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Hi everyone
I'm new to the mobile phone scene but after a bit of research on deciding which phones to invest in I've noticed something; Chinese phones (not easily available in Western countries) have better specs and prices compared with the phones we have from brands like Samsung, Apple, HTC, Sony etc.
I'm talking about Vivo phones, Xiaomi etc. These phones routinely have 16mp cameras with OIS, large 2.0 (or even bigger) sensors, full HD or QHD 5 to 6" screens, 2 to 3GB of RAM, very large front facing cameras (5 to 8mp with flash, 1080P recording), Snapdragon 805 chips and batteries 3500mh+. All this in bodies thinner than 7mm (in some cases, the low5mm range). Many have aluminium chassis too.
Im wondering why we still see phones from Samsung, HTC, Apple and even the Nexus 6 (which is supposed to be absolutely premium in specs & quality) selling for such high prices but with specs lower than the Chinese phones. Surly Samsung & these other brands can release a phone, keep their prices the same but match or exceed the specs of these Chinese phones.
Why does the Galaxy S5 have a comparably low front facing camera, smaller battery and is thicker than these Chinese phones? Or the Nexus 6 - why is the FF camera smaller, why is the rear camera smaller, why does it have a smaller battery and why is it so much thicker? Surly these phones could match the specs of the Chinese phones.
Example: The upcoming VIVO PD1305 rumoured specs (below) should best (or at least match) the Nexus 6 in every respect. Thinner, same chipset, same amount of RAM, better front and rear cameras, stereo speakers, NFC, larger battery etc. Why couldn't Google have these specs in the Nexus 6 and sell it at the current price? The VIVO is expected to be cheaper by $100+. The specs are leaked; previous VIVO leaked specs matched very closely to the final product and there is strong evidence to support that this new VIVO phone's specs will match to the leaked specs as all the technology has been around for a short while now.
Basically what I'm trying to establish is why the Western market is so full of overpriced phones which can't complete on every front with cheaper Chinese phones? Will Samsung etc actually match or best these Chinese phones in terms of specs?
Specs:
6-inch IPS display with 2560×1440 resolution and 490ppi
5.68mm (0.22") thin
162g (5.71 ounces) weight
Snapdragon 805 processor with 3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot that goes up to 128GB
13MP rear camera with optical image stabilization (OIS) and dual-LED flash, 8MP front camera with 88-degree wide view lens
Dedicated ES9018 and OPA2604 audio chips
NFC
LTE Radio support (confirmed at some sources; still in debate as it is useless in China)
Wireless charging
Basic water resistance
Heart rate monitor and a fingerprint trace the source function
3500mAh battery
NOTE: Before anyone says it - that most Chinese phones don't support LTE networks - from some reading there is talk that the latest and upcoming Chinese manufacturers are including support for LTE networks as their market expands. So, they are covering ground fast and innovating far faster than any of the phones we see in our Western markets.
In my opinion the specs for the latest Chinese phones (especially for the VIVO listed) put the Nexus 6 and its rivals to shame. A bit sad.
The problem with these chinese phones is, that you hardly have any warranty.
[email protected] said:
The problem with these chinese phones is, that you hardly have any warranty.
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Who needs a warranty for a hundred dollar thing...?
Never thought about this question, but now i am really thinking that it's a great idea to buy Chinese phones!
i have had a friend that bought a phone, he was using it for two months until i told him that it is a Chinese device.......
Newyork! said:
Who needs a warranty for a hundred dollar thing...?
Never thought about this question, but now i am really thinking that it's a great idea to buy Chinese phones!
i have had a friend that bought a phone, he was using it for two months until i told him that it is a Chinese device.......
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Okay, maybe you are right, but you have hardly any support and if its an chinese phone who hardly anyone has, you can be sure you will not get any updates.
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Okay, maybe you are right, but you have hardly any support and if its an chinese phone who hardly anyone has, you can be sure you will not get any updates.
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When i buy a old Motorola phone i also don't have any support or updates....
For 100 dollars or lower it pays!
Newyork! said:
When i buy a old Motorola phone i also don't have any support or updates....
For 100 dollars or lower it pays!
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Ok you are right and if you are lucky and buy a chinese phone with an large userbase it pays twice because you get support by the community around that phone
We all know, the Chinese clone phone market is certainly not a secret. From the Galaxy S8 to the latest iPhone X, all major manufacturers sooner or later end up with a cheap counterpart. Today, nothing less than the Huawei Mate 10, the latest high-end Chinese giant. Lol, Today I will introduce the Meiigoo mate 10.
