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I’m looking at the galaxy s6 leaks and the phone sounds amazing. Take into account that I still have a droid charge and you see how excited I am to get this phone. Before I plunk down money I have to wait for it to be released. Between now and then, I need a few answers to some questions:
1. Root access – Will it be hard to root Android 5.0? I’m asking because I have all my apps and data backed up with titanium backup and want to be able to restore them to the new phone.
2. Flash – Ever since flash was officially dropped from the android realm, people have been supplying hacked versions that work with 4.X. Will this continue? I’m asking because the site I use to watch out of market football games still uses flash.
3. Keeping unlimited data – I have the unlimited data plan with Verizon and do not want to lose it. I was told by someone to buy the phone at full retail and I’d be able to keep it. I then read online about buying the phone through Best Buy and being able to backdoor keep my UDP. Someone then told me that Verizon could at any time switch me to tiered data if I do the BB backdoor thing. I’ve heard rumors that the phone will cost nearly a grand and I’m not to keen on paying that much, if I don’t have to.
What do y'all think?
Mike
beavermjr said:
I’m looking at the galaxy s6 leaks and the phone sounds amazing. Take into account that I still have a droid charge and you see how excited I am to get this phone. Before I plunk down money I have to wait for it to be released. Between now and then, I need a few answers to some questions:
1. Root access – Will it be hard to root Android 5.0?
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There's root for android 5 but you can never know what Samsung will actually do to the S6, what my head says that it will probably be a way to root but that will trigger Knox....
Enjoy, Good Luck!
Btw I hate Verizon because they don't allow to unlock HTC bootloader.
Newyork! said:
There's root for android 5 but you can never know what Samsung will actually do to the S6, what my head says that it will probably be a way to root but that will trigger Knox....
Enjoy, Good Luck!
Btw I hate Verizon because they don't allow to unlock HTC bootloader.
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What is Knox?
If I'm not initially able to root, how do I back up my apps and data to transfer them to the new phone?
beavermjr said:
What is Knox?
If I'm not initially able to root, how do I back up my apps and data to transfer them to the new phone?
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Knox is a security measure that Samsung has put into their devices, it will also show up that your device was rooted (even if you'll reflash your stock rom)
You can back up your apps with google accounts but unfortunately you will lose your app data (like levels...)
data like pictures etc.. can be saved on a sd card, pc or there's some apps that will do that without root...
-It's almost midnight I might be slow!
So how do I get around Knox saying the phone is rooted. I'm asking because I once had to unroot my current phone to take it in for warranty replacement due to screen burn in. The joys of watching online video on an unlimited data plan
Also how do I transfer app data to my new phone without a program like titanium backup that requires root?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
beavermjr said:
What is Knox?
If I'm not initially able to root, how do I back up my apps and data to transfer them to the new phone?
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You can use Helium to backup your old phone. It does not require root, and you can backup all your apps and data.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
Does knox mean that the phone can't be rooted? I have been using open garden tether with unlimited data plan and want to continue once I get S6.
beavermjr said:
Does knox mean that the phone can't be rooted? I have been using open garden tether with unlimited data plan and want to continue once I get S6.
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No, you can root just fine.
In order to root Lollipop you must be able to unlock the bootloader. I don't think any of us know whether the S6 will have an unlockable bootloader or not. It may vary by carrier (here in the U.S.).
Assuming you can root the S6, be sure to make a nandroid backup before restore your apps and app data. The internals of 5.0 are VERY different than earlier versions, and restoring apps and data might (or might not) cause issues. In any case, be prepared to start over.
Reinstalling your apps from the Play Store is probably a safer approach.
hey
Any leakd photo of this phone yet?
How long will it be after the phone comes out till we know if it can be rooted?
beavermjr said:
How long will it be after the phone comes out till we know if it can be rooted?
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How long will it be after you're born until you can learn xda etiquette and not to ask unknowable questions?
(unless you're a vocational philosopher in which case I retract any snark in the above q)
You can root a phone without tripping knox, you just cant install a Custom recovery
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How long will it be after the phone comes out till we know if it can be rooted?
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That's all only related with one thing - exploits. So, it all depends on how many and how good(bad) of exploits on S6 firmware. No one could tell you now because the product doesn't exist yet. Since the security on Android become stronger, you can imagine that the time required to root the phone without tap knox will just take a longer time(Sony Z3/Z3c took them almost 4 months last time to root without void warranty) and it also depends by the sales of S6 and the community size on XDA, famous phone will get support first because of more developers.
