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I recently changed to launcher pro, and got rid of most of my apps. I am on the 200mb a month plan, so I have to watch my data usage. Lately I've noticed that my 3g/g/edge icon is pretty steadily on and showing up and downstreams active.
So when I launch task killer, I notice that certain apps that I never use (nor do I have it on as a widget) such as samsungs "daily briefing" widget are always running. This didn't use to happen, but today alone i've used 8mb, despite making sure I didn't once actually use any data on purpose.
anyone have any ideas?
I actually use Daily Briefing for the weather updates, but it only updates when I hit the refresh button. Not sure why yours would be running all the time, especially without the widget.
To get rid of it entirely, you could uninstall the bloatware using Titanium Backup. That's what I did for most of the AT&T stuff on my phone.
The other possibility is to use a program like Autostarts (it costs money, but it's worth it IMO) to disable apps that run in response to events, like phone startup. You can deny just about any process or app you want.
yeah, it's really strange. I can't figure it out.
I keep thinking about removing it with titanium (I've already done that with a lot of the rest of the bloatware), but I'm afraid of making further changes to the stock as I'd like to install the official 2.2 update when it comes out without problems. Although I guess if I've already done it to a lot of the bloatware, at this point it doesn't matter.
I know I could just use odin, but I'm a bit scared due to all the problems people have had.
Just a general thing to check, is Background data and Auto-sync turned off under Settings > Accounts and sync?
I personally use a widget called GTWidget Data to toggle off data altogether when I'm not using it to make sure nothing running in the background uses data.
I just noticed a weird thing. I just checked T-mobile for data usage and found out it used data at time periods I did't even use the phone (working hours). Anyone having the same issue?
Got any apps or widgets set to auto-sync? That would be my first thought but 60mb seems like a lot for that to be the case.
I would call and ask...no way auto sync uses that much...
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I just noticed a weird thing. I just checked T-mobile for data usage and found out it used data at time periods I did't even use the phone (working hours). Anyone having the same issue?
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some app like email or facebook is syncing? If you don't want them to sync, turn off in options.
Also, did you check your wifi sleep policy? By default it is set to turn off when screen is not active. Change it to never option, to prevent cellular data usage.
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Something like SugarSync could be uploading photos. Do you have apps set to auto-update through the market?
This is the problem with the Android phones and data plans that have caps. One app can suck up memory fast. It's so lame that we have to manipulate the phone so that we dont get ripped off especially when the culprit is the same apps that come with the phone. I shut off all syncing and updating plus I run Bloat Freeze and stop un-needed apps from running since I cant uninstall them...thx T-Mobile! I called T-Mobile on that also and they have no clue, they just told me to uninstall any apps I put on my phone and see what happens. So whats the use of over 100,000 apps if we cant even run a couple with out sucking the cap dry?
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This is the problem with the Android phones and data plans that have caps. One app can suck up memory fast. It's so lame that we have to manipulate the phone so that we dont get ripped off especially when the culprit is the same apps that come with the phone. I shut off all syncing and updating plus I run Bloat Freeze and stop un-needed apps from running since I cant uninstall them...thx T-Mobile! I called T-Mobile on that also and they have no clue, they just told me to uninstall any apps I put on my phone and see what happens. So whats the use of over 100,000 apps if we cant even run a couple with out sucking the cap dry?
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I have no mystery data use on my account. I have never had any kind of usage like this in the past year. I never shut off sync or updates.I run almost 100 apps and have never had this type of issue.
Try something like OSmonitor to see what is using network services....and don't blame Android . Guns don't kill people. People kill people....blah, blah
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Thanks for bringing to my attention the concern I should have ofr viewing my data usage more closely...
I checked my data usage and something startled me that added to a issue/concern I had earlier tonight. I did a factory reset on my G2x as I intended to exchange it tomorrow and when I booted it back my market app automatically started downloading all the apps I had installed (yes, I logged into my Google account in the setup screens)... I did a little research on the matter of turning this function off but it didn't turn up much of a solution. Is this really something that can't simply be toggled off?...
I don't want another 154MB download on my data connection (without my permission plus I would've opted to use my wifi to download such a payload) Though I will admit I did all this at work earlier. I thought I could disable it by doing another factory reset and then quickly kill the sync feature via the power widget after logging into my Google Account on start up. It seemed to work for a bit but when things at work picked up again I left my phone idle in my pocket and it started downloading the apps from the market eventually anyway!
