Let me start by saying I'm not the new kid on the block. I've been using Android since it's inception. I am an Android fanatic. I root, tinker with roms, apps, settings, kernels, mods, etc. . You name it, I do it( as far as android is concerned). I say this with a singular purpose, don't flame me for this question because to me it seems completely valid.
Why does android not have the ability backup itself built in( this should not require root) ?
Why has Google not implemented the ability to do so from a computer? <<- This should be identical to how an iPhone is backed up ( don't flame on this because it's actually one of the things iPhone does better than anyone else, and I hate Apple. However I give credit where it's due)
Don't tell me we have plenty of options even if we're not rooted, if this we're the case then people would not rely on clockwork mod recoveries, twrp, or the like. Those types of restores should be available without having a custom recovery, custom rom, or root in and of itself.
Also don't bring up the backup using adb, it's hidden, and it is mediocre. It fails to backup a lot of things.
I'm asking only about a complete backup option, with possibly the option to select and deselect certain types of data<<--This to should be similar to backing up an iPhone .
Now who here would like this to be a feature implemented in the next version of android?
If you answer my questions please just be clear and concise.
I will respond should it be warranted, or requested.
This is not a flaming thread, don't do it.
I look forward to all of your responses.
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Let me start by saying I'm not the new kid on the block. I've been using Android since it's inception. I am an Android fanatic. I root, tinker with roms, apps, settings, kernels, mods, etc. . You name it, I do it( as far as android is concerned). I say this with a singular purpose, don't flame me for this question because to me it seems completely valid.
Why does android not have the ability backup itself built in( this should not require root) ?
Why has Google not implemented the ability to do so from a computer? <<- This should be identical to how an iPhone is backed up ( don't flame on this because it's actually one of the things iPhone does better than anyone else, and I hate Apple. However I give credit where it's due)
Don't tell me we have plenty of options even if we're not rooted, if this we're the case then people would not rely on clockwork mod recoveries, twrp, or the like. Those types of restores should be available without having a custom recovery, custom rom, or root in and of itself.
Also don't bring up the backup using adb, it's hidden, and it is mediocre. It fails to backup a lot of things.
I'm asking only about a complete backup option, with possibly the option to select and deselect certain types of data<<--This to should be similar to backing up an iPhone .
Now who here would like this to be a feature implemented in the next version of android?
If you answer my questions please just be clear and concise.
I will respond should it be warranted, or requested.
This is not a flaming thread, don't do it.
I look forward to all of your responses.
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Well, you want some gain, you would have to bear some pain.......
Well... to be honest, i really don't use backups much, just titanium backup and we've got non-root alternatives as you stated, so , it's not a matter of great attention to me.... I like fresh and clean installs
playerjunglejosh said:
Let me start by saying I'm not the new kid on the block. I've been using Android since it's inception. I am an Android fanatic. I root, tinker with roms, apps, settings, kernels, mods, etc. . You name it, I do it( as far as android is concerned). I say this with a singular purpose, don't flame me for this question because to me it seems completely valid.
Why does android not have the ability backup itself built in( this should not require root) ?
Why has Google not implemented the ability to do so from a computer? <<- This should be identical to how an iPhone is backed up ( don't flame on this because it's actually one of the things iPhone does better than anyone else, and I hate Apple. However I give credit where it's due)
Don't tell me we have plenty of options even if we're not rooted, if this we're the case then people would not rely on clockwork mod recoveries, twrp, or the like. Those types of restores should be available without having a custom recovery, custom rom, or root in and of itself.
Also don't bring up the backup using adb, it's hidden, and it is mediocre. It fails to backup a lot of things.
I'm asking only about a complete backup option, with possibly the option to select and deselect certain types of data<<--This to should be similar to backing up an iPhone .
Now who here would like this to be a feature implemented in the next version of android?
If you answer my questions please just be clear and concise.
I will respond should it be warranted, or requested.
This is not a flaming thread, don't do it.
I look forward to all of your responses.
