Petition to Samsung and At&t to unlock the bootloader. Please sign the petition, share and pass along.
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-usa-at-t-unlock-the-bootloader-of-the-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337-2
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linkin275 said:
Petition to Samsung and At&t to unlock the bootloader. Please sign the petition, share and pass along.
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-usa-at-t-unlock-the-bootloader-of-the-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337-2
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Why? Has this been successful with any other phone? I have never seen any evidence that AT&T cares. Samsung designed this way because AT&T wanted it this way, so petitioning Samsung won't matter. The only thing that will matter is not buying from AT&T (or Verizon) in the future.
alphadog00 said:
Why? Has this been successful with any other phone? I have never seen any evidence that AT&T cares. Samsung designed this way because AT&T wanted it this way, so petitioning Samsung won't matter. The only thing that will matter is not buying from AT&T (or Verizon) in the future.
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This. OP I feel your hope and frustration but it won't do much. Samsung just makes the device to how AT&T specifies and AT&T just really doesn't care. Like the one guy said, we just gotta stop buying the service and considering T-Mobile eased on the contracts and didn't lock there boot loader, it won't be that bad.
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yep not upgrading my s3.. just like I don't support apple with locked down
OS's.. I will not get locked phones from att and will switch when contract is up if they don't get their act together.
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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This.
toxicpaulution said:
I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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Shammyh said:
Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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$$$
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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When a 32gb nexus is $350 and the 32gb GS4 GE Will be around 700 dollars? I'd rather have spent it on two Nexus 4's but then again I'd have a stupid smartphone if I got the GE S4 since I'd have all the sensors and nothing to use them with. That sir is a waste.
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When a 32gb nexus is $350 and the 32gb GS4 GE Will be around 700 dollars? I'd rather have spent it on two Nexus 4's but then again I'd have a stupid smartphone if I got the GE S4 since I'd have all the sensors and nothing to use them with. That sir is a waste.
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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Uhh because a lot of that stuff isn't built into aosp yet?? Same reason why they already said the One Google edition won't use the IR blaster. Its not that Samsung isn't capable of doing it, its that I doubt Google will let them being that its supposed to be stripped down vanilla android. Verizon messed with the galaxy nexus and are rumored to have been discluded from further nexuses because of it. We could also all shut up and stop speculating until it comes out
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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How much is a 16gb unlocked galaxy S4? 625$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BV1NKCW/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
How much is 2 nexus 4's? 600$
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_4_8GB?id=nexus_4_8gb&hl=en
so technically you can get two cheaper for the price of one. And you speak as if I don't think Google could add those features in, I know they made the code. But I also know that they are going to follow the footsteps HTC did when they released their Google edition. Its the lines of Google edition to make it as bone stock as possible. As long as the OS runs with the camera and calling that's what matters to them. Yes maybe down the road Samsung will give an update for the sensors, but that will be down the road. Also the GE won't be the last of the line. When they ship the red,blue,brown, and purple they will be shipped with standard touchwiz.
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Only has 26 signatures, I don't think ATT or Samsung will even give this a 2nd thought or even make its way into a meeting agenda at the corporate level.
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Only has 26 signatures, I don't think ATT or Samsung will even give this a 2nd thought or even make its way into a meeting agenda at the corporate level.
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It only has 26 signatures because most of us know that there is not sufficient user-base outrage for this practice to change.
The logic is as follows:
Group 1) I'd garner that 70-80% of all AT&T Galaxy S4 owners are unaware of what Linux is, let alone it's relation to their phone. So forget about bootloaders, and signing chains, and stuff like that. It's all greek to them. They just want to browse the web, visit Facebook, and send text messages. If it happens on a slim phone with a big pretty screen, then they're happy.
Group 2) There's maybe another 10-15% who actually understand the underlying concepts of Android/Linux etc, but who have no interest in modifying their phones. Those are techy or semi-techy people, who again, really just want to browse the web, use apps, and have a slim pretty phone.
