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http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
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sohebq said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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Former S user using Note 3 and more then happy, next phone will be a Note series, S series no more thanks.
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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A lot of that is not a matter of "being faithful to the brand" but instead a combination of a very minor part of that plus:
- no alternative to S-Pen
- no alternative phablets with microSD + replaceable battery + enough mass to have both a decent accessory market and a decent ROM prospect in the future (if you think that Samsung is not great with the updates consider that most of the Chinese stuff never gets any update and are never supported by something like CM).
That being said - the Note line is not the main cash-cow, 3-5 million units is very little compared to 50 million units; it is far from zero so it is a pretty lucrative niche, but still not in the first line, and the way I see the evolution of things with Samsung I would expect that S5 mini might get a lot more attention from a certain segment of the market (but that depends a lot on the specs and even more so on the price).
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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Very true. I do miss the size of the smaller phones though. But when it comes to reading and watching media, note is brilliant
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Speaker sound is "muffled" that's for sure, and the volume a bit low... Even my previous S3 sounded better, especially when applying the volume increase MOD (Ahhhh... miss the root features, :crying... I know it's too much to ask for apart from all the premium features, but another speaker on the top would have given the sound a great stereo, surround feel
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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Dual 4MP, not familiar with that system, but it's still a 1/3.0" sensor. The problem is they make smartphone CMOS from the rubbush left over from the plate they use to make the rest of the sensors. Middle bit of the plate is the best and goes in a Full-frame, next the APS-C, then the lower end DSLRs, then the high end compacts, then the low end compacts, and whatever is left over is used in smartphones.
So even with 100Map ,you'd still get the aquarel effect, blur, noise and colour issues. We're quintessentially dealing with rubbish.
Wait for a few of the serious picture tests, they might give a better indication.
imho the only android device that competes with an iPhone is the Google nexus series . Apple is a lot better than Samsung quality wise , also their warranty is a lot less a hassle , Sammy has lost its way and is actually writing its own version of the communist manifesto.
Despite KNOX and things like cheap plastic, I still like Samsung for many reasons. They will always create products that will fit users need and they will present it that way. For those who are not on note series considers it huge in size, not pocket friendly and so on. But those who have used it knows that this is true class of Samsung and this is to be kept. I have seen many S series users moving away from Samsung but hardly saw anyone from note series to move. This is Loyalty.
Just bought my 1st Windows phone to test out. Is this still a good phone? I would love your thoughts.
Just bought this phone as well to see what all the noise is about the camera.
I tested it against my nexus 5 and the zoom was incredible shot out of 20th floor window, but I have not taken it anywhere yet to take real photos.
I would like to hears other thoughts as well.
I think we are the only 2 people that own this phone and visit xda
yeah I think so as well.
Probably since MS locked it down so hard and it can not be rooted, maybe people lost interest.
This is my test phone and that time when we all wish we had a good camera device to take a quick picture(now waiting on that moment.)
Nexus 5 is still my daily driver, but I like this phone a lot.
To answer you original question, from everyone I have talked to this is still one of the best, if not the best camera/phone combination out there.
It's still the best camera phone (maybe except Nokia 808 with bigger sensor, but no stabilization). Lumix CM1 should be much better, but will cost twice more and it still isn't in sale.
Is there any camera app to allow me to set exposure time more than 4s like default application?
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Is there any camera app to allow me to set exposure time more than 4s like default application?
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I saw this app on a couple of forums.
it cost 1.99 in US store.
didn ot say alot about exposure though
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/proshot/3d6a3d7e-5aca-4aee-b059-590b9f53cc13
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I saw this app on a couple of forums.
it cost 1.99 in US store.
didn ot say alot about exposure though
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/proshot/3d6a3d7e-5aca-4aee-b059-590b9f53cc13
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Thanks, but nope, I checked trial version 5 min ago and maximum time is 4 seconds too.
Do your guys camera kinda rattle when you put the phone down?
Or if you tap the phone earlier against your hand?
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Do your guys camera kinda rattle when you put the phone down?
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I looked that up when I first got the phone. Can't remember where I found the information, but it is just the OIS element.
I'm not a camera guy so I looked up OIS element. It appears that regular cameras have the rattle as well.
