Sending personal data to china - Security Discussion

Anyone have more details on this?
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...out-user-consent-or-disclosure-300362844.html
More specifically which phones?
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Dizzee said:
Anyone have more details on this?
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...out-user-consent-or-disclosure-300362844.html
More specifically which phones?
Thanks
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And that's why I'd never buy a Chinese phone! The Chinese Communist Party have their finger in everything mostly to control their own people (it could get very messy when their huge credit bubble bursts, but that's another story). But they would also leverage back doors for industrial espionage. Other governments should ban all their staff as well as their military from using such phones! Big multinationals too?
The worry for me is how much security testing are the likes of Google doing who are getting their phones like the Pixel built by Chinese companies? Are there any Chinese made chips or alterations made to the Google design at the factory? Is anyone checking? Probably not. Is Pixel affected? Why are they telling Google but not other large internet players? Makes me think it could be related to Google products. A very scary thought!
Those holes in the Baidu apk still have not been fully patched, that suggests to me it's state sponsored hacking! And so many apps like ES File Exporer had it, many still do. I just find it very strange that so many people go nuts about Google, Apple, Microsoft gathering personal data and yet stuff like the Baidu apk are hardly mentioned, this well be the same no doubt!
Rant over! Now to try and find some more details.
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Blu R1 is one device affected
https://arstechnica.com/security/20...oor-on-hundreds-of-thousands-of-phones/?amp=1
Their lawyer says "they are a private company who made a mistake" wtf!!!
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LOL, we'd never do anything that blah blah
http://blog.gsmarena.com/adups-responds-fota-misbehavior-micromax-smartphones/

....just sniff the traffic of ES File Explorer fir a while and this chinese story just gets a few more million participants

Some with good Android security abilities, pkease check out this thread. com.adups.patch on my phone this morning.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gen...oming-mtk6737-64bit-t3385210/page39?nocache=1

IronRoo said:
And that's why I'd never buy a Chinese phone! The Chinese Communist Party have their finger in everything mostly to control their own people (it could get very messy when their huge credit bubble bursts, but that's another story). But they would also leverage back doors for industrial espionage. Other governments should ban all their staff as well as their military from using such phones! Big multinationals too?
The worry for me is how much security testing are the likes of Google doing who are getting their phones like the Pixel built by Chinese companies? Are there any Chinese made chips or alterations made to the Google design at the factory? Is anyone checking? Probably not. Is Pixel affected? Why are they telling Google but not other large internet players? Makes me think it could be related to Google products. A very scary thought!
Those holes in the Baidu apk still have not been fully patched, that suggests to me it's state sponsored hacking! And so many apps like ES File Exporer had it, many still do. I just find it very strange that so many people go nuts about Google, Apple, Microsoft gathering personal data and yet stuff like the Baidu apk are hardly mentioned, this well be the same no doubt!
Rant over! Now to try and find some more details.
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Blu R1 is one device affected
https://arstechnica.com/security/20...oor-on-hundreds-of-thousands-of-phones/?amp=1
Their lawyer says "they are a private company who made a mistake" wtf!!!
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LOL, we'd never do anything that blah blah
http://blog.gsmarena.com/adups-responds-fota-misbehavior-micromax-smartphones/
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The difference is that those apps are made by and for the people of China where personal privacy is not a factor. Of people outside of China decide to use these apps then it is up to them to be smarter about what they install.

zelendel said:
The difference is that those apps are made by and for the people of China where personal privacy is not a factor. Of people outside of China decide to use these apps then it is up to them to be smarter about what they install.
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The Chinese are doing exactly the same things their Western counterparts are. So, a good starting point is: if you live in the West, buy a smart phone with a Chinese chip. If you are in China, buy Qualcomm...

optimumpro said:
The Chinese are doing exactly the same things their Western counterparts are. So, a good starting point is: if you live in the West, buy a smart phone with a Chinese chip. If you are in China, buy Qualcomm...
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Lol
NOT a bad idea at all ...

optimumpro said:
The Chinese are doing exactly the same things their Western counterparts are. So, a good starting point is: if you live in the West, buy a smart phone with a Chinese chip. If you are in China, buy Qualcomm...
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Not even close. IF that is what they have to believing then well all I can say is look into it yourself. Also buying a China based device in the west doesnt always work out as many security protocols have china devices blocked for things like GPS and connection to some satellites. Some countries even have out right bans on where and if someone can own a china based device. Like my job. OEM like Xiaomi are banned from ownership or use. Hwauwei was also on that list for many years, to the point that they couldnt even connect to a gps sat if the device was in the states.

