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what is a rom and why might i need a new one?

hey,
of course i know what a rom is. somehow. but why would i need a new one?
[i found everything what i was asking myself by using the forum-search.
but no answer to this essential question. shouldn´t that be somewhere
in the wiki?]
thx for beeing noob-friendly
kws

Its just user customization, you don't really need one. alot of people just prefer them.

joel2009 said:
..just prefer them.
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but why? whats better/different? there must be a reason why so many
people spend their time creating them.
i found so much software (and dont even have a ppc yet) to get the best
out of wm. thats really amazing. so what can a custom rom do, what a
third-party software couldn´t?
the one thing i could imagine right now: i like the possibility to change the
look of my device with things like "spb mobile shell". but i would rather like
to change the wm-gui itself. take away what i dont need, instead of adding
more stuff to the os (thats why i still use winXP with the old 2000-shell).
in order not to waste precious cpu- and ram-power to things i dont need/want.
thx for the answer.
hf
kws

to get the latest and the best
HTC takes so much of time releasing the official updates
so if you want the latest you have to depend on custom ROMs
and you can even get stuff which is not meant for your phone
like touch flo,manila interface etc

sheennick123456 said:
and you can even get stuff which is not meant for your phone
like touch flo,manila interface etc
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i thought touch flo is ment for my phone (it comes with it). and i thought
manila is just like a "codename" for touchflo!?
anyway... so if there is a bug or something like that and htc takes month
to release updates, the xda-devs come and create their own roms.. or if
someone would find out that the hd actually has everything hardware-
related whats needed for tv-out, he could make a rom that supports that?
and a rom is always specific to one model of a device?!? you cant use a
kayser*-rom for eg a diamond, can you?
where can i find a list of all availiable rom´s (especially for blackstone and
raphael).
thank you!!
kws
(* soze!

kweso said:
but why? whats better/different? there must be a reason why so many
people spend their time creating them.
i found so much software (and dont even have a ppc yet) to get the best
out of wm. thats really amazing. so what can a custom rom do, what a
third-party software couldn´t?
the one thing i could imagine right now: i like the possibility to change the
look of my device with things like "spb mobile shell". but i would rather like
to change the wm-gui itself. take away what i dont need, instead of adding
more stuff to the os (thats why i still use winXP with the old 2000-shell).
in order not to waste precious cpu- and ram-power to things i dont need/want.
thx for the answer.
hf
kws
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Well for example by removing things from a rom you don't use, you can make your phone faster or have more memory.
Sometimes program such as manilla run better or faster when they are built into a rom.
Flashing a new rom means that if you hard reset, you will reset back to the rom you flash.
You can put new program and or drivers stripped from another phone (omnia, opal, ect) (this would be useful beacuse they may be newer and more improved)
Its all a matter of opinion on what you want to do with your phone, if you need help with something you are trying to get you need to giver us an example so that we can give you an example of pluses and draw backs. (there are alot of things it does and its hard to just list them)

well, thank u very much. i think i get it now. somehow like n-lite for desktop windows. but still it would be nice to have a list in the wiki with all roms, their compatibilites and main features...
joel2009 said:
...what you want to do with your phone
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do you know the tricorders from star trek?
muchas gracias, again..
cu

Ya and i would like a microwave to cook food with built into mine .......

well...
actually...
if you could manage to modify the frequency of the radio...
hmm...

or something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53W_zOwG4k

but back to topic:
is there an overview over the existing roms? seaching this
forum for "rom" is not quite effective.
or is there a "what is possible with a custom rom"?
sorry if this questions sound stupid to you. but so i am
thx gn8
kws

It may makes xda more interesting～

well... you would be a great salesman!
could you specify this?
thx

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no hope
sorry for every one...

Dang, those look pretty special.. I wouldnt want to risk bricking one trying to upgrade the version of android; they might not even be compatible at all.

amgupt01 said:
Dang, those look pretty special.. I wouldnt want to risk bricking one trying to upgrade the version of android; they might not even be compatible at all.
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HaHa,you neednt to worry about that,cause the system of this handset is much older than ones available for G1,the machine is a very very old man ^_^，using a very very old version of Android.
SO NO NEED TO TAKE THE RISK..

Im not that technical when it comes to this, but can the hardware even handle Android?

