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[Q] Charge Time

I am a bit surprised at how long my shield tablet takes to charge, around 6-8 hours depending on how much battery is left (usually around 20% before I charge).
Is this normal? Or are my expectations a little too high in thinking it would take 2-3 hours to charge?
Many thanks for for answers!!

What charger are you using? Mine doesn't take that long and I'm using NVIIDIA's retail charger (2.1A).

I am using the wall charger that is supplied with the tablet!!
I have spoken with nvidia support about this issue, however they couldn't confirm the charge time for some reason, hence why I am asking here for peoples experience with charging times. Also I have tried googling the answer and haven't found anything!!
Slightly frustrating!!

43 views so far and no answer?
come on people, all I am asking is your charge times for your shield tablets!
pretty please with cream and a cherry on top?

I havn't any exact number for how long the charging take, but I think the charging time has increased with Lollipop. Most of the time it is fully charged over night (6-8 hours) but sometimes it has just charged a few percent.

I have seen some unfortunate charging times as well, but I haven't recorded them or taken note of exactly how long they take. I also have chargers up to 2.1A and thicker gold plated cables I've tried.
Are there any apps I can use to record battery percentage by the minute?

ACharLuk said:
What charger are you using? Mine doesn't take that long and I'm using NVIIDIA's retail charger (2.1A).
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What are we talking about? Time to go to 100% battery or time to go to green led?
There is a 30-45 min time difference between 100% and green led.

When my shield reaches around 20% i'll charge it over night whilst I'm asleep, 6-7 hours later when i wake up i still see the orange led and am surprised at how slow it takes to get to 100%. This is how I noticed the slow recharge time.
Admittedly this is my first tablet, and as stated I'm just surprised and lead me to think maybe the charger that was provided is a dud and/or the tablet is a dud. And no one likes a dud!!
However I just wanted to hear other peoples experiences as maybe the charge time is this long and I've just got too high of an expectation that a device like this should have a charge time of 2-3 hours.
Many thanks for all the responses so far, most appreciated. Keep 'em coming!! :good:

If you want 2 - 3 hours of charging time starting from 15% or 20, you have to get another charger. The stock one is weak. I got a Samsung Note 3 one and after 2 hours and a half, or even less depending the percentage, it's fully charged.

CM17X said:
If you want 2 - 3 hours of charging time starting from 15% or 20, you have to get another charger. The stock one is weak. I got a Samsung Note 3 one and after 2 hours and a half, or even less depending the percentage, it's fully charged.
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^^^This.
Also, I have a Quick Charge 2.0 charger that I found on Amazon that shows whether or not a device is capable of using the Quick Charge 2.0 standard. My nVidia Shield does, in fact, seem to support it, and charges pretty quickly on this charger. I can't say I've ever had the tablet get below 50% or so, but I've never seen it take more than an hour or two to get the Shield's charge indicator to go green with that charger.

jt3 said:
^^^This.
Also, I have a Quick Charge 2.0 charger that I found on Amazon that shows whether or not a device is capable of using the Quick Charge 2.0 standard. My nVidia Shield does, in fact, seem to support it, and charges pretty quickly on this charger. I can't say I've ever had the tablet get below 50% or so, but I've never seen it take more than an hour or two to get the Shield's charge indicator to go green with that charger.
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What's the Output of yours?

CM17X said:
What's the Output of yours?
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18W. However, in the normal 5V mode, it's only 10W, like any other 2A charger.
In QuickCharge 2.0, the device being charged decides if/when the charger uses the 5V, 9V, and/or 12V charging modes. If the device is not QC 2.0 compatible, the charger will ALWAYS charge at 5V. This particular charger indicates when the device has allowed it to shift into the 9V or 12V charging modes (but unfortunately doesn't indicate which). In either of those modes, it's 18W (which incidentally is about 4W more than the Moto "Turbo Charger").
I've seen a 30W charger on Amazon (which is the maximum, according to the standard), but it doesn't have the indicator. This is important to me, because QC 2.0 needs a full data cable to communicate with the device. Accidentally use a charge-only cable, and it will stay in 5V mode. It's nice to have that warning that you've done something wrong.
However, in this case... that indicator showed me that my Shield had a fantastic unadvertised feature (at least as far as I knew).