OIS = Optical Image Stabilization
New one to me.
Most said that if the rattle stops then you are in trouble.
Long story short Rattle is good.
Guys visit the site for detailed information Windows Phones and anything related to Lumia/ Win Phone
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/
I've bought and tried almost every smartphone with a good camera.
Nokia Lumia 1020 takes the best photos of all till now...
The pureview technology is unique...
As a previous owner of lumia 1020. My thoughts and info.
Currently I am a note 3 user. Lumia 1020 was for me a very good phone. My only issue is that earpiece volume was low (Small ear problem due to my work, but I can say iphone and now note 3 are double lowder) . At first it was perfect. After the 8 update it went lower. Restored to the initial version but no improvement. Kept and updated to 8.1........ still the same. Contacted microsoft but no answer given (dah). If the volume was higher I would never have sold it. I was an iphone user, android, lumia, iphone and now again on android. These are my conclusion on personal experience.
1. Camera is far far superior than other phones. YES. By far. I dont know about the iphone 6.
2. Rattle noise of the camera is a little bit disturbing but as I have read its on the stabilisation of the camera.
3. Windows os is FASTER than any other (Yes I have previously rooted my HTC m7 and used custom roms)
4. Support from microsoft sucks (sorry but they have not answered any of my emails with a solution)
5. To take great photos you have to study and learn the camera 's features.
Do I miss my Lumia? YES
Will I ever buy a Lumia? YES ( thinking of the 930 but I saw many issues with that as well.) In a year or two if they take their jobs seriously they can make unbelievable smartphones.
Hope I have helped someone.
stunning camera. Way above anything else.
I've been using the phone since June 2014. It has a STUNNING camera and I've been a serious DLSR photographer since 2004.
Its not all things to all men but low light and detail from the large 41.3-megapixel BSI CMOS image sensor are v good. Its a FX - full frame camera in a phone without the add-on lenses. FX on a DLSR is £1000 entry level.
I perhaps wish I had more control over the photographic process. I'd love a variable Neutral Density Filter. I'd love a simple HDR app.
I'd like better 3rd party apps. I think this camera\Nokia 1020 will ultimately fail in the market as it is locked down by MS and Nokia. Such a shame....and self defeating. Camera 10/10.
I tried to debrand it when I got it. Failed.
No WP equivalent Cyanogen Mod or simple 8.1 for me then.
it is locked down by MS and Nokia. Such a shame....and self defeating. Camera 10/10.
I tried to debrand it when I got it. Failed.
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My 1020 is on Consumer Cellular which uses the AT&T network.
I did not have to unlock it.
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I came frome the LG G2, which still has one of the best Android cameras, and I'm really impressed. I'd never have thought that a smartphone camera is this good.
And yes, the rattling is the OIS
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I've bought and tried almost every smartphone with a good camera.
Nokia Lumia 1020 takes the best photos of all till now...
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Especially since no other can do 4x FHD zoom without serious quality drop
Mine glass broke while moving and I bought galaxy s4+ while waiting repairs and I decided to keep it, since the operating system gives so much leeway...
Only problem is that now I have to use burst to get even one good image even in good light
I upgraded to Nexus 6 but always carry the 1020 for pictures can't beat the camera
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Hi there guys. Im not new in the forums but new to this threads. I used to have Motorolas and still love them, awesome devices and still think the best out there, at least in Android side, but my GF took mine for a game and gave me this Lumia 1020. which to be honest i sold her the idea of getting it in the first place.
So far ive been investigating as many people talks too much BS about 41 megapixels not being important bla bla...
My findings so far:
The phone specs are medium to high compared to pocket cameras. The quality is actually amazing, a few small details as with anything but i think its just perfect to avoid buying a camera. I just dont like that the zoom is not that much, to be honest its great when im at an stadium and i take this pictures that are simply amazing compared to what any other smartphone can take, but if i want to zoom then im the one with the crappiest zoom. But i bought this Lensung zoom 12X and im going to check it once it arrives in a couple of weeks or more.
