets you manage your own GApps with Nik. you will need to flash 3 newer btfo, vendor_boot and vendor images, but its pretty easy.
Just follow the how-to.

It's disappointing. I was so excited to see new updates for this ROM. Since it was the only one for the 9 that has a lot of customization..
I'm going to wait on this ROM for a month or two before trying something else.. I just hope the 9 isn't dead for custom ROM scene because I bought this phone purely for modding purposes. Might have to go back to my OnePlus nord.

Ill preface this by saying, they didn't owe us anything and can do whatever they please, but with that being said, they had subpar communication skills regarding updates and the requirements to carry them out. if it wernt for other users, i wouldn't have got up and running.
Also the last build had serious issues with locking/unlocking and battery drain issues. Before the comment from ekin above, i really bet on them just quitting for being way over their head. Not technically, they are obviously more than capable and very much so, at that. i mean work load.
that paired with his temper tantrum fueled rage-quitting and calling a whole community "stupid retards" its fair to say users are better off on relying on something more stable (OS and Developer wise)

best rom out there is now gone

Such a shame really as it really was one of the best roms I tried along with CrDroid. I'm glad I'm not on it anymore. I had nothing but issues with the 62 firmware and had to go back to OOS. Luckily my apps were backed up via Swift Backup. I couldn't get any help myself.

Glad that I went back to OOS because it would suck to have to switch ROMs again. Honestly I understand why the dev got ticked off, it is ungrateful people like that which keep me from really diving into development (as I already had to deal with it with another community where I made the mistake of getting involved), but I mean I didn't really see anything all that bad, just some people expressing their frustration at having to reset their devices. It's a time consuming process and I would have had to vent somewhere about it too. What's more likely is that this is something that has been building up for awhile with 9 users and that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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It's disappointing. I was so excited to see new updates for this ROM. Since it was the only one for the 9 that has a lot of customization..
I'm going to wait on this ROM for a month or two before trying something else.. I just hope the 9 isn't dead for custom ROM scene because I bought this phone purely for modding purposes. Might have to go back to my OnePlus nord.
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untestefeveryGlad that I went back to OOS because it would suck to have to switch ROMs again. Honestly I understand why the dev got ticked off, it is ungrateful people like that which keep me from really diving into development (as I already had to deal with it with another community where I made the mistake of getting involved), but I mean I didn't really see anything all that bad, just some people expressing their frustration at having to reset their devices. It's a time consuming process and I would have had to vent somewhere about it too. What's more likely is that this is something that has been building up for awhile with 9 users and that was the straw that broke the camel'I get it itoo, but at the same time, he was blind building OP9 this whole time and didnt make that clear in the announcement thread.
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if he would have made it clear to the userbase that his main support was OP9pro because that was the phone he and that OP9, im confident he wouldnt have got his feelsing hurt so much.
Hell, Im sure users would have volunteered to assist on testing with theirs.
****, if I knew that, I would have just followed the nameless pro thread , reported errors with the pretense and understanding he doesn't even have the same device to test on and people would have had. amkre "take it or leave it" approach. .
Instead. He built both while only having the means to test/dev properly for one and didnt feel that was information. The users might have benfieted from knowing about.
But again, that goes right back to poor communication skills. We got release notes and then not much else.
The thread is up, people can go see how little is there, how he didn't make it clear he wasnt even OP9 user, which is just Rich.
I'm sorry, but to go this long with a consistant issue commuicating important details and then rage quit when people ask for a little release etiquette is low. all he had to do was comminicate the facts of the situation, it makes his rage quit and childish name calling all that more pathetic.