I get the lesson that I shouldn't be doing that sort of **** while at work but this really shouldn't even be an issue to begin with. Especially with a carrier that throttles your connection after certain amounts of usage...
And perhaps for some clarification on my part, can someone explain to me real quick that if my T-Mobile account has Unlimited Web, what amount of MBs do they throttle your connection at?..
It depends on how recent you might have changed your web connect plan for the phone. If you have been an on going customer then it should be 5gb, me being a new tmobile convert its only 2gb. but while having problems with my original cell plan 2 cs agents have told me that I have the 5gb plan. Made no sense but not trying to push it lol.
That extra data you see is your phone backing itself up to the Google servers. You opted for that option during the setup. So.... yea.. not the phone's fault.
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Yes. I have auto sync on all the time, but reviewing the past couple days, those two were the two that uses massive data. I'm not a massive data user, but this had me concerned. I only have Facebook, gmail, twtter, and lotus notes sync..
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Just check T-Mobile again regarding the data usage. Weird activities again. It showed I started to use the date starting at 07:56 (I was sleeping!!) and on 9:40, 12:30 and 1:22, all have the same data usage.
Yahoo mail...
If you are using yahoo mail, you will see phantom data usage.
It effects iphone, WP7, and Android. Yahoo swears that it's the "other company's fault."
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Yahoo mail...
If you are using yahoo mail, you will see phantom data usage.
It effects iphone, WP7, and Android. Yahoo swears that it's the "other company's fault."
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I don't have other email setup other than Gmail and company's Lotus Notes traveler. But I do have yahoo messenger installed....
Be aware if you use regular mail (not gmail) as it can poll automatically every few hours. If some of the emails have pics or audio file (or presentation), it can eat a good amount of data without notice. I setup all regular emails to poll manually to avoid this problem (and you have more juice for battery).
Some weather app and news widget can poll data for update too.
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Be aware if you use regular mail (not gmail) as it can poll automatically every few hours. If some of the emails have pics or audio file (or presentation), it can eat a good amount of data without notice. I setup all regular emails to poll manually to avoid this problem (and you have more juice for battery).
Some weather app and news widget can poll data for update too.
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I have my company's lotus notes limited to 2kb each email, so the chances of getting over 10mb is really small. Besides, I had the same setup since Vibrant and didn't see usage like this before.
ScooterG said:
I have no mystery data use on my account. I have never had any kind of usage like this in the past year. I never shut off sync or updates.I run almost 100 apps and have never had this type of issue.
Try something like OSmonitor to see what is using network services....and don't blame Android . Guns don't kill people. People kill people....blah, blah
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Well good for you man. You're just a smart android user aren't you? Just because you mastered the Android OS doesn't mean everyone can. Leaving everything on as you do does pull small amounts of data and this is what he is talking about. Android is still a buggy OS and problems will happen for some. I myself have seen data used during the night when I'm not even using the phone. What Android should do is ask you everytime it decides to do something that requires a significant amount of data this way we know where the data is going. There's probably an app I bet. This should be built into Android just as it is in Windows so yes Android is at fault.
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I just noticed a weird thing. I just checked T-mobile for data usage and found out it used data at time periods I did't even use the phone (working hours). Anyone having the same issue?
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I am having this exact problem! I have multiple phantom downloads of 80Mb, 145Mb etc. It's really pissing me off. I called Tmobile, but since my cell is the only number I have, I have to find a land line to call them from. They said they couldn't really help me while I was using my cellphone.
My email accounts are set to never sync. I use gmail and hotmail. I unchecked the "back up my data on google's server" when I set up my phone. I've always uncheck auto updates from the market. The only app that I have that auto syncs is tweetdeck and it's set to update every 30 minutes. On my Inc., it was set to update every 15. In 4 days, it says I've used over 1gig of data. I've never used that much in such a short time. With my Inc. I've had to try hard to go over 2gigs of data.
Anyhoo, I guess I'm off to a Tmobile store to use their phone to call back tech support.
Usually when I get a new phone, I root it, get TB on there and restore. Works great. However, I think I'll use my S7 without root for a while, so no TB.