There are some cool apps out there for this camera so the biggest problem is to know which one fits you better, thats why i have about 8 apps installed. Ive been playing with some and they all fit somehow. Im an amateur photo lover beginner in the lowest level but damn this camera makes me look at least as a good enough camera man he he he.
Issues so far: i hate the phone overheats but i know it is normal.
No real quality lenses out there (im going to test the one i mentioned but not sure its gonna be good enough yet)
Possible advantages:
Ive seen people working on creating cases that fit real lenses, professional ones, waiting for the results and possibilities to buy them.
And one last thing, in the party a couple weeks ago every single person started taking pictures... i was the one taking pictures at the end of the party as there was no match for this camera-phone, simply they all surrendered to its quality pictures, iPhone lovers, Android lovers, Samsung lovers, all of them. So yes, this phone is still the best camera phone you will find!
Compilation of reviews from different sites:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/02/moto-x-pure-edition-review/
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/2/9248101/new-motorola-moto-x-review-2015-pure-edition
http://reviews.gizmodo.com/moto-x-pure-edition-review-this-phone-does-android-bet-1728270123
http://blogs.wsj.com/personal-techn...ew-one-of-the-years-best-smartphone-bargains/
http://www.cnet.com/products/motorola-moto-x-pure/
https://www.androidpit.com/motorola-moto-x-style-review
http://androidandme.com/2015/09/reviews/motorola-moto-x-pure-edition-review/
Video Reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfPPEDWqRxI&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCsZc0mFYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_qS8pXcxVk
https://youtu.be/ewrjX3YZErs?t=57m3s
There is also a review on "the verge" but i cant post the link since i am new here, rules are the rules
The paragraph on the display in the verge review literally provided nothing useful.
Gizmodo and Wired have their reviews on line
Wired
http://www.wired.com/2015/09/review-moto-x-pure-edition/
Gizmodo
http://reviews.gizmodo.com/moto-x-pure-edition-review-this-phone-does-android-bet-1728270123
WSJ
http://blogs.wsj.com/personal-techn...ew-one-of-the-years-best-smartphone-bargains/
CNET
http://www.cnet.com/products/motorola-moto-x-pure/
All reviews I've seen range from claiming that the Moto X (2015) is mediocre but solid, to being the savior of Android in 2015.
It did make Wired's top 3 phones, along with Galaxy S6+ and iPhone 6.
They are calling it "higher-end midranger"
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Midrange? Mediocre? I mean its not the top of the flight device but its still on par with lg g4, they basically have the same specs. The camera might not be so good on low light but lets wait and see, if the device is stable with stock android, does not over heat, have a regular updates and its made of fine material i cant see that any review will stop me from buying it :good:
Edit: oh, and i almost forgot the battery, hope its not that bad
I'm holding off for root and hands on reviews from people here. No reason to rush out but I can't wait to see how much activity this forum gets over the coming weeks.
I live in Europe so by then i hope i ll get pretty much good picture about the device, lets hope for the best :victory:
I just watched the Verge review of this phone on YouTube. The worste review ever ... If I didnt know any better I'd say the Style is crap after wathing that. That guy needs to be sacked - Useless!
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I just watched the Verge review of this phone on YouTube. The worste review ever ... If I didnt know any better I'd say the Style is crap after wathing that. That guy needs to be sacked - Useless!
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Couldnt agree more, the weird thing is that the score at the end of the written review is not bad at all but watching the video review part is like they guy is talking about different phone. They probably think that apple makes perfect phones :laugh:
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Couldnt agree more, the weird thing is that the score at the end of the written review is not bad at all but watching the video review part is like they guy is talking about different phone. They probably think that apple makes perfect phones :laugh:
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I couldn't agree more! In fact, I bought my first Apple Iphone: 6+ (second hand at reduced price on Swappa) and let me tell you, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Slow, inefficient OS. I don't understand why people are devoted to Iphones, other than build quality and camera (which is now a moot point). Makes no sense. I am re-selling on Swappa or ebay..and it is now my last Iphone.