Sent from my LG-E980 using xda app-developers app
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it seems like a interesting idea, when i had a ipod touch back then, i jail broke it and after a few days it decided to not want to turn on (stayed at apple logo) and iTunes detected it and i was able to restore it to brand spanking new. i dont think it would be possible for google to do so without root ( and a few Sues here and there from apple ) Android is based off linux right? we can make backups on linux because we have Super User permissions, we own this Computer, we can do all the Admin Crap we want. for android, Samsung owns your phone or HTC owns your phone, You do not have full Admin permissions on your device to make a backup (of the sort we are talking about) also im sure the OEM's would be angry with people easily being able to Restore their broken device so they wont buy that phone a second time or even get a bigger more expensive phone.
The reason I bring it up is not because of fresh installs, or whatever.
Here is an example:
A regular non techie person, has Android phone x. They make a complete backup using the aforementioned capabilities that isn't implemented yet. There phones screen goes out, they drop there phone in water, whatever the phone is not in working condition. Well if they had the capabilities that I'm referring to, that phone would need to be called on warranty, or for the latter insurance. Either way they are sent a new device, same model as they had previously. Now they sync there backup, and there back up and running.
The way it is now, that person would have to hope that Google syncs back there apps ( it has never worked for me, except for contacts, and for the most part developers aren't backing up there app data to Google so that is not something you get back).
Not to mention settings are never synced, so there's that.
Point being android does not have any good options to make a complete backup. The only real options require root, which an average consumer will not have. This is why I'm saying it should be simplified, to where we can do it via one click on a pc.
I personally would like to start a petition for this, as anyone could benefit from this function.
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Well, you want some gain, you would have to bear some pain.......
Well... to be honest, i really don't use backups much, just titanium backup and we've got non-root alternatives as you stated, so , it's not a matter of great attention to me.... I like fresh and clean installs
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True, but if it's implemented within android that's not really an issue.
Look at it like this, we used to need root to screen shot, to Hotspot, to install apps out of the Android market ( not really been an issue since it hasn't been Google play because android was fairly mature by then). Point is Google gave those features, and implemented them natively, this removing need to root to do them. The same could be done with the ability to make backups.
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it seems like a interesting idea, when i had a ipod touch back then, i jail broke it and after a few days it decided to not want to turn on (stayed at apple logo) and iTunes detected it and i was able to restore it to brand spanking new. i dont think it would be possible for google to do so without root ( and a few Sues here and there from apple ) Android is based off linux right? we can make backups on linux because we have Super User permissions, we own this Computer, we can do all the Admin Crap we want. for android, Samsung owns your phone or HTC owns your phone, You do not have full Admin permissions on your device to make a backup (of the sort we are talking about) also im sure the OEM's would be angry with people easily being able to Restore their broken device so they wont buy that phone a second time or even get a bigger more expensive phone.
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Ment to quote you in the above quote.
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Ment to quote you in the above quote.
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well i think google has done enough to make google as great as it is today, im thinking the reason why we dont have one of these options could be that they want us to make a program for this? im sure eventually they will have such a option to download multiple apps on a que so we can install them quickly without have to go over Each specific one.
Well actually what I'm referring to would have to be done by Google.
Here's why, locked bootloaders, encrypted boot loaders, etc.
The developer community could make such a program, but it's going to need root to be able to do what I'm referring to.
Google would have to make the OEMs use a standard, so that it could be accomplished without exposing there software. This would probably mean our backups would have to be encrypted on a per Google account basis.
It's not an impossible feat.
1) It would simply require Google to make the standard, and ensure that it's enforced. Ignoring it would mean no Google services, which to most is a huge negative.
2) Google release the program.
3) OEM would need to ensure compliance with said program, and submit software drivers to Google, or simply distribute them via there website( as they do now). Preferably submitting them to Google.
4) Making backups would become so much easier, especially for the average joe
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Trozzul said:
well i think google has done enough to make google as great as it is today, im thinking the reason why we dont have one of these options could be that they want us to make a program for this? im sure eventually they will have such a option to download multiple apps on a que so we can install them quickly without have to go over Each specific one.
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One big problem with this is the syncing of app data. I don't want to have to restart my games every time I get a different device( especially a replacement device that is the same model as my prior device).
