hey,
of course i know what a rom is. somehow. but why would i need a new one?
[i found everything what i was asking myself by using the forum-search.
but no answer to this essential question. shouldn´t that be somewhere
in the wiki?]
thx for beeing noob-friendly
kws
Its just user customization, you don't really need one. alot of people just prefer them.
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..just prefer them.
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but why? whats better/different? there must be a reason why so many
people spend their time creating them.
i found so much software (and dont even have a ppc yet) to get the best
out of wm. thats really amazing. so what can a custom rom do, what a
third-party software couldn´t?
the one thing i could imagine right now: i like the possibility to change the
look of my device with things like "spb mobile shell". but i would rather like
to change the wm-gui itself. take away what i dont need, instead of adding
more stuff to the os (thats why i still use winXP with the old 2000-shell).
in order not to waste precious cpu- and ram-power to things i dont need/want.
thx for the answer.
hf
kws
to get the latest and the best
HTC takes so much of time releasing the official updates
so if you want the latest you have to depend on custom ROMs
and you can even get stuff which is not meant for your phone
like touch flo,manila interface etc
sheennick123456 said:
and you can even get stuff which is not meant for your phone
like touch flo,manila interface etc
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i thought touch flo is ment for my phone (it comes with it). and i thought
manila is just like a "codename" for touchflo!?
anyway... so if there is a bug or something like that and htc takes month
to release updates, the xda-devs come and create their own roms.. or if
someone would find out that the hd actually has everything hardware-
related whats needed for tv-out, he could make a rom that supports that?
and a rom is always specific to one model of a device?!? you cant use a
kayser*-rom for eg a diamond, can you?
where can i find a list of all availiable rom´s (especially for blackstone and
raphael).
thank you!!
kws
(* soze!
kweso said:
but why? whats better/different? there must be a reason why so many
people spend their time creating them.
i found so much software (and dont even have a ppc yet) to get the best
out of wm. thats really amazing. so what can a custom rom do, what a
third-party software couldn´t?
the one thing i could imagine right now: i like the possibility to change the
look of my device with things like "spb mobile shell". but i would rather like
to change the wm-gui itself. take away what i dont need, instead of adding
more stuff to the os (thats why i still use winXP with the old 2000-shell).
in order not to waste precious cpu- and ram-power to things i dont need/want.
thx for the answer.
hf
kws
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Well for example by removing things from a rom you don't use, you can make your phone faster or have more memory.
Sometimes program such as manilla run better or faster when they are built into a rom.
Flashing a new rom means that if you hard reset, you will reset back to the rom you flash.
You can put new program and or drivers stripped from another phone (omnia, opal, ect) (this would be useful beacuse they may be newer and more improved)
Its all a matter of opinion on what you want to do with your phone, if you need help with something you are trying to get you need to giver us an example so that we can give you an example of pluses and draw backs. (there are alot of things it does and its hard to just list them)
well, thank u very much. i think i get it now. somehow like n-lite for desktop windows. but still it would be nice to have a list in the wiki with all roms, their compatibilites and main features...
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...what you want to do with your phone
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do you know the tricorders from star trek?
muchas gracias, again..
cu
Ya and i would like a microwave to cook food with built into mine .......
well...
actually...
if you could manage to modify the frequency of the radio...
hmm...
or something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53W_zOwG4k
but back to topic:
is there an overview over the existing roms? seaching this
forum for "rom" is not quite effective.
or is there a "what is possible with a custom rom"?
sorry if this questions sound stupid to you. but so i am
thx gn8
kws
It may makes xda more interesting～
well... you would be a great salesman!
could you specify this?
thx
Related
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
paulmezza said:
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
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So change the home screen and change the theme. Better yet, you could cook a rom yourself if you're unhappy instead of starting another pointless thread.
paulmezza said:
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
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Then change your theme and home screen, my friend!
Well while the roms may seem similar, some are much faster and more stable than others.
As for your other point, the beauty of windows mobile is that you can do whatever you please with it by simply installing cabs. Don't like HTC Home? Remove it and replace it. Sick of the HTC black theme? Change it. By simply searching on google, you can find thousands of windows mobile themes.
If you want your phone to be really unique and interesting, you can't count on different roms. The rom chefs make a good base rom for you, it is up to you to personalize it.
You could always try any of these things to help sproose your phone up.
http://www.oakridgehobbies.com/plastic_models/testors_model_paints.html
or
http://www.ccartwright.com/
Much better then changing your background. You can change the FOREGROUND
paulmezza said:
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
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If all roms are the same, why have you bothered flashing new ones? Obviously your original shipped rom is as good as those offered here because "... they are all basically the same" - so why not flash back to the original and stop creating pointless threads.
