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Chinese phones & their influence

Hi everyone
I'm new to the mobile phone scene but after a bit of research on deciding which phones to invest in I've noticed something; Chinese phones (not easily available in Western countries) have better specs and prices compared with the phones we have from brands like Samsung, Apple, HTC, Sony etc.
I'm talking about Vivo phones, Xiaomi etc. These phones routinely have 16mp cameras with OIS, large 2.0 (or even bigger) sensors, full HD or QHD 5 to 6" screens, 2 to 3GB of RAM, very large front facing cameras (5 to 8mp with flash, 1080P recording), Snapdragon 805 chips and batteries 3500mh+. All this in bodies thinner than 7mm (in some cases, the low5mm range). Many have aluminium chassis too.
Im wondering why we still see phones from Samsung, HTC, Apple and even the Nexus 6 (which is supposed to be absolutely premium in specs & quality) selling for such high prices but with specs lower than the Chinese phones. Surly Samsung & these other brands can release a phone, keep their prices the same but match or exceed the specs of these Chinese phones.
Why does the Galaxy S5 have a comparably low front facing camera, smaller battery and is thicker than these Chinese phones? Or the Nexus 6 - why is the FF camera smaller, why is the rear camera smaller, why does it have a smaller battery and why is it so much thicker? Surly these phones could match the specs of the Chinese phones.
Example: The upcoming VIVO PD1305 rumoured specs (below) should best (or at least match) the Nexus 6 in every respect. Thinner, same chipset, same amount of RAM, better front and rear cameras, stereo speakers, NFC, larger battery etc. Why couldn't Google have these specs in the Nexus 6 and sell it at the current price? The VIVO is expected to be cheaper by $100+. The specs are leaked; previous VIVO leaked specs matched very closely to the final product and there is strong evidence to support that this new VIVO phone's specs will match to the leaked specs as all the technology has been around for a short while now.
Basically what I'm trying to establish is why the Western market is so full of overpriced phones which can't complete on every front with cheaper Chinese phones? Will Samsung etc actually match or best these Chinese phones in terms of specs?
Specs:
6-inch IPS display with 2560×1440 resolution and 490ppi
5.68mm (0.22") thin
162g (5.71 ounces) weight
Snapdragon 805 processor with 3GB of RAM
32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot that goes up to 128GB
13MP rear camera with optical image stabilization (OIS) and dual-LED flash, 8MP front camera with 88-degree wide view lens
Dedicated ES9018 and OPA2604 audio chips
NFC
LTE Radio support (confirmed at some sources; still in debate as it is useless in China)
Wireless charging
Basic water resistance
Heart rate monitor and a fingerprint trace the source function
3500mAh battery
NOTE: Before anyone says it - that most Chinese phones don't support LTE networks - from some reading there is talk that the latest and upcoming Chinese manufacturers are including support for LTE networks as their market expands. So, they are covering ground fast and innovating far faster than any of the phones we see in our Western markets.
In my opinion the specs for the latest Chinese phones (especially for the VIVO listed) put the Nexus 6 and its rivals to shame. A bit sad.

The problem with these chinese phones is, that you hardly have any warranty.

[email protected] said:
The problem with these chinese phones is, that you hardly have any warranty.
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Who needs a warranty for a hundred dollar thing...?
Never thought about this question, but now i am really thinking that it's a great idea to buy Chinese phones!
i have had a friend that bought a phone, he was using it for two months until i told him that it is a Chinese device.......

Newyork! said:
Who needs a warranty for a hundred dollar thing...?
Never thought about this question, but now i am really thinking that it's a great idea to buy Chinese phones!
i have had a friend that bought a phone, he was using it for two months until i told him that it is a Chinese device.......
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Okay, maybe you are right, but you have hardly any support and if its an chinese phone who hardly anyone has, you can be sure you will not get any updates.

[email protected] said:
Okay, maybe you are right, but you have hardly any support and if its an chinese phone who hardly anyone has, you can be sure you will not get any updates.
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When i buy a old Motorola phone i also don't have any support or updates....
For 100 dollars or lower it pays!

