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Android Pay... Is it working for you on your S7E?

Hi Guys
UK User here who just used Android Pay for the first time as a Nationwide customer.
Very surprised as it worked great on a rooted Custom Rom Which is rather weird.... Assuming its systemless root that allowed it.
Does yours work with or without root?

Basically, if you trip knox, you'll lose it. Otherwise, it works fine.

I tripped Knox installing recovery lol...

If you have root it won't work, tripping knox will only cause Samsung pay to not work
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Samsung Pay Android Pay.
Android Pay works on Root, Mine is rooted and i can add a card.
Just my bank does not support Android Pay
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dave7802 said:
Samsung Pay Android Pay.
Android Pay works on Root, Mine is rooted and i can add a card.
Just my bank does not support Android Pay
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Exactly same for me... But Nationwide does support it... Quite weird that it works on root.

I was just about to type in auto pilot, Give us your details and I'll give it a try. Yer you to bank lol. I was going to see if I could get a mates bank and give it a quick whirl.
When you go to input your bank details, does it not allow you to this stage.
I. E warns you about rooted device before being allowed to input card details?
Something to try. SuperSU has uninstalled method from within the app. Try removing root. Use android pay. Then re-root
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fkofilee said:
Exactly same for me... But Nationwide does support it... Quite weird that it works on root.
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I take it that by "it works" you meant adding a bank card but have tried making any payments yet?

Yep made a payment too COOP - £7.64

Android pay works rooted but samsung pay wont.
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Says alot about Samsung.
If google doesnt see it as a security risk, i dont see why Samsung has to check for Knox trip lol

I thought Android Pay wasn't supposed to work on rooted devices?

I read a lot about android pay not working on rooted devices too or custom roms. Good to know that it does. I have just opened a new account with another bank purely to use it as I'm currently with santander and they don't support it yet. Once I get my new card I will try ro set it up and if I encounter any issues will hide root and unhide once set up.
Would be good to see how other rooted users get on
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Would there be a point in rooting this?

I've been rooting phones since the days of the htc hero. Recently, I've noticed with Marshmallow and Nougat even more so, there is less reason to root other than small issues such as uninstalling unwanted system apps and installing apps such as titanium backup. However with rooting comes the issue of making it difficult to update the software when an official update comes through, other than going through a hurdle.
Do you guys think that now with Nougat, does the cons of rooting outweigh the pros of rooting?

I would like to root if only to theme the device (not a fan of Huawei's theme engine)

To be honest I don't think that's necessary
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Odinforce said:
To be honest I don't think that's necessary
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The biggest plus of root is the adblocker....

I only use root for titanium backup and for a adblocker. So yeah, that would be a reason for me. Also removing bloatware is nice.
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Root all my device's: Adaway, Titanium, Kernel Auditor, Roms, Mods, Solid Explorer, Build Prop, etc....

And don't forget VIPER4Android.
I'm not sure to be able to live without on my new Mate 9.

Every device should be pre-rooted by default. Especially expensive devices like mate 9.

Snake-Plissken said:
The biggest plus of root is the adblocker....
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I use adguard no root necessary

jlinn75 said:
I use adguard no root necessary
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Where can I find it.Do you have a link?

Snake-Plissken said:
Where can I find it.Do you have a link?
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not sure if it will let me just google adguard
https://adguard.com/en/welcome.html

I have rooted most of my devices but I will keep this one stock for a while. I just do need to root but I get that some people do.

