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So now that Google (and probably media companies) have decided to cut off rooted Xooms from media, how do we do device backups? Is there a backup solution that doesn't require root?
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ericbergan said:
So now that Google (and probably media companies) have decided to cut off rooted Xooms from media, how do we do device backups? Is there a backup solution that doesn't require root?
eric
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You can always just copy your stuff off with a computer. it wont back up all your setting and such but at least you wont lose any data.
True, but we all spend lots of time configuring our tablets and their applications.
As it stands right now, seems like Google doesn't value our time spent doing that, since there is no backup/restore solution (that works with their media solution) in case of device loss or failure?
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ericbergan said:
True, but we all spend lots of time configuring our tablets and their applications.
As it stands right now, seems like Google doesn't value our time spent doing that, since there is no backup/restore solution (that works with their media solution) in case of device loss or failure?
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Oh I agree 100% Thats why I rooted.. just so i could backup with rom manager
I am still trying to figure out if there is any way to do a backup before rooting, since it seems that rooting will wipe the Xoom.
I have a stock 3.1 3g, and as with the earlier posting, I don't really want to reconfigure everything, and reinstall all my apps, in order to root. Is there any way to backup, then root?
Its not the rooting itself that will cause you to loose everything it is the unlocking of the bootloader. I think your sol but I may be wrong though. I am a titanium backup user myself so I never used the app but try mybackup. I think that's what's called any ways. It says you don't need root and IV seen other users with other devices that used it so give it a shot.
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Hi guys, my girlfriend bought a lumia 710, and one day after she bought it, I flashed a custom rom
But, we can't remember making any call before the new ROM, and with the new ROM the call quality is TERRIBLE, when I try to talk to her, I always hear a very loud echo, and her voice is always very low...
Has anyone got a similar bug? can this be caused by the ROM? or is it a problem with the phone and we need to send it to the technical assistance??
I was thinking on trying to put a custom ROM based com 7.8 to see if this fixes the call problem, but we don't want to lose every progress we made on our games :crying: is there anyway to make a backup of the savegames so I can put it back on the new ROM?
You're quite likely to get flamed (and rightly so) for the last part of your first sentence. I'll certainly tell you that I have no particular interest in helping you. I might even engage in a bit of it myself...
With that said, I don't know whether there are call problems with Lumia 710 custom ROMs, but normally that certainly isn't a problem they have. As for backup, there are ways both to back up the whole phone, or individual app storage. I'll leave the issue of finding them up to you; you seem perfectly capable of searching XDA-Devs when your goal is to abuse the hard work of the forum's actual contributors and be a greedy cheapskate with a sense of entitlement; so you have a pretty good chance of finding the backup tools too.
Oh look, I guess I did...
Specht77 said:
.... but we don't want to lose every progress we made on our games :crying: is there anyway to make a backup of the savegames so I can put it back on the new ROM?
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If that Lumia is unlocked you can do backup with data bases your games (and other apps) via Windows Phone Device Manager from Julien Schapman. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=965788
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You're quite likely to get flamed (and rightly so) for the last part of your first sentence. I'll certainly tell you that I have no particular interest in helping you. I might even engage in a bit of it myself...
With that said, I don't know whether there are call problems with Lumia 710 custom ROMs, but normally that certainly isn't a problem they have. As for backup, there are ways both to back up the whole phone, or individual app storage. I'll leave the issue of finding them up to you; you seem perfectly capable of searching XDA-Devs when your goal is to abuse the hard work of the forum's actual contributors and be a greedy cheapskate with a sense of entitlement; so you have a pretty good chance of finding the backup tools too.
Oh look, I guess I did...
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whoa easy there, don't need to come with 20 rocks on your hands...
Let's go by parts... You mean to tell me that I'm getting flamed just because we don't want to lose our progress on games? Isn't it normal? Don't you play games on your phone and computer? You wouldn't mind to lose all your progress?
I really don't know why to be so hater, i mean, if I was asking this stuff in other sub-forum I would understand, but this is the part for questions, aren't we suposed to ask stuff in here?