Newyork! said:
When i buy a old Motorola phone i also don't have any support or updates....
For 100 dollars or lower it pays!
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Ok you are right and if you are lucky and buy a chinese phone with an large userbase it pays twice because you get support by the community around that phone

Mate 9 Pro released today in Scandinavia

If you as me is loving the design of the Mate 9 Porsche but not the price, there is good news. The Mate 9 Pro has been released today in Scandinavia at a event held in Copenhagen. The Mate 9 Pro is basically the Mate 9 Porsche without the Porsche branding, and at around half the price.
The Mate 9 Pro was released in China a few weeks ago, but it is great to see it released in Europe.
Avalible for preorder now, delivery starts on 20. of december.
Price 5.999 DKK (appx. 800 EUR) for 128 GB version. Preorders includes a pair of Huawei AM185 Active Noise Cancelling earphones.
Full specs: http://consumer.huawei.com/dk/support/products/technicalspecs/mate9pro-dk.htm

It's a nice phone but the screen size is to small for my tastes. Hopefully they will still release the same specs with a 5.9 inch form factor.
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Yep, 5.9 a must have!

EMF said:
If you as me is loving the design of the Mate 9 Porsche but not the price, there is good news. The Mate 9 Pro has been released today in Scandinavia at a event held in Copenhagen. The Mate 9 Pro is basically the Mate 9 Porsche without the Porsche branding, and at around half the price.
The Mate 9 Pro was released in China a few weeks ago, but it is great to see it released in Europe.
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At what price ?

Lodix said:
At what price ?
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5.999 DKK list price (about 800 EUR).
I have preordered with a 6 month contract a about 4.750 DKK / 640 EUR.
It is 128GB only + slot for SD card or a second sim (which I am going to use it for)

EMF said:
5.999 DKK list price (about 800 EUR).
I have preordered with a 6 month contract a about 4.750 DKK / 640 EUR.
It is 128GB only + slot for SD card or a second sim (which I am going to use it for)
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Please post sample photos when you receive it [emoji6]

I like a Mate series screen to be big ha ha
Quad HD would have been nice but full HD is good too in real life if you don`t use VR.

Any online shop taking preorders?

EMF said:
If you as me is loving the design of the Mate 9 Porsche but not the price, there is good news. The Mate 9 Pro has been released today in Scandinavia at a event held in Copenhagen. The Mate 9 Pro is basically the Mate 9 Porsche without the Porsche branding, and at around half the price.
The Mate 9 Pro was released in China a few weeks ago, but it is great to see it released in Europe.
Avalible for preorder now, delivery starts on 20. of december.
Price 5.999 DKK (appx. 800 EUR) for 128 GB version. Preorders includes a pair of Huawei AM185 Active Noise Cancelling earphones.
Full specs: http://consumer.huawei.com/dk/support/products/technicalspecs/mate9pro-dk.htm
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Please can you provide us the website to order this mobile ?

I second the motion. @EMF

medo18 said:
Please can you provide us the website to order this mobile ?
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Currently it is only available for pre-order. It will be delivered from december 20. It can be pre-ordered from most of the mobile service providers and a few tech-shops like http://www.elgiganten.dk/product/mo...T9PGY/huawei-mate-9-pro-smartphone-128-gb-gra and http://www.wupti.com/produkter/mobil,-gps-og-foto/mobiltelefoner/huawei/huawei-mate-9-pro-gold. I don't think they ship internationally thu, and the mobile service providers definitely dont.
The phone will probably be available from more shops after it becomes available for delivery.

It doesn't support SD card slot though. Neither does the Porsche edition apparently. They claim it's due to support for 3G/4G on the second SIM but from what I understand the regular Mate 9 does support both. Just wanted to throw that out there.
I'm currently strongly considering picking it up but I'm deeply concerned about dev support considering the Kirin SoC, multiple SKUs with varying specs and potentially few devs picking up the device due to price and availability.

The pro variant including porsche design scored less in performance and graphics compared to the full fledged Mate 9.
So choose what you want in your Mate 9. Performance or Looks.

Emerald Core said:
The pro variant including porsche design scored less in performance and graphics compared to the full fledged Mate 9.
So choose what you want in your Mate 9. Performance or Looks.
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That's a given. HIgher resolution display and the same chip in a bigger device usually gives a higher thermal headroom resulting in better benchmark scores but the difference should be negligible.

Trixanity said:
That's a given. HIgher resolution display and the same chip in a bigger device usually gives a higher thermal headroom resulting in better benchmark scores but the difference should be negligible.
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You know , I sold my Mate 9 for the only purpose of buying the Pro variant with 6gb/128 configuration.
Well until someone confirms that we can get a pro with Google play installed officially.