Strange reviews from the sites linked to in this thread. Reading them, I don't know much about the phone that I didn't to begin with. The camera gets some attention, but things like the speakers and the specifics of the display don't. How good do the speakers sound? What do they sound like? How's the volume? There's some mention that the HTC BoomSound speakers are better. That's fine. But some detail? More importantly, what about the display? A few reviewers complained that it's not as good as the AMOLED is on Samsung devices. Personally, I don't much care for AMOLED displays, though they have their strengths. How accurate are the colors on the new Style? Are the whites bright and genuinely white? (They aren't on AMOLED displays, a major problem, at least for me.)
I'm not one to study benchmarks extensively. Some general info about them is fine for me. But I do want some detail. Just saying "I like it" or "I don't like it" doesn't do anyone any good.
I suppose that the reviews we get from the geekier sites will fill in a few blanks. That and feedback from early users here.
I completely agree. The Engadget review seems the best one so far. Verge was terrible.
Based on these reviews, the battery doesn't seem too great, just mediocre. Hopefully we'll get better reviews from mkhd and/or android authority.
If the battery is that bad, I may hope the Huawei Nexus has a bigger battery and is around the $400 price range. If not, hopefully the Motorola Force? That is if it isn't a Verizon exclusive and the price is around $400.
Last resort is the Oneplus 2.
I know it will take a while but I will wait for Erica Griffin's or anandtech's review of this phone and maybe get it on sale on blk friday.
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I know it will take a while but I will wait for Erica Griffin's or anandtech's review of this phone and maybe get it on sale on blk friday.
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I bet Erica will hate the screen. She is big on amoled/warm screens so probably will talk about how much she hates the screen. I'll bet you a "thanks" on that ?
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I bet Erica will hate the screen. She is big on amoled/warm screens so probably will talk about how much she hates the screen. I'll bet you a "thanks" on that ��
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If she hates the screen, but gives a good description of what it looks like, at least we'll have some useful information. Where does she write?
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I know it will take a while but I will wait for Erica Griffin's or anandtech's review of this phone and maybe get it on sale on blk friday.
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If she hates the screen, but gives a good description of what it looks like, at least we'll have some useful information. Where does she write?
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Normally youtube, she is huge on displays and will run all sorts of tests on it.
On another note I found this review helpful https://youtu.be/dfPPEDWqRxI
That CNET review really glorified the Note 5. As an owner of the Note 4, I know it's strengths. The Note 5 shares none of those strengths. And I know its weaknesses. The Note 5 shares them all.
Sorry Samsung, you're dead to me. Can't wait for my Moto X.
Are we reaching a stage with our mobile phones where they have become cameras with a phone attached?
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not even close, while the S8+ camera is great, it doesn't hold a candle to my Canon T6i and there are way better cameras than mine.
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not even close, while the S8+ camera is great, it doesn't hold a candle to my Canon T6i and there are way better cameras than mine.
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Sorry I poorly wrote my post. What I mean is, is the main focus on today's mobiles centered around the camera. I know any DSLR will produce better picture quality. Its just that so much is made of the cameras in today's mobile phones? They appear number one priority when making a mobile phone choice?
Sorry about the confusion.
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Sorry I poorly wrote my post. What I mean is, is the main focus on today's mobiles centered around the camera. I know any DSLR will produce better picture quality. Its just that so much is made of the cameras in today's mobile phones? They appear number one priority when making a mobile phone choice?
Sorry about the confusion.
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I agree it's an important decision. It's not my main one though but it's high on the list. If you think about it, people spend a lot of time capturing pictures for facebook, instagram, etc. and you want to have a good camera but not have to carry a dedicated camera everywhere you go. I like to take pictures a lot and sometimes for those surprise moments (dogs doing something funny) I just don't have the ability to grab my bulky DSLR and take pictures.
thing is I want these pictures to look good later, if you just want the pictures for social media it only matters so much because the compression kills quality. I hate uploading pictures from my DSLR to facebook, feels like taking a ferrari and taking a hammer to it. Ruins the picture that much to me.
smart phones are social media driven, more people spend time on FB, Twitter and snap chat then they do making calls and texting and that's what these manufactures focus on when they build the phones.
Been using my devices many years for Internet activity 90%! Use my my laptop less and less...
I barely use the camera it's an afterthought to me, speed and power are my main focus points.
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I barely use the camera it's an afterthought to me, speed and power are my main focus points.