I know about Helium, is that the best way to go? What's your plan for March 11th?
I would say Helium as well, if not rooting. (provided root is found)
Mybackup is good for restoring sms/mms without root, not sure how it does that but it works.
My routine is make a backup with Helium, use smart switch to move most things to the new phone, restore app data from Helium for anything that did not come over with Smart Switch.
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My routine is make a backup with Helium, use smart switch to move most things to the new phone, restore app data from Helium for anything that did not come over with Smart Switch.
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How did this work for you? I've always spent a day reinstalling apps, inputting passwords and losing data on the new phone because I don't want to screw anything up. Maybe I'm wasting my time.
My S7 arrived today, so I'll be moving everything tonight.
Just enable backup in the settings, force sync everything afterwards, then connect the USB cable and adapter that come with the S7 as described in the onscreen instructions.
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How did this work for you? I've always spent a day reinstalling apps, inputting passwords and losing data on the new phone because I don't want to screw anything up. Maybe I'm wasting my time.
My S7 arrived today, so I'll be moving everything tonight.
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It went fairly well. SmartSync copied over all the docs, pics, music, and many other things. I should have used the included adapter but WiFi direct was fast enough. The apps downloaded from the play store. Once that was done I ran the helium restore and got back most of my app data.
There are a few misses. Helium did not bring over my watch face libraries from either Watchmaker nor Pujie Black. I had to use methods in the app to transfer those. Usually Helium brings over the desktop, but this time it did not. I assume that was because I was going from Lollipop to Marshmallow. You do have to open your apps to re-login to them. A password manager is a big help with that. Some of the apps have new Marshmallow permission prompts when first opened so it is smart to just open all your core apps once you have everything transferred.
I use Titanium Backup, but potatoes potatoes.
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I use Titanium Backup, but potatoes potatoes.
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As do I but won't do much without root.
Helium works really well
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Ever since my Galaxy S10e (AT&T) upgraded to Android 11 last week, I have been having major memory problems. If I switch from one app to another and then go back to the first, it has often been killed. When running some apps, my persistent notifications start disappearing and apps that I have running in the background are getting killed. I often find apps that would always be running in the background are now restarting when I switch to them. I use a Video Compressor app and it ran fine with very rare exceptions in Android 10 but now as soon as I start processing a video, my notifications disappear and if the screen goes off, the app starts processing again at the beginning of the video when I turn the screen back on. With Android 10, I could use several apps and the Video Compressor would work in the background. I have battery optimizations turned off for the relevant apps to the best of my knowledge.
Has anyone else experienced these issues? At this point, I seriously regret upgrading to Android 11.
I'm not sure if EVERY issue I have had with a Samsung phone is completely unique to me or I am just using the wrong forum. The silence always seems to be deafening on threads I start on XDA.
Scope storage sucks.
Try a factory reset and see if this helps. It's time too.
You could have it reflashed to the previous version at a Samsung Experience Store if you can't resolve the issues.
After which disable AT&T updates completely. AT&T advance tech support can also turn it off on their end if you beat them over their heads a bit.
My 10+ is still running fast and stable on Pie... purposely.
blackhawk said:
Scope storage sucks.
Try a factory reset and see if this helps. It's time too.
You could have it reflashed to the previous version at a Samsung Experience Store if you can't resolve the issues.
After which disable AT&T updates completely. AT&T advance tech support can also turn it off on their end if you beat them over their heads a bit.
My 10+ is still running fast and stable on Pie... purposely.
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Thanks for the advise. Samsung phones are infamous for killing background apps due to battery optimizations, but now my background apps seem to be getting killed due to memory issues.
rsngfrce said:
Thanks for the advise. Samsung phones are infamous for killing background apps due to battery optimizations, but now my background apps seem to be getting killed due to memory issues.
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I disabled all battery optimization and used package disabling, firewall blocking, settings and occasionally clearing certain Google apk data to bring battery life into line.
Scope storage can use more memory but not that much.
Go to Developer options>running services/cache and see what dragging the memory down.
Did you do any system app updates after OTA?
That could be it.
I run the factory load for many of the Google apps. They run better.
AR Core was a horrible resource hog, I disabled it.