Emerald Core said:
You know , I sold my Mate 9 for the only purpose of buying the Pro variant with 6gb/128 configuration.
Well until someone confirms that we can get a pro with Google play installed officially.
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Well, as this thread indicates, the Pro can be bought with Google Play installed
(However, it will be released on December 20th, so that's a long way to go if you intend to install the Scandinavian ROM on what I assume is a Chinese variant?)
In fact, If I buy the Mate 9, I can only buy the Pro unless I buy from another EU country. The regular Mate 9 has not been launched in Scandinavia which disappointed many and they said at the time that they had no intentions of bringing it here. Fast forward three weeks and the Pro was announced to launch and the Pro will be the only Mate 9 variant in the Scandinavian market. So I'm guessing that the Pro might only be on the market in China and Scandinavia which makes me question the development for the device :/
It saddens me a bit that the Pro will actually be a step back in some regards compared to the regular variant: no SD card slot and slightly decreased SoC performance (as you mention), fewer color variants (only two colors for this market: gold and grey) - and some would say the fingerprint scanner moving to the front is a downgrade as well. I also saw some disappointment in the AMOLED display not being a 6" (or larger) one; the complaint being they wanted an actual big phone but I don't mind too much personally. I have a 5.2" device now and it already slips out of some of my pockets due to the size, so a 6" behemoth wouldn't help in that department
They probably couldn't source a decent AMOLED display at that size although I'm curious as to how well calibrated the display is. Huawei and other Chinese manufacturers haven't been known for their attention to that kind of detail. Samsung, the Pixel and the OnePlus 3(T) have well calibrated AMOLED displays but the rest of the market seems to neglect that.

Call me guilty, I put my Pixel XL for sale and bought a Mate 9 (second time after the gold M9) with my favorite color Space Grey (no more silly black borders).

Emerald Core said:
Call me guilty, I put my Pixel XL for sale and bought a Mate 9 (second time after the gold M9) with my favorite color Space Grey (no more silly black borders).
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Congratz! I knew you would come back...

Well, I bit the bullet and pre-ordered the Huawei Mate 9 Pro in Space Grey. So I'll be getting a nice Christmas present.
I just hope development for this device will pick up because it will certainly prolong the life of the device; however it does seem from reviews that it's a great device.
I'm coming from an LG G2 which has been somewhat of an underground success with a fantastic developer community around it, so I doubt any non-Samsung/Nexus/Pixel/OnePlus device can live up to that but hopefully it will be enough

I have the Porsche Design and placed alongside my mate 9 the screen size difference is negligible due to the on screen navigation buttons on the mate 9.

Honor 9 vs OnePlus 5

GSMArena side-by-side specifications comparison
I'm posting this thread from the perspective of someone who owns and loves an Honor 8, and is having to evaluate these 2 devices as the primary options for my next phone.
Key differences:
LTE bands: H9 (Europe: 1,3,5,7,8,20) vs OP5 (1,2,3,4,5,7,8,12,17,18,19,20,25,26,28,29,30,38,39,40,41,66)
Body size: H9 (147.3 x 70.9 x 7.5) vs OP5 (154.2 x 74.1 x 7.3)
Screen size: H9 (5.15) vs OP5 (5.5)
Screen type: H9 (IPS) vs OP5 (AMOLED)
Chipset: H9 (Kirin) vs OP5 (Snapdragon)
Cameras: Objective differences are irrelevant for cameras, we'll just have to wait on side-by-side comparison reviews, preliminarily it looks like these may have similar quality.
Storage: Internal (same), MicroSD: H9 (Yes) vs OP5 (No)
Infrared: H9 (Yes) vs OP5 (No)
Key factors:
- The Honor 8 was significantly less expensive than the OnePlus 3T; the Honor 9 is the same price as the OnePlus 5.
- The Honor 8 had a significantly better camera than the OP 3T; the Honor 9 is looking to be similar to the OP 5.
- Price: The Honor 8 was about 25-50% less expensive than the OP 3T; the Honor 9 is the same price as the OP 5.
- No MicroSD slot in the OP 5
It's unfortunate, because I really like my Honor 8, but I don't think the Honor 9 is a good purchase compared to the OnePlus 5. Pretty much all over the internet and social media I have told people to buy an Honor 8 (and instead of a OnePlus 3T) but I don't think I can carry over that recommendation to this generation of phones. If the Honor 9 launches in the US with appropriate LTE bands and at a price 25-30% lower than the OnePlus 5, it will be a close decision on what to buy. But at the current pricing, I think the OnePlus 5 is the clear choice between the two.
Thoughts? What are you all planning to do?