jt3 said:
18W. However, in the normal 5V mode, it's only 10W, like any other 2A charger.
In QuickCharge 2.0, the device being charged decides if/when the charger uses the 5V, 9V, and/or 12V charging modes. If the device is not QC 2.0 compatible, the charger will ALWAYS charge at 5V. This particular charger indicates when the device has allowed it to shift into the 9V or 12V charging modes (but unfortunately doesn't indicate which). In either of those modes, it's 18W (which incidentally is about 4W more than the Moto "Turbo Charger").
I've seen a 30W charger on Amazon (which is the maximum, according to the standard), but it doesn't have the indicator. This is important to me, because QC 2.0 needs a full data cable to communicate with the device. Accidentally use a charge-only cable, and it will stay in 5V mode. It's nice to have that warning that you've done something wrong.
However, in this case... that indicator showed me that my Shield had a fantastic unadvertised feature (at least as far as I knew).
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So no more words, i'm getting that charger.
Ps: Negative charge while playing, do you face it? It happens on games like HL2 and Sky Gamblers - Storm Raiders.

kf006 said:
When my shield reaches around 20% i'll charge it over night whilst I'm asleep, 6-7 hours later when i wake up i still see the orange led and am surprised at how slow it takes to get to 100%. This is how I noticed the slow recharge time.
Admittedly this is my first tablet, and as stated I'm just surprised and lead me to think maybe the charger that was provided is a dud and/or the tablet is a dud. And no one likes a dud!!
However I just wanted to hear other peoples experiences as maybe the charge time is this long and I've just got too high of an expectation that a device like this should have a charge time of 2-3 hours.
Many thanks for all the responses so far, most appreciated. Keep 'em coming!! :good:
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Seems you have a problem, mine doesn't take more than 4:30 to go from 15% to green light.

Actually, using the stock charger, it only takes mine about 3 hours to fully charge from being dead.

derekmt95 said:
Actually, using the stock charger, it only takes mine about 3 hours to fully charge from being dead.
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I don't think so
Correct me if i'm wrong but the shield battery is 6900mAh.Stock charger is 2.1A... So what you are saying is impossible.

Doesn't charging a battery faster degrades it? Like, the faster you charge it the hotter it gets and the fastest it degrades overtime? And the same can be said of the opposite: the slower the better for the battery longevity?

Judge584 said:
I don't think so
Correct me if i'm wrong but the shield battery is 6900mAh.Stock charger is 2.1A... So what you are saying is impossible.
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You're wrong, it's a 5197 mAh. Stock charger is 2.1A. Battery charge take 4 hours near to 5%, 3 hours near to 15%.
eurominican said:
Doesn't charging a battery faster degrades it? Like, the faster you charge it the hotter it gets and the fastest it degrades overtime? And the same can be said of the opposite: the slower the better for the battery longevity?
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Yeah, high amperage kill your battery faster, take care about "quick recharge" charger. Try to avoid long charge too. Don't forget : 1 cycle on Lion-ion battery don't mean 1 charge = 1 cycle. 1 cycle = 0% to 100%. So you can charge 20 percents at job, 10 percents in train, 70 percents at home.
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kf006 said:
I am a bit surprised at how long my shield tablet takes to charge, around 6-8 hours depending on how much battery is left (usually around 20% before I charge).
Is this normal? Or are my expectations a little too high in thinking it would take 2-3 hours to charge?
Many thanks for for answers!!
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See my post just up there. 6-8 hours is too long, maybe battery fail...

Thanks for all the replies guys, most appreciated!!
I have spoken to Nvidia Customer Care and I thought I would share what they advised me to try (which may or may not help others are experiencing the same issue), not sure if this will work or not, but at least it is something to try -
"We would kindly request you to follow the battery calibration producer mentioned in the steps below, observe the device performance and let us know the result.
You will have to calibrate the battery for just one time and observe the device battery backup for 2-3days to see the changes.
1: Drain your Shield tablet battery by using it normally until it turns off by itself.
2: Power-on your Shield tablet, if it wakes up and if you see some power left, follow step 1.
3: If Shield tablet is now drained to the point it can't wake up, set the device to charge for 7-8 hours.
The device should remain off when you set it for charging here.
4: Unplug the charger after 7-8hours, power on and wait for the battery charge to drop down to 90-95%.
5: Once the device battery drops down to 90-95%, plug in the charger and charge for one complete hour.
6: Unplug the charger once the device is fully charged.
7: Go to Shield settings > Shield power control > Apps> select optimize all option.
8: Go to Shield settings > Shield power control > system>
• Set the brightness to auto.
• Change the sleep option to 2 minutes of inactivity instead of default 10 minutes inactivity.
• Change the processor mode to either optimized or Battery savings.
• Check the Wifi optimization on.
Observe the device performance and report to us if you are still facing issue with the battery backup.
For better battery backup and optimization, you may also consider following steps.
1: Always use the Shield tablet charger and not the computer USB ports or any other charger as the power specifications vary from the device to device.
2: In case if the charger is missing, use the back port of the desktop computer to charge the device instead of front port.
3: Always remember to exit the application instead of tapping the home button which will continue to run the application in the background.
4: Restart your Shield tablet at least once in a week. This will refresh the device making it work faster and efficient.
5: Connect the charger only when the battery comes down to 15% and unplug the charger only when it reaches 90% or above. This will reduce the number of charge cycles which will make battery last longer.
6: Use a third party app manager like Clean Master and free the memory at-least once a day to keep the device running faster. "
Fingers crossed this helps.