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Not even close. IF that is what they have to believing then well all I can say is look into it yourself. Also buying a China based device in the west doesnt always work out as many security protocols have china devices blocked for things like GPS and connection to some satellites. Some countries even have out right bans on where and if someone can own a china based device. Like my job. OEM like Xiaomi are banned from ownership or use. Hwauwei was also on that list for many years, to the point that they couldnt even connect to a gps sat if the device was in the states.
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I didn't say to buy a Chinese branded device, but a device that has a Chinese chip. That's a big difference. Also, those restrictions are software based and could be reversed.
Xiaomi and Huawei are banned in some places in the US (mostly in companies that cooperate well with the US 3-letter-agencies), because they know that Chinese designed chips are "provisioned" (read backdoored) to be exposed to Chinese intelligence, while Qualcomm et all have US addresses. So, from the point of view of a privacy oriented Western consumer, it makes sense to have a device with a Chinese chip and certainly Not devices branded for your Country...

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I didn't say to buy a Chinese branded device, but a device that has a Chinese chip. That's a big difference. Also, those restrictions are software based and could be reversed.
Xiaomi and Huawei are banned in some places in the US (mostly in companies that cooperate well with the US 3-letter-agencies), because they know that Chinese designed chips are "provisioned" (read backdoored) to be exposed to Chinese intelligence, while Qualcomm et all have US addresses. So, from the point of view of a privacy oriented Western consumer, it makes sense to have a device with a Chinese chip and certainly Not devices branded for your Country...
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So you would rather a foreign country have the info then your own?
Not just them. As an example. The town I live in is home to a nuclear missile silo. Most business in the town have banned device lists and both of those are on it. You are right it could be reversed but it won't happen. Mainly not now with the current issues with China. I bet we start to see major import restrictions. Heck Trump already plans on increasing taxes for American companies that have outsourced to other countries. He wants to cut as many ties with China as he can and removing manufacturering plants from American companies will go along way.
Privacy is a joke these days to be flat out honest. People scream about privacy yet they post their public lives all over the Internet, they give their privacy away to companies like FB, Google and all the others.

zelendel said:
So you would rather a foreign country have the info then your own?
Not just them. As an example. The town I live in is home to a nuclear missile silo. Most business in the town have banned device lists and both of those are on it. You are right it could be reversed but it won't happen. Mainly not now with the current issues with China. I bet we start to see major import restrictions. Heck Trump already plans on increasing taxes for American companies that have outsourced to other countries. He wants to cut as many ties with China as he can and removing manufacturering plants from American companies will go along way.
Privacy is a joke these days to be flat out honest. People scream about privacy yet they post their public lives all over the Internet, they give their privacy away to companies like FB, Google and all the others.
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I agree that privacy is a joke for those who post their lives on social networks and I am not talking about them. I am talking strictly about hardware backdoors (the ones hidden inside the chip). So, if I have no privacy, live in the West and know that my data is going somewhere, then I would rather it go to Chinese agencies, as opposed to domestic ones.. Or if I live in China, I would go out of my way to buy a phone with a US designed chip...

optimumpro said:
I agree that privacy is a joke for those who post their lives on social networks and I am not talking about them. I am talking strictly about hardware backdoors (the ones hidden inside the chip). So, if I have no privacy, live in the West and know that my data is going somewhere, then I would rather it go to Chinese agencies, as opposed to domestic ones.. Or if I live in China, I would go out of my way to buy a phone with a US designed chip...
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That makes no sense really. You would rather a communist country monitor your data instead of your own that does it already anyway and wouldnt be learning anything they dont already know. You would be amazed at how much the US gov really knows about the average person. All it really takes is less then a day to learn every single thing about a person without ever touching their device. I mean heck Windows has more backdoors then a porn flick, and if people think they cant get into a linux setup as well then.......Here is my stance. My country does monitor me, I know this, I accept it. Its part of living in the country. Now do I want some other country knowing what I do? No not really.