Forget upgrading them,DUMP THEM. I'd like to see how well the "proto-android" firmware would work on the g1.....once ported of course. And where did you find these? I'd like to try to get my hands on one.

I'm not sure if these can even handle full-blown android - they have 200mhz processors for crying out loud! That said, demos show they are blazing fast (even faster than ours around the ui!) but since these were never put into full production, I doubt you can update it easily...
Good to see you have found 2 gems there... thinking of selling them? =P

dam those are some great prototype android devices, you must keep one stock default, very rare, quite valuable i think. especially the white one.

Woha, prototype devices!

otto888 said:
Forget upgrading them,DUMP THEM. I'd like to see how well the "proto-android" firmware would work on the g1.....once ported of course. And where did you find these? I'd like to try to get my hands on one.
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A friend give these to me
HaHa they are using a OS based on a very early SDK,I do have the img of the system,just dont know how to flash it because the fastboot and recovery is really different from G1 or G2,to avoid brick it,I would like to find some useful guide...
thx any way....

NguyenHuu said:
dam those are some great prototype android devices, you must keep one stock default, very rare, quite valuable i think. especially the white one.
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HaHa,I dicide to use them for my convenience,they are so special~~~~mmmm

cadetnudt said:
A friend give these to me
HaHa they are using a OS based on a very early SDK,I do have the img of the system,just dont know how to flash it because the fastboot and recovery is really different from G1 or G2,to avoid brick it,I would like to find some useful guide...
thx any way....
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Can you provide any pics of the recovery menus? If we are able to dump,we may be able to flash....but I heard these have lower specs than the g1.....so it wouldn't be practical to flash g1 firmware onto these protypes....

otto888 said:
Can you provide any pics of the recovery menus? If we are able to dump,we may be able to flash....but I heard these have lower specs than the g1.....so it wouldn't be practical to flash g1 firmware onto these protypes....
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MMM~~~I will post some pics later.
What I want isnt flashing G1's ROM in onto them but ROMs from themselves and moded to fix the wlan's problem,cause their wifi cannot work properly yet.

the problem is that there's no source, so we can't really backport a wifi driver for the older kernel (does it even have wifi radio?)
For those who want with old android builds (don't know why though) go here:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/older_releases.html
download the older sdks (betas and pre-betas), they all come with emulators, you should be able to (using their tools folder) dump the system from them (or unyaff's the system included). Again there's really not much there

i doubt that you will be able to flash anything from g1 on this phone, as its screen obviously is a different res

jubeh said:
the problem is that there's no source, so we can't really backport a wifi driver for the older kernel (does it even have wifi radio?)
For those who want with old android builds (don't know why though) go here:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/older_releases.html
download the older sdks (betas and pre-betas), they all come with emulators, you should be able to (using their tools folder) dump the system from them (or unyaff's the system included). Again there's really not much there
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My friend said that he had one with wifi，can I dump something from it and push it to my EXCA300？
And what steps should I take？
The URL you mentioned,which I had explored early in the morning,includes bulks of SDKs,and through the wiki I have posted before,I knew some SDKs available for EXCA300 then downloaded some versions.They are:
android-sdk_m5-rc15_windows.zip
android-sdk_m5-rc14_windows.zip
android_sdk_windows_m3-rc22a.zip
android_sdk_windows_m3-rc37a.zip
I need more information about the recovery and HBOOT...
Thanks a lot for your warm advice！

Nice. some rare speciments you have there.

NguyenHuu said:
very rare, quite valuable i think. especially the white one.
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Not really. Stanford SUSE has a ton of these. Supposedly bought them in bulk on the cheap. I had a hold of one for a while a few months ago trying to see if it would be worth the time to get production Android (then 1.1) onto it. It was pretty much a lost cause without support from HTC.

jashsu said:
Not really. Stanford SUSE has a ton of these. Supposedly bought them in bulk on the cheap. I had a hold of one for a while a few months ago trying to see if it would be worth the time to get production Android (then 1.1) onto it. It was pretty much a lost cause without support from HTC.
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You have one？
Could you tell me the details about yours?

Sorry for the OT: but they are greeeeat! XD

blackgin said:
Sorry for the OT: but they are greeeeat! XD
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Root manager is your app?
Here is my best adoration....

[ROM][32B] tek's-ROM v0.0.1 pre-ALPHA, [Donut], "What's wrong with this picture?"