Another thing, I keep an electronic checkbook, and would be thrilled if I could keep that app data from here on out, even when I change devices. However this definitely something I don't want Google's prying eyes on. So only local backup, which makes the complete backup via pc even more vital.
Maybe since businesses are the next aim, they will implement this feature because it can be vital certain data be absolutely private, but still have backups.
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I have about two weeks experience with Android OS and as a software developer I will be interested to know the technical details behind the Android OS.
I have already noticed this is possible to upgrade applications ported with the handset's ROM i.e. the Market app. This raised the question to me why can't I uninstall applications from the ROM without rooting or risking my handset's warranty to achieve this?
Is my expectation as a user of computers for 20 years unreasonable to think in 2010 with all software development and technological advances the uninstall feature should have been in Android OS from day one?
This is not exactly like Google is the first company in the world developed an OS to just the lack of experience with what users would want. From what I have seen so far in world of Android is that, the first thing users would want to know how to root their handset to remove packages that they have no use for.
My guess is that Google doesn't want users removing Systems apps. I'm assuming that they think that these applications are core and thus don't want you removing them. Remove the market, no more apps... or way to get it back etc.
Applications installed by you can be uninstalled, I'm just thinking it is the same as in windows, you can't uninstall the task manager etc (Bad example but meh =P)
Very simple - to prevent lay users from removing critical components.
Can you imagine the service costs involved in reparing devices that that have been damaged by people trying to remove bloatware?
They still give you the option to restore.
OK DISREGUARD THIS AS I MISSED THE PART ABOUT NEEDING TO ROOT!
They can be removed but its not recommended to do so without know EXACTLY what your removing and weather is vital to your phones operating system.
BUT in order to do so your phone needs root access, and root explorer installed. There are several forums on just about all android support sites that explain how to root, install the manager, and which apps/files NOT to remove.
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They can be removed but its not recommended to do so without know EXACTLY what your removing and weather is vital to your phones operating system.
BUT in order to do so your phone needs root access, and root explorer installed. There are several forums on just about all android support sites that explain how to root, install the manager, and which apps/files NOT to remove.
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Ye u can remove almost every stock app but this may affect the stability of your phone, modifying your phone always comes with the option restoring it back to default. If something goes wrong with moding (something really hard and extraordinary rare ) u can restore it. Browsing through Xda might solve many questions, we all didn't wanted stock rom (not because it was bad, because we can have s omething better. This community has VERY VERY good developers.
Androids own!!!
One thing I still don't get is...
How can Google upgrade Market app without the su privilage but the rest of the world has to root their phones to remove bloatware such as 'amazon mp3'?
@ftgg99: How much bloatware in Windows cost Microsoft or PC manufacturers? None in fact they get paid to include them with your hardware. However, I see an issue with mobile devices. You have already paid for the ROM storage, the bigger ROM size is the more expensive your handset would be, then the manufacturer uses your already paid ROM to make even more money by installing bloatware. I would be a fool to think manufacturers would pass on a percentage of the bloatware earnings by reducing the cost of their products to the consumers in this model.
The way I see it, the burden has been put on the communities such as xda. Users wouldn't ask the manufacturers how to root their handsets and this is left to the dedicated individuals to overcome the mess compnies normally leave us with. I'm not going to say the mess is a cost saving measure by companies.
The thing is that there are a lot more people buy and use phones than computers. After someone buys a smart phone with intention to use for calls, text, web and to use some apps, they realize the possibilities of the smart phone, they start digging in to the files, therefore Google blocked the root folder from modifying, otherwise Google would have to repair warrantied phones that didn't have to end up there just because people didn't know or care what they did. But if you got passed ROOTING, you must know what you are doing and from this point you can modify files and apps, but now ROOTING becomes too easy.
Basically just because too many juveniles got their hands on the equipment.
CSharpHeaven said:
One thing I still don't get is...
How can Google upgrade Market app without the su privilage but the rest of the world has to root their phones to remove bloatware such as 'amazon mp3'?
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I'm also very interested to read the answer for this one!
CSharpHeaven said:
One thing I still don't get is...