The reason you (and we) flash new roms is because of the subtle differences - some faster, some more stable, some better looking without tweaks, maybe also because only ONE component is better etc etc.
As for no one making a rom that is "different or interesting" - I find them all different AND interesting. I'm also trying to learn how to cook my own by extracting or adding the components that I like best - if I come up with Rom Utopia I'll post it here - but I won't find this Utopia until I try all the other roms and extract the best bits.
In summary - flash if you want to or don't bother if they are all the same anyway, but stop posting useless junk, and stop criticising the work of others until you are in a position to be their peer.
This thread so doesn't belong in this forum.
-McMex
paulmezza said:
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
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Paulmezza, you have the beginnings of a valid point here, but you haven't finished it. What would you like to see in a ROM that would make it stand out from the crowd? There are some great programs and customisations out there, why not make a list of what you'd like to see in a ROM, and then post it. As other people have pointed out, we're only limited by the core Windows Mobile OS itself, everything else on the phone can be customized and tweaked. Post what you'd like to see and you might inspire a budding chef to build some of your ideas in - or you can take the plunge and cook it yourself!
There are some many applications out there that you can use to mod your phone to make it special. Go check out handango.com or somewhere else to find what your looking for. or Google UI's for your phone. The only things making your device generic is you.
paulmezza said:
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
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i agree with u it would be good if cooks did have major changes between their roms, i wanted to try and cook my own a t-mobile themed wm 6.1 rom but too complicated and i have no time cose busy with school since its the final year. No need to attack this guy for this its just his and my opinion, some days im sitting here looking at the detail of the roms see if there is anything to attract me to a certain rom end up basicly throwing a dart of a board with their names pinned onto it.
Mods please close this pointless thread......
its not all that point less whats wrong with a little criticism? i mean i like the work of the cooks im not saying i hate to roms juts variety would be good as well.
Infuruno said:
i agree with u it would be good if cooks did have major changes between their roms, i wanted to try and cook my own a t-mobile themed wm 6.1 rom but too complicated and i have no time cose busy with school since its the final year. No need to attack this guy for this its just his and my opinion, some days im sitting here looking at the detail of the roms see if there is anything to attract me to a certain rom end up basicly throwing a dart of a board with their names pinned onto it.
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What he stated in his post was that quote:
"Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen"
So the problem for him is the fact that they all look the same, not that there are subtle differences between them. So like others have already said, if someone does not like the look of a Rom, go ahead & change the appearance! Take the time to learn how to use RLToday, Ultimate Launcher, WAD and the whole slew of other Today Plugins and Customization apps that are out there. Its not really the chefs job to supply the eye candy, thats where individual taste comes in. Their main goal is cooking up a fast stable rom.
Part of the problem lies with the end user...
Before selecting a Rom do you really know what you want out of your device?
I for one decided that as Applications are bound to change and what I want to do with my device is equally varied I would be better off the what's known as a "Clean" Rom.
So when I cook Roms that is what I make. I remove everything except the Core OS. then I add in registry settings that I prefer such as cache settings, at&t keyboard layout, etc.
Then I take all of the extracted applicatons and build cab files for them (unless I find someone else has already done a good job of this) and I collect those cab files into one place to share with everyone.
So with my XDA Live Rom what I've ended-up with is exactly the applications I choose to use with the max amount of free storage space. The effect is that I don't put any cache files/e-mail attachements on my storage card so I can safely use it when connected to my PC(s) via Card Export II.
Like anything in this universe, cooked roms are only what you make of them...
kyphur said:
Part of the problem lies with the end user...
Before selecting a Rom do you really know what you want out of your device?
I for one decided that as Applications are bound to change and what I want to do with my device is equally varied I would be better off the what's known as a "Clean" Rom.
So when I cook Roms that is what I make. I remove everything except the Core OS. then I add in registry settings that I prefer such as cache settings, at&t keyboard layout, etc.
Then I take all of the extracted applicatons and build cab files for them (unless I find someone else has already done a good job of this) and I collect those cab files into one place to share with everyone.
So with my XDA Live Rom what I've ended-up with is exactly the applications I choose to use with the max amount of free storage space. The effect is that I don't put any cache files/e-mail attachements on my storage card so I can safely use it when connected to my PC(s) ia Card Export II.
Like anything in this universe, cooked roms are only what you make of them...