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That makes no sense really. You would rather a communist country monitor your data instead of your own that does it already anyway and wouldnt be learning anything they dont already know. You would be amazed at how much the US gov really knows about the average person. All it really takes is less then a day to learn every single thing about a person without ever touching their device. I mean heck Windows has more backdoors then a porn flick, and if people think they cant get into a linux setup as well then.......Here is my stance. My country does monitor me, I know this, I accept it. Its part of living in the country. Now do I want some other country knowing what I do? No not really.
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I disagree. I don't use social networks and the last time I used Windows was at least 10 years ago. I use software that I compile myself (including Linux). So, if my country is monitoring me, they have somewhat limited info. Also, I don't think China has any interest in monitoring me, as a private citizen who lives in the West. I know my country monitors everybody, but I don't accept it and to the extent I am able, I make their "work" more difficult...

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Google's True Purpose?

http://ashleyesqueda.com/private/HdniCFAkDv
What pisses me off as mentioned is the fact that you have to install a software update WITH the skin intact and updated as well. I don't like how this delays the time the update takes to get pushed, I don't like how this oftentimes turns me off from using the damn skin, and I most definitely don't like the fact that I have to install it to get perks. It's a trap!! The whole update BS is what drove me (and many others) to root their Legends in the first place. This is absolute crap!
And yeah, I'm against a locked bootloader as with everybody here on XDA. It's not just the custom skins being reverted to plain stock or similar, it's the extra "feel-good" things you can do with it unlocked.
Thoughts on the rant?
Google's in it to make money? What a shock(!)
They're a company, not a charity.
Google is also about spreading it's monoply.
And they're better at it than At%t
Yeah Google is in it for money all company's are, money makes the world go around nowadays so that's what they do. As far as the ads part, that's how they make their money that's how they always have, but you don't see ads floating around when you use your phone just in apps that you download form the marketplace. However, the OS is open, like any other Linux base, allowing people to customize it and thus making Google sit back and see what devs can do with it and integrating what the devs are bringing to the table and seeing what people like (free user studys). Its genius on their part especially to push it to the masses that don't know what they're doing and have no idea what it even means when you say "root." I've always enjoyed Linux and its openness so I will continue to support Android.
Agree with rant.
Yeah, it's the nerds that want this, but the normals don't consider the why.
And the why is these devices are not phones.
They are tiny computers.
And it's pretty terrible that I can change the OS on my other, not-so-tiny computer whenever I want to, but I'm stuck with whatever the manufacturer of a given device forces upon me?
I'm not even sure I like the fact that my smartphone is limited to Android only.
I envision a day sometime in the future where smartphones are treated as tiny computers by everyone--including the manufacturers. Where you can buy barebones smartphones from the manufacturers without a preinstalled OS and pick your poison!
Of course Apple would never play ball with this--they don't even do so on their not-so-tiny computers--but wouldn't it be sweet to pick up the latest HTC superphone and then think to yourself...
... do I want Android, MeeGo, Windows Phone... or whatever other mobile OSes might exist at the time?
That's true openness now, but smartphones are in their infancy, and too many people still think of them as just very fancy phones.
Google's true purpose is to take over the world!
The main purpose of ANY company, is to MAKE MONEY, so the top-level execs can enjoy a huge cushy corner office, drive a company Mercedes S-class, own a Bentley for personal use, host extravagant parties on their yacht, visit France on weekends in the private jet, live in a house so big there are rooms they've never set foot in, and still have enough to pay for private security, butler, maid, and nanny for the rugrats. Accomplishing this goal for Google includes ads, and for manufacturers, includes customization for product differentiation and locked bootloaders to reduce losses from warranty/support claims.