I used to root all my phones up until about a year ago. I miss Titanium Backup but these days many apps use cloud backup for settings and Google makes a good job of restoring apps quickly in the background.
The only other main reason I rooted was ad blocking. But then I discovered Adguard. I paid for a lifetime subscription (really cheap actually) and it works pretty much flawlessly.
With Nougat (and Marshmallow) the system and functions are so much more efficient and features are now built in that used to require root. And now it's just too much hassle, along with a risk of bricking, voiding warranty, not getting updates and causing problems with some apps (like banking or VOD) So rooting for little gain is something I just don't bother with now.
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I can't even turn off data without root...
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apprentice said:
I used to root all my phones up until about a year ago. I miss Titanium Backup but these days many apps use cloud backup for settings and Google makes a good job of restoring apps quickly in the background.
The only other main reason I rooted was ad blocking. But then I discovered Adguard. I paid for a lifetime subscription (really cheap actually) and it works pretty much flawlessly.
With Nougat (and Marshmallow) the system and functions are so much more efficient and features are now built in that used to require root. And now it's just too much hassle, along with a risk of bricking, voiding warranty, not getting updates and causing problems with some apps (like banking or VOD) So rooting for little gain is something I just don't bother with now.
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I agree with you. I haven't rooted my phone for the first time, and amazingly haven't felt the need to do so. The Mate 9 is a great phone.
All the problems I'm reading about on this site come from people who have rooted their phones, (a potential Pandora's box) and it's not a great advert for Huawei.
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Tuffcheez said:
I agree with you. I haven't rooted my phone for the first time, and amazingly haven't felt the need to do so. The Mate 9 is a great phone.
All the problems I'm reading about on this site come from people who have rooted their phones, (a potential Pandora's box) and it's not a great advert for Huawei.
My internet banking apps and my subscription satellite streaming app will detect root and will not work as I found when I rooted my Mate 7 (so I got the Mate 9 and not rooting it)
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You can't use a rooted phone on ANY banking App. Nor any App that guarantees secure transactions.
Infact, of you do not use fingerprint (or any other secure mode on the Mate 9 i.e. Password etc), it will refuse to permit secure app transactions and send you to the desktop sites on your browser.

kolembo said:
You can't use a rooted phone on ANY banking App. Nor any App that guarantees secure transactions.
Infact, of you do not use fingerprint (or any other secure mode on the Mate 9 i.e. Password etc), it will refuse to permit secure app transactions and send you to the desktop sites on your browser.
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Works fine for me with root.

kolembo said:
You can't use a rooted phone on ANY banking App. Nor any App that guarantees secure transactions.
Infact, of you do not use fingerprint (or any other secure mode on the Mate 9 i.e. Password etc), it will refuse to permit secure app transactions and send you to the desktop sites on your browser.
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My previous phone, a Galaxy Note 3, is rooted and I run all my banking apps on it. And it doesn't have a fingerprint sensor or anything but a pattern password and I've had no issues.
Would like to root my Mate 9 just to get TiBU working but it's not looking too promising, based on the many problem reports.

No Need Root ?

i don't think i'm going to root my phone this time it has all the future and it freaking fast and blotware less , gonna give samsung apps a chance and use then for good . if you are going to root please give me some feedback on WHY ty.
i got myphone yesterday.

I will be rooting so I can use Viper4Android, AdAway and Titanium Backup

saifullah90 said:
if you are going to root please give me some feedback on WHY ty.
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IMHO, the main purpose for rooting is to boost the device security and privacy: to stop google, facebook et al. from spying on you.

I will root mine too, so i can use AFWall+, ADBlock, Tasker and Titanium Backup

saifullah90 said:
i don't think i'm going to root my phone this time it has all the future and it freaking fast and blotware less , gonna give samsung apps a chance and use then for good . if you are going to root please give me some feedback on WHY ty.
i got myphone yesterday.
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I've found that the best way to satisfy my rooting urges these days is to keep a stock Pixel handy and a Nexus 5x for rooting goodness. These other phones (be it Samsung, LG, HTC) I am now leaving completely stock and will enjoy them for what they are. Other than light debloating and an occasional launcher change, there just isn't the desire anymore to root these and ROM them up.
I'm on the T-Mobile JOD plan, and for those of you that also happen to be...it has come to light that T-Mobile doesn't have a way of tracking whether or not customers are using only 3 JOD's a year in their database. MEANING, you can theoretically jump into a new (or the same phone if you have issues w/ your current JOD phone) every 30 days if your heart desires. I jumped from the LG v20 to the dreaded iPhone 7plus within a 45 day timeframe while waiting on the s8+ release. I plan to hold onto it until the upcoming Note release, buttttttttt I guess it depends what else is released in the interim!