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I would like a fast clean rom with wm 6.1 (sinces its faster imo) i don't have a clue about registry stuff so one with all the necessary tweaks, your roms is at&t so thats why i don't use it since i have an mda vario III and havn't noticed a 6.1 one
paulmezza said:
I cant help but notice, after trying 4 or 5 different ROMs that are on here, they are all basically the same, just with a few different programs missing from some and included in others. Has no one made a ROM that is different or interesting - i'm sick of looking at the HTC Black theme with the HTC Home screen
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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU PAULMEZZA. This is BS and I'm sick of it too.
Now please excuse me as I watch 700 channels of HD TV with my mind scanning remote control and automatic potatoe chip feeder...
a lot of cooks want to accomodate for the majority out there. Some cooks made a couple themes for theres and they put in a lot of hard work changing every bit of icon on the rom. If you are looking for something totally different, try some third party software to change up your desktop. There is this you can look at.
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/products.php?prod=WisBar+Advance+Desktop
This just gets better all the time....
Ignore at will...
paulmezza: you get a bit of slamming for not being respectful of the hard work people put in. "sick of", geez! Be nice and appreciate free stuff.
Confused-Stu: Nice, respectful, I agree.
TheOccult: not-so-respectful, but funny.
Several others: Dang, the stompfest just keeps going on when one doesn't agree. Especially when a precious thread is started, or an already answered question is asked.
How about a little courtesy, restraint and patience. This is becoming almost comical. What's next timeouts?
tomsenna said:
How about a little courtesy, restraint and patience. This is becoming almost comical. What's next timeouts?
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I just got out of timeout from the wife for spending too much time here... =)
tomsenna said:
Ignore at will...
paulmezza: you get a bit of slamming for not being respectful of the hard work people put in. "sick of", geez! Be nice and appreciate free stuff.
Confused-Stu: Nice, respectful, I agree.
TheOccult: not-so-respectful, but funny.
Several others: Dang, the stompfest just keeps going on when one doesn't agree. Especially when a precious thread is started, or an already answered question is asked.
How about a little courtesy, restraint and patience. This is becoming almost comical. What's next timeouts?
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"almost comical"?! Man, I tried my best to MAKE it comical.
Hi!
I'm looking to get a Touch Pro as soon as my Orange contract is up (couple of weeks) - I see a lot of people saying that as soon as they got it, once they put in a decent ROM it all worked great.. question then is - I see lots of roms, but I can't see any "numpty" description of what each offers and why i'd want to use it?
Am I missing something really obvious ?
Thanks!
Matt.
UKTrainSim said:
Am I missing something really obvious ?
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Yes I think you do. Raphael has plenty of memory and stock rom is good enough with TF3D (which most of us agree that is very good and finger friendly). So needed changes are only for tweeking TF3D or remove some "un-usefull" applications.
There is no competitive phone out there to get something from.
With my Artemis I flashed meschle 's rom to have goodies from Touch, Iphone etc. With Raphael there is no need for this. I 'm satisfied with it "out of the box".
Maybe later when something new shows up.
Maybe Xperia UI. Are you listening xda experts?
My opinion.
Im trying to learn about roms, cause im tryin to decide whether or not to update my rom on my kaiser. What exactly does it do better for the phone. And is there programs out there I cant put on if I dont update it?
pdizzle said:
Im trying to learn about roms, cause im tryin to decide whether or not to update my rom on my kaiser. What exactly does it do better for the phone. And is there programs out there I cant put on if I dont update it?
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I think the variations between ROM's are overrated. To me they are pretty much the same unless you are crazy about details.
1) Sometimes your phone comes with bloatware, software that comes pre-installed on your phone. Depending on who you are you would think that this bloatware is annoying crap. You might want to get rid of it forever.
2) You see...even if you uninstall these bloatware, the installation files (.cabs) can still be found or stored in your phone's internal memory (the ROM). This takes up alot of space in your phone because you are not allowed to delete these files or cabs from your phone. See...this is still an issue because most phones have internal memories smaller than 400 megabytes and internal storage get's used up quickly.
3) It is best to install programs in the internal memory (the ROM) because the software will not be very buggy. I have installed software on my storage card before, and I tell you this: I advise you not to. Basically, if you are a user who installs dozens and dozens of applications on your phone than you should flash (install) a ROM that has little or no bloatware.
