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Hello Everyone!
I have recently been researching into the "camera" criteria of smartphones. And I found that there are pretty awesome smartphones with great cameras out there.
So, I just thought I'd make a list about them. And of course, this is my list, your thoughts on this issue might vary.
Number 5: It's the HTC One. It's supposed to be the best android smartphone out there, and it really is! The camera is awesome too! The UI is pretty basic and simple and it has some good color saturation.
Number 4: The Apple iPhone 5s. People say that...
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Siddhant NAik said:
Hello Everyone!
I have recently been researching into the "camera" criteria of smartphones. And I found that there are pretty awesome smartphones with great cameras out there.
So, I just thought I'd make a list about them. And of course, this is my list, your thoughts on this issue might vary.
Number 5: It's the HTC One. It's supposed to be the best android smartphone out there, and it really is! The camera is awesome too! The UI is pretty basic and simple and it has some good color saturation.
Number 4: The Apple iPhone 5s. People say that...
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Not to say you're wrong or it's a bad camera, but I have such an issue with people qualifying a camera's quality by silly things like megapixels. Just because it's a high number doesn't make the camera "great." And that whole Zeiss lens thing, I just can't get behind that marketing gimmick. It's like the whole 4k thing going on or "IMAX" theaters. They cheat the qualifications just so they can advertise that they're special. If you're buying phone for an excellent camera and really want Zeiss glass or huge resolutions/megapixels, get a real camera.
Please don't use xda to drive traffic to your blog/website!
Thanks!
Just bought my 1st Windows phone to test out. Is this still a good phone? I would love your thoughts.
Just bought this phone as well to see what all the noise is about the camera.
I tested it against my nexus 5 and the zoom was incredible shot out of 20th floor window, but I have not taken it anywhere yet to take real photos.
I would like to hears other thoughts as well.
I think we are the only 2 people that own this phone and visit xda
yeah I think so as well.
Probably since MS locked it down so hard and it can not be rooted, maybe people lost interest.
This is my test phone and that time when we all wish we had a good camera device to take a quick picture(now waiting on that moment.)
Nexus 5 is still my daily driver, but I like this phone a lot.
To answer you original question, from everyone I have talked to this is still one of the best, if not the best camera/phone combination out there.
It's still the best camera phone (maybe except Nokia 808 with bigger sensor, but no stabilization). Lumix CM1 should be much better, but will cost twice more and it still isn't in sale.
Is there any camera app to allow me to set exposure time more than 4s like default application?
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Is there any camera app to allow me to set exposure time more than 4s like default application?
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I saw this app on a couple of forums.
it cost 1.99 in US store.
didn ot say alot about exposure though
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/proshot/3d6a3d7e-5aca-4aee-b059-590b9f53cc13
qnc said:
I saw this app on a couple of forums.
it cost 1.99 in US store.
didn ot say alot about exposure though
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/proshot/3d6a3d7e-5aca-4aee-b059-590b9f53cc13
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Thanks, but nope, I checked trial version 5 min ago and maximum time is 4 seconds too.
Do your guys camera kinda rattle when you put the phone down?
Or if you tap the phone earlier against your hand?
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Do your guys camera kinda rattle when you put the phone down?
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I looked that up when I first got the phone. Can't remember where I found the information, but it is just the OIS element.
I'm not a camera guy so I looked up OIS element. It appears that regular cameras have the rattle as well.
OIS = Optical Image Stabilization
New one to me.
Most said that if the rattle stops then you are in trouble.
Long story short Rattle is good.
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I've bought and tried almost every smartphone with a good camera.
Nokia Lumia 1020 takes the best photos of all till now...
The pureview technology is unique...
As a previous owner of lumia 1020. My thoughts and info.
Currently I am a note 3 user. Lumia 1020 was for me a very good phone. My only issue is that earpiece volume was low (Small ear problem due to my work, but I can say iphone and now note 3 are double lowder) . At first it was perfect. After the 8 update it went lower. Restored to the initial version but no improvement. Kept and updated to 8.1........ still the same. Contacted microsoft but no answer given (dah). If the volume was higher I would never have sold it. I was an iphone user, android, lumia, iphone and now again on android. These are my conclusion on personal experience.
1. Camera is far far superior than other phones. YES. By far. I dont know about the iphone 6.
2. Rattle noise of the camera is a little bit disturbing but as I have read its on the stabilisation of the camera.
3. Windows os is FASTER than any other (Yes I have previously rooted my HTC m7 and used custom roms)
4. Support from microsoft sucks (sorry but they have not answered any of my emails with a solution)
5. To take great photos you have to study and learn the camera 's features.
Do I miss my Lumia? YES
Will I ever buy a Lumia? YES ( thinking of the 930 but I saw many issues with that as well.) In a year or two if they take their jobs seriously they can make unbelievable smartphones.
Hope I have helped someone.
stunning camera. Way above anything else.
I've been using the phone since June 2014. It has a STUNNING camera and I've been a serious DLSR photographer since 2004.
Its not all things to all men but low light and detail from the large 41.3-megapixel BSI CMOS image sensor are v good. Its a FX - full frame camera in a phone without the add-on lenses. FX on a DLSR is £1000 entry level.
I perhaps wish I had more control over the photographic process. I'd love a variable Neutral Density Filter. I'd love a simple HDR app.
I'd like better 3rd party apps. I think this camera\Nokia 1020 will ultimately fail in the market as it is locked down by MS and Nokia. Such a shame....and self defeating. Camera 10/10.
I tried to debrand it when I got it. Failed.
No WP equivalent Cyanogen Mod or simple 8.1 for me then.
it is locked down by MS and Nokia. Such a shame....and self defeating. Camera 10/10.
I tried to debrand it when I got it. Failed.
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My 1020 is on Consumer Cellular which uses the AT&T network.
I did not have to unlock it.