How can Google upgrade Market app without the su privilage but the rest of the world has to root their phones to remove bloatware such as 'amazon mp3'?
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I'm also very interested to read the answer for this one!
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The answer, from my point of view, is quite simple: they just upgrade the application on /data/app ON TOP of the /system/app default Market version. So, you can always go back to your "default" version just by "uninstalling updates".
Summary: they do not upgrade the Market form ROM, just install the new version on top.
CSharpHeaven said:
I have about two weeks experience with Android OS and as a software developer I will be interested to know the technical details behind the Android OS.
I have already noticed this is possible to upgrade applications ported with the handset's ROM i.e. the Market app. This raised the question to me why can't I uninstall applications from the ROM without rooting or risking my handset's warranty to achieve this?
Is my expectation as a user of computers for 20 years unreasonable to think in 2010 with all software development and technological advances the uninstall feature should have been in Android OS from day one?
This is not exactly like Google is the first company in the world developed an OS to just the lack of experience with what users would want. From what I have seen so far in world of Android is that, the first thing users would want to know how to root their handset to remove packages that they have no use for.
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Have you tried to work with iPhone(don't know about iPhone 4)? They build fortress around their system and even the apps you install cannot be uninstalled until you gailbrake it and use 3rd party installer to uninstall. And not talking about the "MONOPLY" they run with AT&T.
Long story short: I messed up with flashing a custom rom. But gladly, I got my phone fixed. Now, I wanna root again but I'm scared of rom flashing. I just wanna do the basic benefits of rooting like deleting stock aps and other things.
So what other 'rooting benefits' can I obtain without rom flashing? Or without having the risk of bricking my phone? The rooting process is kinda simple for me since I can use the z4root app.
Help? Anyone?
reyesryanmjaube said:
Long story short: I messed up with flashing a custom rom. But gladly, I got my phone fixed. Now, I wanna root again but I'm scared of rom flashing. I just wanna do the basic benefits of rooting like deleting stock aps and other things.
So what other 'rooting benefits' can I obtain without rom flashing? Or without having the risk of bricking my phone? The rooting process is kinda simple for me since I can use the z4root app.
Help? Anyone?
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You can obtain lot of goodies, like install applications not coming from the market, i guess, edit system files, remove non needed system applications, do a lot of things, be sure when you flash a rom to have a fully charged battery, its really hard to brick it.
mmmmm ????
depending what phone you have?? Rooting is safe enough, you can "unroot" just as easy! I definitely recommend z4root If you flash another ROM be sure to do lots of research next time!!! If you experience any problems, dont forget google can be your best friend! You can count on the fact you wont be the only one having the same problem
I have LG p500. Basically, I'm now scared of anything that involves CMD. I can install non market apps like the ones from here. So yeah, after Z4root. what now?
These phones are great for bricking, because a lot of times they're easy to fix. Try out themes, custom roms, custom kernels, it's all available to you now.
Can you guide me a bit? Please
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Oh! I read this thread in the news section. If i understand it correctly it will allow me to uninstall preset apps without cmd?
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I recently bought a Droid 2 Global and decided to get my feet wet with android development. To familiarize myself with the platform I wrote a simple utility for managing the bloat that came pre-installed on my phone. I thought there might be other people who would get some use out of this so I am posting it here. You will need to be rooted and have busybox installed to use this application. If you used z4root to root your phone then you should have everything you need.
The application is pretty simple. When you start it you are presented with a list of the Bloat that the application recognizes. Each item in the list has a checkbox that indicates whether it is enabled or not. To disable bloat you just uncheck the boxes next to what you don't want and then press the Apply button that appears at the bottom of the screen. You can save what you have disabled as a profile by pressing the options button and then choosing Save Profile. This is convenient because you are going to need to turn all of this bloat back on if you want to receive updates. If you have saved a profile and a new update becomes available you can launch Bloat Manager, press the options button, choose Enable All and then click Apply to get your phone ready for the update. After the update installs you can launch Bloat Manager, press the options button, choose Load Profile and then click Apply to turn the bloat back off.