I used to have the Honor 8, but I had to get rid of it because I couldn't stand the software, even after Android 7 update. I was able to simply swipe past the Android Device Manager lost phone screen because it wasn't integrated right with EMUI. There were other issues like bluetooth delayed syncing. The software experience from stock Android is just so much better so I would recommend waiting for the OnePlus 5T in October.
I ended up buying the Note 5 Duos after using the G6, after deciding to not get the S8. All of these four phones (Note5, G6, Honor9, OP5) have the same price and should be considered. It's crazy because I found I tolerate the Samsung UI with Android 7 more than LG, and some of the features like changing to 720p and 1080p resolution are killer features for me.

Telperion said:
GSMArena side-by-side specifications comparison
I'm posting this thread from the perspective of someone who owns and loves an Honor 8, and is having to evaluate these 2 devices as the primary options for my next phone.
Key differences:
LTE bands: H9 (Europe: 1,3,5,7,8,20) vs OP5 (1,2,3,4,5,7,8,12,17,18,19,20,25,26,28,29,30,38,39,40,41,66)
Body size: H9 (147.3 x 70.9 x 7.5) vs OP5 (154.2 x 74.1 x 7.3)
Screen size: H9 (5.15) vs OP5 (5.5)
Screen type: H9 (IPS) vs OP5 (AMOLED)
Chipset: H9 (Kirin) vs OP5 (Snapdragon)
Cameras: Objective differences are irrelevant for cameras, we'll just have to wait on side-by-side comparison reviews, preliminarily it looks like these may have similar quality.
Storage: Internal (same), MicroSD: H9 (Yes) vs OP5 (No)
Infrared: H9 (Yes) vs OP5 (No)
Key factors:
- The Honor 8 was significantly less expensive than the OnePlus 3T; the Honor 9 is the same price as the OnePlus 5.
- The Honor 8 had a significantly better camera than the OP 3T; the Honor 9 is looking to be similar to the OP 5.
- Price: The Honor 8 was about 25-50% less expensive than the OP 3T; the Honor 9 is the same price as the OP 5.
- No MicroSD slot in the OP 5
It's unfortunate, because I really like my Honor 8, but I don't think the Honor 9 is a good purchase compared to the OnePlus 5. Pretty much all over the internet and social media I have told people to buy an Honor 8 (and instead of a OnePlus 3T) but I don't think I can carry over that recommendation to this generation of phones. If the Honor 9 launches in the US with appropriate LTE bands and at a price 25-30% lower than the OnePlus 5, it will be a close decision on what to buy. But at the current pricing, I think the OnePlus 5 is the clear choice between the two.
Thoughts? What are you all planning to do?
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for me... the microSD killed any chance of me getting a OnePlus 5. in some parts of the world (like where i live), mobile data isn't cheap and fast. doing things "on the cloud" just don't cut it. so, i'd love to have as much storage as possible. also, with camera now able to record at high resolution, it will take up space. i'm not the type that wanna copy out my videos every few days. i can be lazy and do it once every few weeks or so. so, again, storage means a lot to me and having microSD is wonderful.
but... i'm also a AMOLED fan. sadly, i think only time i've seen huawei/ honor with amoled is on the P9Plus. i do hope huawei will look into manufacturing AMOLED screens. having said that, between microSD and AMOLED. i would pick microSD anytime.
one consideration that probably weighs in as important is the size. 5.5" vs 5.2" is quite a big difference.

I've heard very good of OP5, despite I don't like they've increased the price so much. Previous versions were more tight. The starting price of 500€ is not good.
The Honor 9 looks good option, cheaper (449€) and including a sports band. About performance and camera still not sure...
OP5 has 6 GB of RAM and AMOLED display.
Honor 9 has micro SD card support, infrared and is cheaper.
Still considering Xiaomi Mi 6... Which also has infrared, 6 GB of RAM and it's the cheapest of all three.
Thoughts please?

mdabar said:
The Honor 9 looks good option, cheaper (449€) and including a sports band. About performance and camera still not sure...
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Looks like sports band action is over, there is no more banner on vmall.eu store.
In mean time you still could have 30 EUR cashback until 4 of August. Which brings price of phone to 400 EUR.

