GPS data in S-health different than .gpx file - Samsung Gear S3

Yesterday I did a second run comparing my S3 frontier with my Polar m400. On the first run of about 13km it was a few hundred meters off.
Yesterday, on a 17km+ run it was more than a km off! Polar measured 17.65 km, S-health 16.46
So I exported the gpx file to get a better view of the tracked route but much to my surprise the data showed a route of 17.64 meters. Only 10 meters different and of course totally acceptable.
So I wonder; how can it be that S-health interprets the same data differently?
On a side note: the map S-health uses is totally unusable for a trailrunner

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Gear S3, S Health, not tracking location during run

Galaxy Samsung S7
Samsung Gear S3 watch
All updated, no outstanding software updates available.
I having the issue where 8 runs out of 10 S Health just stops tracking my distance.
Steps continue to count
Clock continues to count
The issue seems to happen when either I stop running - i.e. waiting to cross a road or when I pass under a bridge (bridge is probably 3 metres)... the watch seems to drop out. Only way is to stop and restart.
The interesting thing is if I stop and restart it works straight away - so that tells me I am within GPS signal.
The problem seems to be that if it drops out, it never can reconnect and start again. I have ran 7km, it has dropped out after 2km - yet for the rest of the other 5km - your telling me that I was never in GPS signal to pick up again ??
Can someone confirm that if I have my watch connected via Bluetooth, is the S Health app taking GPS from the watch itself or from the phone?
autonm said:
Galaxy Samsung S7
Samsung Gear S3 watch
All updated, no outstanding software updates available.
I having the issue where 8 runs out of 10 S Health just stops tracking my distance.
Steps continue to count
Clock continues to count
The issue seems to happen when either I stop running - i.e. waiting to cross a road or when I pass under a bridge (bridge is probably 3 metres)... the watch seems to drop out. Only way is to stop and restart.
The interesting thing is if I stop and restart it works straight away - so that tells me I am within GPS signal.
The problem seems to be that if it drops out, it never can reconnect and start again. I have ran 7km, it has dropped out after 2km - yet for the rest of the other 5km - your telling me that I was never in GPS signal to pick up again ??
Can someone confirm that if I have my watch connected via Bluetooth, is the S Health app taking GPS from the watch itself or from the phone?
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I somehow but dialed I response to your post, smh sorry about that.
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Thanks for that helpful insight !
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Thanks for that helpful insight !
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I have the same issue. I've tried: turning off auto pause, changing type from GPS only, GPS+wireless. I changed distance, adjusted guide, nothing has fixed it. Has been like this since Day 1 for me.
No issues for me. I'm normally tracking with S-Health on the watch and Strava on the phone as S-Health integration into Strava isn't very good.
I thought I read somewhere that when its paired it uses the phone GPS. Try it stand alone and see if it works.
just quick update - I ran 6km + on Sunday - following the same run / trail as I did previous when the S3 bombed out on me. This time I changed the following:
settings - connections - wifi - Off
settings - connections - location - on - methods GPS
It managed to track the entire 6km + without any issues or dropping out. I am running twice again this week and will let you know how it goes...
autonm said:
just quick update - I ran 6km + on Sunday - following the same run / trail as I did previous when the S3 bombed out on me. This time I changed the following:
settings - connections - wifi - Off
settings - connections - location - on - methods GPS
It managed to track the entire 6km + without any issues or dropping out. I am running twice again this week and will let you know how it goes...
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I'll try that tonight. I had WIFI on.
Wonder if that's the key.
ok so cancel that... had the same settings as Sunday and it failed again tonight after 0.9km
Restarted the tracking again ... failed after 0.2km ... retired again - failed after 0.5km
Something is seriously wrong with the S Health app for tracking..
Next i am going to try a factory restart and see if I can block all notifications from my phone - incase the alerts / pop ups are causing issue....
not good
I have similar issue.
Ok, so I tried the suggested idea of turning off wifi, leaving BT on and GPS only. No change.
I tried turning off wifi, turning off BT. Then using gps and it worked. HOWEVER, it was only 1 test. (Basically watch only)
More testing needed.
Same issue here. Like others, I've tried different combinations of settings (wifi on/off, gps only, auto-pause on/off, etc.). I haven't turned off the Bluetooth connection to the phone, because without notifications, what would be the point - I can buy a dedicated gps watch for less than $50.
However, here are a couple of things I have found that are consistent.
shutting down the gear app on the phone, and restarting it seems to immediately help "location"
doing a reset of the watch, and reconnecting to the phone/app seems to make the s-health record distance consistently and correctly for a few days. HOWEVER, after 3 or 4 days it will stop recording distance during a run. After that, no matter what I do, it is flaky. Sometimes it won't record distance at all, and other times it will record sporadically. After a reset, it will function correctly for 3 or 4 days, and then flake out again.
After reading several threads in several forums, it appears that this is common and Samsung has no response. I really want to like the Gear S3, but this is too much money to spend on a mediocre product.
Samsung Gear S3 works fine, The S-Health app also works fine. The only thing is the working concept is not clearly understood by some people and not well explained by Samsung itself.
If your Samsung Gear S3 has problem tracking your location or distance during cycling or walking activities, here how to solve that:
Condition 1: Your Gear S3 is paired to Phone vie Bluetooth.
In this situation your Gear S3 will rely the location information from your phone.
You do not have to change any setting in your gear S3 ( Bluetooth still on, Wireless on, Location mode GPS & wireless, autopause on)
Make sure your phone Location setting is set to "On" and at "highest accuracy" mode. It means enable all GPS, WiFi and wireless networks for location searching from your phone.
Make sure your phone is not in "Power Saving" mode, because it limits the location tracking ability from your phone.
In this way your gear S3 can track your location, map your distance, and generate the route correctly. Even autopause works correctly and precisely.
Any location tracking faulty in this situation is mostly your phone location tracking faulty.
(You can test your phone tracking problem by running with your phone and S-Health app installed on it separately from your Gear S3)
Condition 2: Your Gear S3 is disconnected from the phone (stand alone)
In case you are not sure your phone can track location correctly in certain condition or you want to save your phone battery, disconnect your Gear from the phone. (Bluetooth Off, Wirelss Off, Location On- GPS & wireless / GPS only, or just simply press flight mode)
In stand alone mode, your Gear S3 will rely on its own GPS.
In this way your gear S3 can track your location, map your distance, and generate the route correctly (without detailed maps). Even autopause works correctly and precisely. The cycling and walking data will be synced to your phone after it is connected again.
Before starting your activity, make sure Gear's GPS has found your location.
At the first time you are using "standalone" mode, Gear may need some time (around 1-3 minutes) for GPS to locate your position. The small location (balloon) icon is blinking when searching and turns solid when it has found your location. Once is done, next time you use standalone GPS mode, it will locate you quickly.
At the first time you are using "standalone" mode after switching from phone connected mode, it's a good practice to restart your watch especially if it takes too long to find your location at first.
I hope this helps. I have tested it consistently on my Gear S3 Frontier, and my phone is Samsung Galaxy S6.