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I disabled all battery optimization and used package disabling, firewall blocking, settings and occasionally clearing certain Google apk data to bring battery life into line.
Scope storage can use more memory but not that much.
Go to Developer options>running services/cache and see what dragging the memory down.
Did you do any system app updates after OTA?
That could be it.
I run the factory load for many of the Google apps. They run better.
AR Core was a horrible resource hog, I disabled it.
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I don't have great battery life, but I use my phone heavily and sometimes use intensive apps, so I'm not complaining about that. I have pretty much all battery optimizations turned off (I'm actually currently helping Don'tKillMyApp correct their S10 info, which I never found correct).
The top 5 memory users on my phone are all system processes. I have disabled a number of apps. I have five different AR apps disabled, but I don't see AR Core on my phone. I noticed that One UI Home was in the top 5 at around 450 MB. I disabled that yesterday, since I don't use it (I use Nova) and spent some time trying to figure out why my recent apps button was no longer working. It is ridiculous I need to use 450 MB of memory just to use the recent apps button.
My cached apps don't seem to be using too much memory. I'm sure I have more apps than I need running in the background (Blokada, Bitwarden, a couple battery monitors, a VPN at times and so on), but I didn't really have problems on Android 10. I haven't added any more since upgrading to 11, but I seem to be having serious memory issue. This morning I had the VPN on and was downloading in the background in a browser and I switched to something else minor and when I switched back, the browser had stopped and the VPN stopped, killing my download and VPN connection, so it's seriously impacting the usability of my phone.
When you say you are running the factory load of Google apps, do you mean you have never upgraded them, or have uninstalled updates? I have never really paid attention to those upgrades and have just allowed them.
I seem to regularly see about 84% usage in developer options > memory. Unfortunately, I didn't record what these memory and cache numbers were when I was on 10. 84% sounds high to me, what is anyone else's phone averaging?
I think I definitely need to contact Samsung regarding this issue.
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I'm running on Pie so no idea how ARCore is being implemented now or if it's an issue.
On my 10+ Nova uses a lot battery and resources than One UI which is faster as well.
Factory load are the original apks with no updates. Many times updates help but not always.
My ram usage profile is similar to yours.
I have about 86 packages disabled.
Google Backup Transport and Framework can run even when disabled presumably due to dependencies. Periodically clearing there data, Google Play Services and the apk logs helps on this device.
Manual sync only except text, and Google Play Services is Firewall blocked except when needed.
All carrier, Samsung and Google feedback is turned off. Android Services is firewall block as it's not needed. Playstore is disabled and firewall blocked except when needed.
It been an evolving process... one reason I'm not eager to update to Q and start from scratch with this again. Pie is fast, stable and does everything I want it to. To date none of it vulnerabilities have been an issue; a forced reload is far easier than the upgrade
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I'm running on Pie so no idea how ARCore is being implemented now or if it's an issue.
On my 10+ Nova uses a lot battery and resources than One UI which is faster as well.
Factory load are the original apks with no updates. Many times updates help but not always.
My ram usage profile is similar to yours.
I have about 86 packages disabled.
Google Backup Transport and Framework can run even when disabled presumably due to dependencies. Periodically clearing there data, Google Play Services and the apk logs helps on this device.
Manual sync only except text, and Google Play Services is Firewall blocked except when needed.
All carrier, Samsung and Google feedback is turned off. Android Services is firewall block as it's not needed. Playstore is disabled and firewall blocked except when needed.
It been an evolving process... one reason I'm not eager to update to Q and start from scratch with this again. Pie is fast, stable and does everything I want it to. To date none of it vulnerabilities have been an issue; a forced reload is far easier than the upgrade
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Thanks for the reply and screenshot! Noticeably, the system on your phone uses more memory but you also have more memory to start with than my S10e does.
The only possibly memory-related issue I had on 10 that bothered me was a period of time when my recent apps menu was often getting cleared out, even of the locked apps. Both Samsung and AT&T told me I would need to do a system reset, which I didn't want to do, or take it into a store for a repair. For some reason, this issue seemed to have gone away before the Android 11 upgrade on its own.
I am going to try disabling or uninstalling apps that are running in the background that I don't really need and I'll try some of your suggestions such as disabling auto-sync. I really don't believe I should have to do this though since I wasn't having issues like this on Android 10 and the phone should be new enough to handle the upgrade without such issues, so I will contact Samsung to see what they say.
