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Verizon Model LTE Bands same as Unlocked Model?

Do you guys think the Verizon unit will have the same LTE bands as the Play Store model? I can get these st 2yr contract pricing on my Verizon business account and would like to use one on AT&T service, but need to be sure Band 12/17 is unlocked and ready for use.

The answer is yes, there are only different frequency bands for the intl and US versions. The US version, which Verizon is selling, supports all major carriers, according to Google.

alexjzim said:
The answer is yes, there are only different frequency bands for the intl and US versions. The US version, which Verizon is selling, supports all major carriers, according to Google.
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My only concern is that the Verizon website does not list all US LTE bands such as Band 12 or Band 17. This was an issue with my Note 7 also. Band 12/17 were capable and supported by the hardware, but Verizon locked these from being used. It wasn't until I flashed AT&T Note 7 firmware onto my Verizon Note 7 unit that I was able to use those 2 LTE bands.

alright I take it back. According to google, it is carrier locked to verizon http://i.imgur.com/Jc9eV9E.png

alexjzim said:
alright I take it back. According to google, it is carrier locked to verizon http://i.imgur.com/Jc9eV9E.png
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This is 100% wrong. No Verizon phone's have been locked to the carrier for a few years now.

mdmogren said:
This is 100% wrong. No Verizon phone's have been locked to the carrier for a few years now.
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Correct they have been carrier unlocked since the iPhone 5 came out. Verizon still locks the LTE bands for data, however. The only phones that have unlocked LTE bands on Verizon are iPhones, because Verizon does not/cannot tamper with the firmware before boxing the phones up.

MrBaltazar said:
Correct they have been carrier unlocked since the iPhone 5 came out. Verizon still locks the LTE bands for data, however. The only phones that have unlocked LTE bands on Verizon are iPhones, because Verizon does not/cannot tamper with the firmware before boxing the phones up.
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Evidence? I've had no problem using several verizon phones on T-Mobile LTE bands.

mdmogren said:
Evidence? I've had no problem using several verizon phones on T-Mobile LTE bands.
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That is because Verizon uses the same bands as TMobile in many areas of the country, so those bands are unlocked. Verizon does not use AT&T's primary bands at all, so they lock it out. (Band 17)
As a quick example, AT&T uses Band 3 in more rural areas and I was able to catch a bar or two of LTE here and there on a 100% stock Verizon Note 7 with AT&T sim card in it since Verizon also uses Band 3, , but it would quickly fall back to HSPA because it lost band 3 signal. I verified this with LTE Discovery app. At my office I only have Band 17 from ATT, so I was only getting HSPA. As soon as I flashed AT&T Note 7 firmware onto the Verizon Note 7, I had full LTE signal on Band 17.
Since Verizon cannot legally carrier SIM lock their devices anymore, they still do what they can to make the phones as unusable as possible on other carriers with their firmware, including a message that pops up every time you start the phone saying "this sim is not from Verizon"
I'm trying to figure out if the Pixel will be the same story as my Note 7, in which Verizon locks out a majority of LTE bands. And if so, can the Play Store version firmware be flashed onto thr Verizon version of the Pixel to unlock these bands?
The Snapdragon 821 supports all LTE bands so I know it won't be hardware limited, only firmware limited.

MrBaltazar said:
That is because Verizon uses the same bands as TMobile in many areas of the country, so those bands are unlocked. Verizon does not use AT&T's primary bands at all, so they lock it out. (Band 17)
As a quick example, AT&T uses Band 3 in more rural areas and I was able to catch a bar or two of LTE here and there on a 100% stock Verizon Note 7 with AT&T sim card in it since Verizon also uses Band 3, , but it would quickly fall back to HSPA because it lost band 3 signal. I verified this with LTE Discovery app. At my office I only have Band 17 from ATT, so I was only getting HSPA. As soon as I flashed AT&T Note 7 firmware onto the Verizon Note 7, I had full LTE signal on Band 17.
Since Verizon cannot legally carrier SIM lock their devices anymore, they still do what they can to make the phones as unusable as possible on other carriers with their firmware, including a message that pops up every time you start the phone saying "this sim is not from Verizon"
I'm trying to figure out if the Pixel will be the same story as my Note 7, in which Verizon locks out a majority of LTE bands. And if so, can the Play Store version firmware be flashed onto thr Verizon version of the Pixel to unlock these bands?
The Snapdragon 821 supports all LTE bands so I know it won't be hardware limited, only firmware limited.
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The only reason LTE won't work on at&t is because at&t won't provision it unless it's an At&t branded phone. You can get around this by having them activte your sim in an at&t store phone. My brother used to have at&t and I gave him my old S7E from Verizon which had full LTE after doing that.