Group 3) That leaves about 5-10% who actually desire to "modify" anything about their phone, and have any technical ability to do so.
Group 4) Out of that 5-10%, many of those people don't understand the intricacies of the boot process (or signature signing), and just "follow directions closely" to get what they want, and go home happy. That's probably the majority of visitors to XDA, which leaves....
Group 5) At most 5% of all AT&T Galaxy S4 users. These people actually understand how Android/Linux/boot chain process works, at least at a higher level. Don't ask them to read the source code, but they get the general idea.
Group 6) These are the people who actually understand and actually decide/agree to spend their time signing the petition.
Now to be fair, these numbers are as accurate as either the 2004 presidential election results or the number of secret NSA warrants issued every year. Aka, they're not very accurate. But I think you get the picture.
Even in the best case scenario, where you get 100% of Group 5 to sign, and god forbid, maybe even 100% of Group 4, that's still barely enough of a user base for AT&T to even consider your argument. And there's likely no reason they'd acquiesce anyway. While it's a big bummer to us modders, I'm sure there is a reason AT&T chose to go to the trouble of "locking the bootloader". In theory, it's a nice idea if you're selling to, I dunno, the government, or a big corporation... Your sales pitch is: "We use hardware in the phone to prevent modifying, so that when you go visit China, or wherever, we can 100% guarantee that no software bugs were installed in your phone. Secure bootloader means we can guarantee the entire process from boot up, to application loading, meaning your data is secure in our hands." Or some bullsh1t like that. Believe me, the reason at&t did it is for profit, but not to profit by screwing us modders over, to profit by engaging in a sales pitch to a select but profitable group of customers (who aren't you or me).
So long story short, it's a lost cause.
you have serious problems in math..
by the way, many people could be in the group that "just fallows directions closely" and still would like the bootloader to get unlocked (because someone with knowledge will take that advantage, create roms or whatever and share them with obviously, the "easy instructions to fallow"..
cotasa said:
you have serious problems in math..
by the way, many people could be in the group that "just fallows directions closely" and still would like the bootloader to get unlocked (because someone with knowledge will take that advantage, create roms or whatever and share them with obviously, the "easy instructions to fallow"..
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Lol, which is what I said... Granted in a rambling way, and duh, I pulled those numbers out of my butt. Which I also alluded to.
Either way, point stands that no petition is gonna change the situation. And that less than 30 people have signed said petition. That part ain't math, or subjective.
And as I also said, there's still the plane option...
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Even if there were 100K signatures, unless people buy a different product so that the carrier sees it hurting their revenue, they have no incentive.
How many people ditched AT&T to buy the t-mobile version? Not many. So an unlocked boot loader, even with cheaper data plans, is not enough to fuel consumer outrage.
Petitions are meaningless if there are no consequences. If t-mo ever gets better coverage, I may switch, but until then any threat to leave by me is empty. I think AT&T knows that.
I signed petition and I sent it to many friends via email to bring attention to the matter. Maybe someone can post in Facebook and any other sites?? Im also considering donation towards bounty for developers who unlock bootloader or alternative methods of adding recovery.
I think what will add weight to this issue is the fact that you cannot do a factory data reset and that KIES complains about the firmware.
Some people with legit issues contacting Samsung for support may be instructed to "power off unit - hold volume down and power on - blah blah blah" which gets you to the android screen with message "cannot boot into normal mode"
Samsung cannot even suggest to anyone to reapply firmware to fix issues at this time.
How do I know this? I called them because I get "Unfortunately, Music has stopped" error message when I use the default music player and asked for help. I was given several things to try which got nowhere and then they wanted to open a ticket to ship my phone in for repair, which I declined saying "I need my phone as it is my primary source of communication for home and work and cannot be without it for weeks". Then I got the survey at the end, to which I complimented the support effort but am beyond upset with Samsungs product as a simple thing like Music not working requires me to ship back the phone. $700 for a phone that "just about works" definitely will influence my next purchase.