I had 3 oneplus 5's within 14 days and all had issues so sold the 3rd and got the honor 9 and couldn't be happier
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master_of_shadows said:
Looks like sports band action is over, there is no more banner on vmall.eu store.
In mean time you still could have 30 EUR cashback until 4 of August. Which brings price of phone to 400 EUR.
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It's weird, that may be the case for Germany... In Spanish shop you still have the band, nothing about the cashbacks.
Anyway cashback is not common practice in Spain.
I definitely think I'll take this phone.
What about battery? Are speakers good enough?
I've heard that screen is not enough bright. Can you confirm/deny?
Thanks guys for comments. ?

mdabar said:
It's weird, that may be the case for Germany... In Spanish shop you still have the band, nothing about the cashbacks.
Anyway cashback is not common practice in Spain.
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Oh, you right. Cashback is only for Germany. I thought it is EU wide action, sorry.
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DoobyDroid said:
I had 3 oneplus 5's within 14 days and all had issues so sold the 3rd and got the honor 9 and couldn't be happier
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What was the issues? And how exactly Honor 9 is better for you than OP5?

master_of_shadows said:
Oh, you right. Cashback is only for Germany. I thought it is EU wide action, sorry.
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What was the issues? And how exactly Honor 9 is better for you than OP5?
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Random request boots, heat issues, connectivity issues, judder scrolling,
Honor 9 for me better to hold very smooth looks nicer as well
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For long term development of community, OP5 is far far better than Honor 9...

jerryhou85 said:
For long term development of community, OP5 is far far better than Honor 9...
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Maybe for the short-term, but not necessarily for the longterm. OnePlus has been a real trend (very attractive) for the past years. They have suddenly increased a lot the price, so lot of people will see it a little bit less interesting.
However Honor is proving to be right on the mid-range price but with good results and feedback from people (from what I've heard/read). I'm quite recent to check about Honor (and probably will buy it this week) but first thing I saw in here is that you have a few ROMs for the Honor 8. It means that we will probably have even more for the Honor 9... and once you have CM or Lineage more will definitely come. :good:

jerryhou85 said:
For long term development of community, OP5 is far far better than Honor 9...
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I'd rather have a phone that works properly, development will grow with time let's not forget it's only just been released and didn't even need an update on release and still hasn't as it doesn't need atm everything working as it should 3 updates the op5 had from release and still problems, I lost faith in 1+ after 3 devices all had different issues, and support is lame,
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mdabar said:
Maybe for the short-term, but not necessarily for the longterm. OnePlus has been a real trend (very attractive) for the past years. They have suddenly increased a lot the price, so lot of people will see it a little bit less interesting.
However Honor is proving to be right on the mid-range price but with good results and feedback from people (from what I've heard/read). I'm quite recent to check about Honor (and probably will buy it this week) but first thing I saw in here is that you have a few ROMs for the Honor 8. It means that we will probably have even more for the Honor 9... and once you have CM or Lineage more will definitely come. :good:
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Well, that's case by case, though. Honor 8 certainly has received more love than its litter brother, Honor 6X. Honor 6X's Android N is not coming out soon due to no source yet from HUAWEI for EMUI5.
Huawei is releasing many devices a year, not sure what is their detailed policy...
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I'd rather have a phone that works properly, development will grow with time let's not forget it's only just been released and didn't even need an update on release and still hasn't as it doesn't need atm everything working as it should 3 updates the op5 had from release and still problems, I lost faith in 1+ after 3 devices all had different issues, and support is lame,
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I understand what you mean, especially after recent OP2 Android N update dropped, but at this moment, 1+ still has better developer community than HUAWEI Honor. But things may change in future, which is not clear yet.