cadcamaro said:
The only reason LTE won't work on at&t is because at&t won't provision it unless it's an At&t branded phone. You can get around this by having them activte your sim in an at&t store phone. My brother used to have at&t and I gave him my old S7E from Verizon which had full LTE after doing that.
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That is correct IF there isn't a LTE capable IMEI on your AT&T account, you would need to have them add the LTE capable IMEI and provision LTE. This issue is based on Verizon's firmware and their lockdown, however. I have thoroughly tested this and even entered service mode to see what bands are available with Verizon firmware vs AT&T firmware.

not good news for the verizon pixel with att. Some guy on the pixel xl xda reported he is getting only H+ with the verizon pixel xl. Definitely need more people to check it out. Donr believe PC mag one bit. They said bootloader was unlocked but it turned out to be LOCKED.

zboy2 said:
not good news for the verizon pixel with att. Some guy on the pixel xl xda reported he is getting only H+ with the verizon pixel xl. Definitely need more people to check it out. Donr believe PC mag one bit. They said bootloader was unlocked but it turned out to be LOCKED.
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I'm using a VZW Pixel XL on AT&T and I have the best reception I have ever had. I don't know why he's not getting LTE coverage, but that's not my experience whatsoever.

hollowlog said:
I'm using a VZW Pixel XL on AT&T and I have the best reception I have ever had. I don't know why he's not getting LTE coverage, but that's not my experience whatsoever.
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If you install LTE Discovery you can see the band you're connected do. If the phone can connect to band 12 or 17, I would say the Verizon version most likely supports all LTE bands.

I am using a Verizon Pixel currently on a 850Mhz/1.9Ghz GSM and Band 4 (2.1Ghz) and I am experiencing no issues. I used my carrier's SIM, and the only thing I had to do differently was update the SCMS in the *#*#3646#*#* to match my carrier's Service Center ID. This allowed my SMS to work. I experience no issues here as the phone operates as though it were unlocked.

I've even used the VZW pixel on T-Mobile and had band 12 carrier aggregation with band 2. Definitely not a problem and same bands.
I believe the only difference is the imei disallows bootloader unlocking. And the post boot Verizon three app install (which is an easy uninstall)
Doesn't att require the imei added for LTE? They audit accounts on the regular and if they find an unknown imei they disallow LTE.
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smgrimes said:
I've even used the VZW pixel on T-Mobile and had band 12 carrier aggregation with band 2. Definitely not a problem and same bands.
I believe the only difference is the imei disallows bootloader unlocking. And the post boot Verizon three app install (which is an easy uninstall)
Doesn't att require the imei added for LTE? They audit accounts on the regular and if they find an unknown imei they disallow LTE.
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Thanks for posting, VZW wouldn't lock certain frequencies (12 and 17) on the Pixels like others have stated since their phones have been fully unlocked for years. This phone works with all US carriers.

jawmail said:
Thanks for posting, VZW wouldn't lock certain frequencies (12 and 17) on the Pixels like others have stated since their phones have been fully unlocked for years. This phone works with all US carriers.
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Yup and on top of that they seem 100% feature parity. I've even seen (on my Verizon sim) the option for volte video calling. And volte voice definitely works on T-Mobile as well as wifi calling.
Just the locked bootloader is the only downside.
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alexjzim said:
alright I take it back. According to google, it is carrier locked to verizon http://i.imgur.com/Jc9eV9E.png
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This is 100% incorrect. It is NOT locked to a carrier, and does support all bands. I have been using my VZW Pixel on other carriers.