[ROM][32B] tek's-ROM v0.0.1 pre-ALPHA, [Donut], "What's wrong with this picture?"
Hi, all,
Here is a project I have been working on for a couple days I would like to share with you. This is a pure, unmodified Android 1.6 Donut ROM.
Remember, this is a PRE-ALPHA, so don't expect stability, or anything extraordinary. Given that I am a pretty big n00b when it comes to developing (thus the broken market and sync in a 1.6 ROM ), and any help in getting these apps working is greatly appreciated.DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING HAPPENING TO YOUR PHONE, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!.
UPDATED: Okay, this thing is now usable. Ive combined AOSP code and The HTC ADP1 ROM so everything on the doesn't work list now works. The only things that dont work are the Apps2SD and Su (working on this as we speak). This ROM is also 100% stock.
Okay, so here are the lists:
What works:
Camera
Wifi
Gps
Keyboard
Phone
SMS
Essentially everything that isn't on the doesn't work list.
What doesn't work (everything on this list will be fixed in the future)
Su
Apps2SD
Also thanks to cyanogen for some of the system apps that have been pulled from his rom .
Download link:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=87E09WTH
Cheers!

Wondering why all these things dont work on a donut rom lol?
Anyways good work

mainly causeI'm actually trying to learn how to build a donut rom lol, hopefully without making yself look like a total idiot.

this is pretty much useless

tekgek said:
mainly causeI'm actually trying to learn how to build a donut rom lol, hopefully without making yself look like a total idiot.
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Speed is the most important, and with all of this broken it wont help. Try making something of the new eris port.

nick8197 said:
this is pretty much useless
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you're not being helpful by saying that, this kid (i'm assuming, could be wrong) just wants to learn how to build ROMs and is asking for help.

Is this rom built straight off of AOSP or is it another rom and you put own touches? Because it will help alot more so i can see if i can fix some of the broken apps for you
EDIT: It helps alot more to theme after you fix everything... Just my opinion

XxKOLOHExX said:
Is this rom built straight off of AOSP or is it another rom and you put own touches? Because it will help alot more so i can see if i can fix some of the broken apps for you
EDIT: It helps alot more to theme after you fix everything... Just my opinion
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It is built straight off AOSP, with the goal of being really fast, as fast as any other really good donut rom. But none of the other google apps work out of the box on AOSP, as I probably should have known. I would really appreciate it if you could help me out on this.
I agree, I should have themed it after, but I love the theme,so I just stuck it in there.
Tekgek

Why should I want to flash this? Or rather, why should I want to flash this once it's more developed? What is this going to have that Cyanogen or Super D or CSDI doesn't?
My point is, it'd be a good idea to maybe put something out there that you're planning on implementing into this that no one else is doing, or that you can do better. We have several stable, incredibly fast Donut roms out there right now, so what should set this apart from the rest of the crowd?
Just my two cents. I'd love to see this turn into something spectacular.

grandomegabosses said:
Just my two cents. I'd love to see this turn into something spectacular.
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So would I. To one poster on this thread, I am just a person with computer skills who just got interested in Android two days ago. However, I do have plans for this rom, something that may or may not be possible. Any developer who is interested in the concept please pm me, and tell me if I am dreaming things up that are impossible or not.
EDIT: Okay, I guess its not that top secret, post ideas here too, if you like. My idea is to create a donut rom with the speed and stability of Android 1.6 on the G1, but with the ability to run 2.1 3d apps natively. Essentially, take what cyanogen has done with his ROMs to a whole new level. Impossible? Probably. Opinions, people who actually have experience with Android?

"whats wrong with this picture?"
The following
What doesn't work (everything on this list will be fixed in the future)
Android Market
Google Sync
Initial Setup
Google Apps in general
Apps2SD

nick8197 said:
this is pretty much useless
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I guess it is, i mean donut stock is perfect, but again no need to theme it with what u like, leave it stock and give the link and option to theme it, I love stock donut ROms

From the department of stabbing in the dark, it sounds like your Google apps aren't signed with the right keys. I believe they need to be signed with the same keys as the rest of the /system/app apps you build off the source. Swim through Cyanogen's Twitter posts as I believe he's answered this there before (or just try resigning them and see if it works.)