To think that you can stop Google or Facebook from spying on you with root is humorous, they don't care about you, unless you're in some terrorist group or something... There's a no-root adblocker for Samsung called Adhell, it works through modifying Knox, no VPNs, and works as well as any root adblocker. The S8 also has a built-in DAC that lets you modify sound settings like Viper

Annie the Eagle said:
I will be rooting so I can use Viper4Android, AdAway and Titanium Backup
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All I need is viper4android but I'm on tmobile and when I rooted my s7e it was never the same so with that being said my note 4 is rooted with all that I need for listening to loud tunes or podcasts for work... and I'll be keeping my s8+ unrooted because it's just too smooth and lag free for me at the moment hoping it doesn't crap out in a couple months....

The reason I was going to root was so I could force the phone into LTE only mode, but the 4G switcher app works and does that so now I don't really have a need for root!

Rooting mainly for full automation through tasker. Shell commands, GPS, etc needs root. Being able to do per apps settings for full screen, battery/performance, timeout and hw buttons.
I guess bixby button remapping would be another reason for root.
Except for this it looks like there's not that many more reasons to root anymore..:
Adhell and Adblock plugin for Sammy browser should take care of advertisemens and as sound settings and other functions in the ROM seems very good this year, so I'm not too bummed out if root doesn't happen.
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Always prefer XDA and Root ftw!

I pretty much stopped flashing different roms when I got my note 4, not that I had a huge choice since root came late. But when I did flash a ton, it was just a stock debloated and tweaked one.
But my number one reason for root is ad blocking. I absolutely hate ads. So I really only want to root my new s8+ so I can run ad block and install xposed to get the YouTube adblocker.

How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?

vibrantliker said:
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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Perhaps they dont have snapdragons....

vibrantliker said:
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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An exploit has to be found. One can have root with a locked bootloader obviously.
Of course an unlocked bootloader allows us to flash recoveries, custom roms and other goodies.
I do miss Titanium.
And centered clock and custom icons.
Package disabler pro helps a lot.
I had to kill bixby. Hitting that button when trying to turn down the volume and having that interrupt me was really annoying.
I'd like to have that button dedicated to something.
But for now, it's a dummy.

cpufrost said:
An exploit has to be found. One can have root with a locked bootloader obviously.
Of course an unlocked bootloader allows us to flash recoveries, custom roms and other goodies.
I do miss Titanium.
And centered clock and custom icons.
Package disabler pro helps a lot.
I had to kill bixby. Hitting that button when trying to turn down the volume and having that interrupt me was really annoying.
I'd like to have that button dedicated to something.
But for now, it's a dummy.
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try bixremap it launches bixby then a mili sec later opens google now , you just need to undisable bixby from package disabler first

vibrantliker said:
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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well once we got the chance i guess, but im skipping the root on s8 not necessary

saifullah90 said:
well once we got the chance i guess, but im skipping the root on s8 not necessary
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I HAVE to have Viper. Android should buy V4a and have it as a stock feature on all their phones.

Eddiemc said:
...for full automation through tasker. Shell commands, GPS, etc needs root....
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+1000
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I wont be rooting because Verizon. that's why

vibrantliker said:
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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S7e boot was locked but we all rooted anyway different root from the norm tho....

A few questions about rooting from a noobie.