TCPDump said:
This is 100% incorrect. It is NOT locked to a carrier, and does support all bands. I have been using my VZW Pixel on other carriers.
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Agreed, those customer service reps. need more training.

jawmail said:
Agreed, those customer service reps. need more training.
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The misinformation and confusion about this phone in general all the way around astounds me. It's actually rather simple. The only major difference in the Verizon variant from the play is that the bootloader is locked.

Galaxy S7 US Internal Hardware Differences?

Hi everyone, I heard a rumor that the Galaxy S7 has identical internal hardware across all carrier models in the US, and that the antenna bands are simply switched on and off in the firmware. Thus, if I were to buy the AT&T Galaxy S7 (930A), could I flash the firmware to T-Mobile (930T) and have full 2G, 3G, and 4G LTE support with all of the necessary carrier bands? Or would I still be missing a few?
I'm assuming that I would be flashing the firmware from Samobile with Odin and that I need to carrier unlock the phone and the bootloader first.
For those wondering why I want to do this, there's a huge sale on the AT&T model on Samsung's store.

shanez1215 said:
Hi everyone, I heard a rumor that the Galaxy S7 has identical internal hardware across all carrier models in the US, and that the antenna bands are simply switched on and off in the firmware. Thus, if I were to buy the AT&T Galaxy S7 (930A), could I flash the firmware to T-Mobile (930T) and have full 2G, 3G, and 4G LTE support with all of the necessary carrier bands? Or would I still be missing a few?
I'm assuming that I would be flashing the firmware from Samobile with Odin and that I need to carrier unlock the phone and the bootloader first.
For those wondering why I want to do this, there's a huge sale on the AT&T model on Samsung's store.
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I think the only difference in terms of hardware is the processor. The international version seems to be better on battery too.
The big difference overall is that you probably can't root the US version since the bootloader is blocked.
Check these links out for the processor/battery comparison:
http://beebom.com/snapdragon-820-vs-exynos-8890/

charliebigpot said:
I think the only difference in terms of hardware is the processor. The international version seems to be better on battery too.
The big difference overall is that you probably can't root the US version since the bootloader is blocked.
<Can't include link in quote due to XDA's spam thing>]
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I meant between the versions in the US (T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, etc.). If there's no differences, then all I have to do is change the software.
I didn't know that the US S7 can't be rooted. Can you unlock the bootloader?

shanez1215 said:
I meant between the versions in the US (T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, etc.). If there's no differences, then all I have to do is change the software.
I didn't know that the US S7 can't be rooted. Can you unlock the bootloader?
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I have a us Cellular s7 edge, currently running the 935u firmware. The s7 carrier models in the united States are basically all the same. There is a root available just check out the other carriers forums. The bootloader cannot be unlocked at the moment.

thescorpion420 said:
I have a us Cellular s7 edge, currently running the 935u firmware. The s7 carrier models in the united States are basically all the same. There is a root available just check out the other carriers forums. The bootloader cannot be unlocked at the moment.
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That's interesting (and kind of scummy for samsung to do especially since they have carrier exclusive sales).
Is the hardware the same for the s6 too?

LTE Bands by carrier.. Different? The same?

Hello, all.
I have seen similar posts to this; however, I cannot seem to get a definitive answer.
I have the Verizon 8+. I would like to throw my T-Mobile SIM card in to this device and use on T-Mobile. Reason for not purchasing the TMob phone is that I can save $$ through Verizon.
In any case, I have seen some posts that say that every carrier model contains the same LTE bands and I have seen some posts that say that certain models (VZW) may be lacking particular LTE bands required for ATT and T-Mobile.
Can anyone confirm one way or the other? Does the Verizon model (which is already unlocked) contain all the LTE bands I will need for full service on T-Mobile? Or is it worth just buying the T-Mobile variant?
Thanks in advance and I apologize for any duplicate post; however, I can not seem to find a definitive answer on this question.