In a way, it's the lax rules of "open" Android which has allowed manufacters to customize however they see fit.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the fact that this woman is interested enough in technology to even bother ranting about Google, Android, and secured bootloaders, is a total turn on?
All companies give something away then, start changing the game, the problem with All phone companies is soon we will have devices that will allow us to load whatever we want, (we do that with dual boot now) this will become the standard, probably take 3-5 years before it is mainstream. But, like everyone else said Google just wants to make money. and have secure market position.....
..... duh.....
google is a company ..... where the strangeness?
GnatGoSplat said:
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the fact that this woman is interested enough in technology to even bother ranting about Google, Android, and secured bootloaders, is a total turn on?
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... hey, not everyone here is a guy, you know!
... and yet I still agree!
Moral of the story- Companies like money to further themselves.
Step666 said:
Google's in it to make money? What a shock(!)
They're a company, not a charity.
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Agree.Google is a company,not a charity.
LOL GOogle wasnt made so people can happily search away
It was made with the purpose of making money... who would spend thousands of dollars doing otherwise.
PS. "Google is a company, not a charity" <---Egg-sactly.
I completely disagree with the whole "stock skin is awesome!" thing. I personally dislike the stock Android theme, and it was one of the reasons I disliked CM7 to begin with, until I found Honeybread.
The stock Galaxy S theme is my favorite theme I've seen so far.
I agree with synaesthetic's vision. Would be amazing if we could dual boot operating systems on any smartphone too.
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Google also gives all your personal data (contacts included, and all their data) to it's subsidiaries. thus bypassing Google's own privacy policies, and this is perfectly legal.
they then make a big tree showing your surfing habits, your friends and families. what u eat and drink and what movies you watch, what news you are interested in your political affiliation !
the more info they have on you the more you are worth to them.
both for their own adds and the more you are worth when they sell your info through their subsidiaries!
like i said this is all perfectly legal. because it's subsidiaries do not have the same privacy policies as the parent company! in this case Google!
why do u think they want to get into the internet service providing business (ISP)? More INFO!
now they have u using their OS, their web-browser, their app store, their email, google maps (to see where u go and what u eat) even down to what streets u use and how long u spend at each place!
the amount of info they have on u is mind blowing
why do u think they are trying to pass a bill in congress on how (and how much) these companies collect info on you!
it will never pass. but it shows you even members of congress are concerned about the points i made above!
so I'm not just talking out of my behind OR a conspiracy nut. it cant even be a conspiracy if it wanted to because the info i right out in the open for anyone who cares enough to look for it,
the companies even Google are not trying to hide anything
food for thought next time u turn on your Google
Ric H. (a1yet)
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synaesthetic said:
... hey, not everyone here is a guy, you know!
... and yet I still agree!
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...there are girls here...!
QUOTE of the day is
deeking2 said:
...there are girls here...!
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QUOTE of the day is
...there are girls here...!
LOL
Nothing illegal is happening here. They're an American business. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
synaesthetic said:
smartphones are in their infancy, and too many people still think of them as just very fancy phones.
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So true...so very true.
JL