Gps track right, total distance calculated wrong!

I went for a run today with my Gear S3, leaving my phone at home, so in standalone mode.
Everything was going fine until I stopped and looked at the stats.
I ran short of 10 km in 1 hour 8 min.
The map shows the kilometer markers.
Yet when you look at the distance run, it says 19.02 km!
How the hell does S Health calculate the run distance?
Surely it doesn't use the gps distance!
If you export the gpx file and view it using gps viewer, the distance is correct.
Screenshots from S Health and GPX viewer attached.
Hi Guys,
I am having kind of the same problem ....
I know the distances in the Campus where I run.... I ran with only the Gear S3 on my wrist, the phone left in my car.
While I was running, I knew I had ran about 500 m, but when I looked at the clock, it only sees ~200 m... I got agravated and stopped running ....
If I export to GPX, the distance is correct, the location tracking / waypoints are ~kind off correct ...
So, the bottom line:
- it should have tracked about 500m, only tracked ~200m
- waypoints are a bit off, it shows me running through some buildings
- for the first half of my run, it shows I had 0 km/h ...
I thought maybe I should try running with only GPS, and disable Wireless location?
Unfortunately I can't post images since I am a new user
I've been using it for walks and hikes. It is paired with my Blackberry Priv (an android phone). But the values change when I walk the same route. Since it announces the One Mile point, it is different almost each time I walk the loop. Sometimes it is pretty much the same as other times and others it is definitely off by a block or so.
But I've also been tracking the same walks/hikes/bike rides with other devices and frankly, each shows a different total distance and it can vary by a quarter mile or so. The devices or methods are the Gear S3 Frontier, Nogago Tracks in my phone and a recently acquired Garmin Edge 1000 (bike computer used for walking and hiking, too). Since I don't count on any of them for a survey result, it is okay. But if you are counting on these to help you time your marathon, well, good luck. What is really interesting is that most of them show the exact same track when exported and viewed in Garmin's Mapsource or Basecamp.
Guys, thanks for the replies, but I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
I know the Gear 3 is tracking accurately enough for me, I don't really care about a few hundred meters off result for a 10 km run.
It's when you hit the stop button at the end, S Health suddenly makes a weird calculation for the total distance travelled.
The km markers on the map go nicely up to 10 km, yet it calculates a total distance of 19 km.
evilpharmacist said:
Guys, thanks for the replies, but I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
I know the Gear 3 is tracking accurately enough for me, I don't really care about a few hundred meters off result for a 10 km run.
It's when you hit the stop button at the end, S Health suddenly makes a weird calculation for the total distance travelled.
The km markers on the map go nicely up to 10 km, yet it calculates a total distance of 19 km.
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Hey Evil,
Sorry for bullying into your post. It's great your watch tracks distances accurate while running.
My problem occurs during the run, not tracking accurately while running.
At the end of my run it does not change the "final result" in any way, so my problem is a bit different, I will open a different post for mine.
Thanks,
Cosmin
No problem, cosmincebuc!
All sorts of issues with this watch it seems.