Why is the s3 unlocked but not the s4? I had the Sony ion and decided to get a new phone, my contract isn't up for a year and some change so I just bought it out right off eBay for 310$ brand new. Its unlocked and when I had my s2 I had tasks AOKP running on it. So why lock the 4?
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Many of you probably don't watch Korean dramas but they tend to have LOTS of product placements in them. Here's a recent one with Samsung Pay being used on the Gear S2. Looks like it'll pay through NFC.
That's funny. you know which drama? My wife watches them but I just find them silly. They always got the product placements but they have to cover the brand name. So it will be so obvious everyone is using Galaxy Edges but they got to put tape on everyone's phones covering up the name Samsung.
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That's funny. you know which drama? My wife watches them but I just find them silly. They always got the product placements but they have to cover the brand name. So it will be so obvious everyone is using Galaxy Edges but they got to put tape on everyone's phones covering up the name Samsung.
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Speaking of Gear S2 and Samsung PAY. I'm I correct in thinking this will only work with NFC readers? Here in Los Angeles California area 95% of the places don't have NFC card reader or most of them are disabled by the vender to not accept NFC. I have been using Samsung PAY beta here for several weeks and I like it but wondering if the watch will have a limited Samsung pay only to be used with NFC vs. also having MST antenna in it.
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Speaking of Gear S2 and Samsung PAY. I'm I correct in thinking this will only work with NFC readers? Here in Los Angeles California area 95% of the places don't have NFC card reader or most of them are disabled by the vender to not accept NFC. I have been using Samsung PAY beta here for several weeks and I like it but wondering if the watch will have a limited Samsung pay only to be used with NFC vs. also having MST antenna in it.
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S2 needs to be paired to a Galaxy phone and used on an NFC terminal for Samsung Pay to work. The tech that uses the magnetic strip terminals is too big for a watch.
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S2 needs to be paired to a Galaxy phone and used on an NFC terminal for Samsung Pay to work. The tech that uses the magnetic strip terminals is too big for a watch.
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Yeah was afraid of that. Looks like I'll continue to use my phone for Samsung pay rather then watch. I'm going to guess that its 5% or less that I have even used NFC vs. MST. It's just not an option around here.
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That's funny. you know which drama? My wife watches them but I just find them silly. They always got the product placements but they have to cover the brand name. So it will be so obvious everyone is using Galaxy Edges but they got to put tape on everyone's phones covering up the name Samsung.
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The drama is called Yong Pal. The Gear S2 first shows up in episode 14
LOL all the of Samsung phones(S6, S6E/E+, Note5) in the drama have the logo on the front covered up. It was also very funny how everyone was using the S6 and S6E in the first 10ish episodes then suddenly they ALL have a Note 5.
Does anyone know how to get Samsung Pay to work on the Gear S2? I have had the beta for weeks and use it every day on my phone but I can't figure out how to get it on my watch. I frequent many stores that use NFC for payment. When I touch the watch on the terminal it beeps but doesn't do anything. I have no way of selecting a card.
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Does anyone know how to get Samsung Pay to work on the Gear S2? I have had the beta for weeks and use it every day on my phone but I can't figure out how to get it on my watch. I frequent many stores that use NFC for payment. When I touch the watch on the terminal it beeps but doesn't do anything. I have no way of selecting a card.
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(on watch) Settings > Connections > NFC > Tap and Pay
I believe Samsung Pay will be listed there, if installed. I can't confirm due to having my S6 Edge with Verizon.
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Does that mean your phone has to have a working Samsung Pay (as in not rooted) for Pay on work on the Gear S2?
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Does that mean your phone has to have a working Samsung Pay (as in not rooted) for Pay on work on the Gear S2?
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Sad to say but yes... There isn't a way to set up Samsung Pay on the watch itself
I have the full Samsung Pay app installed on my Note 5, yet when I go to tap & pay, it says no app installed. I'm guessing that means I have to install the app from the Gear App store, which does not seem to have that app..... Anyone else get their tap & pay set up on their watch?