Your charger is faulty I believe, same as mine which Amazon and Nvidia themselves said was faulty and I got a partial refund due to that. I would suggest you to get some other charger, that charges at like 2.1A as they charge the tablet ridicolously fast (about 2,5 hours from 20%) and I'm finally able to play games while charging too (however, then it charges at a slower rate).
I made a thread about this not so long ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shi...k-charger-charges-slow-drops-battery-t2972368

How will Quick Charge 3.0 affect battery capacity?

QC 2.0 completely wrecked my battery on my S7 due to it always becoming very hot while charging with the option enabled. Still the case with the U11's QC 3.0? Should I leave it off most of the time?

xDark_ said:
QC 2.0 completely wrecked my battery on my S7 due to it always becoming very hot while charging with the option enabled. Still the case with the U11's QC 3.0? Should I leave it off most of the time?
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You can't manually turn QC on and off on HTC devices. However, you can use older HTC chargers without QC support.

xDark_ said:
QC 2.0 completely wrecked my battery on my S7 due to it always becoming very hot while charging with the option enabled. Still the case with the U11's QC 3.0? Should I leave it off most of the time?
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Only thing I know is the only time I have had problems with an HTC battery is with the HTC One M9. It barely lasted a year but I was able to use the warranty to get the whole phone replaced through my Verizon insurance. I have heard other have problems with the M9 battery as well, haven't had or seen any problems with the HTC 10 battery.

HTC 10 doesn't show any signs of degradation and it got about 10 degrees hotter than the U11 does when it's charging and has half the actual battery life so it was always on the charger. Heat isn't the biggest battery killer, full charge and discharge is. Lithium ion batteries should float between 5 and 90% ideally and you should never leave a fully charged battery on the charger as the trickle charge keeps it at max capacity and wears it out faster. Smartphones are among the few devices that continue to charge the battery after it hits 100% - I use high drain lithium ion batteries in my vape mods and the external charger and internal balance charger on my DNA 250 will actually stop charging at 100% and when I wake up will be around 98-99% which means the stress on the batteries stopped at the correct 4.2v and naturally dropped.
I wouldn't worry about the heat as much as the other factors.

xDark_ said:
QC 2.0 completely wrecked my battery on my S7 due to it always becoming very hot while charging with the option enabled. Still the case with the U11's QC 3.0? Should I leave it off most of the time?
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The major improvement comes from QC3.0 is improved heat, the charging speed between QC2.0 and QC3.0 is small to none.
I've only got a QC2.0 powerbank can't test QC3.0 but since I never use the U11 when it is in QC2.0 charging mode, the hot is low to me. If you will run the phone with charging therefore QC3.0 is a must.

the Quick charging kills the battery
to have the longest life span it is best to use a charger with 1 ma output such as iphone chargers
charge it quickly only when you really need the battery I did that with my 2 year old note 5
and the degradation after two years is some way between 30 and 20 % which is acceptable after two years

AlMaghraby said:
the Quick charging kills the battery
to have the longest life span it is best to use a charger with 1 ma output such as iphone chargers
charge it quickly only when you really need the battery I did that with my 2 year old note 5
and the degradation after two years is some way between 30 and 20 % which is acceptable after two years
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Actually quick charging doesn't, over charging does. Charging the battery and internal temperature gets too high as well. It is even said these batteries run better and last longer when not fully charged.

Is it safe to charge the device at low charging currents?