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Well, that's case by case, though. Honor 8 certainly has received more love than its litter brother, Honor 6X. Honor 6X's Android N is not coming out soon due to no source yet from HUAWEI for EMUI5.
Huawei is releasing many devices a year, not sure what is their detailed policy...
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I understand what you mean, especially after recent OP2 Android N update dropped, but at this moment, 1+ still has better developer community than HUAWEI Honor. But things may change in future, which is not clear yet.
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In my experience many devices per year is not a good strategy... unless you have the muscle of Samsung for instance.
I look to Elephone... awful experiences always (different people), is there is always something that won't work after a short period. And there is no support at all. With every new device, the promise a lot: updates, custom ROMs,... nothing of that has ever happened. Devices are simply forgotten after the launching.
Xiaomi is somehow different, since they keep updating MIUI for their devices even after some long time. My Redmi Note 2 Prime is still getting updates (despite still using Android 5.0.2 as the core).
About OP I've heard mixed reactions. A friend is really happy with the OP5, not a single issue for the time being. For every model people tells me "When I got it, it wasn't working very fine, I was even thinking on selling or returning it, but after the official OTA update, it's a new phone and now it's working amazingly well"... but still they increased the price too much.
For the moment I've received and read very good feedback about Honor. So I'll take the bet! I'm travelling now, so will order just before arriving home next week

mdabar said:
In my experience many devices per year is not a good strategy... unless you have the muscle of Samsung for instance.
I look to Elephone... awful experiences always (different people), is there is always something that won't work after a short period. And there is no support at all. With every new device, the promise a lot: updates, custom ROMs,... nothing of that has ever happened. Devices are simply forgotten after the launching.
Xiaomi is somehow different, since they keep updating MIUI for their devices even after some long time. My Redmi Note 2 Prime is still getting updates (despite still using Android 5.0.2 as the core).
About OP I've heard mixed reactions. A friend is really happy with the OP5, not a single issue for the time being. For every model people tells me "When I got it, it wasn't working very fine, I was even thinking on selling or returning it, but after the official OTA update, it's a new phone and now it's working amazingly well"... but still they increased the price too much.
For the moment I've received and read very good feedback about Honor. So I'll take the bet! I'm travelling now, so will order just before arriving home next week
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Well, good luck for you on Honor. :highfive:
You will find EMUI is different from MIUI, but not a lot. And HUAWEI does have some unique apps to try on. :laugh:

Hahaha thanks @jerryhou85 I really hope to enjoy it

I don't buy phones, where the screen is build in upside-down. Waited so long for OP5 since I am a OPO user but I started a collection thread about bugs and decided to go with Honor
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Last Kirin Standing - An Upgrade Dillema

I guess I'm not the only one around with an old good Mate 20x waiting patiently for this year's new phones revelation firmly determined to upgrade.
And I did some research. I don't want to replace the phone for something worse. I'm not into such a big screen anymore, I prefer something lighter and more ready for one hand manipulation.
There is not much available or coming to the higher class. According to reviews, Galaxy S20 has problems with the main camera, besides Exynos for non-US markets lags significantly behind Qualcomm and it is overpriced. Note is not substantially different. Oppo seems to finish this year's production, its Find X2 pro is currently the best choice but it still has software problems. There is an interesting new kid in the block - Vivo X50 pro plus, but Vivo is so slow regarding system upgrades that is wise to forget it. Otherwise there is another mighty product in the market - Xiaomi Mi 10 pro, its's really ugly according to today's standards and the global software is buggy.
Sure, there are bunch of Huawei phones from Mate 30 pro 5g to P40 pro+, they are still actual and reliable. And a new pair Mate 40 and 40 pro are coming. It's now confirmed and some of their characteristics are known already:
1. Both phones are coming wth curved screens, Mate 40 pro with a waterfall 1080p OLED 90Hz display in dimensions between 6.7 to 6.8 inches, which is just right for my new orientation. The displays of the Chinese manufacturer BOE have been chosen by Huawei for its next high-end smartphone, namely the Mate 40 . The most powerful version of the terminal, the Mate 40 Pro , will have three companies as official suppliers: Samsung Display, LG Display and the aforementioned BOE.
2. They might have 24 and 32MP selfie snappers and Mate 40 phone might have triple settings in the back camera with main 50MP RYBY, 16MP ultra-wide, 3x optical zoom lens respectively, while the Mate 40 Pro version comes with 4 sensors main and wide 50MP RYBY, 5X periscope and a ToF sensor.
3. The battery of phones will have the capacity of 4500-5000 mAh with the support of 66W fast charging technology, and 40W wireless charging.
4. As we already expected both phones come with EMUI 11 on the base of Android 11 (without GMS) and are rumoured to round late September/ Chinese language Nationwide day which falls on October 1, 2020.
5. There are more improvements already speculated as outstanding performance, 5G capabilities, system optimization, ID design, unique features like remote thermometer.
https://www.telefonino.net/notizie/huawei-mate-40-mate-40-pro-display/
https://www.igeekphone.com/huawei-mate-40-series-leaked/
https://sparrowsnews.com/2020/07/24/huawei-mate-40-pro-tempered-film/
https://gadgetfam.in/huawei-mate-40-frame-screen-details-leak-online/
https://www.saudi24news.com/2020/07...-the-upcoming-mate-40-series-of-phones-5.html
All these are good news but there are bad too. Both models supposed to be equipped with the new 5 millimeter SoC dubbed as Kirin 1000/1020. But we know that the producer of this chip TSMC stopped receiving orders on May 15 and all due Kirins must be taken over till September 15 according to the US trade ban. There are rumors that Huawei didn't assure enough chips and that deliverable quantity could only cover 80% of expected Mate production. Not to mention that Huawei might want to save some of these chips for next year's P50 models. Hence the Kirin supposed to be intended only for Chinese market, global Mate 40 phones might come with Mediatek Dimensity 1000+ SoC (Samsung's dual chips policy). What looks like a bad joke: Dimensity 1000+ is not a 5mm chip, it's not equivalent Kirin 1000/1020, it's even well below Snapdragon 865. Make no mistake: in 2021 5g becomes something that makes a difference between phones.
And there is more. The most important improvements of Android 11 seems to be 5g and electronic id documents support (together with car keys replacement). The end of China - US trade war is nowhere in horizon. On the contrary - the CCP aggressive attitude toward China neighbours is bound to bring even greater restrictions. Huawei is working hard to attract developers to its app store but more and more Chinese apps are blacklisted every day. There is not only GMS outage to consider (it could even be bypassed), the growing limitations of use Huawei products puts the new Huawei phones on the risky side.
The bummer is that Huawei is so highly above the rest in R&D investments that there is hardly any decent competition. We'll see what might bring Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro+ and Nokia 9.3 if they are real.