4) Some ROMs not only include bloatware, but they include demo music files and demo video files. If these files are stamped into your ROM's memory, then you do not have permission to delete this crap. Therefore you need to flash a different ROM that has as little filler as possible
5) Some ROM's contain software that was never included with your phone: for example... Touch Flo 3D ... Touch Wiz (not ported yet) ... or Windows Mobile 6.5 Software/Plugins
If you crave for Touch Flo 3D, then flash it. If you crave for Touch Flo 3D without a lot of bloatware from the developer, then you have to look for it. If you crave for a Touch Flo 3G with a lot of applications (that you consider beneficial instead of bloatware) then get it.
pdizzle said:
Im trying to learn about roms, cause im tryin to decide whether or not to update my rom on my kaiser. What exactly does it do better for the phone. And is there programs out there I cant put on if I dont update it?
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Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
You´ll find WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 ROM´s
Read the thread of the ROM you are interested in and you´ll see how easy it is to upgrade!
The best way to find out what is your personal best is to test as much as you can
Good luck.
Enjoy!
orb3000 said:
Have a look here:
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orb3000 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
You´ll find WM6, 6.1 and 6.5 ROM´s
Read the thread of the ROM you are interested in and you´ll see how easy it is to upgrade!
The best way to find out what is your personal best is to test as much as you can
Good luck.
Enjoy!
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Ah Orb, i see those Octupus arms are in operation again Well Said!
thanx...
Thanx for the info, very much appreciated. I learn something new everyday. Time to find a rom.
timmymarsh said:
Ah Orb, i see those Octupus arms are in operation again Well Said!
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Thanks mate
Just trying to get back with a little help for all the wonderfull things I learned, installed, messed up on this great site!!
And the nice new friendships I found
That is life!!
orb3000 said:
Thanks mate
Just trying to get back with a little help for all the wonderfull things I learned, installed, messed up on this great site!!
And the nice new friendships I found
That is life!!
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Ahhh words of wisdom, the octopus becomes the philosopher
........ I agree btw....
no hope
sorry for every one...
Dang, those look pretty special.. I wouldnt want to risk bricking one trying to upgrade the version of android; they might not even be compatible at all.
amgupt01 said:
Dang, those look pretty special.. I wouldnt want to risk bricking one trying to upgrade the version of android; they might not even be compatible at all.
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HaHa,you neednt to worry about that,cause the system of this handset is much older than ones available for G1,the machine is a very very old man ^_^，using a very very old version of Android.
SO NO NEED TO TAKE THE RISK..
Im not that technical when it comes to this, but can the hardware even handle Android?
Forget upgrading them,DUMP THEM. I'd like to see how well the "proto-android" firmware would work on the g1.....once ported of course. And where did you find these? I'd like to try to get my hands on one.
I'm not sure if these can even handle full-blown android - they have 200mhz processors for crying out loud! That said, demos show they are blazing fast (even faster than ours around the ui!) but since these were never put into full production, I doubt you can update it easily...
Good to see you have found 2 gems there... thinking of selling them? =P
dam those are some great prototype android devices, you must keep one stock default, very rare, quite valuable i think. especially the white one.
Woha, prototype devices!
otto888 said:
Forget upgrading them,DUMP THEM. I'd like to see how well the "proto-android" firmware would work on the g1.....once ported of course. And where did you find these? I'd like to try to get my hands on one.
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A friend give these to me
HaHa they are using a OS based on a very early SDK,I do have the img of the system,just dont know how to flash it because the fastboot and recovery is really different from G1 or G2,to avoid brick it,I would like to find some useful guide...
thx any way....
NguyenHuu said:
dam those are some great prototype android devices, you must keep one stock default, very rare, quite valuable i think. especially the white one.
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HaHa,I dicide to use them for my convenience,they are so special~~~~mmmm
cadetnudt said:
A friend give these to me
HaHa they are using a OS based on a very early SDK,I do have the img of the system,just dont know how to flash it because the fastboot and recovery is really different from G1 or G2,to avoid brick it,I would like to find some useful guide...
thx any way....
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Can you provide any pics of the recovery menus? If we are able to dump,we may be able to flash....but I heard these have lower specs than the g1.....so it wouldn't be practical to flash g1 firmware onto these protypes....
otto888 said:
Can you provide any pics of the recovery menus? If we are able to dump,we may be able to flash....but I heard these have lower specs than the g1.....so it wouldn't be practical to flash g1 firmware onto these protypes....
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MMM~~~I will post some pics later.
What I want isnt flashing G1's ROM in onto them but ROMs from themselves and moded to fix the wlan's problem,cause their wifi cannot work properly yet.
the problem is that there's no source, so we can't really backport a wifi driver for the older kernel (does it even have wifi radio?)