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I seldom if ever use the camera. I do accept though that I am the vast minority on that point. It was just a passing thought how many reviewers take the camera so seriously yet seldom to never mention signal strength.
I live way out in the country so need a mobile that pulls that reception in. The best where the old Nokia. Worst I have owned in that respect have been HTC though we now never see that brand in this country. Sony are good, Sony also produce some of the most agreeable sound via headphones. They should they more or less pioneered the 'mobile sound'.
The S8+ also pleases with a decent sound reproduction via head phones. The screen is top quality also. Its a very accomplished mobile device to own. I ponder what comes next and where the ceiling for such technology lies and in what direction?
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Hello everyone. Is anybody there who is not satisfied with "supposed to be more than great" photo qualily from the main camera at least or I'm alone here? Coming from Galaxies, Pixels and Huawei flagship phones, I was expecting to get not less than impressive photos from the main camera. At least hardware specs, Sony Alpha team support, Zeiss optics etc gave some confidence in it. But for some reason I'm getting only good enough photos in the perfect light conditions (which every dirt cheap midranger can do these days). Once light conditions are different from perfect all I get is hit or miss all the time, blurry shots, low details (especially when you zoom in a bit), water painting, wrong colours, softness, wrong exposure - picture is just falling apart regardless of what camera app was used. WTF!? Am I asking too much from nearly $1000 camera-focused phone or as Sony fanboys suggested "I've got a faulty unit"? Thanks
Camera is bad, I wish it had a good one but it's just average in sunlight and during nighttime it sucks. I like the phone but definitely the camera is not good
The Alpha team's work is very obvious on the phone. Having several Alpha cameras, I'm able to get similar results with similar techniques between my phone and Alpha cameras, which makes the 5 II feel more like a seamless tool to me. Alpha images are not like Huawei and Samsung images (I also have a P30 Pro). They have more natural and less saturated colors and take more life like and less processed photos. Those may not be to your taste, which is fine. It's impossible to simply say one camera takes "better pictures" than the other.
I shoot almost exclusively in RAW with the Pro Photo app, and I'm quite pleased with the detail and color saturation. I use Lightroom to process the files, and it helps control most of the noise in low light scenarios with high ISO. But, the phone will not take the same dim to no light shots that the P30 Pro does while being handheld. You can get similar results with a tripod and manually controlling exposure.
Another key difference between my 5II and my P30 Pro is the focus speed and accuracy. One of my frequent subjects is a fast moving small child, and my P30 Pro misses the shot about 90% of the time because it's so slow to acquire focus. The 5 II is not quite as fast as my Alpha, but it finds the eye pretty reliably and takes the pictures in a small fraction of a second. This is probably the most obvious place of the Alpha team's influence and tuning. It's even way faster than my wife's iPhone 11 Pro.
I understand why some are displeased with the camera on the 5 II. It's all about expectations being aligned with reality and personal preference on how a photo looks. So, when a camera doesn't meet your expectations, find one that does. That's why I moved from Huawei to Sony, and I'm pleased with the results. There are others that will choose to go the opposite direction for very good reasons.
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Hello everyone. Is anybody there who is not satisfied with "supposed to be more than great" photo qualily from the main camera at least or I'm alone here? Coming from Galaxies, Pixels and Huawei flagship phones, I was expecting to get not less than impressive photos from the main camera. At least hardware specs, Sony Alpha team support, Zeiss optics etc gave some confidence in it. But for some reason I'm getting only good enough photos in the perfect light conditions (which every dirt cheap midranger can do these days). Once light conditions are different from perfect all I get is hit or miss all the time, blurry shots, low details (especially when you zoom in a bit), water painting, wrong colours, softness, wrong exposure - picture is just falling apart regardless of what camera app was used. WTF!? Am I asking too much from nearly $1000 camera-focused phone or as Sony fanboys suggested "I've got a faulty unit"? Thanks
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Just because you spend a lot of money on a camera, doesn't mean you will take good pictures. Good pictures are about the camera and understanding how it works. If you want snaps, stick to your samsung. The Xperia is about taking pictures with the Pro app. If that's too complicated for you, then don't moan about how poor your photography is.