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I came frome the LG G2, which still has one of the best Android cameras, and I'm really impressed. I'd never have thought that a smartphone camera is this good.
And yes, the rattling is the OIS
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I've bought and tried almost every smartphone with a good camera.
Nokia Lumia 1020 takes the best photos of all till now...
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Especially since no other can do 4x FHD zoom without serious quality drop
Mine glass broke while moving and I bought galaxy s4+ while waiting repairs and I decided to keep it, since the operating system gives so much leeway...
Only problem is that now I have to use burst to get even one good image even in good light
I upgraded to Nexus 6 but always carry the 1020 for pictures can't beat the camera
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Hi there guys. Im not new in the forums but new to this threads. I used to have Motorolas and still love them, awesome devices and still think the best out there, at least in Android side, but my GF took mine for a game and gave me this Lumia 1020. which to be honest i sold her the idea of getting it in the first place.
So far ive been investigating as many people talks too much BS about 41 megapixels not being important bla bla...
My findings so far:
The phone specs are medium to high compared to pocket cameras. The quality is actually amazing, a few small details as with anything but i think its just perfect to avoid buying a camera. I just dont like that the zoom is not that much, to be honest its great when im at an stadium and i take this pictures that are simply amazing compared to what any other smartphone can take, but if i want to zoom then im the one with the crappiest zoom. But i bought this Lensung zoom 12X and im going to check it once it arrives in a couple of weeks or more.
There are some cool apps out there for this camera so the biggest problem is to know which one fits you better, thats why i have about 8 apps installed. Ive been playing with some and they all fit somehow. Im an amateur photo lover beginner in the lowest level but damn this camera makes me look at least as a good enough camera man he he he.
Issues so far: i hate the phone overheats but i know it is normal.
No real quality lenses out there (im going to test the one i mentioned but not sure its gonna be good enough yet)
Possible advantages:
Ive seen people working on creating cases that fit real lenses, professional ones, waiting for the results and possibilities to buy them.
And one last thing, in the party a couple weeks ago every single person started taking pictures... i was the one taking pictures at the end of the party as there was no match for this camera-phone, simply they all surrendered to its quality pictures, iPhone lovers, Android lovers, Samsung lovers, all of them. So yes, this phone is still the best camera phone you will find!
Hi everyone! I have a Sony z3 and I'm really in love with Sony's devices.
I saw this phone but I have two questions :
1) it's possible to root it? Or there are problems with drm in the bootloader like on z3?
2) between this and the one plus 5 which one do you suggest? Which make the best photos and videos?
3) can you suggest me some good cover for this phone?
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In a word, no. Not for the price. I never really have buyers regret but on this device I do. I wish i had just bought a HTC U11.
Positives
Good industrial design
Fingerprint scanner is great
Battery life is excellent
solid performance
Negatives
The camera in the day is great, not the best but not the worst. The camera in the evening is poor at best unless you have a tripod.
Obvious distortion issue on 95% of camera modules, people who say they don't I think are in denial, so that number is most likely 100%
The dual speakers are quiet and sound quality is also not the best.
The screen is great but the sub pixel arrangement means it is not as good as the HDR screen on the lower resolution G6 or S8.
The Headphone jack is great, but the volume is low. Having used the S8, iphone 7 and HTC U11, they are all much louder - Dongle or not.
The Frame of the phone is plastic and scratches very easily. My plastic case has scratched the sides already and I am very careful with my phones.
No MHL support, No figerprint support in USA, no wireless charging and althought the industrial design is good the screen to body ratio is poor.
I would save you money and buy a cheaper HTC U11 or One Plus 5.
All of which is publicly known for a long time now. All devices have pros and cons, the question is what your wiling to live with and what are you not able to do without.
Fact of the matter is this, whilst the camera is probably the most significant issue, pretty much everything else is just subjective ramblings of whoever your speaking too. Wireless charging? Wow but a deal breaker? I doubt it
Phone case a bit scratch prone? Who doesnt use cases on these phones these days.
Everything else except the camera is subjective, meaning some folk won't mind the audio, some will, some will not like the bezzle, some will.
Personally the u11 not having a jack is a deal breaker. Blooming stupid idea not having one given the cheapness of headphones. Sorry but if I've forgotten to bring my phones I'm not spending 25 quid on a new set, I'll be spending no more than a fiver from just about any shop on earth
The one plus 5 nice phone, but who's idea was it not to add a sd card slot?! And is got a comparatively low PPI.
And both of those have loaded with pish compared to the XZp relatively stock UI
Now that's not to say they are rubbish, you just need to work out what you want and what you can compromise with.
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indecently, I got the XZp after a lot of deliberating.
And with the exception of the camera, I am happy with it.
Just hope they sort out the camera, not so much the wonky lines introduced by the lens, but by the overuse of sharpening, the camera is stunning as shown by the image on the screen but after processing, it certainly losses its flare, if someone is watching, if they wont change the processing, give us the option to shoot RAW and ill deal with it
If you are watching a lot of videos on Youtube, Netflix and Amazon Prime and you also transfer many movie files into your phone, then buy it and you will never regret it. But if you are not watching a lot of media content then wait for the XZ1.
I don't have any of above mentioned pro lens. And I am vary happy with the phone. Speakers are enough loud and the audio is perfect from the ear pads. No distortion at all.
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All of which is publicly known for a long time now. All devices have pros and cons, the question is what your wiling to live with and what are you not able to do without.
Fact of the matter is this, whilst the camera is probably the most significant issue, pretty much everything else is just subjective ramblings of whoever your speaking too. Wireless charging? Wow but a deal breaker? I doubt it
Phone case a bit scratch prone? Who doesnt use cases on these phones these days.
Everything else except the camera is subjective, meaning some folk won't mind the audio, some will, some will not like the bezzle, some will.