The last thing I want is to abuse or anything, I'm just asking here because I made a search on the internet and I didn't find anything helpful, and I thought that it was possible that someone here could had the same problem and know how to fix it...
My english is not perfect, dunno if I sounded rude on the first post up there, if so, sorry, don't need to be rude back... That wasn't my objective...
Now, about the backups, you said that it's possible to backup the whole phone, what do you mean about "whole"? It include the OS? So if I put the 7.8 I couldn't restore the savegames? If I try to restore it'll downgrade?
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I flashed a custom rom to put more games on it...
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GoodDayToDie is refering to this comment... Here at XDA we DO NOT condone, encourage, support or assist in Piracy!
well damn, is it too late to just forget this little part?
In fairness, the loss of app progress is a huge problem however those apps got on your phone (yes, I do a ton of gaming on my phone, and at one point lost a lot of progress when I had to roll back the phone without being able to back up app data). That's why we do now, in fact, have tools for backing up the file in individual apps.
As for the "whole phone" thing, that's everything - the OS, the firmware, and the data - all in one opaque and encrypted blob. It's very handy for something to do before you mess with your phone's ROM or try experimental hacks. However, when it's restored, it overwrites everything on the phone back to that state. There's no way to do it piecemeal.
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If that Lumia is unlocked you can do backup with data bases your games (and other apps) via Windows Phone Device Manager from Julien Schapman. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=965788
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Is it documented someplace on what to backup with this before installing a custom rom ? Under a quick look and search, I could not find the exact info on how to do this correctly
I want to backup all Game saves, phone log, SMS and picture messages and install a custom rom then restore them so I dont lose my any of it. Is this possable ? This would make i
I did seach, sorry if I missed it someplace....
Thanks in advance !
well, looks like i'm a bit out of luck...
I tried doing backup of the savegames with Windows Phone Device Manager, and installed the new ROM to see if it would fix the call quality...
well, it didn't, then I had an idea, and took off the case, and discovered that the case was causing this problem, it was in front of the microphone, that's why it was making echo, it was capturing sound from inside the phone, and I could hear her voice very low...
basically I "formated" the phone for nothing... and I tried to restore the backups I made on the WPDM, and it said that it restored successfully, but I tried the games... and it was with 0% progress !!!
I trully should have tried to learn more about making that full backup, it would be useful now!!!
edit: well, just kinectimals worked the backup
Specht77 said:
well, looks like i'm a bit out of luck...
I tried doing backup of the savegames with Windows Phone Device Manager, and installed the new ROM to see if it would fix the call quality...
well, it didn't, then I had an idea, and took off the case, and discovered that the case was causing this problem, it was in front of the microphone, that's why it was making echo, it was capturing sound from inside the phone, and I could hear her voice very low...
basically I "formated" the phone for nothing... and I tried to restore the backups I made on the WPDM, and it said that it restored successfully, but I tried the games... and it was with 0% progress !!!
I trully should have tried to learn more about making that full backup, it would be useful now!!!
edit: well, just kinectimals worked the backup
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Did you have to redownload the games before restoring ?
well, I installed them, then tries to restore the backup but nothing happened, didnt had to redownload and it's still 0%...
But don't worry, at least I discovered what was causing the call problem... Now we just need to make a little cut on the case!
Hi, all. I'm new to rooting. I have a simple question to which I can't find a straightforward answer. I think I can follow this tutorial without any problems. Assuming that I follow the tutorial correctly, will it delete any of my data, my app data, my contacts, text message, etc.? I have a lot of stuff on my phone and I would be kind of devastated if I lost it all.
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Hi, all. I'm new to rooting. I have a simple question to which I can't find a straightforward answer. I think I can follow this tutorial without any problems. Assuming that I follow the tutorial correctly, will it delete any of my data, my app data, my contacts, text message, etc.? I have a lot of stuff on my phone and I would be kind of devastated if I lost it all.