Best app for running

Which one is your favorite and best app when you go for a run?
I don't use Huawei's own app any more because you can't export data.
I used endomondo when I hade a moto 360, but the app is not optimised for huawei watch 2 and android wear 2.0.
Now I use Ghostracer and Strava.
Ghostracer here too, for both running and cycling.
Coming from a Garmin Forerunner watch, it was somewhat difficult first but now as I'm used to the app and synchronizing the data I wouldn't use anything else.
I use the Huawei app because it's interface is cleaner than Google fits. However, with the Huawei watch app on my phone, it syncs to Google fit just fine, so my data is all in one place. Endomondo was the best but as previously said, it's not optimized for aw 2.0. i only use Google fit directly for weight training.
I have also noticed that for some training apps (Strava, Ghostracer and Huawei app) it is possible to start and stop the activity with the bottom button. Thats nice! It could be that you need to have that app as a shortcut on that button for it to work.
PeterBormioli said:
Ghostracer here too, for both running and cycling.
Coming from a Garmin Forerunner watch, it was somewhat difficult first but now as I'm used to the app and synchronizing the data I wouldn't use anything else.
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I also have a Garmin forerunner. I went for a cross country skiing race for 10 hour and I don't think Huawei Watch 2 would last that long.
I have not tested how long the battery last for training (runnning). I have tested to run for an hour with music, GPS and 4G. About 30 % left then. But with the 4G and music disabled, it should last much longer I hope. For several hours I hope.
I highly doubt the hw2 can go longer than 3-4 hours with everything running.
Devolution1x said:
I highly doubt the hw2 can go longer than 3-4 hours with everything running.
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Some time a have to test a long run or walk with just gps and heart rate (dont know if external strap or the internal drains less battery) active and se how long it lasts. No music and 4G.
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Some time a have to test a long run or walk with just gps and heart rate (dont know if external strap or the internal drains less battery) active and se how long it lasts. No music and 4G.
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With no music and 4g, I believe it can last maybe 8 to 10 hours. I've used only HR and GPS for an hour and the drain was only less than 10 percent. Granted I also use battery setting such as always on but no tilt.
Devolution1x said:
With no music and 4g, I believe it can last maybe 8 to 10 hours. I've used only HR and GPS for an hour and the drain was only less than 10 percent. Granted I also use battery setting such as always on but no tilt.
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Running for 1h today with no 4G, but google play music offline and connected bluetooth headphones. Battery went from 90% to 58%. So about 30 % down in this case.
Does ghostracer display heart rate for you on the HW2? For me it just says zero all the time. It works with other apps.
Edit: Never mind, just found out you have to enable the sensors in the watch app settings.
powerballad said:
Does ghostracer display heart rate for you on the HW2? For me it just says zero all the time. It works with other apps.
Edit: Never mind, just found out you have to enable the sensors in the watch app settings.
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If you in Ghost racer swype to the right, you have "sensors" and there you can turn on and off "Heart Rate" and other sensors. If you have an external Heart rate sensor strap you will se it here also.
If your have your phone on you (unlikely while running, but might while walking), Google Fit will get your GPS location from your phone instead of watch, saving battery.
Devolution1x said:
I use the Huawei app because it's interface is cleaner than Google fits. However, with the Huawei watch app on my phone, it syncs to Google fit just fine, so my data is all in one place. Endomondo was the best but as previously said, it's not optimized for aw 2.0. i only use Google fit directly for weight training.
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I use the Huawei watch 1 and i ned to sync my data to strava or garmin app so that i can get vitality points with my insurance. How do i make it so that the Huawei app sync data with strava, ghostrunner or garmin so that i can get points from my insurance? I dont want to have to buy a garmin or a fitbit watch.
khakhi said:
I use the Huawei watch 1 and i ned to sync my data to strava or garmin app so that i can get vitality points with my insurance. How do i make it so that the Huawei app sync data with strava, ghostrunner or garmin so that i can get points from my insurance? I dont want to have to buy a garmin or a fitbit watch.
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I believe you can just download the strava app directly in the play store on the watch and link it to the app on your phone.
Related question...
Devolution1x said:
I use the Huawei app because it's interface is cleaner than Google fits. However, with the Huawei watch app on my phone, it syncs to Google fit just fine, so my data is all in one place. Endomondo was the best but as previously said, it's not optimized for aw 2.0. i only use Google fit directly for weight training.
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I'm just returned to running after knee injury. Very excited to use the Huawei Watch 2 and intrigued by the VO2Max feature. So I'm using the Huawei watch app which seems to work great. The question i have is about display while running. Next to distance is PACE. While jogging 10:30-11:00 minutes miles, the PACE is displaying anything from 3'43" to 5'45". I can't make sense of it. Its not pace per 1/4 mile or 1/2 mile... And i can't find anywhere to adjust or read about this. Appreciate any feedback!
Same question. But a little different condition.
I just got my Huawei watch 2 yesterday, and it's a BT only version.
And I just realize that it has 3 built in app for running: Huawei's workout, Google fit workout, and runtastic. Can someone explain which one is better between them?
I Found huawei app to be the best from this 3 apps. but strangely it lacks cloud backup so it's big no for me. Your data will be lost if the app would be erased and it WILL happen.
Try to reach huawei support with that matter several time but i only got laconic answers. Huawei - great hardware VERY bad software.
I still use ghostracer standalone all the time because i can connect my bluetooth heart rate monitor with it so i get more accurate readings. On android wear 7.11 i burned around 30 percent an hour with heart rate belt connected, no optical heart rate, barometer on, gps, wifi and lte all on. So i can receive urgent calls during my runs (also to lazy to turn wifi off while not needed).
I was happy with this kind of battery consumption. It was always the same, so i could count on it and i knew i needed to charge prior to my run or not needed.
However since the oreo update came things changed. Suddenly my watch died half way during my runs, and also the runs after that. Now i seem to burn 50 or 60 percent an hour!
I tried deleting and reinstalling the ghostracer wear app, but is still burns way more battery then before. Normal usage seems normal, also on lte. I also noticed that at least once a day i see something downloading related to google TTS.
Today i will go for another run, this time with barometer and other sensors off, lte and wifi.off to see what happens. So far im very dissapointed in the oreo update. I can barely run for an hour or so before getting into trouble, while im training for a 10 miler. Only great thing is the sleep app which is very nice.
Any other ghostracer users experience the same thing?
Does anybody know the units for pacing on Huawei's preinstalled GPS running app? I can't find documentation and it always reads out like 2'50" to 3'30" or so. Even the 3rd party GPS applications seem vague and inaccurate compared to a few Garmin watched I have (as in add 1 to 3 minutes to the pace). Any good ideas or alternative apps?
It's Miles or kilometers depends on your choice.
Don't know if i understood your question but "pace" means how much time in minutes it takes you to run 1Km (or mile)
2'30 means it takes you 2 minutes and 30 seconds to make 1Km (And it also means that you are very fast...)
Sorry if it's obvious and not what you meant.
BTW update on the health app: there is a beta version of the Huawei health app which is far better then the previous one.
Its far more reliable in terms of sync with watch (actually very good as far as i tested it) and finally eliminates the need of the Huawei wear app which is great(!)
You can erase the Huawei wear app after installing the new health app.
Looks like Huawei still care about their app. Shame its still dosent support cloud sync and exporting data. (Export data to google fit is poor and tottaly not aqurate)
Im running like 7km 3 times a week with the watch and
I think it's the best app for running out there (minus the deal breaker cloud sync issue) I used all the big running apps and the health app is my go to running app. Shows the right information in the right time, looks clean and informative and the analysis (vo2max, stride lengh etc) are great.