Personally the u11 not having a jack is a deal breaker. Blooming stupid idea not having one given the cheapness of headphones. Sorry but if I've forgotten to bring my phones I'm not spending 25 quid on a new set, I'll be spending no more than a fiver from just about any shop on earth
The one plus 5 nice phone, but who's idea was it not to add a sd card slot?! And is got a comparatively low PPI.
And both of those have loaded with pish compared to the XZp relatively stock UI
Now that's not to say they are rubbish, you just need to work out what you want and what you can compromise with.
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indecently, I got the XZp after a lot of deliberating.
And with the exception of the camera, I am happy with it.
Just hope they sort out the camera, not so much the wonky lines introduced by the lens, but by the overuse of sharpening, the camera is stunning as shown by the image on the screen but after processing, it certainly losses its flare, if someone is watching, if they wont change the processing, give us the option to shoot RAW and ill deal with it
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I haven't owned a phone with a memory card slot in about five years and haven't missed it
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I don't have any of above mentioned pro lens. And I am vary happy with the phone. Speakers are enough loud and the audio is perfect from the ear pads. No distortion at all.
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Same for me
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I haven't owned a phone with a memory card slot in about five years and haven't missed it
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Na, my old dear doesn't either but the she's 65 an can barely turn the phone on. I on the other hand have a requirement for an expansion slot, not just for additional storage but for peace of mind, knowing that should my phone go to the great rubbish dump in the sky, its important data is kept safe and to hand where ever I might be.
The 1 second slow-mo is a joke. And the blocked FM radio tuner is also a slap in the face of every Sony customer out there. Not to mention the other blocked features.
If you tell me what cloud service I can use, I will upload some photos.
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Na, my old dear doesn't either but the she's 65 an can barely turn the phone on. I on the other hand have a requirement for an expansion slot, not just for additional storage but for peace of mind, knowing that should my phone go to the great rubbish dump in the sky, its important data is kept safe and to hand where ever I might be.
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You ever heard of cloud storage grandpa.
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You ever heard of cloud storage grandpa.
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Yeah, its a wonderful service that, when you are connected to the internet, allows you to backup and stream data. The problem is moving 30GB of Data on to the cloud and downloading it takes a fair old toll on your Data plan unless you are connected to wifi and, shock horror, wifi isn't everywhere and even if it is, it can be A, Throttled, or B Data Limited which kinda sucks, it also takes a great deal of time.
What you are saying in a round about way is this, you don't actually need two legs these days, you can get away with a wheel chair in most places so actually, lets lob our legs off our new borns because they are clearly redundant. Ludicrous? yes but its the same with expansions slots, you don't NEED an expansion slot but having them can make life awfully simple.
Just the other day I decided to de-brand my XZp. Wiped the device and back up and running in a few min, all my work is exactly where I left it, all my photos are right there various other backups for a number of other apps plus music blar blar blar. all there, no fannying about having to download it all again
Disdrediting something as simple as a expansion slot is daft, yes not everyone needs them but if you do, its better to have and not need then need and not have. Same with the 3.5mm jack (which I notice my comment isn't being challenged as much on here) Do we need it? no, does it make life simple, yes.
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oh one other thing, my kids are like 12, I sincerely hope I'm not a Grandpa, around my neck of the woods Pre-Teen parents are thankfully few and far between, but I realise in some other parts of the world its more common practice, so just for future reference, I'm Not a Grandparent.
We all know the hardware capability is there but it has been bottlenecked on purpose. MHL anyone?
XZ Premium is for those who like the most advanced tech in their phone like a 4k Display, dual speakers, 960 slow mo camera, etc...
But it's definitely not for "Common Stream Product Lovers" like Samsung or Apple fanboys. As much as the Hardware is awesome and Sony Quality, the Drivers are terrible. All complaints you will hear about the XZ premium are in fact Software based.
- Wide Angle Camera has Distortion? Really? This is completely normal and expected. But this pushes people to complain because Sony isn't as good as coding a proper software to counter balance the distortion.
- Sound? That's completely relative in so many levels. First, when you listen to HD audio, the speakers are awesome. The sound can't be cleaner and the level is just right. But 90% of apps and low quality media will not sound as good. Again, it's a software issue. For some reason, you open an APP and the sound is too Loud and sounds really bad. You open another and you hear nothing. And sometimes you hear some high quality sound and go "wtf? The speakers are that good so why all the other stuff sounds so terrible?". Again, Sony's Drivers. It's like they don't even care.
4K Display? Best Display ever. And even better for VR. Do not believe that complete BS that LCD is not good for VR etc... I have written a whole thread about it, and there I explain how this is BS. The first 8K VR headset uses an LCD display. So what's the problem then? Again no Support from Sony for nice 4K Content, (Except Youtube), and not even any APP. And no, there's no shadow effect whatsoever. What people complain about is in fact the 30 FPS blurriness because of stereoscopic settings. ( Stereoscopy can't have a constant setting in any distance. So if an item on the image moves fast, this will cause the 3D effect to get off because sterescopy can't work at the same level wherever you look in the display. That's why Samsung is in fact working on a VR which tracks your eyes so they can focus immediately where you look. This will help them to not only fix the 3D continuity but also lower the need for resources by lowering the resolution anywhere you're not actually looking). (and btw, If XZ premium would allow its processor to play 4K at 60 FPS, even this wouldn't be an issue). But of course, this is less detectable on Amoled displays. Oh, Amoled have this problem too. The Note 7 Gear VR gets also blurry as any other 3D rendering device. Even 3D movie theaters have this problem. Finally, a 4K LCD is like 100000000x way better than any 2K Amoled. The absence of the screen door effect alone is worth it. But again, Sony doesn't even advertise that. Cause they really don't care.
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Dude. This is the BEST Phone you can get. Ever. The Note 8, iPhone 8, etc.. are all Complete BS next to this Phone....