The following applications can be toggled on or off using Bloat Manager:
Amazon MP3 /system/app/amazonmp3_1_8_14_signed_zipaligned_Signed_2010-09-09_15-23-51.apk
Blockbuster /system/app/Blockbuster.apk
City ID /system/app/CityID.apk
Friend Feed /system/app/FriendFeed.apk
Kindle /system/app/Kindle-1_0_2-OEM-SingleSign_Signed_2010-09-20_17-31-57.apk
My Net /system/app/Mynet.apk
My Verizon /system/app/MyVerizon.apk
News Widget /system/app/NewsWidget.apk
Performance Manager /system/app/PerformanceManager.apk
Skype /system/app/Skype_mobile.live.apk
Social Messaging /system/app/SocialMessaging.apk
Social Share /system/app/SocialShare.apk
VZNavigator /system/app/vnav_6.1.0.160_Droid2Global_rel_PROD_signed.apk
Visual Voice Mail /system/app/Vvm.apk
Weather Widget /system/app/WeatherWidget.apk
World Clock Widget /system/app/WorldClockWidget.apk
When you disable an application using Bloat Manager it simply renames it to .bak. When you re-enable an application it is renamed back to .apk.
Bloat Manager remounts your /system partition as writable in order to make changes to applications. I came up with this list based on what other people have had success with removing, but I have not personally turned off everything on the list. Changing things in your system partition is always dangerous so please be careful.
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Lol, rooting is so easy a baby could do it. OneClickRoot FTW.
reyesryanmjaube said:
Long story short: I messed up with flashing a custom rom. But gladly, I got my phone fixed. Now, I wanna root again but I'm scared of rom flashing.
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Thanks for sharing, yo.
Sent from my weak Wildfire, can't wait to trade in for HD2, also, not afraid to root.
So yeah aside from this feature, what else can I do without. Using cmd?
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Iinstead of asking and waiting for responses, search on the forum or read a sticky or something to expand your knowledge if you aren't comfortable with cmd you probably shouldn't be messing with root privileges. And bricked phones are dead phones, you can only recover from a brick by replacing hardware
xxmonsterx said:
Iinstead of asking and waiting for responses, search on the forum or read a sticky or something to expand your knowledge if you aren't comfortable with cmd you probably shouldn't be messing with root privileges. And bricked phones are dead phones, you can only recover from a brick by replacing hardware
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Wow. Since you put it that way.
But there's just too much. You cant blame me for being like this. I bricked my phone and they replaced the mother board (for free) and I am worried to do this again. I tried learning, I failed. And I don't like to be a wannabe developer of some sort, I just want to maximize my phone to it's potential and do what most people do.
You can say that I haven't exerted too much effort. In that case, maybe you're not the person I should me asking help from. Sorry, I was hurt.
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So yeah aside from this feature, what else can I do without. Using cmd?
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CMD (command shell in windows,mac or linux) is only used when you change ROMs or unlock the bootloader (the program that loads the ROM) apps and themes have nothing to do with it, you will read ADB a lot which is basically a way to access the whole device remotely, most of this you do on the handset itself. Root is a term the same as apples jailbreak, which gives you complete access to everything (most is protected bloatware (apps) that network providers don't want you to delete, there is also a percentage of protection stopping you messing up bits that bricking your phone! Bricking doesn't mean screen wont work, force closes or not booting...it means DEAD! If see something cool that you fancy doing, research a little first and if you don't know what it is or means...DONT DO IT! Its that simple root is what you make it, it opens a lot of options but there's no rush to get to the end, the you learn doing little bits, the quicker you'll be confident flashing ROMs and maybe even developing your own customisations
reyesryanmjaube said:
Wow. Since you put it that way.
But there's just too much. You cant blame me for being like this. I bricked my phone and they replaced the mother board (for free) and I am worried to do this again. I tried learning, I failed. And I don't like to be a wannabe developer of some sort, I just want to maximize my phone to it's potential and do what most people do.
You can say that I haven't exerted too much effort. In that case, maybe you're not the person I should me asking help from. Sorry, I was hurt.
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If you want to maximize your phone's full potential you have to deal with thoses things, e.g.: joy 845 comes with the stock rom, which is slow and contains many things not needed, thus you have to flash another rom, better, faster etc...so yeah you have to be a wannabe in the end if you want to do what you want.
