GSMArena's review just came out and they state that there is no option to capture raw files with this device.
That's sound very odd. Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks.
It's not true there is a option for pro mode which captures in raw
Their article said two things :
There's a Pro mode for those who want more control over the camera. It comes with adjustment sliders for white balance, exposure compensation, ISO, shutter speed, and focus. RAW capture is available as well, although HTC claims the majority of consumers don't use this feature.
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So, in camera PRO mode, RAW mode is here
Then,
We can almost overlook the absence of RAW, but it is signifficantly harder to swallow the fac that HTC's camera app does not offer the ability to change the frame rates that video is recorded in
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So this part is only about taking a video in RAW mode. This mode principally exists fir DSLR cameras, and if I don't mae mistake, never have been introduced on smartphones
The only regret I have with the camera PRO mode is that the U11 only takes RAW+JPG photo. You can't take RAW pictures only so .... we have to take care at the storage
Fre$h said:
Their article said two things :
So, in camera PRO mode, RAW mode is here
Then, So this part is only about taking a video in RAW mode. This mode principally exists fir DSLR cameras, and if I don't mae mistake, never have been introduced on smartphones
The only regret I have with the camera PRO mode is that the U11 only takes RAW+JPG photo. You can't take RAW pictures only so .... we have to take care at the storage
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Thanks for the clarification! Glad that raw capture is available on this phone.
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I searched for camera mods to allow for capturing of RAW data from the sensor on the Charge.
As far as I can tell, nobody has been successful in getting any Android phone to capture the RAW data.
Does anybody know if this is possible? I know others who would love to have the ability. I didn't really want to start a discussion of RAW vs JPEG compression, etc. I know the drawbacks and advantages of RAW.
I think that this would require camera firmware modifications as well as Camera APK modifications. My development knowledge is very limited, hence my name.
Does anybody know if this would require a reasonable about of effort or if its far beyond being worth the trouble?
It looks possible, and the code is in the API to do this, but it has yet to be done as far as I know. It looks to be an issue with the "RAW callback function" always returning NULL. If I have some time I will to look into it.
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My apologies and thanks.
Bumping this, seems like an interesting feature, considering it has API support.
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Bumping this, seems like an interesting feature, considering it has API support.
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I would plus one this
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
I just wish someone would mod the camera APK to use +2 sharpness, which would result in better quality photos. The camera app applies a bad blur/denoise filter on the lower sharpness settings which reduces the quality of the picture. Worse, the camera does not save that setting, so it needs to be set each time I use it.
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I just wish someone would mod the camera APK to use +2 sharpness, which would result in better quality photos. The camera app applies a bad blur/denoise filter on the lower sharpness settings which reduces the quality of the picture. Worse, the camera does not save that setting, so it needs to be set each time I use it.
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You know u can modify the frame work for the camera, I've done it before, search xda. I doubt remember the form
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
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Shooting raw will make the color correction possible which will significantly boost the image quality to...a 70 dollars' compact camera you can find on ebay, BUT, the best camera is always the one that is with you, so I always support anyone who like to improve android phone's shooting ability.
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The real issue isn't allowing the camera to shoot raw because they can be done but the raw format will not be recognized by any raw processing software on the market. The possible way is to use DNG format which will significantly increase the difficulty of modification because it means the programmer will put in hours to create a brand new application to understand and compress the raw file to the DNG file...unlike Canon, android does not have an official raw format...so everything will need to start from zero. This process could easily take 20 very experienced engineers up to a year to complete, and the result might not be very ideal and will need another year to modify and improve...so we are looking at a potentially five million dollars project here - and it will better be turning in to profitable application - and if so it will have to be the best selling android app ever.
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
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Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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Just a reminder....this is a cell phone, not a camera!
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Just a reminder....this is a cell phone, not a camera!
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Just a reminder, anything is possible in the world of android!
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desmalta said:
Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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RAW does not equal improved quality if the camera is not capturing more image information prior to compressing to JPG. You're still working with a tiny fixed lens and dense, compact sensor with tiny photo sites. This is limiting the amount and quality of light. Shooting RAW will not change this. JPG compression is not a limiting factor for image quality. You won't be able to resolve significantly finer detail or shoot in lower light settings just because you're shooting RAW. Open a JPG as RAW with Photoshop, it'll provide a similar experience.
You'll end up with similar photo quality, a bit more flexibility in PP, and huge lag while the camera tries to handle transfering and saving the huge photo file 10x larger than what it was designed to handle.
These are the only mobile phone sensors I've seen that would support or justify shooting in RAW.
Another story on them: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/omnivisions-new-12mp-cmos-sensor-shoots-raw-pics-and-1080-60p-v/
In other words, RAW will be here eventually. When it is, it'll be an improvement. To try and force it (if it were even possible) with the sensor and hardware limitations in the DC is pointless.
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RAW does not equal improved quality if the camera is not capturing more image information prior to compressing to JPG.