BUT, once you buy it, you are left alone with it. Sony doesn't have your back like Samsung or Apple. So if you're not a Tech Enthousiast who takes time to tweak his phone, tweak Apps, etc.. Stay away from it.
Sony is simply the best and this phone is easily the best.
There's literally no other brand I can see myself buying since all have weird stuff going on.
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XZ Premium is for those who like the most advanced tech in their phone like a 4k Display, dual speakers, 960 slow mo camera, etc...
But it's definitely not for "Common Stream Product Lovers" like Samsung or Apple fanboys. As much as the Hardware is awesome and Sony Quality, the Drivers are terrible. All complaints you will hear about the XZ premium are in fact Software based.
- Wide Angle Camera has Distortion? Really? This is completely normal and expected. But this pushes people to complain because Sony isn't as good as coding a proper software to counter balance the distortion.
- Sound? That's completely relative in so many levels. First, when you listen to HD audio, the speakers are awesome. The sound can't be cleaner and the level is just right. But 90% of apps and low quality media will not sound as good. Again, it's a software issue. For some reason, you open an APP and the sound is too Loud and sounds really bad. You open another and you hear nothing. And sometimes you hear some high quality sound and go "wtf? The speakers are that good so why all the other stuff sounds so terrible?". Again, Sony's Drivers. It's like they don't even care.
4K Display? Best Display ever. And even better for VR. Do not believe that complete BS that LCD is not good for VR etc... I have written a whole thread about it, and there I explain how this is BS. The first 8K VR headset uses an LCD display. So what's the problem then? Again no Support from Sony for nice 4K Content, (Except Youtube), and not even any APP. And no, there's no shadow effect whatsoever. What people complain about is in fact the 30 FPS blurriness because of stereoscopic settings. ( Stereoscopy can't have a constant setting in any distance. So if an item on the image moves fast, this will cause the 3D effect to get off because sterescopy can't work at the same level wherever you look in the display. That's why Samsung is in fact working on a VR which tracks your eyes so they can focus immediately where you look. This will help them to not only fix the 3D continuity but also lower the need for resources by lowering the resolution anywhere you're not actually looking). (and btw, If XZ premium would allow its processor to play 4K at 60 FPS, even this wouldn't be an issue). But of course, this is less detectable on Amoled displays. Oh, Amoled have this problem too. The Note 7 Gear VR gets also blurry as any other 3D rendering device. Even 3D movie theaters have this problem. Finally, a 4K LCD is like 100000000x way better than any 2K Amoled. The absence of the screen door effect alone is worth it. But again, Sony doesn't even advertise that. Cause they really don't care.
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Dude. This is the BEST Phone you can get. Ever. The Note 8, iPhone 8, etc.. are all Complete BS next to this Phone....
BUT, once you buy it, you are left alone with it. Sony doesn't have your back like Samsung or Apple. So if you're not a Tech Enthousiast who takes time to tweak his phone, tweak Apps, etc.. Stay away from it.
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Totally agreed to this opinion. And I can add that for me it works on flawlessly. Battery, Sound on HI res audio is amazing.
lol i had the xperia xzp for about a week and what a phone it is the display and front speakers where amazing and i have always liked the design and the launcher of the xperias
what was bad for me was the camera and they always have been for me on xperia devices and ive had a few
xperia z,z1,z2,z3,xzp had them all and the cameras have always been the weak point for me which is really frustrating as on paper they have the best hardware for the cameras then all the competition but for me just seem to fail especially in low light
and now the whole not been able to root on locked bootloaders was it for me as ive never unlocked my bootloaders as ive never wanted to loose xreality ect
so i jumped on the bandwagon and now got the galaxy s8 plus but im starting to already miss my xzp
my views to anyone is get the xzp its a famous case of quality over quantity which all sony products not just phone have
There is certainly a lot more to a phone then benchmarks, I haven't yet seen a reliable means of benchmarking the UI, fluidity is one of the primary reasons I went for the XZp, but you can only really gauge that by watching it and comparing. personally I haven't experienced a single stutter despite very heavy usage and running some bloated crap not even once has this phone stuttered on the UI.
Its actually very impressive, but it's also entirely subjective.
On paper it may not appear to hold It's own when compared to others but in your hand I think it tells a different story.
I would like to see some evidence that Sony has deliberating DISABLED Features, I don't see how you can possibly know that to be true at this stage but if it is true then yes that's a single black mark against the XZp. Not sure FM radio is a deal breaker in my mind but each to their own
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While healthy debates over which brand is better are okay, please try to not cross the line and keep it civil. Remember, not everyone will share your opinion and whatever you say or do will change their opinion/thinking
Now lets try and help the OP regarding whether to buy the XZ Premium or not
Honestly, I'd wait to see what the XZ1 brings.
I went with the XZ Premium because I wanted a dual sim phone, and the Compacts don't seem to come with dual sim support.
I would have waited for the XZ1 Compact but the 4k really sold me on this thing. It's great for watching videos in VR (Although I need to to change the resolution with ADB first).
If you're not looking for dual sim, the XZ1 Compact *should* come with an S835. I'd go for that one, but that's just me.
A few months ago I was in Sam's Club, and an AT&T salesman cornered me to try to sell me a new phone. I wasn't really all that interested; but my goddaughter was with me and wasn't done shopping yet, so I figured I'd let him pitch me.
He started talking about the camera on whatever phone he was pushing, and I interrupted him. "I don't care about the camera," I said. "What chipset does it have?"
Almost without skipping a beat, he started talking about the camera again. So I stopped him again and asked about something else, probably the battery capacity.
He picked up right where he left off talking about the amazing camera. I walked away.
More recently, I've been looking at phones to possibly (well, inevitably, eventually) replace a V20. On practically every manufacturer's site, at least three quarters of the page for any given phone is devoted to the camera and all the things it can do. Sometimes I can't even find the specs I'm looking for and have to search for them on Google. Sometimes it seems almost as if the manufacturers want to hide the specs -- except for the camera -- even when they're quite impressive.