As I said, I am generally a fan of upgrades, but I really can't think of anything I have seen better about Android 11. Even the better control over app permissions doesn't seem as good as it was described. There are SERIOUS issues with some apps using the SD Card. At this point, I certainly wouldn't have upgraded if I had known this, and for me, that is saying a lot.
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Thanks for the reply and screenshot! Noticeably, the system on your phone uses more memory but you also have more memory to start with than my S10e does.
The only possibly memory-related issue I had on 10 that bothered me was a period of time when my recent apps menu was often getting cleared out, even of the locked apps. Both Samsung and AT&T told me I would need to do a system reset, which I didn't want to do, or take it into a store for a repair. For some reason, this issue seemed to have gone away before the Android 11 upgrade on its own.
I am going to try disabling or uninstalling apps that are running in the background that I don't really need and I'll try some of your suggestions such as disabling auto-sync. I really don't believe I should have to do this though since I wasn't having issues like this on Android 10 and the phone should be new enough to handle the upgrade without such issues, so I will contact Samsung to see what they say.
As I said, I am generally a fan of upgrades, but I really can't think of anything I have seen better about Android 11. Even the better control over app permissions doesn't seem as good as it was described. There are SERIOUS issues with some apps using the SD Card. At this point, I certainly wouldn't have upgraded if I had known this, and for me, that is saying a lot.
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Generally I close out apps after I'm done with them as some like Brave continue to run in the background sucking down the battery.
Migrating from Pie you lose a lot of valuable tools in the name of Google's big sister approach to security. Lol, Google is the biggest security risk on the phone.
Do the factory reset. After a firmware update it's best practice. For once the do a factory reload advice from the techs was sound
If you have an SD card use it as a data drive. The internal drive is for loaded apps, downloads (until vetted) and such.
Store all critical data there, files, music, vids, including copies of your apps (ApkExport) so you can do a full reload with little or no internet or your PC. Make a copy of the SD card data to your PC and 2 hdds that are electronically and physically isolated from the PC. Back these up as needed.
I can do a full reload in about 2 hours. 2 forced back to back reloads made me streamline the process. A forced reload doesn't happen often but can happen at any time. A SD card used as a data drive adds another level of redundancy and perhaps data security.
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Generally I close out apps after I'm done with them as some like Brave continue to run in the background sucking down the battery.
Migrating from Pie you lose a lot of valuable tools in the name of Google's big sister approach to security. Lol, Google is the biggest security risk on the phone.
Do the factory reset. After a firmware update it's best practice. For once the do a factory reload advice from the techs was sound
If you have an SD card use it as a data drive. The internal drive is for loaded apps, downloads (until vetted) and such.
Store all critical data there, files, music, vids, including copies of your apps (ApkExport) so you can do a full reload with little or no internet or your PC. Make a copy of the SD card data to your PC and 2 hdds that are electronically and physically isolated from the PC. Back these up as needed.
I can do a full reload in about 2 hours. 2 forced back to back reloads made me streamline the process. A forced reload doesn't happen often but can happen at any time. A SD card used as a data drive adds another level of redundancy and perhaps data security.
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Thanks for the info, I will consider the factory reset if I can't make any progress on this issue. I chatted with Samsung today and they told me to wipe the cache in recovery, which seemed like a valid suggestion to me, so I will see if that makes any difference
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Thanks for the info, I will consider the factory reset if I can't make any progress on this issue. I chatted with Samsung today and they told me to wipe the cache in recovery, which seemed like a valid suggestion to me, so I will see if that makes any difference
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Just do the factory reset rather than chase ghosts. Nothing like a clean, fresh load... then you can see if there really are issues that need resolved. Hopefully only minor ones.
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Just do the factory reset rather than chase ghosts. Nothing like a clean, fresh load... then you can see if there really are issues that need resolved. Hopefully only minor ones.
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In all honesty, though you make it sound like nothing, I am very afraid of loosing things if I factory reset. I spend a lot of time personalizing my phone just as I want it and even if I can reload my apps, I worry about the time it will take to get my battery widget color just as I want it . Not everything allows exporting the settings.