You can use Dolphin broswer, it runs with owned ver of flash player, it built-in flash support so you don't need flash installed on system level.
As I'm sure tons of you guys know, 4.4.2 is absolute crap. Battery life, lag, GPS issues. There is barely anything good about the update. I am sick and tired of having to charge my phone almost three times a day just because the update (that Samsung claimed in my tech support chat, is "well up to date".) that isn't going to get fixed ever again.
One of these horrible features is Samsung KNOX. Just to get more customers from businesses, Samsung KNOX is ultra secure, down to the very bootloader. Basically turning into Motorola with the no-downgrade thing. Basically making it so not even older custom ROMs will flash. (I haven't flashed a ROM yet. And I'll get to why.)
Now, on HTC devices I have used, If I hated the new update, all I needed to do was Flash an older stock rom, even use an RUU if I needed to. But this update is just plain awful. And thanks to KNOX, there is no way back.
So, I have a few questions to ask.
4.3 DID come with Samsung Knox, along with the Bootloader I believe, which in my eyes, is a very narrow tunnel, but it's there.
You can uninstall Samsung KNOX through the app (If you don't have the app in the drawer, there is a way to set it up anyways. Which I did. and I pressed uninstall KNOX, but the apps are still present on the phone.)
Does this mean the security is off? Or that the 0x0/0x1 flag is off?
Is there a way to root, flash a custom 4.3 ROM, and ODIN back to Stock 4.3?
Is there even a way to do anything development-like on the device without flipping that trigger?
Or can all of this be solved by fixing settings on 4.4.2, not needing to do this anyways?
(if anyone just wants to see how bad the battery is, I can upload Battery Manager screenshots and Gsam Shots as well.)
Thanks to anyone who can provide me with some tips and maybe solutions.
nxhappy said:
As I'm sure tons of you guys know, 4.4.2 is absolute crap. Battery life, lag, GPS issues. There is barely anything good about the update. I am sick and tired of having to charge my phone almost three times a day just because the update (that Samsung claimed in my tech support chat, is "well up to date".) that isn't going to get fixed ever again.
One of these horrible features is Samsung KNOX. Just to get more customers from businesses, Samsung KNOX is ultra secure, down to the very bootloader. Basically turning into Motorola with the no-downgrade thing. Basically making it so not even older custom ROMs will flash. (I haven't flashed a ROM yet. And I'll get to why.)
Now, on HTC devices I have used, If I hated the new update, all I needed to do was Flash an older stock rom, even use an RUU if I needed to. But this update is just plain awful. And thanks to KNOX, there is no way back.
So, I have a few questions to ask.
4.3 DID come with Samsung Knox, along with the Bootloader I believe, which in my eyes, is a very narrow tunnel, but it's there.
You can uninstall Samsung KNOX through the app (If you don't have the app in the drawer, there is a way to set it up anyways. Which I did. and I pressed uninstall KNOX, but the apps are still present on the phone.)
Does this mean the security is off? Or that the 0x0/0x1 flag is off?
Is there a way to root, flash a custom 4.3 ROM, and ODIN back to Stock 4.3?
Is there even a way to do anything development-like on the device without flipping that trigger?
Or can all of this be solved by fixing settings on 4.4.2, not needing to do this anyways?
(if anyone just wants to see how bad the battery is, I can upload Battery Manager screenshots and Gsam Shots as well.)
Thanks to anyone who can provide me with some tips and maybe solutions.
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Once your on 4.4.2 you cannot downgrade. It's not even an option
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I heard it was strictly because of the KNOX bootloader. Which led me to believe that if I somehow rooted without tripping the 0x1 trigger, removed knox, and then flashed 4.3 through odin, that I'd be able to get back to a system version that doesn't suck.
nxhappy said:
I heard it was strictly because of the KNOX bootloader. Which led me to believe that if I somehow rooted without tripping the 0x1 trigger, removed knox, and then flashed 4.3 through odin, that I'd be able to get back to a system version that doesn't suck.
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Basically yes. I wouldn't even try to downgrade it. You will brick it
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Alright. But is there any way I can root without tripping the 0x1? Or a way to just save battery on 4.4.2? I barely get 7 hours anymore when I got at least 18 on 4.3.
ShapesBlue said:
Basically yes. I wouldn't even try to downgrade it. You will brick it
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This probably won't work either, but rooting, flashing a 4.3 CUSTOM ROM w/ touchwiz? Is that possible at all?
nxhappy said:
This probably won't work either, but rooting, flashing a 4.3 CUSTOM ROM w/ touchwiz? Is that possible at all?