No luck for me either... I guess we'll have to wait a bit more....
I saw a few reviews that stated it will be a separate app made specifically for the Gear S2 and will come in November. So it looks like now we wait.
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Many of you probably don't watch Korean dramas but they tend to have LOTS of product placements in them. Here's a recent one with Samsung Pay being used on the Gear S2. Looks like it'll pay through NFC.
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Is that a cum drop on the second picture? BTW interesting info about Korean soap operas
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I saw a few reviews that stated it will be a separate app made specifically for the Gear S2 and will come in November. So it looks like now we wait.
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Anyone got this working?
I unable to get mine working too, its saying app isn't installed but i do have the Samsung pay installed and working on the phone with no issues and searching the Gear S2 apps store - there is no any payment app. currently to install.
Its not available till first quarter next year per Samsungs twitter page. Which sucks!
I hope they've miniaturized the looppay device so it can be used in the Gear S2.
Is never coming to the UK is it. They've been promising us for 2 years and still nothing. I've been holding out rooting my phones just for this but might as well go wild now!
Use android pay??
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Biggenz said:
Is never coming to the UK is it. They've been promising us for 2 years and still nothing. I've been holding out rooting my phones just for this but might as well go wild now!
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Yeah... I'm also in the same position. Though they said they will release it in 2017... But they said the same thing last year so I really don't know.
I just want to avoid the thing that I would root, get a custom rom, whatever I want and the week after they would announce it...
Though...... I'm used to Android Pay so much that I probably don't even care anymore lol. When I'll feel like it, I'll probably just mod the sh*t out of my phone.
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Use android pay??
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Android Pay doesn't use MST so it's useless as most places don't have contactless.
And besides, Barclays' own contactless mobile app is a lot better than Android Pay.
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Android Pay doesn't use MST so it's useless as most places don't have contactless.
And besides, Barclays' own contactless mobile app is a lot better than Android Pay.
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I agree that Samsung Pay would be best generally, and am also eager to use it in the UK however I disagree when you say most places don't have contactless here. Don't know which part of the UK you're in but here in Essex, it's hard to find somewhere that doesn't have contactless
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Android Pay doesn't use MST so it's useless as most places don't have contactless.
And besides, Barclays' own contactless mobile app is a lot better than Android Pay.
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In the UK? Are you kidding. I reckon 80% of shops in the UK have contactless and Android pay has worked every time I've used it....
I Don't see how Samsung Pay improves that?
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Android Pay doesn't use MST so it's useless as most places don't have contactless.
And besides, Barclays' own contactless mobile app is a lot better than Android Pay.
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In UK Samsung pay will only work on NFC enabled terminals as UK banks have refused to let Samsung Use MST for security reasons. So, you are actually not missing anything.
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im in the uk with a gear 3 frontier and s8 plus ,I'm confused re samsung pay or android pay
can i get android pay on my watch ?
is samsung pay available in uk?
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In short, no and no.
There is no android pay app for the S3 and the latest rumours are that Samsung pay will launch some where around 16th May but that is purely that, a rumour. It will come at some point this year so it's a waiting game for us Brits at the moment.
Samsung pay UK just installed on my s3 frontier today
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neils31 said:
Samsung pay UK just installed on my s3 frontier today
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Until the actual banks support it, it's just another waste of memory on your phone/ watch :/
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Until the actual banks support it, it's just another app :/
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My bank does, so happy days
neils31 said:
My bank does, so happy days
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Then you're clearly not another grumpy RBS/ NatWorst customer (like me).
We had to wait MONTHS for Android Pay and there's no commitment for them to support SamPay...
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Then you're clearly not another grumpy RBS/ NatWorst customer (like me).
We had to wait MONTHS for Android Pay and there's no commitment for them to support SamPay...
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I am with the nationwide, you can always switch