I rarely use the camera on my phone. When I do, it's usually to take a picture of the serial number of something I'm looking for parts for, showing someone how much snow fell where I live, or some similarly boring or mundane thing. It's the absolute last thing I care about on a phone. But it seems to be the thing manufacturers spend the most time marketing.
Trying to find out how the audio quality on the earpiece is, on the other hand, is almost impossible -- at least on Web sites. One would think they'd upload a sound sample because it is, after all, a phone. How it sounds should count for something, no?
The last time I was in an AT&T store to pick up a SIM card, they tried to sell me a phone. That's okay. It's what they do; and at that time, I was actually interested in the V20 (which I eventually wound up buying, but from a distributor). I asked the salesman if he had one activated that I could listen to. He looked at me like I had two heads. I guess he never came across a customer who actually wanted to know what a phone sounded like. Am I the only one left who actually uses phones to make phone calls?
My process of searching for a new phone goes something like this:
1. Narrow down by processor, chipset, and RAM.
2. Narrow down by band support.
3. Find YouTube teardown videos to determine the difficulty of replacing the batteries in the remaining candidates, and eliminate the ones that seem designed to make it as hard as possible.
4. Search for comments about sound quality and battery life.
5. Start looking for the best deals.
I couldn't care less about the cameras because even the worst ones are good enough for what I use them for. Apparently that makes me unusual. It seems to me that most people are looking for a high-quality camera that has Internet access more so than a communication device.
Richard
You are not the only one who doesn't care about phone camera quality. I use mobile phones for gaming, so when I buy phone I first look for it's GPU. Strong GPUs like Adreno 30 series (330, 430, 530, 540 and 630) means in most casses that phones have good CPU. Most today tasks can be done with 4GB of RAM so does phone have 4, 6 or 8gb ram it's no so important for now.
Lilke Studio said:
You are not the only one who doesn't care about phone camera quality. I use mobile phones for gaming, so when I buy phone I first look for it's GPU. Strong GPUs like Adreno 30 series (330, 430, 530, 540 and 630) means in most casses that phones have good CPU. Most today tasks can be done with 4GB of RAM so does phone have 4, 6 or 8gb ram it's no so important for now.
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I tend to keep phones for a long time, so I lean toward bleeding edge hardware. But this obsession with camera quality is starting to get a little ridiculous. Unless people are blowing up the images to poster size, I think we got past the human eye's ability to see the difference quite a while ago.
Another thing I don't care about is whether the phone is waterproof. I'll take a removable battery over waterproofing any day. Also, considering that I own two GoPro cameras that I use underwater all the time, I think the excuse that a phone can't be waterproof and have a removable (or at least user-replaceable) battery is hogwash anyway.
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I tend to keep phones for a long time, so I lean toward bleeding edge hardware. But this obsession with camera quality is starting to get a little ridiculous. Unless people are blowing up the images to poster size, I think we got past the human eye's ability to see the difference quite a while ago.
Another thing I don't care about is whether the phone is waterproof. I'll take a removable battery over waterproofing any day. Also, considering that I own two GoPro cameras that I use underwater all the time, I think the excuse that a phone can't be waterproof and have a removable (or at least user-replaceable) battery is hogwash anyway.
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If you want good camera for big posters and images use DSLR or professional cameras like Sony, Cannon or Nikon for that. Phone cameras will never reach that level of quality because their objective is too small. For every other needs phone camera is just fine. You are right human eye can see differences only on big screens and on high zooms.
Lilke Studio said:
If you want good camera for big posters and images use DSLR or professional cameras like Sony, Cannon or Nikon for that. Phone cameras will never reach that level of quality because their objective is too small. For every other needs phone camera is just fine. You are right human eye can see differences only on big screens and on high zooms.
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Exactly.
Well I care about one good main camera. I don't care for multiple lens, portrait mode, wide angled and all those gimmicks. I think tech reviewers lost touch with reality and most regular people in the real world rarely use all those gimmick features. Having a manual mode is more important to me than the additional lens and gimmicks.
I agree with you OP. Processor, GPU, and RAM are the things most important to me when choosing a phone. That’s what makes a phone snappy and fast. The next are battery life and price. I think for the average buyer, pretty much every phone satisfies their basic need (browsing and running some apps like facebook). What makes them different is the camera, so manufacturers try to capitalize on that.
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I agree with you OP. Processor, GPU, and RAM are the things most important to me when choosing a phone. That’s what makes a phone snappy and fast. The next are battery life and price. I think for the average buyer, pretty much every phone satisfies their basic need (browsing and running some apps like facebook). What makes them different is the camera, so manufacturers try to capitalize on that.
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I agree; and as much as I think the obsession with cameras is silly, at least it's one of the more-positive tactics manufacturers use to sell new phones to people who really don't need them.
Other than gamers, few average users will really notice much (if any) difference in the performance that the hardware improvements of the past few years make possible. If you're using your phone primarily for SMS, WhatsApp, and checking your Twitter and FecesBook feeds, there's little subjective difference between a four-year-old flagship phone and one built this morning.
Natural obsolescence is a function of how a device is used and the demands that newer software make on the device; and most of the software that average users use most simply isn't all that resource-intensive. Either of my V20's are subjectively as zippy today as they were the day I bought them, even on stock ROM with few mods other than uninstalling LG's and AT&T's useless crapware and disabling Google apps that I don't need, when running apps that most typical users use most.
So how to get users to replace phones that still do what they need them to do, and still do it quite well? Enhanced cameras and other gimmicks that may be useless in the real world, but still elicit an "Oh wow!" response, are at least an honest tactic. If people want to pay for useless gimmickry, more power to them. Personally, I'd prefer a cutting-edge processor and GPU, more RAM, and more complete band coverage, than a 108MP camera whose capabilities I'll NEVER make use of. But at least fancy cameras are honest, even if useless for most people.