For me there is no upgrade path from 20X.
Maybe ROG Phone 3 if the cameras are great but other than that idk

Derpling said:
For me there is no upgrade path from 20X.
Maybe ROG Phone 3 if the cameras are great but other than that idk
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This is how I feel as well. If Huawei would of simply allowed launcher changes on my phone (china phone) and bootloader unlock so I could eventually move to lineageos it would be perfect. It's one of the only phones that didn't slow after a short time. I feel like once the security updates run out I'm hosed due to not being able to update it to another room.

Question Are you interested in switching to a Google Pixel 7 Pro?

Are you willing to spend as much or a little more on the new Google Pixel 7 Pro, which seems to be a best of smartphone?
If you want to know more about the Google Pixel 7 serie, go to read HERE

If it uses the same modem as the 6 Pro, absolutely not.

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If it uses the same modem as the 6 Pro, absolutely not.
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It is rumored to use the Exynos 5300 modem. I have no idea if its gonna be any good.
Ref: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-7-3112003/

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If it uses the same modem as the 6 Pro, absolutely not.
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Stickmanx89 said:
It is rumored to use the Exynos 5300 modem. I have no idea if its gonna be any good.
Ref: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-7-3112003/
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It turns out that the Pixel 6 Pro uses the Shannon A5123 5G modem made by Samsung, the Shannon 5511 sub-6GHz FR1 transceiver box, and the Shannon 5710 FR2 mmWave transceiver. The latter is missing from the non-US versions of the Pixel 6 Pro.
Subject to confirmation, the Pixel 7 Pro is said to use Samsung's Exynos 5300 modem
We'll just have to wait and see what modem Google uses for the 7 series and the 7 Pro in particular

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If it uses the same modem as the 6 Pro, absolutely not.
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From what I've heard, it will have a new modem. That's why I nearly surely will get the 7 Pro.

I am interested, my op10 pro goes back to amazon and I'll use OP7 pro.

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I am interested, my op10 pro goes back to amazon and I'll use OP7 pro.
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That bad ?
I wonder how long before the other brand offer similarly fast charging

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That bad ?
I wonder how long before the other brand offer similarly fast charging
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There are no sources so no Kernel/Rom, lenses are blocked so no gcam, and there is no msm download tool anymore,
Soo OP 10 pro is trash.