Check out Youtube how-to vids on rooting. Some are invaluable, especially the longer ones. Most of these guys take you step by step in detail.
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Broke the glass on my Titan and getting a replacement today. Getting the software back on is no problem and I really don't have any data to worry about since it's up on Skydrive.
But, is there anyway to save my text messages and restore them and the groups I have set up?
What else am I missing?
Thanks,
Rick
there's an sms back up tool in the app development forum.
as far as groups, i don't think theres a way to save them.
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there's an sms back up tool in the app development forum.
as far as groups, i don't think theres a way to save them.
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I'll go and search for it...
I've seen posts where people unlock their phones or load a particular Rom and use Zune to backup their phones. I haven't seen a post that actually describes how to do that. Not sure it applies here but after a while I am going to try and unlock my phone and try a couple of Rom's.
you can use the zune back up tools, but, i don't think any gen2 devices really have full support with roms and imaging tools.
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you can use the zune back up tools, but, i don't think any gen2 devices really have full support with roms and imaging tools.
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I must admit, I was pretty good on the WM platform but on WP and Zune, I am a newbie. I don't see where Zune will do a backup and like you said, there isn't much support for it which I interpret into, back it up is good but restoring is a whole other issue? Correct?
Gotta ask too, the signature you use. Do you still race? I am in my 50's now and raced locally into my 30's so it's been a while! The the part of your user ID that states SVT, any chance it references Ford vehicles?
The Zune backup image is tied to the hardware. You can't backup one phone and restore to a different phone.
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The Zune backup image is tied to the hardware. You can't backup one phone and restore to a different phone.
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Real world, people's phones are going to break and be replaced and in my case, with the exact same phone and model. Tools should be available to make this an easy task to complete. Not as an afterthought but as part of the base system.
Why take a happy customer and just tick the guy off when you can't replace all the data in a few easy steps.
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Real world, people's phones are going to break and be replaced and in my case, with the exact same phone and model. Tools should be available to make this an easy task to complete. Not as an afterthought but as part of the base system.
Why take a happy customer and just tick the guy off when you can't replace all the data in a few easy steps.
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Tell me about it. Apple and Android had backup/restore ability since day 1 - all smartphones should! Now with iOS5 Apple allow users to do a full backup and restore via iCloud over wifi; no computer needed.
WP7 is ridiculously behind - it's like Microsoft thinks our data isn't important to us? Anyway you can vote for this feature here:
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...suggestions/suggestions/1549673-device-backup
There are ways to backup text messages, but it requires fully unlocking the device, which is not possible on the Titan yet.
If you have the tools to do it, replacing the touchscreen on your broken Titan with the one on the replacement would be the best way to keep your data.
I don't want to know how to root, I can find my answer for that on Google, however what I don't get is what it does...
I know it unlocks the device somehow, but can't I simply access everything in the system if I compile android from source and install it on the device?
I have downloaded the android source and I believe I can access every possible thing, so why is rooting needed?
If I install an app as a system app, won't it automatically have the permissions to do what I need it to do?
AFAIK rooting is for the people you'd call the end user/consumer or whatever.
If you have a new phone and want to install one of the many custom ROMs around, you simply need a rooted phone.
A custom ROM is in easy terms a custom made User Interface for the phone.
There is lot more complicated stuff going on under the hood, but in general you change the look and feel of you phone's UI.
The phone has to be rooted, because the manufacturers and net providers around pack a lot of useless crap called "bloatware" (like Samsung Shop and Samsung Play and Samsung Sing and Dance and Music and whatnot) on your phone, which often makes it slower than it can be without it.
But naturally the big corps don't want you to be able to get rid of that **** too easily, which is why you don't have access to the system folders as a normal user.
I guess in your case it's possible that you (if you compiled android from source and installed it on your device) so to say have an already rooted phone, since Android itself is rooted by default. Like I said, the manufacturers are the ones to unroot Android in order to dictate which apps their customers might or might not use.