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If your on 4.4.2 then no. If your on 4.3 yes. Only flash roms intended for the correct bootloader
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Do you know of any way to keep android system and Android OS from eating up my battery?
nxhappy said:
Do you know of any way to keep android system and Android OS from eating up my battery?
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Apps are always the biggest culprit of battery issues. If you don't already have it installed I high recommend GSAM battery monitor. That will give you an idea of what is killing the battery the quickest
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I've had it for awhile and its Kernel (Android OS)
nxhappy said:
I've had it for awhile and its Kernel (Android OS)
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If you have the app and the root companion for it then it should be pretty clear about which apps are in question
I also highly recommend an app called Wakelock detector (root)
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I can't root unless I wanna tip the trigger. Which I don't wanna do. And I only have 2 apps, even tried safe mode, so its definitely the update itself.
nxhappy said:
I can't root unless I wanna tip the trigger. Which I don't wanna do. And I only have 2 apps, even tried safe mode, so its definitely the update itself.
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If your on NE1 you can root but as far as I've read towelroot is the only option for rooting. As long as the kernel is before a certain date. I can't remember off hand what the date is however. It's hard remembering a log of this as I'm not locked down like most are
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Okay. I really like this phone, I just can't handle the terrible battery life this update has given me. It's almost as bad as what I got on my HTC One M7 when I ran sense 7.. And that had BAD battery life. Wish I could flash and root without having to deal with the trigger.
I just tried safe mode and my battery drained the same amount.
nxhappy said:
Okay. I really like this phone, I just can't handle the terrible battery life this update has given me. It's almost as bad as what I got on my HTC One M7 when I ran sense 7.. And that had BAD battery life. Wish I could flash and root without having to deal with the trigger.
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I still use my S3 so I understand. I only use it for games and on wifi but it's still a champ
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I use mine as a phone since I had a droid ultra that broke, one problem could be the battery is brand new, and I heard new batteries need to be cycled 4 times at least. Or the update is just crap. And Samsung and Verizon doesn't care, so I'm as stuck as I can be as of now, I'm guessing.
nxhappy said:
I use mine as a phone since I had a droid ultra that broke, one problem could be the battery is brand new, and I heard new batteries need to be cycled 4 times at least. Or the update is just crap. And Samsung and Verizon doesn't care, so I'm as stuck as I can be as of now, I'm guessing.
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Oh i agree. Samsung and VZW came together and truly ruined the S3. Then again they ruined more than a few phones
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Yeah. Definitely. Would switch to T-Mobile but their coverage here is absolute crap. Do you know of any good extended batteries or long lasting ones between 2200 and 3000 miliamp hours?
I've never used one with this one so unfortunately I wouldn't be of much help with that. And yea TMobile coverage here is horrible as well.
I know a lot if people used the zero lemon battery which is a lot bigger
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Here's how. You'll need to pull the apk's for gear manager, gear plugin, and Samsung accessory service. Install all 3.
When I initially did this, the app would launch but couldn't connect to the phone. This morning Samsung pushed an update to gear manager (somehow even though it still shows as not compatible with the 5x), and suddenly it all works.
Enjoy.
Where to get all those ? From G-play ?
baudy2 said:
Where to get all those ? From G-play ?
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I think now you can get all three from g play. I used an apk downloader to get them.
Just a note, you'll need another compatible phone that isn't encrypted to use to update the firmware of your gear s2. Without the firmware update, you regularly have to reset and repair the watch to the phone regularly. So first connect the watch to a different phone, update the firmware, then reset it and connect it to the 5x. Kind of a pain, but I do have it working 100% on my 5x now.
I do have it working 100% on my 5x now.
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Can you see the paid apps in the gear apps store?
Harmon Rabb said:
I think now you can get all three from g play. I used an apk downloader to get them.
Just a note, you'll need another compatible phone that isn't encrypted to use to update the firmware of your gear s2. Without the firmware update, you regularly have to reset and repair the watch to the phone regularly. So first connect the watch to a different phone, update the firmware, then reset it and connect it to the 5x. Kind of a pain, but I do have it working 100% on my 5x now.
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what version is the latest firmware for the watch?
I have a nexus 6, and am getting the 3g watch from t mobile next week, and want to make sure it works completely
my wife has a lg g4, so I can use that phone to upgrade the firmware using that phone if my nexus wont do it
thanks
I expect to pick up a Note 5 later tonight and will likely root it tomorrow.