I want to like the P7P, I want to get one, but the more I look at it, the more I lean towards jumping ship for Samsung or most likely Apple. It would be my first apple mobile device, but aside from the eSIM all seems well.
The P6 is dreaded, and it took them way too long to offer software fixes.
I'm worried about the modem and don't understand why they're not going with Qualcomm.
It doesn't look like we'll be getting much in terms of camera improvement.
The battery will most likely be similar to the P6.
To answer your question plainly, I don't think there is any price point that justifies the risk of another failed device. I plan on waiting for the reviews. If the modem ain't stellar, it will be an automatic no from me because of my remote usage. If the modem works as well as the competition, then I'll have a hard time choosing.

Not interested at this time, but will be watching hand's on reports and reviews....

After hearing that it still has A55 cores, it's a no for me. I have not decided if I'm sticking with my OnePlus 9 or switching back to iPhone (I was on the 12 Pro Max for the last two weeks but the OOS13 beta dropped on the OnePlus 9 today and I kind of like it so I'm back on the OnePlus for now) but most relevant to this thread, I'm *not* going back to Pixel.

I'm writing this from a pixel 2 XL. Was previously using a One Plus 9 Pro. Had to switch back after the hyped up Hasselblad camera stopped focusing. In hindsight, it was a mistake to go with the one plus brand. My old pixel 2 it's working much better, and I will certainly be getting the 7 Pro

Will depend on modem. The modem on Pixel 6 Pro is absolute dog**** worst I have used.
But I will be getting rid of the Pixel 6 Pro, this is by far the worst phone I have ever used.

I am very happy with the 6 pro, but I like the look of the new minimal curve on the 7 pro. if there is also a higher peak brightness i'll be tempted, depending on trade in deals.

I did not plan on buying the P7 Pro, but since it does bring in a couple serious improvements, I made my pre-order today
- finally we get decent 10 bit HDR recording
- Faceunlock (as far as the presentation went, it's only for unlocking the phone and will not work as a biometric in-app or to make a payment)
- finally a decent peak brightness to work in the sun (1500 nits)
- 20 vs 30 res zoom with new nifty features
- macro mode (missed that since my ancient Samsung Galaxy alpha days), guided frame also looks promising for making videos
- better modem (this one needs reviews of course to validate any improvements; the P6 Pro modem is terrible)
- Tensor 2 should bring, if we look at the node and Googles claims, a 20% improvement in efficiency = better battery life
- and last but not least, the deciding factor that made me get the P7 Pro... European Google store offer the Pixel Watch LTE, valued at 429 €, for free when pre-ordering the 899 € P7 Pro. If I couple that with Rakuten and a Google Store cashback of 10% (Google One, 2 TB), sell the watch and my old phone, I get a new shiny phone and will actually have more money than I started out with. That's great of course.

In July, I had planned to buy the Nothing Phone(1) which looked interesting, and which is despite its setbacks the 1st smartphone produced by Nothing. Then, for personal reasons, I didn't buy it, and I turned to the Pixel 7 series that was supposed to arrive.
Very tempted by the 7Pro in 256GB, I hesitated for a long time and changed my mind again.
Looking at the specs, even if Google has improved this 7 series, I'll try to wait for the 8 series, which should arrive with a new processor and finally a non-curved screen and maybe a significantly reduced size for the 8Pro 256GB.
I'm staying with my OP 7T 256GB which I'll soon upgrade to custom rom, as OnePlus is not in a hurry to upgrade it to OOS12.
I wish you good time for the owners Pixel 7 serie

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"and finally a non-curved screen"
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I'm not sure if that hope of yours will result in reality. Google has made it clear that they are all about design and how it looks, and less about function. Just listen to the people presenting Pixel products, look at the Pixel watch (little screen real estate (square smartwatches have great advantage) and continental sized bezels are okay, as long as it looks good): the aesthetic is of greater importance to Google than practicality.
There is simply nothing to indicate that Google would steer away from that path. They consider a curved display to look nice.
Ergo I highly doubt that Google would dramatically change that business strategy for the next iteration of this phone. People like you and me, who would enjoy an even panel more, are simply not in the targeting group of Googles marketing.

The Pixel 7 Pro is almost perfect but the Pixel 6 has the worst connectivity and reception of any phone I've used, even behind the Galaxy devices.
No reviews means it would be just great on paper.

it's time to retire my oneplus 7 pro and get pixel 7 pro

I really wish google would get into the charging game like the oneplus 10 plus... That thing charges from 20% to 80% in 10 minutes