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All of your data, contacts, text's etc. will be unaffected by the root procedure. That being said very rarely things can go wrong, in which case if you want to air on the side of extreme caution I would recommend using an app such as My Backup, to backup the things you absolutely wouldn't want to loose.
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All of your data, contacts, text's etc. will be unaffected by the root procedure. That being said very rarely things can go wrong, in which case if you want to air on the side of extreme caution I would recommend using an app such as My Backup, to backup the things you absolutely wouldn't want to loose.
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What he said .. you won't lose anything rooting. Flashing roms however requires a wipe, so if you're going to flash roms make sure you used the app he linked to back up your apps and app data.
Adding on to my previous advice, once your rooted I would strong recommend using Titanium Backup it offers many useful features. The Pro version of Titanium Backup is something to look into and well worth the money for the extended functionality it provides.
Or ROM toolbox pro. They're working on adding a few features TBP has, once they do ROM toolbox pro will probably be the best root app
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Thank you for your help and the quick responses. I appreciate it. As soon as I get some free time, I'm gonna go root my phone. There's some stuff I've been wanting to do with Tasker, but my S3 needed to be rooted. Again, thank you.
Let me start by saying I'm not the new kid on the block. I've been using Android since it's inception. I am an Android fanatic. I root, tinker with roms, apps, settings, kernels, mods, etc. . You name it, I do it( as far as android is concerned). I say this with a singular purpose, don't flame me for this question because to me it seems completely valid.
Why does android not have the ability backup itself built in( this should not require root) ?
Why has Google not implemented the ability to do so from a computer? <<- This should be identical to how an iPhone is backed up ( don't flame on this because it's actually one of the things iPhone does better than anyone else, and I hate Apple. However I give credit where it's due)
Don't tell me we have plenty of options even if we're not rooted, if this we're the case then people would not rely on clockwork mod recoveries, twrp, or the like. Those types of restores should be available without having a custom recovery, custom rom, or root in and of itself.
Also don't bring up the backup using adb, it's hidden, and it is mediocre. It fails to backup a lot of things.
I'm asking only about a complete backup option, with possibly the option to select and deselect certain types of data<<--This to should be similar to backing up an iPhone .
Now who here would like this to be a feature implemented in the next version of android?
If you answer my questions please just be clear and concise.
I will respond should it be warranted, or requested.
This is not a flaming thread, don't do it.
I look forward to all of your responses.
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Let me start by saying I'm not the new kid on the block. I've been using Android since it's inception. I am an Android fanatic. I root, tinker with roms, apps, settings, kernels, mods, etc. . You name it, I do it( as far as android is concerned). I say this with a singular purpose, don't flame me for this question because to me it seems completely valid.
Why does android not have the ability backup itself built in( this should not require root) ?
Why has Google not implemented the ability to do so from a computer? <<- This should be identical to how an iPhone is backed up ( don't flame on this because it's actually one of the things iPhone does better than anyone else, and I hate Apple. However I give credit where it's due)
Don't tell me we have plenty of options even if we're not rooted, if this we're the case then people would not rely on clockwork mod recoveries, twrp, or the like. Those types of restores should be available without having a custom recovery, custom rom, or root in and of itself.
Also don't bring up the backup using adb, it's hidden, and it is mediocre. It fails to backup a lot of things.
I'm asking only about a complete backup option, with possibly the option to select and deselect certain types of data<<--This to should be similar to backing up an iPhone .
Now who here would like this to be a feature implemented in the next version of android?
If you answer my questions please just be clear and concise.
I will respond should it be warranted, or requested.
This is not a flaming thread, don't do it.
I look forward to all of your responses.
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Well, you want some gain, you would have to bear some pain.......
Well... to be honest, i really don't use backups much, just titanium backup and we've got non-root alternatives as you stated, so , it's not a matter of great attention to me.... I like fresh and clean installs
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Let me start by saying I'm not the new kid on the block. I've been using Android since it's inception. I am an Android fanatic. I root, tinker with roms, apps, settings, kernels, mods, etc. . You name it, I do it( as far as android is concerned). I say this with a singular purpose, don't flame me for this question because to me it seems completely valid.