Hello everyone!
I recently purchased a Mi note 5 pro that comes with a 5V,2A charger out of the box.
While using it I realised the phone started warming up while charging with it- The phone reached a temperature of 42 deg C (well, the device got significantly warm).
Concerned, I tried out an old Samsung charger (5V,0.7A) with my Mi device and realised the charging temperature was much less (35 deg C) (here, the device remained cool).
Well, I wanted to know:
- Is it safe to charge the Li-ion battery at low charging currents (voltage is constant at 5V) ?
- Is it okay to use a different manufacturer's charger with my device (even if the charger is a genuine one)?
Also,
-I don't have a problem with longer charging times
-I frequently keep the device plugged in and maintain the charge between 20% and 80% (and full charge cycle once or twice a month)
-I am a heavy user but I avoid using the device while it is plugged in
-AccuBattery was the app I used for battery measurements
In the end I'm just curious to know how to prolong the battery life of my device and I'd really appreciate the help.
Thank you

1. Yes it's absolutely fine to charge at a low charging current. It is in fact better for the battery to charge it at a low current.
2. Yes, it's also absolutely fine to charge with different chargers, the quality of the charger is what is important.

willhemmens said:
1. Yes it's absolutely fine to charge at a low charging current. It is in fact better for the battery to charge it at a low current.
2. Yes, it's also absolutely fine to charge with different chargers, the quality of the charger is what is important.
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Thank you

Battery Estimate declined significantly seemingly after using USB headset adapter.

So I got an adapter to use a wired headset with my phone, it's one of those that allows for both headphone use and charging, though you need to plug in both, but I notice after I tested them out, my estimated battery drain declined all the way down to 9 hours remaining from a charge of 89 percent.
It used to be anywhere from 23 hours to a whole day, did I just break my battery? I'm not in a position where i can replace it if it goes wrong, especially since I just got this a month ago.
Checked it and it doesn't show any apps sucking power, I also disabled various bloatwares to make sure it would run smoothly.
I only had this phone since December and I made sure to charge it when needed, keeping it at around 40-80% charge as much as I could.
Phone is a OnePlus 8 5G, battery drain before was about a whole day before I needed to charge unless I were watching videos, and even with that it still lasted a good while.

It's not a good idea to use and charge the phone as it disrupts the charging curve*. If the screen is off and the device power usage is minimal like listening to music on bt does not interfere with normal charging, at least on my 10+.
Give the phone it's quiet time to charge.
Limit charges to 80% preferable 70% and discharges to 30% preferably 40% to maximize battery life.
Avoid going under 20% or full charges to 100% as it needlessly stresses the battery.
Li's love short, frequent midrange usage like from 40-65%
Li's hate high heat (>100°F) and high cell voltages ie >90% charge.
Avoid charging below 72°F as it can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade it.
Never attempt to charge if below 32°F.
*if you're drawing power whilst charging the device you can not gauge its actual battery capacity. It will charge much slower or maybe not at all.
Stop that you!
Take a 10 or 15 minute break and let get it take a charge.

blackhawk said:
It's not a good idea to use and charge the phone as it disrupts the charging curve. If the screen is off and the device power usage is minimal like listening to music on bt does not interfere with normal charging, at least on my 10+.
Give the phone it's quiet time to charge.
Limit charges to 80% preferable 70% and discharges to 30% preferably 40% to maximize battery life.
Avoid going under 20% or full charges to 100% as it needlessly stresses the battery.
Li's love short, frequent midrange usage like from 40-65%
Li's hate high heat (>100°F) and high cell voltages ie >90% charge.
Avoid charging below 72°F as it can cause Li plating which will permanently degrade it.
Never attempt to charge if below 32°F.
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I don't use it when it's charging, it's a OnePlus with warp charging so I let it sit until it's either full or usually at around the 80 range.
It seemed fine until I tried using this headset adapter, I don't know if these can break the battery in any way so i don't know if just using this messed something up.

MarkiMarko2221 said:
I don't use it when it's charging, it's a OnePlus with warp charging so I let it sit until it's either full or usually at around the 80 range.
It seemed fine until I tried using this headset adapter, I don't know if these can break the battery in any way so i don't know if just using this messed something up.
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If you have fast charging just use the standard fast charging cable to charge it not the daul use one.
The latter may not be recognized by the phone for fast charging, if so it will default to slow charging.

blackhawk said:
If you have fast charging just use the standard fast charging cable to charge it not the daul use one.
The latter may not be recognized by the phone for fast charging, if so it will default to slow charging.
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Warp Charging works yeah, I'm returning the headset cable and replacing it, since i don't know if it messed my system up, and aside from that it's clunky to use.
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It was this thing.
do you think my battery is just messed up at this point or is it fine? Battery estimates used to show 23 hours to a whole day, but now it's down to 9 hours so I don't know if that messed up my battery somehow.