The tactics that really turn me off -- to the point of swearing of a manufacturer altogether -- are those specifically designed to bring about obsolescence. Making batteries difficult to replace is the most obvious example. I always watch teardown videos before buying a phone, and the degree to which manufacturers are going to assure that average users can't replace their phones' batteries is infuriating to me.
Hiding the battery behind a bazillion cables and connectors is one thing. That makes replacement tedious, but not dangerous. Gluing the battery into the phone, on the other hand, can cause less-knowledgeable DIY-ers to lose their fingers, hands, or eyes if they don't know better than to try to pry the battery out of the phone without somehow loosening the glue.
To me, that's just unconscionable; and although I hope it never happens to anyone, if it does happen, I hope that person sues the living **** out of the phone's manufacturer, wins, and puts them out of business.
The manufacturers' arguments in favor of gluing the batteries in are nonsense. There is no functional reason to glue the battery in at all, much less that tenaciously. The argument that it will rattle otherwise is garbage. All the phones I've owned except one have had removable batteries. None of them rattled. I'm sitting here shaking a V20 as I type this. It doesn't rattle.
Planned obsolescence is bad enough. Planned obsolescence using methods that can maim people is despicable.
I think I can understand why manufacturers opted to use non-removable batteries. It allows them to reduce the phone's thickness (this was the trend when iphone 6 was released). It also allows them to make irregular-shaped batteries, like the one in iphone x, to make room for other components. Last is that it makes it easier for manufacturers to waterproof their device. Though, I agree with you that gluing the battery to the phone is overkill. A simple double-sided tape is enough.
Hello everyone. Is anybody there who is not satisfied with "supposed to be more than great" photo qualily from the main camera at least or I'm alone here? Coming from Galaxies, Pixels and Huawei flagship phones, I was expecting to get not less than impressive photos from the main camera. At least hardware specs, Sony Alpha team support, Zeiss optics etc gave some confidence in it. But for some reason I'm getting only good enough photos in the perfect light conditions (which every dirt cheap midranger can do these days). Once light conditions are different from perfect all I get is hit or miss all the time, blurry shots, low details (especially when you zoom in a bit), water painting, wrong colours, softness, wrong exposure - picture is just falling apart regardless of what camera app was used. WTF!? Am I asking too much from nearly $1000 camera-focused phone or as Sony fanboys suggested "I've got a faulty unit"? Thanks
Camera is bad, I wish it had a good one but it's just average in sunlight and during nighttime it sucks. I like the phone but definitely the camera is not good
The Alpha team's work is very obvious on the phone. Having several Alpha cameras, I'm able to get similar results with similar techniques between my phone and Alpha cameras, which makes the 5 II feel more like a seamless tool to me. Alpha images are not like Huawei and Samsung images (I also have a P30 Pro). They have more natural and less saturated colors and take more life like and less processed photos. Those may not be to your taste, which is fine. It's impossible to simply say one camera takes "better pictures" than the other.
I shoot almost exclusively in RAW with the Pro Photo app, and I'm quite pleased with the detail and color saturation. I use Lightroom to process the files, and it helps control most of the noise in low light scenarios with high ISO. But, the phone will not take the same dim to no light shots that the P30 Pro does while being handheld. You can get similar results with a tripod and manually controlling exposure.
Another key difference between my 5II and my P30 Pro is the focus speed and accuracy. One of my frequent subjects is a fast moving small child, and my P30 Pro misses the shot about 90% of the time because it's so slow to acquire focus. The 5 II is not quite as fast as my Alpha, but it finds the eye pretty reliably and takes the pictures in a small fraction of a second. This is probably the most obvious place of the Alpha team's influence and tuning. It's even way faster than my wife's iPhone 11 Pro.
I understand why some are displeased with the camera on the 5 II. It's all about expectations being aligned with reality and personal preference on how a photo looks. So, when a camera doesn't meet your expectations, find one that does. That's why I moved from Huawei to Sony, and I'm pleased with the results. There are others that will choose to go the opposite direction for very good reasons.
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Hello everyone. Is anybody there who is not satisfied with "supposed to be more than great" photo qualily from the main camera at least or I'm alone here? Coming from Galaxies, Pixels and Huawei flagship phones, I was expecting to get not less than impressive photos from the main camera. At least hardware specs, Sony Alpha team support, Zeiss optics etc gave some confidence in it. But for some reason I'm getting only good enough photos in the perfect light conditions (which every dirt cheap midranger can do these days). Once light conditions are different from perfect all I get is hit or miss all the time, blurry shots, low details (especially when you zoom in a bit), water painting, wrong colours, softness, wrong exposure - picture is just falling apart regardless of what camera app was used. WTF!? Am I asking too much from nearly $1000 camera-focused phone or as Sony fanboys suggested "I've got a faulty unit"? Thanks
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Just because you spend a lot of money on a camera, doesn't mean you will take good pictures. Good pictures are about the camera and understanding how it works. If you want snaps, stick to your samsung. The Xperia is about taking pictures with the Pro app. If that's too complicated for you, then don't moan about how poor your photography is.
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Just because you spend a lot of money on a camera, doesn't mean you will take good pictures. Good pictures are about the camera and understanding how it works. If you want snaps, stick to your samsung. The Xperia is about taking pictures with the Pro app. If that's too complicated for you, then don't moan about how poor your photography is.
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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The secrert of a good picture rests between the shutter button and your eye. Good luck finding your great pictures.
WarVic said:
Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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That was a non-productive response. While the 5 II may not be your preferred tool for photography, going with term like "dinky" and "piece of junk" imply you have nothing substantive to talk about on the topic. The field of phones is wonderfully diverse right now, with so many choices to find what fits your style and preference. No need to turn it into a pissing contest of "better" or "worse." But, I guess from the wording of your original post, that's all you were interested in, rather than a meaningful discussion on the pros and cons of hardware.