But I'm a noob and am not sure how you would install Android on your phone if it's new (and unrooted by default?) if you haven't rooted it before?
meh, hope that helped a bit at least...
root- you would love to do it after reading this..
Root? what is it?
it is what i call full access to our phone, flash new roms, have dual boot (example- you can have to os like ics and JB), can access the evasive /data folder which holdes the apk/setups of apps installed from playstore and many other things..
If you are concerned about warranty you can unroot your phone and give in your phone for warranty. i have given my phone for warranty like this.
The most important thing i like about root is that i can fix my phone myself (if it is a software problem). any other question please ask, and i will answer it.
Thanks if helped!
I don't have the time for development anymore. I used to play with stuff like that years ago, but life has taken me away from it. I'd still like to be able to access everything on my phone and play with custom roms, and root lets me do that. The end consumer comment is a good one.
As for to root or not root, I tell most people who ask me to root for them what they use their phone for and explain what they would get out of rooting, and explain the risks involved. Seems that people who understand what rooting does are able to do it themselves, and the ones that ask you to do it for them usually decide against it after hearing "there is a tiny chance that your phone could get bricked" lol
If you just want to play emulators etc, how would you benefit from rooting?
IMO rooting is very useful if you want to keep touching system things in a stock rom, optimizing and debloating it, installing other people ROMs, etc... I believe that if you compile your own flavour of android and find no restriction doing whatever you want, you don't need to.
Android phone without root is nothing
McFex said:
AFAIK rooting is for the people you'd call the end user/consumer or whatever.
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McFex said:
But I'm a noob and am not sure how you would install Android on your phone if it's new (and unrooted by default?) if you haven't rooted it before?
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Some phones can just be flashed (for example via usb) which gives you full control, others can be cracked.
Greetings!
Just picked up a Pixel 6a, coming from an LG-V30. Have been out of the custom ROM game since switching from a Nexus5 to the LG which had minimal custom ROM options (stock was really quite good).
With the Nexus5 I was used to doing full backups (boot/system/data) with TWRP so I could try out a new ROM and reverting to my original ROM (completely set up with all my apps and data) with very little effort or down time.
I've spent some time reading the forum and it doesn't look like TWRP is really a thing for the Pixel 6a and I've found very little info about making a similar "full" backup.
Does such an option exist?
I'd like to test drive LineageOS (and maybe one or two others, I was a huge fan of CyanogenMod in the past), but having spent the last several days getting things "just right" in my stock/rooted setup I'm not thrilled at the idea of doing it again just to try something that might not work out.
Not really looking for "Google Backup" style options, I would like a solution I can do 100% local to try something out and then easily and quickly revert if needed.
Thanks!
TWRP style full backup isnt possible anymore, but you can use Swift backup to do a TiBu style app backup. Between Swift and Google a clean flash isnt horrible, but yeah.....I definitely also miss the full backup option.
Hi!
You can try this one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/tool-root-adb-partition-backup-restore-tool-for-windows.4512231/
I could backup my Pixel 6a completely.
Sorry, but there is no such option. I have P6 and also miss TWRP or Clockwork kind of recovery solution. There is nothing similar (as far as I know) like what we had on previous phones... Now I use Swift backup for apps backup, but that's not what you looking for.
Thanks for the replies, even if they aren't what I was hoping for...
I have switched to Swift as well, too many issues with TiBU restoring data and ending up with force close problems.
Jan61 - Looks interesting, but I'm not sure it's ready for general use.
Typical Google, one step forward but two steps back for users who want to do more than just buy a phone.
Oh well, guess I will live with stock for a while and let Lineage get more stable (maybe even official).
Can you use Swift Backup to backup app data without being rooted?
baldybill said:
Can you use Swift Backup to backup app data without being rooted?
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As far as I know no, unfortunately.
"swift" is closed source software being distributed by somebody you can't hold accountable for any kind of security problems in the software. It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously). I would HIGHLY recommend that you avoid this software.
Better backup software is *NEO Backup* (available on F-Droid), which is open source and quite auditable.
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"swift" is closed source software being distributed by somebody you can't hold accountable for any kind of security problems in the software. It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously). I would HIGHLY recommend that you avoid this software.