For those who want with old android builds (don't know why though) go here:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/older_releases.html
download the older sdks (betas and pre-betas), they all come with emulators, you should be able to (using their tools folder) dump the system from them (or unyaff's the system included). Again there's really not much there
i doubt that you will be able to flash anything from g1 on this phone, as its screen obviously is a different res
jubeh said:
the problem is that there's no source, so we can't really backport a wifi driver for the older kernel (does it even have wifi radio?)
For those who want with old android builds (don't know why though) go here:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/older_releases.html
download the older sdks (betas and pre-betas), they all come with emulators, you should be able to (using their tools folder) dump the system from them (or unyaff's the system included). Again there's really not much there
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My friend said that he had one with wifi，can I dump something from it and push it to my EXCA300？
And what steps should I take？
The URL you mentioned,which I had explored early in the morning,includes bulks of SDKs,and through the wiki I have posted before,I knew some SDKs available for EXCA300 then downloaded some versions.They are:
android-sdk_m5-rc15_windows.zip
android-sdk_m5-rc14_windows.zip
android_sdk_windows_m3-rc22a.zip
android_sdk_windows_m3-rc37a.zip
I need more information about the recovery and HBOOT...
Thanks a lot for your warm advice！
Nice. some rare speciments you have there.
NguyenHuu said:
very rare, quite valuable i think. especially the white one.
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Not really. Stanford SUSE has a ton of these. Supposedly bought them in bulk on the cheap. I had a hold of one for a while a few months ago trying to see if it would be worth the time to get production Android (then 1.1) onto it. It was pretty much a lost cause without support from HTC.
jashsu said:
Not really. Stanford SUSE has a ton of these. Supposedly bought them in bulk on the cheap. I had a hold of one for a while a few months ago trying to see if it would be worth the time to get production Android (then 1.1) onto it. It was pretty much a lost cause without support from HTC.
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You have one？
Could you tell me the details about yours?
Sorry for the OT: but they are greeeeat! XD
blackgin said:
Sorry for the OT: but they are greeeeat! XD
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Root manager is your app?
Here is my best adoration....
I know that this is a stupid question but i really want to make my wish true
Can I run Android auto instead of any OS? I want to make my GT-P3110 to be my head unit in my car and it fell a bit of lag with every custom ROM.
Thanks in advance,
KrYpToCiD
Kryptocid said:
I know that this is a stupid question but i really want to make my wish true
Can I run Android auto instead of any OS? I want to make my GT-P3110 to be my head unit in my car and it fell a bit of lag with every custom ROM.
Thanks in advance,
KrYpToCiD
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Every device has an OS, the only thing differentiating them is their UI. so the answer is No but your wish isn't stupid at all, and this might come true.
you will need an OS even for android auto to run.
but, with the custom rom installed, you can defrost/ delete unwanted apps. run the ROM, with minimum apps possible/needed that won't hang/lag the device. slim/Aosp ROM should be ideal for it.
billysam said:
Every device has an OS, the only thing differentiating them is their UI. so the answer is No but your wish isn't stupid at all, and this might come true.
you will need an OS even for android auto to run.
but, with the custom rom installed, you can defrost/ delete unwanted apps. run the ROM, with minimum apps possible/needed that won't hang/lag the device. slim/Aosp ROM should be ideal for it.
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I'm not sure if i can but i have some knowledge about programming and you just gave me an excellent idea to try to change the UI on CROM but that is imposible too,right? ??
with android and open source projects, impossible just doesn't fit here. Android is highly customizable. so, a developer, programmer/themer, can help in this.
changes/additional commands can be inserted at the boot. possibilities are unlimited, depends how far you let your imaginations wander.
Heh. I want to try to do something on my own when I'll have enough free time i'll try to get down the UI and to play with boot properties. I don't wana te brick my tab so I'll do on emulator on PC Ty for encouraging )
If I'll get some things that work I'll PM you.
Cheers
Kryptocid said:
Heh. I want to try to do something on my own when I'll have enough free time i'll try to get down the UI and to play with boot properties. I don't wana te brick my tab so I'll do on emulator on PC Ty for encouraging )
If I'll get some things that work I'll PM you.
Cheers
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You're always welcome, but it would be better that you post here instead of PM me, others could also Help/learn.
Maybe someone more knowledgeable than a mere motivator like me. I could barely keep up with the ever fast Pace updates with Android, earlier ones used to be a bit easier for me.
And yes whatever you do, always be dead sure when it comes to making changes at boot. you should know exactly What you're doing and how to recover as well. Take your time and double check. If confused, feel free to use the platform as well.
keep it safe and don't get it bricked, although boot loops and messed up UI while experimenting is common, I have lot of that in experience, lol
Cheers