While you took his response as "clever" and insulting, he wasn't wrong. Different skill sets are required to get the most of different hardware. I have friends who shoot film cameras with wonderful results, and I know that's beyond me. Likewise, Pixels and iPhones can give incredible results without much skill or effort on the part of the user, and that's exactly what computational photography is designed to do. It's a great advancement, that shouldn't be diminished. But, I can match my wife's iPhone 11 Pro's photo quality (sharpness, exposure, color accuracy) with my 5 II. But she simply points and shoots, while I have to tweak some settings, take a RAW picture and process it Lightroom. Neither is better. It's preference. I prefer the control and the process I use because I enjoy it. And my work flow takes only a minute or so per picture, so not a big deal.
Glad to see you'll be moving to other forums. Enjoy the Pixel. They are fantastic.
WarVic said:
Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way, you take a picture and it takes forever, I think it tries to use slower shutter speeds in order to shoot with lower iso for less noise, but when I compare with an iphone xs noise level are similar with the difference that iphone autofocus is much better and reliable and when you shoot it doesn't take forever to process a single photo. There's also an annoying halo effect on photos, they market lens as zeiss but I never had such a thing with other phones. Also when you take videos you see a huge difference with a 3 years old iphone, stabilization on iphone is great, on Xperia is meh, video dynamic range is limited, exposure low in dim light. The eye autofocus it doesn't seems to work that well, lots of photos are out of focus and in a low light situation you are sure that your subject will be blurry if it moves even slightly, I know a phone camera can't do miracles but I'm just comparing with another device that is 3 years older that didn't give me all these issues. Definitely go with an iPhone if you need a decent smartphone camera.
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way [...]
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As many have pointed out already, point and shoot is not where the Xperia shines. It's the manual control in Camera Pro and the results you can archieve with that. I personally like that, therefore I don't think "a phone should be a point and shoot device" per se. It's great to have a diversity of options on the market, isn't it?
Regarding video: As far as I know no one was yet able to match the iPhone's video stabilisation. Nevertheless I was able to get very good video on the Xperia and if you use a gimbal, you also get that iPhone smoothness if desired.
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That was a non-productive response. While the 5 II may not be your preferred tool for photography, going with term like "dinky" and "piece of junk" imply you have nothing substantive to talk about on the topic. The field of phones is wonderfully diverse right now, with so many choices to find what fits your style and preference. No need to turn it into a pissing contest of "better" or "worse." But, I guess from the wording of your original post, that's all you were interested in, rather than a meaningful discussion on the pros and cons of hardware.
While you took his response as "clever" and insulting, he wasn't wrong. Different skill sets are required to get the most of different hardware. I have friends who shoot film cameras with wonderful results, and I know that's beyond me. Likewise, Pixels and iPhones can give incredible results without much skill or effort on the part of the user, and that's exactly what computational photography is designed to do. It's a great advancement, that shouldn't be diminished. But, I can match my wife's iPhone 11 Pro's photo quality (sharpness, exposure, color accuracy) with my 5 II. But she simply points and shoots, while I have to tweak some settings, take a RAW picture and process it Lightroom. Neither is better. It's preference. I prefer the control and the process I use because I enjoy it. And my work flow takes only a minute or so per picture, so not a big deal.
Glad to see you'll be moving to other forums. Enjoy the Pixel. They are fantastic.
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Your "professional" response made me laughing out loud in the place when you're talking about "Different SKILL SET" and applying it to ..... A PHONE. Seriously man?! Just listen yourself! Just to clarify once again, the main purpose of any smartphone is to make quick, hustle-free photos on the go. And the more expensive phone, the better it should do it - simpler, cleaner menu / handling, faster focus and overall camera performance and most importantly better outcome. Other features like pro manual mode are optional and secondary. I think everything you do with your Xperia 5 II is just ... wasting you time, nothing more. I believe you have to follow your wife experience. She definitely knows how not to waste time playing with questionable "results" from Xperia. You will never match clever Apple/ Google AI, sorry. You think that you can but in reality you CAN NOT, sorry. Don't lie yourself!
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way, you take a picture and it takes forever, I think it tries to use slower shutter speeds in order to shoot with lower iso for less noise, but when I compare with an iphone xs noise level are similar with the difference that iphone autofocus is much better and reliable and when you shoot it doesn't take forever to process a single photo. There's also an annoying halo effect on photos, they market lens as zeiss but I never had such a thing with other phones. Also when you take videos you see a huge difference with a 3 years old iphone, stabilization on iphone is great, on Xperia is meh, video dynamic range is limited, exposure low in dim light. The eye autofocus it doesn't seems to work that well, lots of photos are out of focus and in a low light situation you are sure that your subject will be blurry if it moves even slightly, I know a phone camera can't do miracles but I'm just comparing with another device that is 3 years older that didn't give me all these issues. Definitely go with an iPhone if you need a decent smartphone camera.
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Absolutely agree with every single word. iPhone guarantees not only outstanding photos and videos in every situation regardless of shakiness of my hands or "skill set" by the way. There are too damn many thing where Xperia is miles away from iPhone. I don't relly want to name them because it's just ridiculous! How can we compare the latest Lexus (iPhone) with old rusty Fiat Punto (Xperia).
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Your "professional" response made me laughing out loud in the place when you're talking about "Different SKILL SET" and applying it to ..... A PHONE. Seriously man?! Just listen yourself! Just to clarify once again, the main purpose of any smartphone is to make quick, hustle-free photos on the go. And the more expensive phone, the better it should do it - simpler, cleaner menu / handling, faster focus and overall camera performance and most importantly better outcome. Other features like pro manual mode are optional and secondary. I think everything you do with your Xperia 5 II is just ... wasting you time, nothing more. I believe you have to follow your wife experience. She definitely knows how not to waste time playing with questionable "results" from Xperia. You will never match clever Apple/ Google AI, sorry. You think that you can but in reality you CAN NOT, sorry. Don't lie yourself!