I haven't rooted a phone since I had my Galaxy S2 so i'm a bit out of the loop.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to continue using banking apps (Halifax) and Google Pay after rooting?
Is it possible to return to completely stock when the time comes to sell the phone?
Can anyone recommend a custom rom to try first? I'm not looking for any specific features i'm just a bit bored and fancy tinkering with my phone
Thanks

Goooober said:
I haven't rooted a phone since I had my Galaxy S2 so i'm a bit out of the loop.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to continue using banking apps (Halifax) and Google Pay after rooting?
Is it possible to return to completely stock when the time comes to sell the phone?
Can anyone recommend a custom rom to try first? I'm not looking for any specific features i'm just a bit bored and fancy tinkering with my phone
Thanks
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Is it a OnePlus or something!! If its OnePlus you can completely go stock while selling (msm tool) helps you with that...some banking app works some dont according to yours app!

Goooober said:
I haven't rooted a phone since I had my Galaxy S2 so i'm a bit out of the loop.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to continue using banking apps (Halifax) and Google Pay after rooting?
Is it possible to return to completely stock when the time comes to sell the phone?
Can anyone recommend a custom rom to try first? I'm not looking for any specific features i'm just a bit bored and fancy tinkering with my phone
Thanks
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You will have to play around with Magisk and its modules. I use Magisk and its Hide ability and it works for my banking apps. For google pay you might need something like this

[email protected] said:
You will have to play around with Magisk and its modules. I use Magisk and its Hide ability and it works for my banking apps. For google pay you might need something like this
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No modules needed to get GPay working, just with Magisk Hide it'll work

Question Rooting now or later?

Could there be any downside to root my phone now (with Magisk) as if I were doing it later?
Is it possible that future versions of Magisk (or any other rooting method) will retain more original factory features (Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Widevien DRM etc...?
Or is this very unlikely?

At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U

s3axel said:
At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U
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What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?

nabil427 said:
What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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Yes

Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?

nabil427 said:
What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.

s3axel said:
Yes
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I wish someone could find a solution to bypass Knox.

dj24 said:
Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?
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I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.

Alibab said:
I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.
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They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds

Alibab said:
Is it possible that future versions of Magisk ...?
Or is this very unlikely?
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Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.

Alibab said:
I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.
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There have been ongoing issues and failures with the variable rate displays going back to the N20U, it could to be an expensive gamble.
There's zero track record for this model but expect more of the same...
Relatively little display failures with the N10+ fixed rate display even after over 2 years.
The resale value will be diminished and forget a trade-in. Rooting will destroy some of its core functionality, forever. Too many "I bricked my phone" threads here already... at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone. Better have deep pockets if you decide to root this Samsung...

dr.ketan said:
Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.
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dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.

blackhawk said:
at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone.
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I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.

s3axel said:
They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds
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It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.

The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.

DoKaTSuYa said:
The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.
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I can't see any reason why iphone/apple ecosystem would be better than Android.
I wish the Linux phone ecosystem was more mature.

Alibab said:
I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.
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Doesn't make much sense to buy this phone than if the native UI pukes you out.
The hardware is lacking; no SD card slot. A poorer form factor/layout than the N10+ as well and 1 mm thicker. No APTX HD and no 3.5 mm jack. Meh.
The most outrageous insult comes from Google Android itself; scoped storage is fully active. Nullifying some of the speed and efficiency; the old Intel/MS paradox reincarnates itself once again. With scoped storage come a slew of 3rd party app issues not create by Samsung at all.

Alibab said:
It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.
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Hmm, honestly speaking nobody is forcing anybody to unlock and root his device
From an IT security standpoint there is a reason for preventing modifications to a phone used by many for things like paying, storing sensitive data, having access to restricted data via specific apps, to corporate email accounts for BYOD etc etc
I am among the first to embrace tweaking options but in the end it all depends on what I use root access for: easy backup/restore of apps including user data, adblocking, UI +system tweaking, limiting of (for me) unnecessary system processes to optimize battery - all of this could easily be integrated by the manufacturers ....
In the end the good thing about Android is that you have a choice and maybe for rooting/tweaking Samsung isn't the best due to Knox and it's irreversibility....

Alibab said:
dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.
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Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.

dr.ketan said:
Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.
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What tests do you use to check hardware issues?