Interesting - Security issue on most Androids (2.3.3 and under)

Just read this.. figured I'd share. Looks like it's getting fixed.. Nothing more to see.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/18/technology/android_security/index.htm?hpt=T2
nice hope they roll out the fix for our damned phones as well.
Good thing we have .4 available to use
It's really a non-issue. Basically someone with a packet sniffer can see some information as it's synced with Google. Big deal. They can do that with any OS its just most OS's don't sync that information to the cloud.
Big deal. All they have to do is encrypt the data on the phone before it sends it out. 2.3.4 already corrects the issue.
player911 said:
Big deal. All they have to do is encrypt the data on the phone before it sends it out. 2.3.4 already corrects the issue.
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Not a big deal for current Android phones (and their users) that won't be receiving that 2.3.4 update?..
S0NiX0928 said:
Not a big deal for current Android phones (and their users) that won't be receiving that 2.3.4 update?..
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Its called marketing..... They "scare" people into buying the newest of the new.... damn communists
Let alone its coming from cnn... What a creditable non biast truthful news site
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nate420 said:
Its called marketing..... They "scare" people into buying the newest of the new.... damn communists
Let alone its coming from cnn... What a creditable non biast truthful news site
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Well, for my own sake I really couldn't care less... If the evils of the world want your privacy they could get it whether you liked it or not. I choose to think my life really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things lol. However, I will say I should've checked the sources because as with CNN, and all the other corporate lapdog news outlets, they aren't worth your time in a quest for real, truly important news. Typically all the mainstream outlets generate is shock and awe material, or seek it if you will. They either hype the fearful & devastation or ignore the stuff that would otherwise get them sued by true the criminals to humanity: corporations. We are in a whistle-blower-beware sorta society right now... You either are going to get killed or defamed for speaking out these days...
Wow, ending the rant there, sorry.
Kinda surprised at the attitude regarding the crappy google software. I guess some do not care if their personal info is stolen and used in nefarious ways.
This is Google we are talking about. Not exactly a fine upstanding corporate citizen. They have been stealing info for years. They helped China round up protesters before the Olympics. They will do or say anything to make a buck.
The fact that their software is so buggy and compromising is hardly surprising. People just need to be aware of the type of company they are and be prepared to have anything on their phone stolen and used against them.
It is what it is. I have accepted who they are and I am carefull about what I use my phone for.
Android smartphones face data breach threat
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/905bb4d6-813e-11e0-9360-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1Mo0FZQyv
Owners of Android smartphones are being warned to avoid public WiFi networks after researchers found a security flaw that could affect the vast majority of devices based on Google’s software.
A trio of researchers at Ulm University in Germany found that it was “quite easy” for hackers to intercept data from Google’s photo-sharing, calendar and contacts applications, as well as potentially other Google services such as Gmail, using a flaw that affects 99 per cent of all Android devices.
The attack works when unsecured wireless access points that imitate public WiFi hot spots that the phone has accessed before – such as a coffee shop chain – capture an authentication token.
That token can then be used by attackers to access and modify personal data in Picasa, Google’s photo site, Calendar and Contacts. Business customers using Google apps on Android are not affected by the weakness because all traffic is encrypted by default.
“The implications of this vulnerability reach from disclosure to loss of personal information for the Calendar data,” said the Ulm researchers in a posting on their website.
“Beyond the mere stealing of such information, an adversary could perform subtle changes without the user noticing. For example, an adversary could change the stored e-mail address of the victim’s boss or business partners hoping to receive sensitive or confidential material pertaining to their business.”
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jcbofkc said:
Kinda surprised at the attitude regarding the crappy google software. I guess some do not care if their personal info is stolen and used in nefarious ways.
This is Google we are talking about. Not exactly a fine upstanding corporate citizen. They have been stealing info for years. They helped China round up protesters before the Olympics. They will do or say anything to make a buck.
The fact that their software is so buggy and compromising is hardly surprising. People just need to be aware of the type of company they are and be prepared to have anything on their phone stolen and used against them.
It is what it is. I have accepted who they are and I am carefull about what I use my phone for.
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I agree. It may not be a big deal to the typical user who is txting his girlfriend and emailing his mom.. but a subjective view of this doesn't make it a minor thing all of a sudden.
I have watched google grow ever since the dot com days. I've been an avid user of their products. There has been an obvious directional move by google for those that pay close attention.. They have gone from user/community focused.. and now they have intermixed that with a focus of business .. no different than any other company pleasing the shareholders..
For anyone to think for one minute that google is a friend that can be trusted with your private data, you better get your head out of the sand and take a harder look. They are a business trying to make money. They are not a friend who is trying to serve you and look out for your best interest. They may make it appear so. They may say so.. in order for us to think so.. But I guarantee you that in the midst of a board meeting, the last thing uttered out of their mouth is anything about servicing you and looking out for your best interest. Sure, they may make it appear like that.. .but the reason why they make it appear like that? So they don't lose you as a customer and they can gain customers. Yes, they must make a good product that pleases a certain group of society. But what is the root? To be your friend and buddy?They must maintain good customer service or you will not use their service or leave. <-- The root of that mentality = $$$$$$$.
I played the game of business for many years during the dot com days. I sat in many meetings. Yes, that's how it works. "Let's do x, y, and z.. to increase our bottom line, bring upon more customers, etc.. Then we can explain it to the employees and the customers in x, y, and z manner as to why it is good for them." <-- That's business. What we see is not the "root" of their behavior. Deception at its finest.