It would have been less of an issue on my rooted Galaxy S4 with Titanium Backup (which I still have as a backup), but my S10e isn't rooted. I use Alpha Backup Pro to backup apps sometimes, but after the upgrade to Android 11, it is no longer able to save external data, another disadvantage to the so-called upgrade.
If I was to factory reset my phone, what would I do then about upgrades. Can I decline the Android 11 upgrade but still accept the periodic security updates?
So far, things seem somewhat better after wiping the cache, but I don't believe the issue is resolved.
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In all honesty, though you make it sound like nothing, I am very afraid of loosing things if I factory reset. I spend a lot of time personalizing my phone just as I want it and even if I can reload my apps, I worry about the time it will take to get my battery widget color just as I want it . Not everything allows exporting the settings.
It would have been less of an issue on my rooted Galaxy S4 with Titanium Backup (which I still have as a backup), but my S10e isn't rooted. I use Alpha Backup Pro to backup apps sometimes, but after the upgrade to Android 11, it is no longer able to save external data, another disadvantage to the so-called upgrade.
If I was to factory reset my phone, what would I do then about upgrades. Can I decline the Android 11 upgrade but still accept the periodic security updates?
So far, things seem somewhat better after wiping the cache, but I don't believe the issue is resolved.
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Well designed apps that are hard to set up should allow the settings to be easily saved. Maybe some settings can be saved with Smart Switch.
Start now; streamline your reload strategy so it's easy, fast, redundant and loses no critical data.
It's a learning process that you need to put some thought into. All critical data should already be on the data drive.
Androids when they crash do it with little warning most times. Always being ready to reload makes it only a minor inconvenience.
As for 10/11 I have no useful workaround info as it doesn't concern me.
I've been running obsolete, unpatched OS's including Android for over a decade with very little trouble.
Far less trouble than upgrading to a "secure" system would cause.
No forced reloads from viruses starting with XPx64/Kitkat4. The one thing I watch like a hawk are email and downloads. Email stays in the cloud unless a download is absolutely required.
Pie continues to provide a fast, stable platform that does everything I need. No replacement needed as long as I'm using this device.
I block all updates.
If you should is up to you...
Everything related to my device is redundantly protected so if I do get hacked the most it will cost me is some time. If I suspect a device compromised (including erratic behavior) it gets reloaded.
I'm a bit ruthless about that; all OS's are expendable, data is not.
Whenever I set up a machine I assume it's will need reloaded sooner than latter. Everytime I've drifted from that premise it's been unpleasant.
Two back to back reloads on the 10+ impressed me enough to nail down my reload strategy.
2 hours instead of almost 2 days; shortcuts and fine tuning take another few hours. Whatever
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Well designed apps that are hard to set up should allow the settings to be easily saved. Maybe some settings can be saved with Smart Switch.
Start now; streamline your reload strategy so it's easy, fast, redundant and loses no critical data.
It's a learning process that you need to put some thought into. All critical data should already be on the data drive.
Androids when they crash do it with little warning most times. Always being ready to reload makes it only a minor inconvenience.
As for 10/11 I have no useful workaround info as it doesn't concern me.
I've been running obsolete, unpatched OS's including Android for over a decade with very little trouble.
Far less trouble than upgrading to a "secure" system would cause.
No forced reloads from viruses starting with XPx64/Kitkat4. The one thing I watch like a hawk are email and downloads. Email stays in the cloud unless a download is absolutely required.
Pie continues to provide a fast, stable platform that does everything I need. No replacement needed as long as I'm using this device.
I block all updates.
If you should is up to you...
Everything related to my device is redundantly protected so if I do get hacked the most it will cost me is some time. If I suspect a device compromised (including erratic behavior) it gets reloaded.
I'm a bit ruthless about that; all OS's are expendable, data is not.
Whenever I set up a machine I assume it's will need reloaded sooner than latter. Everytime I've drifted from that premise it's been unpleasant.
Two back to back reloads on the 10+ impressed me enough to nail down my reload strategy.
2 hours instead of almost 2 days; shortcuts and fine tuning take another few hours. Whatever
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Thanks for all the info. I have never had a phone crash, but I should know better considering the issues I have had with computers and a PS3.
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Thanks for all the info. I have never had a phone crash, but I should know better considering the issues I have had with computers and a PS3.