After presenting the Meiigoo note8, according to rumors, it seems that the Chinese manufacturer is preparing to launch his new work. The Meiigoo Mate10 as you can see by its very name will be a clone of the Huawei Mate 10. Given its special back cover of the latest Chinese high-end manufacturers, we are not surprised that another company “is lets inspire “by his style. The new smartphone would appropriate everything (or almost everything) the back of his illustrious colleague.
But what will be the specifications of the new device? From the sounds of hallways, it seems that this Meiigoo Mate10 will arrive with a display in 18: 9, in line with the rest of contemporary smartphones. Under the hood, we should find a MediaTek Helio P23 chipset, a solution already tested with the Mali-G71 MP2 GPUs. The SoC will likely be supported by 6GB of RAM and 128GB of internal memory. In addition, it seems that the newcomer will be able to offer up to 4 photo sensors. For the moment, the official specifications have not yet been published (or even a hypothetical launch date).
Here's all you need to know about OnePlus 6 launch and specifications
There have been several rumours about OnePlus 6‘s launch date, with the most recent one claiming it to be on May 21. It turns out, this date wasn’t far off, as the Chinese company has just confirmed that the OnePlus 6 will meet us officially on May 17 in China. This finally puts a rest to the conflicting release dates suggested by different rumours in the past couple of weeks.
Now that the launch date is confirmed, we can finally focus on the other aspects of the device. The OnePlus 6 is confirmed to feature a glass body with round corners, different from the all metal design adorned by the previous flagships. This should also pave way for Wireless Charging support, a first for a OnePlusflagship device. The glass body has been reportedly selected among 70 different prototypes and the final product will feature 5 layers of nanotech coating to give a better feel of depth on the rear glass as compared to competitors.
Coming to the specs, the OnePlus 6 is almost confirmed to feature a notch up front on its 6-inch AMOLED display. Other rumored specs of the device include Snapdragon 845, 3450mAh battery, 8GB RAM, 128GB / 256GB ROM options, and a 16+20MP rear dual cameras.
The OnePlus 6 release date in India was said to be May 18 according to a recent report from Money Control. With the official launch in China set for May 17, this date doesn’t seem to be far off. However, it is worth adding that OnePlus had officially reached out to us stating that this release date was false. So, we’ll have to wait for an official confirmation from the company for the India launch date of the OnePlus 6.
Note that the OnePlus 6’s China launch conference tickets will go on sale from April 27 at 10AM.
And now, an additional official info says there Will be an event in London the 16th to introduce the oneplus 6 : https://www.gizchina.com/2018/04/25/oneplus-6-global-launch-event-set-for-may-16/ and the official teaser https://twitter.com/oneplus/status/989048462758109185
I can't find anything which says whether or not the phone will have a micro sd card slot. Does anyone know either way?
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I can't find anything which says whether or not the phone will have a micro sd card slot. Does anyone know either way?
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It most likely will not.
Jhn
Oneplus 6 will be available to buy straight away after premiere 16 may?
Or we will have to wait few days?
How it was with for example 5t?
Full specs
The listing informs us that the phone will be powered by a 2.45GHz octa-core chipset, undoubtedly the Snapdragon 845, 6GB of RAM, and will have 64GB of native storage. That's certainly the most basic version of the phone, which will likely feature a souped-up version with 128GB of storage and 8GB of RAM. A 3,300mAh battery will keep all of the lights going strong hopefully for a full day of usage in the least.
Further down the line, the device is listed as having a large 6.28-inch Super AMOLED display with a resolution of 1080 by 2280 pixels which works out a 19:9 aspect ratio. Although it's not listed in the TENAA listing, we know for a fact that the device will also feature a display notch - it's just how phones roll these days.
In the rear, we find a dual camera combo consisting of 20 and 16MP snappers whereas the selfie camera is listed as being a 16MP one. In terms of size and dimensions, the OnePlus 6 will likely measure up at 155.7×75.35×7.75mm and tip the scales at 177gr. Android 8.1 will be running the show; we expected nothing less.
Cameras will be the same like in 5T? How do you think?
@Gramzz
According to rumors the 20MP and 16M are the same as on 5T but they will use a new sensor on 6 with the same MP.
Vogue India using the image of Aditi Rao Hydari captured by OnePlus 6.
3300 and a bigger display?