Why does android not have the ability backup itself built in( this should not require root) ?
Why has Google not implemented the ability to do so from a computer? <<- This should be identical to how an iPhone is backed up ( don't flame on this because it's actually one of the things iPhone does better than anyone else, and I hate Apple. However I give credit where it's due)
Don't tell me we have plenty of options even if we're not rooted, if this we're the case then people would not rely on clockwork mod recoveries, twrp, or the like. Those types of restores should be available without having a custom recovery, custom rom, or root in and of itself.
Also don't bring up the backup using adb, it's hidden, and it is mediocre. It fails to backup a lot of things.
I'm asking only about a complete backup option, with possibly the option to select and deselect certain types of data<<--This to should be similar to backing up an iPhone .
Now who here would like this to be a feature implemented in the next version of android?
If you answer my questions please just be clear and concise.
I will respond should it be warranted, or requested.
This is not a flaming thread, don't do it.
I look forward to all of your responses.
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it seems like a interesting idea, when i had a ipod touch back then, i jail broke it and after a few days it decided to not want to turn on (stayed at apple logo) and iTunes detected it and i was able to restore it to brand spanking new. i dont think it would be possible for google to do so without root ( and a few Sues here and there from apple ) Android is based off linux right? we can make backups on linux because we have Super User permissions, we own this Computer, we can do all the Admin Crap we want. for android, Samsung owns your phone or HTC owns your phone, You do not have full Admin permissions on your device to make a backup (of the sort we are talking about) also im sure the OEM's would be angry with people easily being able to Restore their broken device so they wont buy that phone a second time or even get a bigger more expensive phone.
The reason I bring it up is not because of fresh installs, or whatever.
Here is an example:
A regular non techie person, has Android phone x. They make a complete backup using the aforementioned capabilities that isn't implemented yet. There phones screen goes out, they drop there phone in water, whatever the phone is not in working condition. Well if they had the capabilities that I'm referring to, that phone would need to be called on warranty, or for the latter insurance. Either way they are sent a new device, same model as they had previously. Now they sync there backup, and there back up and running.
The way it is now, that person would have to hope that Google syncs back there apps ( it has never worked for me, except for contacts, and for the most part developers aren't backing up there app data to Google so that is not something you get back).
Not to mention settings are never synced, so there's that.
Point being android does not have any good options to make a complete backup. The only real options require root, which an average consumer will not have. This is why I'm saying it should be simplified, to where we can do it via one click on a pc.
I personally would like to start a petition for this, as anyone could benefit from this function.
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Well, you want some gain, you would have to bear some pain.......
Well... to be honest, i really don't use backups much, just titanium backup and we've got non-root alternatives as you stated, so , it's not a matter of great attention to me.... I like fresh and clean installs
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True, but if it's implemented within android that's not really an issue.
Look at it like this, we used to need root to screen shot, to Hotspot, to install apps out of the Android market ( not really been an issue since it hasn't been Google play because android was fairly mature by then). Point is Google gave those features, and implemented them natively, this removing need to root to do them. The same could be done with the ability to make backups.
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it seems like a interesting idea, when i had a ipod touch back then, i jail broke it and after a few days it decided to not want to turn on (stayed at apple logo) and iTunes detected it and i was able to restore it to brand spanking new. i dont think it would be possible for google to do so without root ( and a few Sues here and there from apple ) Android is based off linux right? we can make backups on linux because we have Super User permissions, we own this Computer, we can do all the Admin Crap we want. for android, Samsung owns your phone or HTC owns your phone, You do not have full Admin permissions on your device to make a backup (of the sort we are talking about) also im sure the OEM's would be angry with people easily being able to Restore their broken device so they wont buy that phone a second time or even get a bigger more expensive phone.
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Ment to quote you in the above quote.
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Ment to quote you in the above quote.