This is how custom ROM development has always been. A new android version is released, and a lot of time is spent getting it to boot, then ironing out the issues and fixing bugs, features get ported / merged over from the previous android version, new bugs crop up, those get worked on, and right around the time it's almost perfect, a new android version drops, and the process starts over. Sometimes the cycle doesn't even make it that far and the next android version gets moved onto before the last versions issues got fixed. A custom rom will almost always have some small issue / quirk / bug that hasn't gotten worked out yet. This is also part of what makes it fun to me. I'm altering the way the device was intended to operate by the manufacturer many times against their wishes. That's why they typically try to prevent it. We're on the cutting edge, and dealing with the issues is part of it. I don't believe making 12L custom ROMs rock solid is going to happen, A13 is right there. It probably won't be long and we'll be running A13 ROMs, and y'all can whine about that. Resetting the phone has always been a part of this, sometimes unforseen, so have measures in place to prevent data loss.

Hey @applyscience, I am not sure if this thread is the best to ask you this.
I noticed you have been testing basically every ROM for our beloved OP9 and you ended up on PEX as the best all-around ROM so far.
My question is, I just noticed on the StagOS thread that the files had been updated but no comments from the DEV on that nor any mention on the OP9 on the official StagOS website doesn't even mention it.
Did you end up testing StagOS too?
I am a bit skeptical about testing the ROM because I can't find any further information on the development state of this ROM.

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Hey @applyscience, I am not sure if this thread is the best to ask you this.
I noticed you have been testing basically every ROM for our beloved OP9 and you ended up on PEX as the best all-around ROM so far.
My question is, I just noticed on the StagOS thread that the files had been updated but no comments from the DEV on that nor any mention on the OP9 on the official StagOS website doesn't even mention it.
Did you end up testing StagOS too?
I am a bit skeptical about testing the ROM because I can't find any further information on the development state of this ROM.
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I am currently on stag is 13 beta.
Came from pixel experience 12.1 crdroid and stag seem to be the best maintained on oneplus9 right now.
Stag 13 is barebones (hence beta) but its solid. Just lacks a little customization options, nothing bad for my use. Its honestly very impressive work by the maintainer
I took the 13 route because every 12.1 ROM had battery issues for me, even with debloating and kernel tweaks.
Have only been on 13 for half a day so I can't say, but the A13 added features makes me concerned it won't be a huge difference with battery.
Either way, I would def check stag or crdroid

Has anyone successfuly dirty flashed any other rom over nameless? I understand that it's not "advisable" and you won't get any support. But has any one successfuly booted an other rom over nameless?

derpfest, nameless, oneplus 9 just seems like the phone that attracts ragequitters

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derpfest, nameless, oneplus 9 just seems like the phone that attracts ragequitters
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Nameless came from derp, probably the same scene/people. Spent a few days as a lurker on the TGs and feel its honestly for the best that the bandid was ripped off sooner than later.
StagOS is killing it, on the 13 beta now and loving it. CrDroid is even keeping up with updates.
Both sides are better off now, I hope. I know OP9 is.

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OP9 support is back and thread will be reopened soon. I hope those toxic crybabies have learnt their lesson now.
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I thought it may come back and have been waiting...
keen to try it out again.
-lets hope that the people decide to keep it cool this time and don't piss off the Devs...

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OP9 support is back and thread will be reopened soon. I hope those toxic crybabies have learnt their lesson now.
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If the maintainer is still blind building OP9 off only having OP Pro, I'll just sit it out and monitor the situation.
Android 13 is screwy enough as is seeing as its in beta but its an enjoyable venture (and if hes still on A 12, which is probably a good idea, Im kinda hooked on A 13s process.)
Either way, great news. I'm just cautious.
Nameless was still the best until near the stoppage, would.love to see it rise back up to that point.

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9 pro and 9 are not that different. Everything working fine on 9. That maintainer is not some small dev. He brought oos cam to custom roms.
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i know, ive never downplayed his abilities or know how, the only criticism i ever have was how he quit last time and the lack of communication. That being said, NamelessOS was (i guess is? i don't have the latest yet) the best ROM and it was due to the decisions, additions and know how of the maintainer.
I mean, heck, Why do ya think I made this thread? Because losing Nameless meant something to me, as it did to a lot of us. Im just a "once bitten, twice shy" type of person. I hope its around for a while so I can move back to it and be stable and content again.