I doubt it messed up the battery especially if it's been only a week or whatever.
More than likely it's a misbehaving apk(s) causing the drain.
If your battery's rated capacity is 1000 mAh and you're only getting 400 mAh out of it, then you have a battery issue. How long it can run doesn't reflect battery condition unless the load is the same as before. So you need to scrutinize it further before making the assumption the battery has deteriorated.
I use two overlay apks (Accubattery is one) that let me see total current draw in near real time. I'm running Pie and doubt these will run in Q.
At idle my draw is an average of 150 ma or so with lows going down to 79 ma. If I see it averaging 300 ma with spikes going to 800 ma at idle I go looking for the cause.

Question Help with the charger - Problem

Hello!
It's been a while since I don't have an Android device (Iphone user lately) and I'm buying this beauty these days.
I have two questions: First, right now the 45w charger is out of stock so should I buy the 25W instead just until I find the best one (expend money).
Two: How shall we charge this device? All night? Just 2 hous like Iphone? Please help me out on this.

25W vs 45W is really just a matter of the time it takes to charge the phone. And right now, available evidence suggests that its not worth it. As for how to charge it? All night is fine, as the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged.

does the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged?

Deiota77 said:
does the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged?
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Yes, that is always the case.
I would recommend buying a 45W (or higher) USB PD PPS power supply. That will work on Samsung devices. But keep in mind: it has to support PPS to allow voltages between something like 5V, 9V, 15V etc. If it is only USB PD, it will only charge at 15W.
I have the Anker Nano II 65W that has PPS, but there is also a 45W version. But that is just one option, there are plenty of other products out there that support 45W USB PD PPS

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does the phone will stop charging the battery when it is fully charged?
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LAtest equipment come with a battery health function it basically charges fast up to 80% and then slowly charges the remaining 20% to extend battery life. Once at 100% it won't charge at the same level, reducint the current/voltage.

I really don’t want to damage the battery like it happened with my iPhone (1 year and 89%).
That’s why I’m asking!
Please post your own experiences.

Deiota77 said:
I really don’t want to damage the battery like it happened with my iPhone (1 year and 89%).
That’s why I’m asking!
Please post your own experiences.
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The worst thing for mobile phone batteries is heat. So running the display all the time and gaming are probably the things to avoid. Which unfortunately...Is what most phones are being designed for these days. So don't let the phone get hot, and try to keep the charge level under 80% if you want the battery to really last. But batteries WILL degrade. There is no way around that. The best you can do is try to limit the damage.

Deiota77 said:
I really don’t want to damage the battery like it happened with my iPhone (1 year and 89%).
That’s why I’m asking!
Please post your own experiences.
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Two things kill the battery: heat and high/low voltages
In an ideal world, the Li-ion battery is at around 20°C and stays at around 3.8V.
Use the slowest possible charger whenever you can (5W e. g.)
Avoid fast charging as often as possible
Don't charge past 80% and don't let it drop below 20%
Don't let your phone stay at 100% for too long. Nothing will happen but the high voltage will degrade the battery (like if you leave your device plugged in every night).
In theory you shouldn't charge your device when it's hot and so on but I mean if you live in Spain for example and it is summer. What else are you going to do? So avoiding charging the ambient temperature is too high, is something you can't really do. (Yeah, in Spain most homes to have AC but you get the point )
I have taken care of my OnePlus 7T Pro's battery since I have received it 2 years ago. According to OnePlus Diagnostic it started at around 97% health (new device) and is now at 93%. I almost never charge above 80% and have a Tasker routine to only let it stay at 60% over night and charge to 80% right before my alarm rings. I use ACC (Advanced Charging Controller) for that. But it requires Magisk.
That might be a bit extreme but I have only lost 4% after 2 years and countless battery cycles. Keep in mind that every now and then you should go from 0% to 100% to let the system calibrate the battery so that it accurately reports its charge. This is the only reason why you should do this so that the system knows how much capacity the battery has. And if you mostly stay between 20–80% all the time, it might think that 80% is its max charge and start misreporting the percentage.

Thanks for all that great tips. I think I won't ever buy an extra fast power charger, I'll use a normal one...

is it safe to use 25 watt charger of s 21 TA-800 for charging s22 ultra?

osamaelgabry said:
is it safe to use 25 watt charger of s 21 TA-800 for charging s22 ultra?
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yes, enable fast charging and limit to 85%