To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
To The Other Users:
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the replies I've been reading. It seems like a lot of you only really care about how this rom effects you, rather than how it effects the author in general. You don't build giant empire over night, but it does show that he put a lot of effort into the build. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't make remarks that bring the developer down.

apreichner said:
To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
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First off, thanks for the support. I really appreciate it . Second, where would I out said GApps when compiling the source?

apreichner said:
To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
To The Other Users:
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the replies I've been reading. It seems like a lot of you only really care about how this rom effects you, rather than how it effects the author in general. You don't build giant empire over night, but it does show that he put a lot of effort into the build. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't make remarks that bring the developer down.
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I agree, the maturity of some posts is quite unfortunate, no? We live in quite the selfish era =). I would like to see what you pull off in the future.

Hey dude I hope you become better at making the roms and you become an even better dev

with ALL the other BETTER donut roms, why do we even need this?
for a nice stable donut. cyanogen
anything other variation can be found.
plus all the other broken crap...gimme one good reason to flash this haha

rizocreations said:
with ALL the other BETTER donut roms, why do we even need this?
for a nice stable donut. cyanogen
anything other variation can be found.
plus all the other broken crap...gimme one good reason to flash this haha
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what a stupid comment..

Tek,
Thanks for taking time to develop ROM for our device. Goodluck!

hd2 texas hold'em game

hello is there a texas hold'em game for online for the hd2 so i can play vs other people. like the app live holdem poker on the android os. i now boot the android os desire but it dont work very smooth so thats the reason why i want it on the wm 6.5
Greatz, Iefen

iefen said:
hello is there a texas hold'em game for online for the hd2 so i can play vs other people. like the app live holdem poker on the android os. i now boot the android os desire but it dont work very smooth so thats the reason why i want it on the wm 6.5
Greatz, Iefen
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I use live hold'em poker with android in my hd2 without any lag or issues.
Iam very surprise you have an HD2 and want to revert back to wm6.5, which by the way is the worst OS for the hd2.
Android has come a long way in development with HD2.

PENKO956 said:
Iam very surprise you have an HD2 and want to revert back to wm6.5, which by the way is the worst OS for the hd2.
Android has come a long way in development with HD2.
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Thats realy the unqualified statement I ever read. They are two different OS whereby everyone has its advantages and also disadvantages. For games and apps clearly Android is the better one. But for modding and in business the advantage is clear at WM.

yeah which one do u use? i mean wich android os.
and yeah i like the basic wm 6.5 and i seriously HATE the energy rom

Bonito77 said:
Thats realy the unqualified statement I ever read. They are two different OS whereby everyone has its advantages and also disadvantages. For games and apps clearly Android is the better one. But for modding and in business the advantage is clear at WM.
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any business you want to do with winrom you can do better with Android.
yes they do have advantages and disadvantages but theirs a reason why mostly all of hd2 owners are switching to android. windows is way behind android in apps and development. Numbers don't lie. but hey by all means go ahead and stay with your win6.5...
"unqualified statement" lol you should read more....

yeah i have the desire rom on my phone but it crashes A LOT i dont like it anymore so i dont use android much.
but if u could say how i can use my phone always with android i really like that

iefen said:
yeah i have the desire rom on my phone but it crashes A LOT i dont like it anymore so i dont use android much.
but if u could say how i can use my phone always with android i really like that
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the question is do you still want winrom?
if yes then you need to go the SD route. <- keeps windows
If no then you need to go NAND route. <- no more windows
im using HD2one NAND with no issues at all
just download the build package and follow directions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=898067

what sd and nand?
and i only want no wm if i getting much better **** for back
and is it possible to set it back to winmo if i dont like it?
thnx

okay i m over i m gnna use nand.
what do i need 2 do only use that link u gave me else nothing?

sry for 3trd post but i m almost sure i m gonna use nand but i got 3 questions
1. can i do EVERYTHING that i can do now with my winmo phone. so calling making pictures and that ****
2. can i switch back to winmo 6.5 if i dont like it?
3. and what is the best option to install nand? with formated sd card. without sd card. with formated phone?
thnx