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Android is a remarkably stable platform normally.
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Just do the factory reset rather than chase ghosts. Nothing like a clean, fresh load... then you can see if there really are issues that need resolved. Hopefully only minor ones.
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It has recently come to my attention that performing a factory reset, like you were suggesting, will not downgrade the system version (in this case 11 to 10), just reset the phone to a like-new state WITH the existing system version. I'm unsure if you were just suggesting a factory reset to 'clean up' Android 11, but I believed otherwise at the time. So I guess my only downgrade options would be reflashing to the previous version at a Samsung Experience Store, as you also suggested, or going the root route.
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It has recently come to my attention that performing a factory reset, like you were suggesting, will not downgrade the system version (in this case 11 to 10), just reset the phone to a like-new state WITH the existing system version. I'm unsure if you were just suggesting a factory reset to 'clean up' Android 11, but I believed otherwise at the time. So I guess my only downgrade options would be reflashing to the previous version at a Samsung Experience Store, as you also suggested, or going the root route.
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Exactly. When you don't do a factory reset after a major firmware update it tends to run poorly.
You're stuck on whatever was flashed to the device though, good or bad.
You need to reflash the old version if you want that unfortunately.
One reason myself and many others rarely upgrade an OS if we like it, it's running fast, stable and is fulfilling its mission.
Hello community,
I'm listing the problems I have faced/ still facing with the Samsung Galaxy Watch4. If you have a solution, please comment. If you have other watch problems, please mention them with solution, if available.
Much of the problems below started AFTER doing a factory reset.
1. If I make a call from the watch, the contact picture doesn't show up in the background. I don't think it was like this before doing a factory reset.
2. If I get a call on the watch, the contact picture is very blurry. This is after a factory reset. Before the reset, it was fine.
3. Galaxy Wear app on my phone frequently fails to sync watch's battery info on the app. Same is true of Smart Things app. I have noted some of my observations and potential solution here and here. But other things are mostly fine on the app.
4. Although this happened only a couple of times, it is still worth mentioning: organizing the apps inside the Apps section in Galaxy Wear app did not sync the changes to the App Drawer on the watch. All changes done simply vanished, and I had to redo everything again.
5. There is no built-in way to backup the watch faces downloaded from the Galaxy Store or Google Play Store. And without root, Android (including WearOS) doesn't support backing up app data. This is just very pathetic.
The watch faces (only the APKs, not the app data) can be manually backed up using a file manager app. But it must be sideloaded using ADB, something most users wouldn't be comfortable with.
Limitations/ Drawback
1. One can't unpair a watch without having to do a factory reset to pair again.
2. One should not delete the app data for Galaxy Watch4 Manager app on the phone. If you do, you'll have to factory reset the watch to pair it again with the phone.
3. One should not delete the app data for Google Play Services app on the phone. If you do, you'll have to factory reset the watch to pair it again with the phone.
4. Watch Faces (with very few exceptions) don't come up with import/ export of configurations. If a watch face is uninstalled, it must be setup all over again.
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To unpair a network reset would do it...
Try clearing the system cache for any type of glitch.
blackhawk said:
To unpair a network reset would do it...
Try clearing the system cache for any type of glitch.
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I meant if you unpair the watch from the Bluetooth devices section or do a network reset on the phone, you'll have to factory reset the watch to pair it again.
Clearing system cache didn't help with any of the problems reported above.
I think this battery related problem is caused by apps on the watch that need a companion app on the phone. I'm not sure about it yet.
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I meant if you unpair the watch from the Bluetooth devices section or do a network reset on the phone, you'll have to factory reset the watch to pair it again.
Clearing system cache didn't help with any of the problems reported above.
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That's very odd. It sounds like a default setting has been changed somehow. Lol, a factory reset is not a viable option. You're missing something.
Maybe a third party app.
Does Wearables have all it's many needed permissions?
Disable all global power management... destroyer of worlds.
Play with it, Android's wuv attention
blackhawk said:
That's very odd. It sounds like a default setting has been changed somehow. Lol, a factory reset is not a viable option. You're missing something.
Maybe a third party app.
Does Wearables have all it's many needed permissions?
Disable all global power management... destroyer of worlds.