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I'm no professional. I just stick to data when discussing things. "Waste of time" is quite subjective. Do you consider doing things you enjoy doing a "waste of time"? I suspect not. As I clearly stated, Pro modes are secondary to a lot of people, but for some of us, they are primary. And Sony is catering to that which is appreciated. As I said, if you don't appreciate it, that's not a problem, and the market is full of great choices that prioritizes quick snapshots. But, to so vocally criticize something for not meeting expectations in an area is wasn't trying to is rather petty on your part, in my opinion.
Why take a forum that's great such a great place for information sharing and try to reduce it to a place for insult hurling? Am I to assume you have nothing productive to add to the discussion? Then, why post here?
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I'm no professional. I just stick to data when discussing things. "Waste of time" is quite subjective. Do you consider doing things you enjoy doing a "waste of time"? I suspect not. As I clearly stated, Pro modes are secondary to a lot of people, but for some of us, they are primary. And Sony is catering to that which is appreciated. As I said, if you don't appreciate it, that's not a problem, and the market is full of great choices that prioritizes quick snapshots. But, to so vocally criticize something for not meeting expectations in an area is wasn't trying to is rather petty on your part, in my opinion.
Why take a forum that's great such a great place for information sharing and try to reduce it to a place for insult hurling? Am I to assume you have nothing productive to add to the discussion? Then, why post here?
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You're taking his bait too easily.
I didn't see much discussion here. All I did is uploaded few crappy shots from Xperia 5. Vast majority of them were deleted straight away though. Anyway there were no lack of really bad shots (=missed moments) from that phone. And it was VERY unexpected - I didn't have such bad experience with any flagship camera-phone before. And, as I expected, few people=blind Sony fanboys here did typical Sony fanboys thing - blamed me for being dummy crook handed idiot who doesn't know how to take pictures properly with a state of art. precious Xperia 5 II . Sure there is no way to blame overhyped, way below competition camera system, lack of proper AI implementation, fraudlent T* Zeiss glass coating (supposed to reduce lens flares but in reality it catches them more often than any other camera). I'm a much easier target, Sony are unspoiled "gods".
I have had a few instances with bad flare that have been surprising, because I don't have those issues with my Zeiss camera lenses. Not a huge deal, as it doesn't impact very many shots that I take. It seems to be an issue with full sunlight, but not a problem with artificial light being in a dimly lit scene.
I think WarVic expected the camera experience to be on an Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level and somehow took it way too harsh when it turned out to be different. It's ok to be disappointed, luckily there are brands on the market who cater to his expectations, so no problem, right? What I don't get is how he cannot accept that other people are happy with their Xperia without being mindless fanboys. Why so butthurt? Live and let live, innit?
I understand that you might be happy with an Xperia phone overall because it works, looks nice, feels good in the hand, quite rare and just because you paid a lot for it. But this is pretty much it. Cameras outcome is subbar to every other camera focused phone in this price category. And I can't understand how someone can't appreciate when something or someone else does the job for you, save your time. It's absolutely obvious that "Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level" is the only way to get something really good from tiny smartphone cameras. Also it is laughable & foolish to even think that somehow you can do better job in Lightroom or in other apps then AI / computational processing power. As you might not know, behind so called "computational photography" is a hard work of super talented programmers team. Do you really think that you can do better job then them???? The only reason Sony doesn't have it is becasue they just don't wanna invest into it. They know that they will never get sales numbers anywhere around even OnePlus level and even 2% of smartphones market share is unreal with their current marketing strategy (it's better to say the absence of it). So computational photography will be pure waste of money for Sony and it is much easier and better to have "unique" approach giving people instruments, "let them decide how their photos will look", to play with people's "creativity". How clever you are, Sony! Bravo!
Why did you even buy the phone? All the reviews tell you that the normal camera app is not as great as on other devices.
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Why did you even buy the phone? All the reviews tell you that the normal camera app is not as great as on other devices.
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No every review tells you that PhotoPro app isn't better at all. Sony wants you to believe in placebo - PhotoPro. It reality it doesn't make a difference regardless of your skills. All you have to do is to believe that PhotoPro is a game changer. If you have a good look at the beginning of my post, I uploaded photos examples, all taken by PhotoPro. Sure I have brilliant shots but of static objects in perfect light conditions only. 20 frames burst won't help. So trust me, if you take this smartphone to a once in a lifetime trip with your family, this smartphone will ruin it. Otherwise you might be good to go. If you are alone, have plenty of time, mostly shooting nature or buildings, don't mind to take numerous attempts, don't care about reliability, consistency and more than just good outcome in photography then Xperia is certainly for you.
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I understand that you might be happy with an Xperia phone overall because it works, looks nice, feels good in the hand, quite rare and just because you paid a lot for it. But this is pretty much it. Cameras outcome is subbar to every other camera focused phone in this price category. And I can't understand how someone can't appreciate when something or someone else does the job for you, save your time. It's absolutely obvious that "Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level" is the only way to get something really good from tiny smartphone cameras. Also it is laughable & foolish to even think that somehow you can do better job in Lightroom or in other apps then AI / computational processing power. As you might not know, behind so called "computational photography" is a hard work of super talented programmers team. Do you really think that you can do better job then them???? The only reason Sony doesn't have it is becasue they just don't wanna invest into it. They know that they will never get sales numbers anywhere around even OnePlus level and even 2% of smartphones market share is unreal with their current marketing strategy (it's better to say the absence of it). So computational photography will be pure waste of money for Sony and it is much easier and better to have "unique" approach giving people instruments, "let them decide how their photos will look", to play with people's "creativity". How clever you are, Sony! Bravo!
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This is getting a bit boring and repetitive now.
Time to move on and accept not everyone shares the same opinion as you