Dial *#2263# on a Verizon gs8 and see what bands you can set it too.

codeworks said:
Hello, all.
I have seen similar posts to this; however, I cannot seem to get a definitive answer.
I have the Verizon 8+. I would like to throw my T-Mobile SIM card in to this device and use on T-Mobile. Reason for not purchasing the TMob phone is that I can save $$ through Verizon.
In any case, I have seen some posts that say that every carrier model contains the same LTE bands and I have seen some posts that say that certain models (VZW) may be lacking particular LTE bands required for ATT and T-Mobile.
Can anyone confirm one way or the other? Does the Verizon model (which is already unlocked) contain all the LTE bands I will need for full service on T-Mobile? Or is it worth just buying the T-Mobile variant?
Thanks in advance and I apologize for any duplicate post; however, I can not seem to find a definitive answer on this question.
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Just go to Samsung's website and check their specs. Someone also listed the links where you can get them with a simple click.
Just off hand they all have different spectrums, it will not have all T-mobile bands, and you will lose a carrier feature or two(different standards). It will have just enough for most places.
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First of all 2263 code is not valid for Verizon. Secondly Verizon blocks service mode on Samsung phones. If you want to use Verizon s8 on T-mobile, you'll have flash T-mobile firmware with odin to have all LTE bands.

The phones are the same hardware. You will need to flash the carrier firmware that you want on the device. So fkash TMO firmware on it and good to go. Thats how they did it with the S7. They all have all the bands. The firmware blocks some bands from other carriers but they do exist in the hardware.
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Sadly using the newest version of Odin you can not currently flash the T-Mobile firmware. It completes successfully using Odin and even after an immediate factory reset (with the VZW sim out) it still boots up with Verizon firmware.
If anyone figures this out I'd be real happy as well, as T-Mobile is much more reliable in my area.
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5g Bands on Qualcomm X55 modem

I'm curious, since the iphone 12 series is in stores today, it seems that the iphone is using the X55 Qualcomm modem. If I understand correctly, that's the same modem that the Snapdragon Note 20 ultra uses? If so, how come the iphone 12 has so many 5g bands, and the Note 20 ultra is so limited by region? If it's the same modem, why the difference?
If the modems are different, then please ignore my question

What I have noticed is that using the *#272*imei# method and changing it to DSH... I get the exact same amount with the sm-986u1...

GDHAMTON7 said:
What I have noticed is that using the *#272*imei# method and changing it to DSH... I get the exact same amount with the sm-986u1...
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This is on the 9860 model?
I'm still curious why apple uses the same modem and has pretty much all worldwide 5g bands covered, and the 9860 has a paltry 3 bands, especially when they're the same modems

hkalltheway said:
This is on the 9860 model?
I'm still curious why apple uses the same modem and has pretty much all worldwide 5g bands covered, and the 9860 has a paltry 3 bands, especially when they're the same modems
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I've the US unlocked sm-n986u1... And I'm not sure either. After I changed my csc to DSH... I noticed I had all these.

GDHAMTON7 said:
I've the US unlocked sm-n986u1... And I'm not sure either. After I changed my csc to DSH... I noticed I had all these.
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Cool, although I'm referring specifically to the 9860 model. Assuming all snapdragon units have the same X55 modem, I don't understand why they don't have the same 5g bands, when Apple has clearly shown that the modem is capable of ALL major 5g bands. Does Samsung specifically gimp the modem?

hkalltheway said:
Cool, although I'm referring specifically to the 9860 model. Assuming all snapdragon units have the same X55 modem, I don't understand why they don't have the same 5g bands, when Apple has clearly shown that the modem is capable of ALL major 5g bands. Does Samsung specifically gimp the modem?
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All the units do have the x55 modem and I am not sure why all the bands aren't available for roaming either. The available bands are controlled by the service mode built into the firmware, then further defined by the CSC. I know here in the US, the CSC controls more than just the 5G band availability as well. I have noticed when using t-mobile while on Verizon CSC, SA 5G won't register any service bars in the corner icon. Also band 41 5g, although enabled, won't connect. And then when using Verizon on Tmobile CSC, 5G n5 won't connect even with DSS and n5 NSA enabled.
It looks like architecture in iPhone is one worldwide firmware that just enables all bands and then available services are further changed by the carrier services from the installed Sim.