I'm worried about the battery size
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3300 and a bigger display?
I'm worried about the battery size
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also better SOC that should balance the bigger screen and battery. it would equal to 5t, in that case, it should be good enough not to forget Dash charge V2.
Will it have OIS for the cameras?
Alan
Just dropping these here...
Ah, a pretty invite.
Hi all..
I've just bought a Nokia 7Plus and love it's updates cycle among many other things.
But now I feel I should have waited for OP6 ( my earlier phone had broken in April and thought OP6 would come after June end).
Just one question-
How is the security updates cycle of OnePlus?
Do they make you wait like Honor and HTC or are they better?
Thanks
can someone comment on the camera?
what will it be comparable too?
i bought the p20 pro because of the camera specs very nice on paper, more than not it takes really nice photos.
i hope the oneplus 6 can rival it, if it does ill be purchasing and selling the p20 pro
Will there definitely be a 8Gb/256Gb version upon launch ?
According to 'leaked' German Amazon website: OnePlus 6 will have OIS, and Super Slow-mo, with SD845. Base modell price: 520€, 8/128 570€. There were no information about any 256GB modell. Maybe it's the Avangers special?
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According to 'leaked' German Amazon website: OnePlus 6 will have OIS, and Super Slow-mo, with SD845. Base modell price: 520€, 8/128 570€. There were no information about any 256GB modell. Maybe it's the Avangers special?
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Any info on the camera sensor?
I'm using a p20 pro
Wondering if its worth changing, main deciding factor is the camera, if camera is comparable or better I'd definitely swap my p20 pro
Who is thinking of upgrading to the MediaPad M6?
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_unveils_mediapad_m6_in_84_and_108_varieties-news-37711.php
The Kirin 980 and bigger battery are nice but the camera seems the same and the fingerprint sensor has been removed?!
Also still no dual SIM LTE version and the 8.4 is only available in Champagne Gold.
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9747&idPhone2=9092#diff-
Not enthused...
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Given the software upgrade support for the M5, I don't think I'll be upgrading... terrible to still be sat on 8.0 when 9.1 is available for their flagship phones. Why aren't they offering the same support for their tabs?
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Given the software upgrade support for the M5, I don't think I'll be upgrading... terrible to still be sat on 8.0 when 9.1 is available for their flagship phones. Why aren't they offering the same support for their tabs?
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Depends on your region ... most people outside the US already have 9.0 on their devices. At least in Germany we have 9.0.1 with security patch of June.
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Depends on your region ... most people outside the US already have 9.0 on their devices. At least in Germany we have 9.0.1 with security patch of June.
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UK mate. The lost and forgotten country! Suppose I'll just have to wait it out...
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UK mate. The lost and forgotten country! Suppose I'll just have to wait it out...
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I'm in the UK and I have 9.01
mightywhites29111971 said:
I'm in the UK and I have 9.01
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Oh... Cellular or WiFi? If Cellular, what network?
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Oh... Cellular or WiFi? If Cellular, what network?
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It's WiFi I am afraid.
Flavio said:
Who is thinking of upgrading to the MediaPad M6?
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While the M5 that I have is a fantastic device that I really like, I definitely will not be buying another MediaPad because of the lack of upgrades on the US marketed version.
I am happy with my M5 Pro (10.8), so I will not upgrade that, but I am thinking of replacing my Mate 10 with a M6 8.4 now that the CPU is on high end smartphone level. Only downside is that I cant have a big cover or it will not fit in my pocket any more.
P.S: I already have Android 9 on my Mate 10 and M5 Pro, so I have no reason to complain. Also I dont know a single important feature why I would need Android 9 and so far I have not seen any important features in Android 10 either. The important step was Android 8 to be able to set app permissions.
I have the M5 8.4 NA version and I have the M6 8.4 on order directly from China so obviously the Chinese version. Not enthused about the "gold' with white bezel but it isn't a deal breaker. Fingerprint reader is kinda a bummer but once again isn't huge. Honestly the Kirin 980 makes up for all of it. Scoring nearly double the 960 in Antutu is no joke and there are no other options for other high power tablets besides the Tab S4 and soon to be released Tab S5 and those will be like $600-$700. The 980 is somewhat comparable to the 855, a little behind but it obliterates every other CPU out there (besides the Exynos that will never make it to NA probably).