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true, but shooting raw does preserve more of the image, because its the raw/real image that sensors seems is not a jpg processed image the way camera applications decided the scene should look like.
basically would would be taking your camera off the auto mode.
with raw you would have greated control over white balance, shadows, highlights etc...
There is a question about how many bits of image data you got on mobile sensor. On DSLR there is 12 or 14 bits information that is compressed to 8bit JPG information - that's why there is plenty more information about the image in RAW format. If CMOS in your mobile phone deliver just strait 8bit - your RAW will not have much more data.
As I don't have slightest idea how many bits of data is served by mobile camera sensor I can't say if there is a reason for RAW.
i found this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14777953/how-to-capture-raw-image-from-android-camera
i am really looking forward for a raw file from android camera this will be a huge move forward to the mobile world and the abilities of android
and since its supported in the api means google wants it to happen
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Create this dir /data/misc/camera/RaW_PiCtUrEs case sensitive btw
Assuming the capture mode used is high-quality and not high-quality-zsl it should produce a raw image everytime you capture a jpeg image
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try this maybe it will work i found it here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977654&nocache=1
Just got my s7 and I'm really disappointed about the fotos it takes.. Each shot has a huge sharpen effect that gave the picture a fake feel / effect!!!
Is there any way to just save the picture as they really are?!
Thanks!
Use pro mode and enable raw in the settings.
Yes, take shots in RAW mode then do your own post-processing in Adobe Lightroom.
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Use pro mode and enable raw in the settings.
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Thanks a lot guys, but I've already tried and it seems almost the same: when I take pictures at people, the skin texture is really far from natural
Hello,
been using the P20 for a few days now and it's great but I'm not sure how to get the best out of the camera. Been having it with AI on and 20Mp but a lot of the pictures seem overexposed.
If anyone could enlighten me that'd be great.
Thanks
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Hello,
been using the P20 for a few days now and it's great but I'm not sure how to get the best out of the camera. Been having it with AI on and 20Mp but a lot of the pictures seem overexposed.
If anyone could enlighten me that'd be great.
Thanks
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Hello!
I disabled the AI, it oversaturates colors and the contrast and sharpness are too high for my taste. Shooting in photo mode without the AI gets me pretty good results, I then edit my shots in Lightroom CC, it's a free app, try it if you haven't already If you have the feeling that your shots are overexposed you can always focus on a bright part of your scene and the phone will adjust the exposure accordingly.
For best results you want to be shooting in pro mode and better yet enable the RAW format. It's more work to edit those RAW photos but you do get the best quality!
Have fun with your phone
I also turned off the AI. If you want to have more control you can use RAW
Thanks for the replies! I'll try out RAW mode and Lightroom CC and disable the AI. I guess there would be a great change of quality if I went from 20 MP 4:3 to 18:9 as it's only 8MP?
I did some photos today and i must say that there are few iritating things in our phones software.
One of the is HDR mode wich is hidden ant we cant usue it in auto mode
Hi everyone. I'd like to know if anybody could get a 48 mp dng file from this phone. It is strange that raw file is only 12 mp. The quality of the 48 mp jpeg image is poor and seems rather an interpolated from 12 mp. How is possible to get a raw file smaller (12mp) than the original (48mp) ? And many camera aps won't give the jpeg 48 mp option but only the 12 mp. Comparing an original jpeg 40 mp from p20 pro with the one that this phone offers, the difference is tremendous on details and structure. Thanks for reading.
non-pro --> fake
pro --> real
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non-pro --> fake
pro --> real
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For what reason then, it won't give a 48 mp dng file? And also you cannot have from 48mp jpeg the option 16:9 ? If it was the stock camera limitation, why then, all other camera apps behave the same way?
Speaking always for pro model.
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Hi everyone. I'd like to know if anybody could get a 48 mp dng file from this phone. It is strange that raw file is only 12 mp. The quality of the 48 mp jpeg image is poor and seems rather an interpolated from 12 mp. How is possible to get a raw file smaller (12mp) than the original (48mp) ? And many camera aps won't give the jpeg 48 mp option but only the 12 mp. Comparing an original jpeg 40 mp from p20 pro with the one that this phone offers, the difference is tremendous on details and structure. Thanks for reading.
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I did not quite understand what you were saying. The 48MP shots are "real" as Xiaomi claims. For non-stock camera apps, just make sure you have Camera2API option available and enabled to enable 48MP mode. For instance, I enabled the same in Open Camera, and I had the capability to shoot "48MP" in RAW dng format.
And I kinda sorta get what you are trying to say, but I do not know enough about the topic to comment.