I followed this user's notes and I think this did the trick.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...de-service-mode-csc-guide-enable-lte-t4182293

GDHAMTON7 said:
I followed this user's notes and I think this did the trick.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...de-service-mode-csc-guide-enable-lte-t4182293
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After going through that thread, doesn't seem like enabling all bands is possible on the 9860.

Question T-Mobile and Verizon s22u same frequency bands?

I have an s22 Ultra from T-Mobile that is unlocked and on Verizon. Both should have amazing coverage where I live but it seems I'm getting a lot of 4g LTE and very much less 5g than I was while I was on t-mobile. Do the the Verizon and T-Mobile variant have different bands?

Nickdroid86 said:
I have an s22 Ultra from T-Mobile that is unlocked and on Verizon. Both should have amazing coverage where I live but it seems I'm getting a lot of 4g LTE and very much less 5g than I was while I was on t-mobile. Do the the Verizon and T-Mobile variant have different bands?
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Yes, they have different bands & VZW's 5G coverage isn't anywhere close to T-Mobile's, so, that doesn't surprise me that you aren't on 5G most of the time on VZW.
https://www.droid-life.com/2022/03/...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/

KOLIOSIS said:
Yes, they have different bands & VZW's 5G coverage isn't anywhere close to T-Mobile's, so, that doesn't surprise me that you aren't on 5G most of the time on VZW.
https://www.droid-life.com/2022/03/...sm-cdma-wcdma-lte-verizon-att-sprint-tmobile/
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But my question is, are the phones themselves identical on the inside as far as the bands they're equipped with go?

Nickdroid86 said:
But my question is, are the phones themselves identical on the inside as far as the bands they're equipped with go?
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Yeah, they're identical.
Edit, taking a deeper dive into that, BRB....

KOLIOSIS said:
Yeah, they're identical.
Edit, taking a deeper dive into that, BRB....
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@Nickdroid86
It appears that they have the same hardware.
However, & I'm not sure about this, but, if you're still running T-Mobile firmware, you might want to switch to VZW's firmware, or, run the US Unlocked firmware.
Again, I'm not sure if the firmware is going to make a difference.
FWIW, I have a T-Mobile S22 Ultra on US Unlocked firmware (XAA) & I'm getting every band available in my area (on T-Mobile's network).
Hopefully, someone else in a similar situation as yours w/an S22 Ultra will chime in.

Good point. I did flash the unlocked 908u1 firmware, that was listed under TMobile though. Back when I wanted to get rid of the bloat and splash screen.

Nickdroid86 said:
Good point. I did flash the unlocked 908u1 firmware, that was listed under TMobile though. Back when I wanted to get rid of the bloat and splash screen.
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I looked on this site for possible hardware (antenna) differences & it seems to indicate all US Models are identical in that regard:
https://phonedb.net/ (formerly PDADB.net & IIRC,the site is affiliated/owned/etc... by XDA).
I know there are other mfgs that have carrier-specific (VZW) models,to accommodate their flavor of 5G,but,it doesn't seem to be the case w/the S22 Ultra (appears all US Bands are supported).

KOLIOSIS said:
I looked on this site for possible hardware (antenna) differences & it seems to indicate all US Models are identical in that regard:
https://phonedb.net/ (formerly PDADB.net &IIRC,the site is affiliated/owned/etc... by XDA).
I know there are other mfgs that have carrier-specific (VZW) models,to accommodate their flavor of 5G,but,it doesn't seem to be the case w/the S22 Ultra (appears all US Bands are supported).
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Cool thanks for that info.