So yeah not too stoked about gold/white or no FP reader but there are no other options,z especially at this price point. For some reason Samsung and everyone else want a TON for a high end CPU in a tablet. $300US is very reasonable. I guess the one pro is symmetrical bezels, the large bottom bezel on the m5 8.4 triggers my OCD when in landscape.
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I have the M5 8.4 NA version and I have the M6 8.4 on order directly from China so obviously the Chinese version. Not enthused about the "gold' with white bezel but it isn't a deal breaker. Fingerprint reader is kinda a bummer but once again isn't huge. Honestly the Kirin 980 makes up for all of it. Scoring nearly double the 960 in Antutu is no joke and there are no other options for other high power tablets besides the Tab S4 and soon to be released Tab S5 and those will be like $600-$700. The 980 is somewhat comparable to the 855, a little behind but it obliterates every other CPU out there (besides the Exynos that will never make it to NA probably).
So yeah not too stoked about gold/white or no FP reader but there are no other options,z especially at this price point. For some reason Samsung and everyone else want a TON for a high end CPU in a tablet. $300US is very reasonable. I guess the one pro is symmetrical bezels, the large bottom bezel on the m5 8.4 triggers my OCD when in landscape.
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Where do you buy the M6 for $300? The cheapest on AliExpress is closer to $340 and the LTE 128GB version (the one I would have wanted) is $470.
But since it is not dual sim I have decided to get a Mate X, at least if the early reviews are not as disastrous as they were for the Galaxy Fold.
I made a quick wooden mockup yesterday and it is smaller than the Mate 20X when folded (so easier to hold) and unfolded the screen area is comparable to the M6. It is a lot of money but it's a hobby and hobbies cost money.
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I'm in the UK and I have 9.01
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Me too, on the 8" wifi version.
Is anyone concerned about the absence of international ROM on M6? I gather that Google apps like Play store are no go on the new comer. Seems not much success in installing the Google framework in it from Chinese user forums.
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Is anyone concerned about the absence of international ROM on M6? I gather that Google apps like Play store are no go on the new comer. Seems not much success in installing the Google framework in it from Chinese user forums.
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Hey @awtchan, does this effectively mean that all the google-related apps wont install, even if you pull the apks from other sources like apkpure? The MediapadM6 is basically the only decently powerful tablet these days that's priced well. And it has a headphone jack and outstanding speakers from what I've read.
There is no way I'd buy a Samsung S5e or S6 tablet.
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Hey @awtchan, does this effectively mean that all the google-related apps wont install, even if you pull the apks from other sources like apkpure? The MediapadM6 is basically the only decently powerful tablet these Zdays that's priced well. And it has a headphone jack and outstanding speakers from what I've read.
There is no way I'd buy a Samsung S5e or S6 tablet.
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From what I understood, users on Mainland China are struggling to try get Google Store up and running but all efforts have failed so far. The usual outcome is forced crashing Google Play. One can still install certain Google apps through alternative sources but they are limited. For example, they still can't use Facebook, Maps and Whatsapp.
The advice from users is to wait for international version to come out but no one knows when. However, I've made an enquiry with a seller on Aliexpress and I was told 'it's OK to use Google Store on it' (in Chinese). I'd give much grain of salt to that.
In short, it's a bit risky to buy now.
My wife needs a replacement for her Samsung tablet and I was heading toward getting another Huawei product. But not now. What other options are there besides another Samsung which she does not want.
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My wife needs a replacement for her Samsung tablet and I was heading toward getting another Huawei product. But not now. What other options are there besides another Samsung which she does not want.
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Sit and wait, thats what I'm doing. If you can't wait... then your choices are pretty limited for Android tablets. The M5 is decent, but old. Same for the Mi Pad 4.
Same here. Waiting for the Play Store to be added, then will buy it.
I would but Android is farrrr too restrictive for me I got my M5 as a replacement for a Windows laptop, it's a much nicer piece of hardware but the software let's it down so much.. maybe one day we will get Windows 10 on ARM..
Silly things spoil it for me, like the touchpad scrolling not being smooth, the complete lack of palm rejection there, how it's impossible to turn off the shift space shortcut.. Also usb 2.0 is ridiculous, I use my action camera and wanted this to watch the videos off, usb2.0 is far too slow (plus with windows I could transcode to hevc using hardware acceleration, no reason why this tablet can't do it just no software to do it)
I guess I'm not the only one around with an old good Mate 20x waiting patiently for this year's new phones revelation firmly determined to upgrade.
And I did some research. I don't want to replace the phone for something worse. I'm not into such a big screen anymore, I prefer something lighter and more ready for one hand manipulation.
