Hey,
I know the admins and mods here have things to do other than admin and mod forums, but I really wish that more of the useful guides we have around here would be stickied. I'm particularly referring to the Magician Upgrade forum, where there are great ROM guides being continuosly pushed up and down the forum list. Also some handy apps in the Magician forum like this and this and threads in Magician accessories like the 4GB Compatibility Thread which have become very hard to find through casual browsing - and people might not even search for these things, as they wouldn't know that they existed!
All I'm asking is that, somehow, all of our useful guides and developments be kept in an easier spot to find, and then it may also reduce the number of ('confused users' ) who post ('unproductive') questions, ironically the very posts that bury these handy guides and developments!
It is quite irritating when I want to view the kaiser upgrading section and I have to scroll half way down the page just to view new threads. Would it be too hard to make 1 Kaiser sticky thread and link to the threads that are currently stuck within the first post?
Yeah, looks like we need a rollup thread here.
I agree, especially with all the 6.1 discussions, the Kaiser section is bloated. But the irony, even with have a page of stickers, newcomers still ask the same questions the stickies answer.
Judging by all of the questions we get, people aren't reading them anyways.
The wiki contains links to every thread stickied, so we only need a locked thread to say read the wiki before asking any question and the "posting and you video"
Well, we need to SITCKY this thread as it touchs on a very important issue! NO MORE STICKIES!
Most newcomers don't search or look at the stickies anyway so maybe 1 or 2 which contain the other stickies or point to the relevant part of the wiki would be better.
But, personally I'm not as tech savvy as most of you guys and I use them a hell of a lot either for myself or pointing others in the right direction - so don't lose them altogether.
If this is being tidied up - maybe we should start a new WM6.1 forum as well (suggested by others).
I second a WM6.1 thread all by itself!
I also agree this would be very helpful to have another thread just solely dedicated to WM6.1
People don't use the wiki enough because all that crap at the top makes people think that there isn't any relevant information.
It needs a TOC and more interpage linking. If nobody objects, I'll think about spending some time to make it alot better (somewhat like my pages)...
On the other hand, it'd be *ALOT* easier if Flar would just hurry up with that MediaWiki upgrade that was promised when she was hired
You know the downside to adding a WM6.1 section...half the posts in there will be about WM6.0 and half the posts in the 6.0 will be on WM6.1 because people don't pay attention to what they're doing.
Yes, yes I am a pessimist. Why? Because it is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised
We don't need another WM6.1 forum, we need less 6.1 dogfood
It's one of the reasons why I've decided to stop working on the WM6.1 ROMs and offer what I've done up to everyone, so that the best chefs actually improve on it.
Hopefully this will placate the need for people to post their own ROMs, because what everyone really wants to see is quality, not quantity.
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People don't use the wiki enough because all that crap at the top makes people think that there isn't any relevant information.
It needs a TOC and more interpage linking. If nobody objects, I'll think about spending some time to make it alot better (somewhat like my pages)...
On the other hand, it'd be *ALOT* easier if Flar would just hurry up with that MediaWiki upgrade that was promised when she was hired
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I agree with _Alex_ about the wiki. It'd be a lot more useful if it was laid out a bit better. I try to find all the information I need without asking questions and I find that his wiki pages are easier to deal with than the regular pages. If we could get the wiki straightened out, then we could collapse all the stickies into one with a series of wiki links in the first post.
just my .02eu (cause the USD sucks right now )
wm6.1 thread/section is pointless. What will that accomplish aside from more clusterfucked questions that will be asked in both upgrading and wm 6.1?
WM 6.1 doesn't distinguish it's own section it's not like what wm5 was to wm6 with the hermes or other devices.
in defense of the stickies, i'm quite new and have found almost every single one of them useful.
=)
I dread to think how many more n00b questions would clog up this forum if the stickies weren't there.
Admittedly a lot of people ignore them before posting, but I'd like to think that a quiet majority read them, get their questions answered, and dont bother the rest of us as a result...
Lets make a sticky out of this...!
we should just have two stickies - the first one being "NEWBIES: Read the Sticky Below Before Doing Anything", and the Second Sticky containing all of the stickies we have right now.
First off... sorry for the stream of consciousness writing...
I'm pretty much in agreement with most of you on this one. They currently take up almost half the page and though some of them are posted to quite often a lot of them are dead or closed. I like the idea of making the WIKI a lot more functional. Admittedly I got my Wizard just a few months ago (from a friend who upgraded) and that wiki was all I needed to get it CID unlocked, SIM unlocked and flashed...
I think two stickies is sufficient, the first telling Newbs to read the stickies and the wiki before posting questions and the second an editable list of posts that are considered sticky (though this sort of defeats the purpose of a wiki).
Maybe just a single Sticky that says:
Subject: BEFORE POSTING: Read the WIKI. Use the search function. Use Google.
Body: If you are new to this forum or have not yet done so, read the wiki <link>. It contains information on:
How to Flash a new ROM.
How to SIM Unlock your device.
How to CID Unlock your device.
Links to ROMs (original and cooked).
How to revert back to the original ROM and SPL.
How to cook/make your own ROM.
If you can't find your answer in the wiki....