Here is one shot from RN7Pro with Open Camera app with Camera2API enabled, saved in jpeg and raw. One is the standard jpeg with resolution 8000 x 6000 and 6MB in size, the other is the dng of the same shot with resolution 3984 x 2984 (11.9 MP) as reported by Photoshop with a file size of 22.9 MB:
JPG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mKD7i2idv1YBjSFsepTCFShyTJTlPm6t/view?usp=sharing
DNG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y6Xrez8sjFBP3HWI1__HchVtZ7unBTRr/view?usp=sharing
If you plan to compare the RN7 Pro, which costs as much as an early mid-range device, against the Huawei P20 Pro, which is top tier flagship from last year, then you will definitely be disappointed. One phone costs a couple of times the other. So that comparison does not make sense to me.
For a moment I was happy to hear that you were able to shoot 48 mp in raw dng format with open camera, but then I saw the dng file you posted was only 12 mp (a little less perhaps). So, unfortunately, I still am suspicious about what xiaomi claims for the camera since it is not possible to get 48 mp dng file with any app. The size of such a file should be about 45 mb. The quality of images of not 7 pro is excellent but the details are of 12 mp level. I posted an image from mi note 2 (21mp camera) where you can see the difference in details. I wonder if I get such an image from an older phone what should I expect with a newer with the double size of mp in the sensor. I'm afraid we have to do with a xiaomi's trick ......
Ps. Now I see that system made my image much smaller. 243 kb instead of 12 mb (original). you v\cannot get conclusions this way.. sorry.
I had the idea to post a crop of the original image. Take a look.
Ok, I'll explain.
It's a Quad Bayer sensor, what typically results in lack of raw output availability in case of the full res. That's due to the fact that OEMs assume no app would be able to process non-standard array, else they would have to process it on their own, through utilizing stacking (superres?) or simple remosaic. The latter would result in artifacts or loss of quality.
Because of that, all available raw streams come from binning (pixel "merging").
About the quality tho, it's just a Xiaomi thing. All you can currently do is disable the edge mode and denoising in Open Camera. Then your results might get more detailed, possibly at the cost of color fringing. At least, that's the case with Mi 9.
But about RN7 non-Pro, uhh. It has S5KGM1, which doesn't even support any kind of 48 MP mode, so the 48 MP images from RN7, Oppo F11 Pro, Vivo V15 Pro end up being a placebo.
Sorry that I saw your answer after I started a new thread with the same subject. Thanks for all your info. Still I wonder, why we cannot get a 48mp DNG file with any app, like for example on p20 pro that has the same quad bayer technology. And how is possible to get a 12 mp rawfile, from a 48 mp sensor? With p20 pro we can choose between 40 mp dng or 10 mp jpeg with binning technology. Why this is impossible with RN7pro ?
Another question that I have is that: If all available raw streams come from binning, then the 48mp jpeg from where it comes?
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Another question that I have is that: If all available raw streams come from binning, then the 48mp jpeg from where it comes?
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Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And anyyyway, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.
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Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And any way, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.[/QU
Thanks, I can see what you mean. It's a pity thow, that there is no a 48mp dng file which, in bright light might be very interesting , offering hight level of details.... I guess that with 1,75 f and binning, xiaomi's goal is a brighter image in the shortest shooting time. This kind of images are very good for internet media use, but in a big screen they are worse than images from older phones .
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Kodagf said:
j1505243 said:
Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And any way, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.[/QU
Thanks, I can see what you mean. It's a pity thow, that there is no a 48mp dng file which, in bright light might be very interesting , offering hight level of details.... I guess that with 1,75 f and binning, xiaomi's goal is a brighter image in the shortest shooting time. This kind of images are very good for internet media use, but in a big screen they are worse than images from older phones .
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Well, as said before, try setting edge mode off with denoising off in Open Camera, with Camera2 mode enabled and 48 MP resolution selected. You'll notice a rather good difference, but be aware of the color artifacts. BTW, the best 48 MP outputs available yet are coming from Honor View 20. Maybe Google will outperform that on Pixel 4, but it's just a guess.
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Hello, has the g8 plus camera2 api enabled? With which level? Can it shoot in Raw?
Dunno about camera2 api but I guess so. Shooting in raw is possible in manual mode through the stock camera app. Actually, IMHO it is a good camera, the unique problem is the shutter speed because in manual mode has its max at 1/3 sec. I haven't tried to shoot the stars yet but it may be a problem. On the other hand, I have to say that the night mode works very well and it could do miracles.
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Dunno about camera2 api but I guess so. Shooting in raw is possible in manual mode through the stock camera app. Actually, IMHO it is a good camera, the unique problem is the shutter speed because in manual mode has its max at 1/3 sec. I haven't tried to shoot the stars yet but it may be a problem. On the other hand, I have to say that the night mode works very well and it could do miracles.
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Thanks for reply. Please, can you share a Raw file? I need to check its quality.
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Thanks for reply. Please, can you share a Raw file? I need to check its quality.
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I am sorry but the covid19 quarantine didn't let me go out for a shot. Btw here an old raw pic from my gallery:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eGjKdI8r4maN8TvcD7PZqm5SegP34EgN/view?usp=sharing