There is not much available or coming to the higher class. According to reviews, Galaxy S20 has problems with the main camera, besides Exynos for non-US markets lags significantly behind Qualcomm and it is overpriced. Note is not substantially different. Oppo seems to finish this year's production, its Find X2 pro is currently the best choice but it still has software problems. There is an interesting new kid in the block - Vivo X50 pro plus, but Vivo is so slow regarding system upgrades that is wise to forget it. Otherwise there is another mighty product in the market - Xiaomi Mi 10 pro, its's really ugly according to today's standards and the global software is buggy.
Sure, there are bunch of Huawei phones from Mate 30 pro 5g to P40 pro+, they are still actual and reliable. And a new pair Mate 40 and 40 pro are coming. It's now confirmed and some of their characteristics are known already:
1. Both phones are coming wth curved screens, Mate 40 pro with a waterfall 1080p OLED 90Hz display in dimensions between 6.7 to 6.8 inches, which is just right for my new orientation. The displays of the Chinese manufacturer BOE have been chosen by Huawei for its next high-end smartphone, namely the Mate 40 . The most powerful version of the terminal, the Mate 40 Pro , will have three companies as official suppliers: Samsung Display, LG Display and the aforementioned BOE.
2. They might have 24 and 32MP selfie snappers and Mate 40 phone might have triple settings in the back camera with main 50MP RYBY, 16MP ultra-wide, 3x optical zoom lens respectively, while the Mate 40 Pro version comes with 4 sensors main and wide 50MP RYBY, 5X periscope and a ToF sensor.
3. The battery of phones will have the capacity of 4500-5000 mAh with the support of 66W fast charging technology, and 40W wireless charging.
4. As we already expected both phones come with EMUI 11 on the base of Android 11 (without GMS) and are rumoured to round late September/ Chinese language Nationwide day which falls on October 1, 2020.
5. There are more improvements already speculated as outstanding performance, 5G capabilities, system optimization, ID design, unique features like remote thermometer.
https://www.telefonino.net/notizie/huawei-mate-40-mate-40-pro-display/
https://www.igeekphone.com/huawei-mate-40-series-leaked/
https://sparrowsnews.com/2020/07/24/huawei-mate-40-pro-tempered-film/
https://gadgetfam.in/huawei-mate-40-frame-screen-details-leak-online/
https://www.saudi24news.com/2020/07...-the-upcoming-mate-40-series-of-phones-5.html
All these are good news but there are bad too. Both models supposed to be equipped with the new 5 millimeter SoC dubbed as Kirin 1000/1020. But we know that the producer of this chip TSMC stopped receiving orders on May 15 and all due Kirins must be taken over till September 15 according to the US trade ban. There are rumors that Huawei didn't assure enough chips and that deliverable quantity could only cover 80% of expected Mate production. Not to mention that Huawei might want to save some of these chips for next year's P50 models. Hence the Kirin supposed to be intended only for Chinese market, global Mate 40 phones might come with Mediatek Dimensity 1000+ SoC (Samsung's dual chips policy). What looks like a bad joke: Dimensity 1000+ is not a 5mm chip, it's not equivalent Kirin 1000/1020, it's even well below Snapdragon 865. Make no mistake: in 2021 5g becomes something that makes a difference between phones.
And there is more. The most important improvements of Android 11 seems to be 5g and electronic id documents support (together with car keys replacement). The end of China - US trade war is nowhere in horizon. On the contrary - the CCP aggressive attitude toward China neighbours is bound to bring even greater restrictions. Huawei is working hard to attract developers to its app store but more and more Chinese apps are blacklisted every day. There is not only GMS outage to consider (it could even be bypassed), the growing limitations of use Huawei products puts the new Huawei phones on the risky side.
The bummer is that Huawei is so highly above the rest in R&D investments that there is hardly any decent competition. We'll see what might bring Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro+ and Nokia 9.3 if they are real.
For me there is no upgrade path from 20X.
Maybe ROG Phone 3 if the cameras are great but other than that idk
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For me there is no upgrade path from 20X.
Maybe ROG Phone 3 if the cameras are great but other than that idk
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This is how I feel as well. If Huawei would of simply allowed launcher changes on my phone (china phone) and bootloader unlock so I could eventually move to lineageos it would be perfect. It's one of the only phones that didn't slow after a short time. I feel like once the security updates run out I'm hosed due to not being able to update it to another room.