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Just because you spend a lot of money on a camera, doesn't mean you will take good pictures. Good pictures are about the camera and understanding how it works. If you want snaps, stick to your samsung. The Xperia is about taking pictures with the Pro app. If that's too complicated for you, then don't moan about how poor your photography is.
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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The secrert of a good picture rests between the shutter button and your eye. Good luck finding your great pictures.
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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That was a non-productive response. While the 5 II may not be your preferred tool for photography, going with term like "dinky" and "piece of junk" imply you have nothing substantive to talk about on the topic. The field of phones is wonderfully diverse right now, with so many choices to find what fits your style and preference. No need to turn it into a pissing contest of "better" or "worse." But, I guess from the wording of your original post, that's all you were interested in, rather than a meaningful discussion on the pros and cons of hardware.
While you took his response as "clever" and insulting, he wasn't wrong. Different skill sets are required to get the most of different hardware. I have friends who shoot film cameras with wonderful results, and I know that's beyond me. Likewise, Pixels and iPhones can give incredible results without much skill or effort on the part of the user, and that's exactly what computational photography is designed to do. It's a great advancement, that shouldn't be diminished. But, I can match my wife's iPhone 11 Pro's photo quality (sharpness, exposure, color accuracy) with my 5 II. But she simply points and shoots, while I have to tweak some settings, take a RAW picture and process it Lightroom. Neither is better. It's preference. I prefer the control and the process I use because I enjoy it. And my work flow takes only a minute or so per picture, so not a big deal.
Glad to see you'll be moving to other forums. Enjoy the Pixel. They are fantastic.
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way, you take a picture and it takes forever, I think it tries to use slower shutter speeds in order to shoot with lower iso for less noise, but when I compare with an iphone xs noise level are similar with the difference that iphone autofocus is much better and reliable and when you shoot it doesn't take forever to process a single photo. There's also an annoying halo effect on photos, they market lens as zeiss but I never had such a thing with other phones. Also when you take videos you see a huge difference with a 3 years old iphone, stabilization on iphone is great, on Xperia is meh, video dynamic range is limited, exposure low in dim light. The eye autofocus it doesn't seems to work that well, lots of photos are out of focus and in a low light situation you are sure that your subject will be blurry if it moves even slightly, I know a phone camera can't do miracles but I'm just comparing with another device that is 3 years older that didn't give me all these issues. Definitely go with an iPhone if you need a decent smartphone camera.
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As many have pointed out already, point and shoot is not where the Xperia shines. It's the manual control in Camera Pro and the results you can archieve with that. I personally like that, therefore I don't think "a phone should be a point and shoot device" per se. It's great to have a diversity of options on the market, isn't it?
Regarding video: As far as I know no one was yet able to match the iPhone's video stabilisation. Nevertheless I was able to get very good video on the Xperia and if you use a gimbal, you also get that iPhone smoothness if desired.
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That was a non-productive response. While the 5 II may not be your preferred tool for photography, going with term like "dinky" and "piece of junk" imply you have nothing substantive to talk about on the topic. The field of phones is wonderfully diverse right now, with so many choices to find what fits your style and preference. No need to turn it into a pissing contest of "better" or "worse." But, I guess from the wording of your original post, that's all you were interested in, rather than a meaningful discussion on the pros and cons of hardware.
While you took his response as "clever" and insulting, he wasn't wrong. Different skill sets are required to get the most of different hardware. I have friends who shoot film cameras with wonderful results, and I know that's beyond me. Likewise, Pixels and iPhones can give incredible results without much skill or effort on the part of the user, and that's exactly what computational photography is designed to do. It's a great advancement, that shouldn't be diminished. But, I can match my wife's iPhone 11 Pro's photo quality (sharpness, exposure, color accuracy) with my 5 II. But she simply points and shoots, while I have to tweak some settings, take a RAW picture and process it Lightroom. Neither is better. It's preference. I prefer the control and the process I use because I enjoy it. And my work flow takes only a minute or so per picture, so not a big deal.
Glad to see you'll be moving to other forums. Enjoy the Pixel. They are fantastic.