Better backup software is *NEO Backup* (available on F-Droid), which is open source and quite auditable.
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You mean like a Microsoft system
or an apple system
Both are closed source
I don't vouch for swift backup, I tried it and most of my restored apps crashed repeatedly / didn't backup correctly. I am still looking for a good backup android solution that works similar to windows system image backups.
I've used it since day one
I've never had a problem with it
I've been using a Google phone since day one
The only backup problem I ever had was tibu
That was the biggest piece of **** there was
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You mean like a Microsoft system
or an apple system
Both are closed source
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Both are hideously untrustworthy, but at least you can hold them accountable for data theft.
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It has the capability of connecting to the internet even if you deny network permission (on an android distribution that has such option, obviously).
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Curious, does that include being blocked by a a rooted system level firewall (AFWall+/iptables)?
I've never trusted Google's "toggles" to turn things off properly.
And FWIW - You (as an individual user) are as likely to hold crApple/Micro$oft accountable as you would the author of Swift for any data theft.
EDIT - That said, I will give NEO a look, options are always good to have available.
NEO requires root
Maybe this helps someone.
I do full backup with:
- Plug phone into PC and copy each folder down. Sometimes you have to go one-by-one, or a few folders at once, or Windows just freezes up. Once all copied, great.
- Use Super Backup app from Play Store to make a backup of everything. Calendar, Call Logs, Contacts, etc.
Once all done:
Use the phone's built-in migration solution IF same brand; IF not, use Google app to transfer/migrate. This will copy most of your app settings and whatnot to your new device. (I skip pictures, etc.) To copy over pictures, I just use Windows and the previously made backup to copy over the DCIM folder for example.
And that's it, works flawless for me.
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NEO requires root
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Non-issue, I rooted the phone the day I got it.
I won't own a phone that can't be rooted.
h8Aramex said:
Maybe this helps someone.
I do full backup with:
- Plug phone into PC and copy each folder down. Sometimes you have to go one-by-one, or a few folders at once, or Windows just freezes up. Once all copied, great.
- Use Super Backup app from Play Store to make a backup of everything. Calendar, Call Logs, Contacts, etc.
Once all done:
Use the phone's built-in migration solution IF same brand; IF not, use Google app to transfer/migrate. This will copy most of your app settings and whatnot to your new device. (I skip pictures, etc.) To copy over pictures, I just use Windows and the previously made backup to copy over the DCIM folder for example.
And that's it, works flawless for me.
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I do something similar for migration, but I'm not looking for a one time migration. I want to be able to bounce around on a couple custom ROMs for a day or two and then settle on the one I like. Used to be easy with TWRP backup to image the entire phone in a single step, not so much any more.
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Curious, does that include being blocked by a a rooted system level firewall (AFWall+/iptables)?
I've never trusted Google's "toggles" to turn things off properly.
And FWIW - You (as an individual user) are as likely to hold crApple/Micro$oft accountable as you would the author of Swift for any data theft.
EDIT - That said, I will give NEO a look, options are always good to have available.
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Root can bypass *everything*. No exception. That includes either switching to a different user to work around firewall rules, or even adjusting the rules to suit. Selinux? "setenforce 0".
As far as holding the fruit company or vaxx pushers accountable, keep in mind that its not just YOU needing to hold them accountable, but EVERYBODY ELSE harmed by their software. So yes, it will come to something VERY substantial.
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As far as holding the fruit company or vaxx pushers accountable, keep in mind that its not just YOU needing to hold them accountable, but EVERYBODY ELSE harmed by their software. So yes, it will come to something VERY substantial.
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If it's more than just individuals (ie. class action lawsuit), the only ones who get anything "substantial" are the lawyers.
You'll get a coupon for 10% off your next i-Thing or Windoze "upgrade", the lawyers will get the cash.
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If it's more than just individuals (ie. class action lawsuit), the only ones who get anything "substantial" are the lawyers.
You'll get a coupon for 10% off your next i-Thing or Windoze "upgrade", the lawyers will get the cash.
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You assume that the objective is to get a payday, when the objective is actually to punish them for bad behavior.