Use the search function:
Try many different searches to find what you're looking for, start at the forum for your device and if you don't find an answer try the entire forum.
If you still can't find your answer...
Use Google:
type in your search word(s)/phrase and the site you want to search...
example: "sim unlock" kaiser site:xda-developers.com
If all else fails and you want to risk the potential ridicule and flaming of the more senior and sometimes jaded cooks/developers/professionals, you may post your question, but you should be damn sure you checked/tried all of the above before doing so.
Cheers...
I like the sticky, icky, icky
While browsing this forum, I've noticed that there are really two types of threads: (1) ROM Releases & (2) Help Requests/Questions. We also have threads such as "List of Kaiser Rom Threads and Download Links...." which attempt to aggregate the releases, but do not appear to remain up-to-date. I was wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to separate the two by simply having a sub-forum dedicated to the releases. It would be much easier to get a grasp on what the current variety of cooked/official ROMs looked like, and would leave more of the first page of the "main" forum available for the help/question threads.
Any thoughts? Improved suggestions?
DISCLAIMER: This idea may have already been discussed in the past, and if so, please feel free to just say so and post a link to the relevant thread. No need to re-explain something that's already been talked through. I couldn't find anything on the topic when searching via Google.
I think this is a great idea. It can be overwhelming when I just want to see the ROM updates and I have to go sifting through other things as well.
Alamei said:
While browsing this forum, I've noticed that there are really two types of threads: (1) ROM Releases & (2) Help Requests/Questions. We also have threads such as "List of Kaiser Rom Threads and Download Links...." which attempt to aggregate the releases, but do not appear to remain up-to-date. I was wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to separate the two by simply having a sub-forum dedicated to the releases. It would be much easier to get a grasp on what the current variety of cooked/official ROMs looked like, and would leave more of the first page of the "main" forum available for the help/question threads.
Any thoughts? Improved suggestions?
DISCLAIMER: This idea may have already been discussed in the past, and if so, please feel free to just say so and post a link to the relevant thread. No need to re-explain something that's already been talked through. I couldn't find anything on the topic when searching via Google.
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That's actually a pretty good idea. They should be doing this to all forums in XDA-Developers.com. It will keep organization, less spamming of threads, and keep everyone happy. I think that this has already been discussed already, but I haven't seen any changes so it's a good thing you brought it back up again!
u know that sub forum will just eventually get clogged up with all other kind of threads and it will just be the same as it is with the kaiser upgrading forum now. we have a outdated wiki with some releases.......why dont you go ahead and add some stuff to that.
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u know that sub forum will just eventually get clogged up with all other kind of threads and it will just be the same as it is with the kaiser upgrading forum now. we have a outdated wiki with some releases.......why dont you go ahead and add some stuff to that.
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Naturally rules should state the forum is only for new ROMS. Threads started relating to support should be disallowed. Only posts by cookers should be allowed by rules. (Avoid access control, new rom cookers would have to contact an admin to get their user group put in) Simply have moderators delete threads that were started seeking support or help.
I'm new to flashing myself and I've only been able to find a few ROMs. Why? Because of the disorganization.
New users like me can't find new ROM's because we don't know where to look or how to find them. There's no list, you just have to dig deep through the forums or try your luck with Google or the search function. There's a few listed on the wiki but highly outdated as you said. The new releases are hidden within pages of junk threads in this upgrading forum.
A wiki is a start -- but you have to know the names and URL's of existing threads or be damned good at searching for them to add them to the Wiki. I was going to try and update the wiki and didn't know where to start on finding roms.
A forum that was well-policed against junk offtopic threads could be beneficial for ROM makers and users who seek them alike. This idea should be brought up with the moderators/admins of the forum.
evrything is the mods should do this, the mods should do that, hey......this is a community. like i said, there's a wiki, feel free to contribute.
and how hard is it to find rom releases? just browse maybe the maybe first 10 page and put in watever rom link u find. anything beyond that is most likely outdated already
Well..this is the Kaiser upgrading forum. I think that's exactly where ROM releases should be. I also agree that this is a community...the wiki isn't up to date? Okay...it's a wiki...update it.
**This is my personal view...feel free to disagree.
this has been discussed already as it was asked about the 6.1 roms, and the answer is no. 6.1 is still wm6, its just a fancy AKU release, so there is no need for a subfora, and cooked roms has never gotten their own subfora, its not needed. If everyone would learn to read and post in the proper spots then the board wouldnt get cluttered, creating new subforas will not fix this problem.
I was thinking it would be convient if there was a locked sticky that would summarize the most popular WM6 ROMs. In addition to this, linking to the threads for the most recent releases. Just a thought, it would make things easier for a lot of people. (yes me too, so I'm being rather selfish with this request )
i think that why we have a wiki.
I'm one of those kind of guys that actually read the owners manuals and, while I can learn a lot from the scattered approach at answering specific questions, would prefer a more organized approach. I know that the OnePlus One does not come with a manual. And I know that there are a lot of "tips and tricks" videos and an official FAQ. There are a number of useful Q&A posts here as well. But has anyone actually compiled a PDF doc or Wiki on the OPO?
No there hasn't, but there are lot of stickied threads on XDA which you can read up on which can help you.