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well i think google has done enough to make google as great as it is today, im thinking the reason why we dont have one of these options could be that they want us to make a program for this? im sure eventually they will have such a option to download multiple apps on a que so we can install them quickly without have to go over Each specific one.
Well actually what I'm referring to would have to be done by Google.
Here's why, locked bootloaders, encrypted boot loaders, etc.
The developer community could make such a program, but it's going to need root to be able to do what I'm referring to.
Google would have to make the OEMs use a standard, so that it could be accomplished without exposing there software. This would probably mean our backups would have to be encrypted on a per Google account basis.
It's not an impossible feat.
1) It would simply require Google to make the standard, and ensure that it's enforced. Ignoring it would mean no Google services, which to most is a huge negative.
2) Google release the program.
3) OEM would need to ensure compliance with said program, and submit software drivers to Google, or simply distribute them via there website( as they do now). Preferably submitting them to Google.
4) Making backups would become so much easier, especially for the average joe
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Trozzul said:
well i think google has done enough to make google as great as it is today, im thinking the reason why we dont have one of these options could be that they want us to make a program for this? im sure eventually they will have such a option to download multiple apps on a que so we can install them quickly without have to go over Each specific one.
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One big problem with this is the syncing of app data. I don't want to have to restart my games every time I get a different device( especially a replacement device that is the same model as my prior device).
Another thing, I keep an electronic checkbook, and would be thrilled if I could keep that app data from here on out, even when I change devices. However this definitely something I don't want Google's prying eyes on. So only local backup, which makes the complete backup via pc even more vital.
Maybe since businesses are the next aim, they will implement this feature because it can be vital certain data be absolutely private, but still have backups.
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Greetings!
Just picked up a Pixel 6a, coming from an LG-V30. Have been out of the custom ROM game since switching from a Nexus5 to the LG which had minimal custom ROM options (stock was really quite good).
With the Nexus5 I was used to doing full backups (boot/system/data) with TWRP so I could try out a new ROM and reverting to my original ROM (completely set up with all my apps and data) with very little effort or down time.
I've spent some time reading the forum and it doesn't look like TWRP is really a thing for the Pixel 6a and I've found very little info about making a similar "full" backup.
Does such an option exist?
I'd like to test drive LineageOS (and maybe one or two others, I was a huge fan of CyanogenMod in the past), but having spent the last several days getting things "just right" in my stock/rooted setup I'm not thrilled at the idea of doing it again just to try something that might not work out.
Not really looking for "Google Backup" style options, I would like a solution I can do 100% local to try something out and then easily and quickly revert if needed.
Thanks!
TWRP style full backup isnt possible anymore, but you can use Swift backup to do a TiBu style app backup. Between Swift and Google a clean flash isnt horrible, but yeah.....I definitely also miss the full backup option.
Hi!
You can try this one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/tool-root-adb-partition-backup-restore-tool-for-windows.4512231/
I could backup my Pixel 6a completely.
Sorry, but there is no such option. I have P6 and also miss TWRP or Clockwork kind of recovery solution. There is nothing similar (as far as I know) like what we had on previous phones... Now I use Swift backup for apps backup, but that's not what you looking for.
Thanks for the replies, even if they aren't what I was hoping for...
I have switched to Swift as well, too many issues with TiBU restoring data and ending up with force close problems.
Jan61 - Looks interesting, but I'm not sure it's ready for general use.
Typical Google, one step forward but two steps back for users who want to do more than just buy a phone.
Oh well, guess I will live with stock for a while and let Lineage get more stable (maybe even official).
Can you use Swift Backup to backup app data without being rooted?
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Can you use Swift Backup to backup app data without being rooted?
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As far as I know no, unfortunately.
"swift" is closed source software being distributed by somebody you can't hold accountable for any kind of security problems in the software. It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously). I would HIGHLY recommend that you avoid this software.
Better backup software is *NEO Backup* (available on F-Droid), which is open source and quite auditable.
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"swift" is closed source software being distributed by somebody you can't hold accountable for any kind of security problems in the software. It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously). I would HIGHLY recommend that you avoid this software.