PENKO956 said:
any business you want to do with winrom you can do better with Android.
yes they do have advantages and disadvantages but theirs a reason why mostly all of hd2 owners are switching to android. windows is way behind android in apps and development. Numbers don't lie. but hey by all means go ahead and stay with your win6.5...
"unqualified statement" lol you should read more....
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Be cool bro, was no attack to you only my opinion and be sure I've read enough about android. So I think e.g. my clients are not realy pleased to hear that I give google all my contact data only why I install any app.
I'll never say it didn't run smooth or anything else.
And hey, we can be glad that all of us have different flavors, or not?
Nice evening,
Grtz B.

iefen said:
sry for 3trd post but i m almost sure i m gonna use nand but i got 3 questions
1. can i do EVERYTHING that i can do now with my winmo phone. so calling making pictures and that ****
2. can i switch back to winmo 6.5 if i dont like it?
3. and what is the best option to install nand? with formated sd card. without sd card. with formated phone?
thnx
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Sorry but can't give you the answer for all of your question (didn't use android)but searched a lit bit by here and found for installation things two good threads. I don't know you found them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894423
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
Hope I can help a lit.

Bonito77 said:
And hey, we can be glad that all of us have different flavors, or not?
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true that

actually I think (in my opinion) wm is better than android
I almost tried all android builds (nand & sd),android is really smooth,eye candy,easy to use os ,but it has some disadvantages that made me downgrade to wm:
1.battery life sucks,android and especially froyo can dry the battery juice in less than 12 hours and somtimes less,and battery life is one of the most important thing
in any phone,android power management still needs so many improvements
2.I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed that, but android doesn't really
have a good task manager,e.g:if I open the internet browser it won't exit until I do a soft reset,and there's several apps that don't exit,so by this way we use more ram which leads us to more battery draining
but I really like android and it's an amazing OS and I think every hd2 owner should try android,it's really cool and may keep it
we have different tastes

Speed up your device significantly

UThis actually works so i decided to share with you all
Please choose option 9 that is what I chose and i can see a visible boost on android revolution rom
This is the thread to boosting your device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
If this is the wrong section please move it
And to any rom developer looking at this thread please add this script in your rom

muneebrocks said:
UThis actually works so i decided to share with you all
Please choose option 9 that is what I chose and i can see a visible boost on android revolution rom
This is the they'd to boosting your device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
If this is the wrong section please move it
And to any rom developer looking at this thread please add this script in your rom
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Moved to General as it is not Development related. and on a side not. No I wont be adding this to any rom I make.

zelendel said:
Moved to General as it is not Development related. and on a side not. No I wont be adding this to any rom I make.
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Could you elaborate why it actually does speed up the device

muneebrocks said:
Could you elaborate why it actually does speed up the device
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After running it for a few days, That was after I had to change my good working busybox to an older one that caused issues. I didnt see any change other then it closing apps that it had no point in closing. Android has one of the best memory management systems and its best not to mess with it a bit much. I have had a few people run it on my set up and they ran into the same issues. While I agree that is may work on some roms, it is not for every rom.

zelendel said:
After running it for a few days, That was after I had to change my good working busybox to an older one that caused issues. I didnt see any change other then it closing apps that it had no point in closing. Android has one of the best memory management systems and its best not to mess with it a bit much. I have had a few people run it on my set up and they ran into the same issues. While I agree that is may work on some roms, it is not for every rom.
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Thank you for the insight it helps me with android revolution rom makes just a bit faster to make all the difference in the world.

muneebrocks said:
Thank you for the insight it helps me with android revolution rom makes just a bit faster to make all the difference in the world.
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Might want to make sure that it doesnt break any of mike's custom scripts just in case. Speed is great as long as it doesnt sacrifice other things to do it.

zelendel said:
Might want to make sure that it doesnt break any of mike's custom scripts just in case. Speed is great as long as it doesnt sacrifice other things to do it.
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Atm it hasn't done anything like that i actually think my camera might also be taking pictures faster but that could. Be because I'm over excited about how certain lagg is over
I use my phone mainly for gaming, camera and smses and for these this this script has not been a problem infact a solution

muneebrocks said:
Atm it hasn't done anything like that i actually think my camera might also be taking pictures faster but that could. Be because I'm over excited about how certain lagg is over
I use my phone mainly for gaming, camera and smses and for these this this script has not been a problem infact a solution
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I can see where it would help with gaming. I dont game on my device. Mostly used in a perfessional manor for work and fun. Just dont understand why a script would kill the phone and sms app on a mobile device. But if it works for you then great. Glad you got your device working the way you want.