Play with it, Android's wuv attention
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Someone said it is for security purposes, although it wasn't immediately clear how. Since it is designed to be that way, there should be good reasons for it, even if I haven't figured that out yet. It is not a permissions issue or optimization issue.
I have quite a few (about 30) watch faces, and the thought of factory reset scares me away. So I am careful about how I play with it.
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Someone said it is for security purposes, although it wasn't immediately clear how. Since it is designed to be that way, there should be good reasons for it, even if I haven't figured that out yet. It is not a permissions issue or optimization issue.
I have quite a few (about 30) watch faces, and the thought of factory reset scares me away. So I am careful about how I play with it.
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Maybe uninstalling/reinstalling Wearables rather a reset. Sounds like another Samsung bug.
Lol, this N10+'s load is over 2 yo now. Androids should rarely need to be factory reset. One reason I like them so. Also why I avoid upgrades and updates once I have a fast, stable load.
TheMystic said:
Someone said it is for security purposes, although it wasn't immediately clear how. Since it is designed to be that way, there should be good reasons for it, even if I haven't figured that out yet. It is not a permissions issue or optimization issue.
I have quite a few (about 30) watch faces, and the thought of factory reset scares me away. So I am careful about how I play with it.
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If you have a Samsung account you can actually back up your watch and all its data just like a phone and when you set up the watch again you can choose to recover from the backup. Its in your watch settings on the wear app.
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Maybe uninstalling/reinstalling Wearables rather a reset. Sounds like another Samsung bug.
Lol, this N10+'s load is over 2 yo now. Androids should rarely need to be factory reset. One reason I like them so. Also why I avoid upgrades and updates once I have a fast, stable load.
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The Galaxy Watch4 Manager app stores the pairing key. If you uninstall it or delete its app data, you'll have to factory reset the watch to pair with your phone (or any device) again.
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If you have a Samsung account you can actually back up your watch and all its data just like a phone and when you set up the watch again you can choose to recover from the backup. Its in your watch settings on the wear app.
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That backup is a useless thing. It only backups up your Quick Settings layout and a handful of System Settings. It doesn't backup any of the downloaded watch faces. And it doesn't backup watch configurations either.
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That backup is a useless thing. It only backups up your Quick Settings layout and a handful of System Settings. It doesn't backup any of the downloaded watch faces. And it doesn't backup watch configurations either.
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Well, that's bad design. I thought it did a full backup, must've imagined that. My apologies.
Seems like the faces and their data are stored in the apps themselves. I was checking on that the other day and I would download 10 faces and go check the info under storage for the app and it would keep getting bigger in size. So, my question is how do you back up the app but not have it backup the apk instead. I can't even locate the physical app anywhere on the phone to try and back it up. Are the super top secret hidden or something? I'm stock android and have no way to root my phone. Has to be a way to at least do that right? Anyone?
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Seems like the faces and their data are stored in the apps themselves. I was checking on that the other day and I would download 10 faces and go check the info under storage for the app and it would keep getting bigger in size. So, my question is how do you back up the app but not have it backup the apk instead. I can't even locate the physical app anywhere on the phone to try and back it up. Are the super top secret hidden or something? I'm stock android and have no way to root my phone. Has to be a way to at least do that right? Anyone?
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See if SmartSwitch can back it up. Do Not use SmartSwitch to backup critical data though. It can be used to back Homepage and apps as well. Otherwise you will need to reload them.
There maybe a way using adb.
Always redundantly backup critical data including contacts to at least two hdds (copy/paste folders) that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Otherwise you will likely lose the data eventually.
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See if SmartSwitch can back it up. Do Not use SmartSwitch to backup critical data though. It can be used to back Homepage and apps as well. Otherwise you will need to reload them.
There maybe a way using adb.
Always redundantly backup critical data including contacts to at least two hdds (copy/paste folders) that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Otherwise you will likely lose the data eventually.
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I'll give it a shot. I have a small raid set up that I use only for my phone well, because it is small and not useful for much else. Thanks.
jimweda said:
I'll give it a shot. I have a small raid set up that I use only for my phone well, because it is small and not useful for much else. Thanks.
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I would use multiple hdds that are isolated from each other so a near lightning strike, fire, trojan, whatever can't wipe out all the copies at once.