From what I've read, rooting the device will trip the knox counter and stop both android and samsung pay from working. But can anyone explain why android and samsung pay no longer work? Is that the only thing that will not work? Will NFC and wireless charging still work?
I really don't care if I trip knox and the android/samsung pays don't work. But i just want to ensure nothing us is disabled after you root.
Thanks
PT
ptmuldoon said:
I expect to pick up a Note 5 later tonight and will likely root it tomorrow.
From what I've read, rooting the device will trip the knox counter and stop both android and samsung pay from working. But can anyone explain why android and samsung pay no longer work? Is that the only thing that will not work? Will NFC and wireless charging still work?
I really don't care if I trip knox and the android/samsung pays don't work. But i just want to ensure nothing us is disabled after you root.
Thanks
PT
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Wireless charging still works great for me. Roooted shortly after getting my note 5.
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Thanks. So wireless charging still works.
But to help a 'newbie' better understand, can someone possibly explain what exactly causes the Android and Samsung Pay features to no longer work? Is that related to tripping the knox counter or something else? I think i read the samsung pay uses both nfc and magnetic technology in its use? And andriod pay uses only nfc?
Its good that the wireless charging still works. But I really don't know if the wireless charging is done via nfc or some other format, etc. Just trying to understand better what the cause is why samsung and android pay no longer work under root and there are other items possibly being affected.
It's about the secure element being breached and possible changed by root.
I've just gotten myself onto a Galaxy S7 for my carrier with Nougat installed. I happen to like the looks of this version and have no consideration to update to Android Oreo (8.0). But this looks to be a forced update. I have merely avoided this by just not connecting to wifi, however this makes me unable to use the samsung cloud without using mobile data to backup pictures and content. The only way I could perform disabling the update was through rooting the device, which I did not like having to do at all. It only brought complications to the devices run patterns etc.
As well I have also searched everywhere to find a way to disable the update service without rooting, even as far as Package Disabler Pro however it seems the developer was forced by samsung to disable this capability during the Note 7 Era. Even trying to use an Older Version of PDP failed because of the License Verification.
So I have come here to ask, Has anyone at all ever found a way to stop the update service from forcibly downloading the update when connected to wifi and forcing the device to update whatsoever, without Rooting the Device. Your knowledge and advice would be highly appreciated
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I've just gotten myself onto a Galaxy S7 for my carrier with Nougat installed. I happen to like the looks of this version and have no consideration to update to Android Oreo (8.0). But this looks to be a forced update. I have merely avoided this by just not connecting to wifi, however this makes me unable to use the samsung cloud without using mobile data to backup pictures and content. The only way I could perform disabling the update was through rooting the device, which I did not like having to do at all. It only brought complications to the devices run patterns etc.
As well I have also searched everywhere to find a way to disable the update service without rooting, even as far as Package Disabler Pro however it seems the developer was forced by samsung to disable this capability during the Note 7 Era. Even trying to use an Older Version of PDP failed because of the License Verification.
So I have come here to ask, Has anyone at all ever found a way to stop the update service from forcibly downloading the update when connected to wifi and forcing the device to update whatsoever, without Rooting the Device. Your knowledge and advice would be highly appreciated
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Wow this is disappointing. I'm in the same position. I unintentionally tapped update vs, wait and now it asks me several times a day.
I didn't have any of these issues with my S5. Since when does samsung force their customers to update? Seems to me samsung still owns my phone after I paid for it. If I wanted this crap, I would have bought an apple. i can't believe everyone is ok with this? Not even a data toggle switch anymore. I had to use ADB to put this back. My S5 was able to multi-task and my S7 can't. Further my 5 can get on wifi faster. None of this should be possible.
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Wow this is disappointing. I'm in the same position. I unintentionally tapped update vs, wait and now it asks me several times a day.
I didn't have any of these issues with my S5. Since when does samsung force their customers to update? Seems to me samsung still owns my phone after I paid for it. If I wanted this crap, I would have bought an apple. i can't believe everyone is ok with this? Not even a data toggle switch anymore. I had to use ADB to put this back. My S5 was able to multi-task and my S7 can't. Further my 5 can get on wifi faster. None of this should be possible.
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I guess theres no solution to this then other than rooting the device sadly. I was forced to root it and I used the root method that requires no having to tweak the kernel so its been going pretty good for now. But yes indeed even my Galaxy S4 is faster than my s7 now in some cases. But the only thing I can see the issue with is now I hate having to restart my S7 when im using it because it takes like a minute or two to fully load up everything. Feels like im using a PC and not a phone
any luck ?