Better backup software is *NEO Backup* (available on F-Droid), which is open source and quite auditable.
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You mean like a Microsoft system
or an apple system
Both are closed source
I don't vouch for swift backup, I tried it and most of my restored apps crashed repeatedly / didn't backup correctly. I am still looking for a good backup android solution that works similar to windows system image backups.
I've used it since day one
I've never had a problem with it
I've been using a Google phone since day one
The only backup problem I ever had was tibu
That was the biggest piece of **** there was
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You mean like a Microsoft system
or an apple system
Both are closed source
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Both are hideously untrustworthy, but at least you can hold them accountable for data theft.
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It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously).
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Curious, does that include being blocked by a a rooted system level firewall (AFWall+/iptables)?
I've never trusted Google's "toggles" to turn things off properly.
And FWIW - You (as an individual user) are as likely to hold crApple/Micro$oft accountable as you would the author of Swift for any data theft.
EDIT - That said, I will give NEO a look, options are always good to have available.
NEO requires root
Maybe this helps someone.
I do full backup with:
- Plug phone into PC and copy each folder down. Sometimes you have to go one-by-one, or a few folders at once, or Windows just freezes up. Once all copied, great.
- Use Super Backup app from Play Store to make a backup of everything. Calendar, Call Logs, Contacts, etc.
Once all done:
Use the phone's built-in migration solution IF same brand; IF not, use Google app to transfer/migrate. This will copy most of your app settings and whatnot to your new device. (I skip pictures, etc.) To copy over pictures, I just use Windows and the previously made backup to copy over the DCIM folder for example.
And that's it, works flawless for me.
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Non-issue, I rooted the phone the day I got it.
I won't own a phone that can't be rooted.
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Maybe this helps someone.
I do full backup with:
- Plug phone into PC and copy each folder down. Sometimes you have to go one-by-one, or a few folders at once, or Windows just freezes up. Once all copied, great.
- Use Super Backup app from Play Store to make a backup of everything. Calendar, Call Logs, Contacts, etc.
Once all done:
Use the phone's built-in migration solution IF same brand; IF not, use Google app to transfer/migrate. This will copy most of your app settings and whatnot to your new device. (I skip pictures, etc.) To copy over pictures, I just use Windows and the previously made backup to copy over the DCIM folder for example.
And that's it, works flawless for me.
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I do something similar for migration, but I'm not looking for a one time migration. I want to be able to bounce around on a couple custom ROMs for a day or two and then settle on the one I like. Used to be easy with TWRP backup to image the entire phone in a single step, not so much any more.
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Curious, does that include being blocked by a a rooted system level firewall (AFWall+/iptables)?
I've never trusted Google's "toggles" to turn things off properly.
And FWIW - You (as an individual user) are as likely to hold crApple/Micro$oft accountable as you would the author of Swift for any data theft.
EDIT - That said, I will give NEO a look, options are always good to have available.
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Root can bypass *everything*. No exception. That includes either switching to a different user to work around firewall rules, or even adjusting the rules to suit. Selinux? "setenforce 0".
As far as holding the fruit company or vaxx pushers accountable, keep in mind that its not just YOU needing to hold them accountable, but EVERYBODY ELSE harmed by their software. So yes, it will come to something VERY substantial.
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As far as holding the fruit company or vaxx pushers accountable, keep in mind that its not just YOU needing to hold them accountable, but EVERYBODY ELSE harmed by their software. So yes, it will come to something VERY substantial.
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If it's more than just individuals (ie. class action lawsuit), the only ones who get anything "substantial" are the lawyers.
You'll get a coupon for 10% off your next i-Thing or Windoze "upgrade", the lawyers will get the cash.
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If it's more than just individuals (ie. class action lawsuit), the only ones who get anything "substantial" are the lawyers.
You'll get a coupon for 10% off your next i-Thing or Windoze "upgrade", the lawyers will get the cash.
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You assume that the objective is to get a payday, when the objective is actually to punish them for bad behavior.