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Your "professional" response made me laughing out loud in the place when you're talking about "Different SKILL SET" and applying it to ..... A PHONE. Seriously man?! Just listen yourself! Just to clarify once again, the main purpose of any smartphone is to make quick, hustle-free photos on the go. And the more expensive phone, the better it should do it - simpler, cleaner menu / handling, faster focus and overall camera performance and most importantly better outcome. Other features like pro manual mode are optional and secondary. I think everything you do with your Xperia 5 II is just ... wasting you time, nothing more. I believe you have to follow your wife experience. She definitely knows how not to waste time playing with questionable "results" from Xperia. You will never match clever Apple/ Google AI, sorry. You think that you can but in reality you CAN NOT, sorry. Don't lie yourself!
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way, you take a picture and it takes forever, I think it tries to use slower shutter speeds in order to shoot with lower iso for less noise, but when I compare with an iphone xs noise level are similar with the difference that iphone autofocus is much better and reliable and when you shoot it doesn't take forever to process a single photo. There's also an annoying halo effect on photos, they market lens as zeiss but I never had such a thing with other phones. Also when you take videos you see a huge difference with a 3 years old iphone, stabilization on iphone is great, on Xperia is meh, video dynamic range is limited, exposure low in dim light. The eye autofocus it doesn't seems to work that well, lots of photos are out of focus and in a low light situation you are sure that your subject will be blurry if it moves even slightly, I know a phone camera can't do miracles but I'm just comparing with another device that is 3 years older that didn't give me all these issues. Definitely go with an iPhone if you need a decent smartphone camera.
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Absolutely agree with every single word. iPhone guarantees not only outstanding photos and videos in every situation regardless of shakiness of my hands or "skill set" by the way. There are too damn many thing where Xperia is miles away from iPhone. I don't relly want to name them because it's just ridiculous! How can we compare the latest Lexus (iPhone) with old rusty Fiat Punto (Xperia).
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Your "professional" response made me laughing out loud in the place when you're talking about "Different SKILL SET" and applying it to ..... A PHONE. Seriously man?! Just listen yourself! Just to clarify once again, the main purpose of any smartphone is to make quick, hustle-free photos on the go. And the more expensive phone, the better it should do it - simpler, cleaner menu / handling, faster focus and overall camera performance and most importantly better outcome. Other features like pro manual mode are optional and secondary. I think everything you do with your Xperia 5 II is just ... wasting you time, nothing more. I believe you have to follow your wife experience. She definitely knows how not to waste time playing with questionable "results" from Xperia. You will never match clever Apple/ Google AI, sorry. You think that you can but in reality you CAN NOT, sorry. Don't lie yourself!
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I'm no professional. I just stick to data when discussing things. "Waste of time" is quite subjective. Do you consider doing things you enjoy doing a "waste of time"? I suspect not. As I clearly stated, Pro modes are secondary to a lot of people, but for some of us, they are primary. And Sony is catering to that which is appreciated. As I said, if you don't appreciate it, that's not a problem, and the market is full of great choices that prioritizes quick snapshots. But, to so vocally criticize something for not meeting expectations in an area is wasn't trying to is rather petty on your part, in my opinion.
Why take a forum that's great such a great place for information sharing and try to reduce it to a place for insult hurling? Am I to assume you have nothing productive to add to the discussion? Then, why post here?
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I'm no professional. I just stick to data when discussing things. "Waste of time" is quite subjective. Do you consider doing things you enjoy doing a "waste of time"? I suspect not. As I clearly stated, Pro modes are secondary to a lot of people, but for some of us, they are primary. And Sony is catering to that which is appreciated. As I said, if you don't appreciate it, that's not a problem, and the market is full of great choices that prioritizes quick snapshots. But, to so vocally criticize something for not meeting expectations in an area is wasn't trying to is rather petty on your part, in my opinion.
Why take a forum that's great such a great place for information sharing and try to reduce it to a place for insult hurling? Am I to assume you have nothing productive to add to the discussion? Then, why post here?
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You're taking his bait too easily.