Huawei Watch 2 - GPS accuracy

Hello. I recently started to ride a bike with Strava and track monitoring via watch. I have noticed poor GPS accuracy that makes strava recorded data unusable (max speed >100 kmph, twice more distance due to lost fix...).
Does anyone else observed same issues?
LEO-DLXX (LTE with no sim inserted)
WearOS 1.0
OREO
Hi,
I did not observed this issue on my watch (LTE version). I would event say it is much more acccruate than my phone. But I notice that is not the same in every zone: in some cities, it is OK ans data are usuable, and in others, the GPS is more efficient and I can see which side of the road I was.
Here are some examples of my HWatch2 GPS:
https://ibb.co/iBmcDc
https://ibb.co/fpNHDc
Although I have only used GMaps for navigation, I will say it does give very accurate notifications which has helped me a lot in turning the right turns around 99% of the time compared to relying on only voice navigation on my phone.
Same happens here!
Hi dreamnewbie, Exactly the same thing happens to me, first I thought it was because of the coat, maybe a problem of low signal or the fact of running in the city, some interference by the constructions. after several tests I get to run with short sleeves in open spaces and it's exactly the same, I record the session with the phone and it always measures better, HW2 makes like "peaks" in the route indicating that I got to run at about 40 km/h? !! I do not know if the GPS antenna is very weak or a fault after the upgrade to Wear OS. I love the Huawei propieraty app to run but it is impossible to export workouts to cloud-based services. Regards!
LEO-BX9 (no LTE)
WearOS 1.1
Nexus 6P OREO 8.1.0
Do you guys have a third party watch band? I recently changed the original watch band with a metal one. I noticed the metal interfere with the watches sensors like the compass. Also bluetooth range decreased... i guess i could influence gps reception as well. Now i have the original band installed and no problems. I have the watch for almost a year now and used it a lot for running. Never had any accuracy problems, distance and track was spot on....
I also encountered the same problem. .
What is the version of Strava you are using? Is there any solution?
If there is no way, is there any other application that can be used on the watch and synced to Strava?
ud4x said:
I also encountered the same problem. .
What is the version of Strava you are using? Is there any solution?
If there is no way, is there any other application that can be used on the watch and synced to Strava?
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I found out that the issue was interference with wireless bike counter - Kross KRC 319WC. After dismounting counter HW2 track recording is OK.

Question Galaxy Watch 4 Classic stopped displaying the map and route...

The watch stopped displaying the map at the end of the workout!! Reset did not help!
I start the workout, the green GPS icon flashes on top, at the end of the workout it no longer displays the route and map !! At the same time, the Google Maps application finds the location in 2-3 seconds !!
I turned on the workout in Google Fit, the map shows and draws the route !! So the problem is in the Samsung Health app on the watch ...
Same here in UK. Compass finds location, maps find location. Samsung health used to work fine, now unable to track a walked route... Disappointing
Icurnow said:
Same here in UK. Compass finds location, maps find location. Samsung health used to work fine, now unable to track a walked route... Disappointing
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Please send a bug report to Samsung support...
Barmenchik said:
The watch stopped displaying the map at the end of the workout!! Reset did not help!
I start the workout, the green GPS icon flashes on top, at the end of the workout it no longer displays the route and map !! At the same time, the Google Maps application finds the location in 2-3 seconds !!
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The problem is with the internal gps connection of the watch
The Google Fit app uses the phone's GPS
Few people have noticed this problem and Samsung has cleverly avoided fixing it
admiral_v said:
The problem is with the internal gps connection of the watch
The Google Fit app uses the phone's GPS
Few people have noticed this problem and Samsung has cleverly avoided fixing it
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How do you know the phone was present at all?
Weird, but worked for me>>>
removed original straps from watch
cleaned watch dial
powered off and heated up with hair dryer
powered on in outdoor
and voila!! GPS fixed. i have tracked cycling, running working fine now!
also i have changed straps locations (means, swapped upper and bottom straps)
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