I didn't see much discussion here. All I did is uploaded few crappy shots from Xperia 5. Vast majority of them were deleted straight away though. Anyway there were no lack of really bad shots (=missed moments) from that phone. And it was VERY unexpected - I didn't have such bad experience with any flagship camera-phone before. And, as I expected, few people=blind Sony fanboys here did typical Sony fanboys thing - blamed me for being dummy crook handed idiot who doesn't know how to take pictures properly with a state of art. precious Xperia 5 II . Sure there is no way to blame overhyped, way below competition camera system, lack of proper AI implementation, fraudlent T* Zeiss glass coating (supposed to reduce lens flares but in reality it catches them more often than any other camera). I'm a much easier target, Sony are unspoiled "gods".
I have had a few instances with bad flare that have been surprising, because I don't have those issues with my Zeiss camera lenses. Not a huge deal, as it doesn't impact very many shots that I take. It seems to be an issue with full sunlight, but not a problem with artificial light being in a dimly lit scene.
I think WarVic expected the camera experience to be on an Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level and somehow took it way too harsh when it turned out to be different. It's ok to be disappointed, luckily there are brands on the market who cater to his expectations, so no problem, right? What I don't get is how he cannot accept that other people are happy with their Xperia without being mindless fanboys. Why so butthurt? Live and let live, innit?
I understand that you might be happy with an Xperia phone overall because it works, looks nice, feels good in the hand, quite rare and just because you paid a lot for it. But this is pretty much it. Cameras outcome is subbar to every other camera focused phone in this price category. And I can't understand how someone can't appreciate when something or someone else does the job for you, save your time. It's absolutely obvious that "Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level" is the only way to get something really good from tiny smartphone cameras. Also it is laughable & foolish to even think that somehow you can do better job in Lightroom or in other apps then AI / computational processing power. As you might not know, behind so called "computational photography" is a hard work of super talented programmers team. Do you really think that you can do better job then them???? The only reason Sony doesn't have it is becasue they just don't wanna invest into it. They know that they will never get sales numbers anywhere around even OnePlus level and even 2% of smartphones market share is unreal with their current marketing strategy (it's better to say the absence of it). So computational photography will be pure waste of money for Sony and it is much easier and better to have "unique" approach giving people instruments, "let them decide how their photos will look", to play with people's "creativity". How clever you are, Sony! Bravo!
Why did you even buy the phone? All the reviews tell you that the normal camera app is not as great as on other devices.
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Why did you even buy the phone? All the reviews tell you that the normal camera app is not as great as on other devices.
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No every review tells you that PhotoPro app isn't better at all. Sony wants you to believe in placebo - PhotoPro. It reality it doesn't make a difference regardless of your skills. All you have to do is to believe that PhotoPro is a game changer. If you have a good look at the beginning of my post, I uploaded photos examples, all taken by PhotoPro. Sure I have brilliant shots but of static objects in perfect light conditions only. 20 frames burst won't help. So trust me, if you take this smartphone to a once in a lifetime trip with your family, this smartphone will ruin it. Otherwise you might be good to go. If you are alone, have plenty of time, mostly shooting nature or buildings, don't mind to take numerous attempts, don't care about reliability, consistency and more than just good outcome in photography then Xperia is certainly for you.
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I understand that you might be happy with an Xperia phone overall because it works, looks nice, feels good in the hand, quite rare and just because you paid a lot for it. But this is pretty much it. Cameras outcome is subbar to every other camera focused phone in this price category. And I can't understand how someone can't appreciate when something or someone else does the job for you, save your time. It's absolutely obvious that "Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level" is the only way to get something really good from tiny smartphone cameras. Also it is laughable & foolish to even think that somehow you can do better job in Lightroom or in other apps then AI / computational processing power. As you might not know, behind so called "computational photography" is a hard work of super talented programmers team. Do you really think that you can do better job then them???? The only reason Sony doesn't have it is becasue they just don't wanna invest into it. They know that they will never get sales numbers anywhere around even OnePlus level and even 2% of smartphones market share is unreal with their current marketing strategy (it's better to say the absence of it). So computational photography will be pure waste of money for Sony and it is much easier and better to have "unique" approach giving people instruments, "let them decide how their photos will look", to play with people's "creativity". How clever you are, Sony! Bravo!
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This is getting a bit boring and repetitive now.
Time to move on and accept not everyone shares the same opinion as you