[Discussion] XDA blocked in Iran

from two days ago xda forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com) blocked in Iran!!!!!
Can anybody say me why!? Is there any sexual or political thread here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran
Huh? Thats odd
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I hope that is a temporary issue that will be dealed with soon.
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
sreza said:
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
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that's quite likely, although perhaps a blanket distrust of Western internet sites is the other possibility.
Sounds like a right proper pain to folk in Iran.
Maybe because filters blocked it by accident? I, live in Oman and Internet service is crappie -They blocked Google and it's services by accident and it lasted for 3-4 days.
interiesting
sreza said:
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
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it's incredible that in 2012 there are things like this --'
Casi92 said:
it's incredible that in 2012 there are things like this --'
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Sadly, there are still worse places than this, like North Korea. As far as these countries are concerned, the Enlightenment never happened.
At some point in time blame ultimately shifts from the oppressor to the people that allow themselves to be oppressed.
I know Turkey blocked youtube back few years ago(for sure atleast a year)... not sure if its still blocked though
85gallon said:
At some point in time blame ultimately shifts from the oppressor to the people that allow themselves to be oppressed.
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In the case of North Korea, the situation is called a "cult of personality". Their -religion- is the worship of the rulers, and the state media does a very good job of preventing the people from realizing the advances that have taken place in the rest of the world over the past 40 years. They honestly don't know any better.
In Iran however, the people aren't being oppressed by the ruling class. They are actually actively oppressing themselves. They have access to the internet, and they are appalled by how liberal the rest of the world is. As the American Dad episode shows, the men are quite happy with the status quo, and the women are stoned to death for raising any protest. They have democratic elections the same as us, with 48 million registered voters, and the voting isn't particularly rigged either. The trouble is that they live in a society with Bronze Age ethics.
Hell, the most passionate advocates for covering women's faces and genital mutilation are the women themselves, who feel it's the only way to keep themselves from being raped (and then stoned to death for committing "adultery") or from being unable to be considered marriageable.

firmware inside a android smartphone

Hi,
who can tell me where inside a android smartphone, there is a flashable firmware
battery?
gpu?
bootrom?
TALGHAN said:
Hi,
who can tell me where inside a android smartphone, there is a flashable firmware
battery?
gpu?
bootrom?
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What?
Can you be more specific?
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harassment online and offline
Droidriven said:
What?
Can you be more specific?
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this forum is not very helpfull
where there is memory you can hide or inject any malicious code inside even a erasement won"t work
it will reaload itself during the boot sequence
it was just to figure it out where is a tranceiver in my devices, it should be not far from the cpu or the memory controller
you should read my other post
its funny to face some military sophisticated grade stuffs
ps: its not the nsa or the cia, i have the same problem of remote control of my devices even where they are no wireless card no bluetooth, no wifi no irda no gps no accelerometer no speakers... so i have indeed tiny tranceiver or modificated hardware (sabotage)
i come from europe not america and when you pissed some important people they prefer to kill your electronically not physically........ for now
to make that simple; nobody is allowed to talk to me....... why ? i never knew.........
TALGHAN said:
this forum is not very helpfull
where there is memory you can hide or inject any malicious code inside even a erasement won"t work
it will reaload itself during the boot sequence
it was just to figure it out where is a tranceiver in my devices, it should be not far from the cpu or the memory controller
you should read my other post
its funny to face some military sophisticated grade stuffs
ps: its not the nsa or the cia, i have the same problem of remote control of my devices even where they are no wireless card no bluetooth, no wifi no irda no gps no accelerometer no speakers... so i have indeed tiny tranceiver or modificated hardware (sabotage)
i come from europe not america and when you pissed some important people they prefer to kill your electronically not physically........ for now
to make that simple; nobody is allowed to talk to me....... why ? i never knew.........
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I think you are probably paranoid, in order for someone to implant a hidden transceiver in your device, they would have to have it in their hands without you knowing about it and it would take some time for them to disassemble your device, add the hardware and then real-assemble your device. Are you sure you haven't watched too many movies?
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I think you are probably paranoid, in order for someone to implant a hidden transceiver in your device, they would have to have it in their hands without you knowing about it and it would take some time for them to disassemble your device, add the hardware and then real-assemble your device. Are you sure you haven't watched too many movies?
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its long and complicated
its just because i know what is going on
orelse it will be a nightmare
paranoid no eavedropped yes
TALGHAN said:
how to explain
i have a member of my familly arrested and jailed for 7 years for terrorism charges in belgium
another member not truly from my familly (ex kickboxer and ex military) beat a policeman and be shot by policemen in belgium too
but all my problems begins in france where i lived a long time before that so
its just to show you or show others than i can't be paranoid
and i never had any girlfriend i'm virgin i'm muslim so i'm extremly dangerous........
i live in a redneck town
i have no friend
and i'm not interested in usual stuffs
sophisticated cutting edge technologies
military grade... encryption, weapons, transmissions.....
i used to receive packages all over the world
i speak more english than french.........
so my profile is suspicious maybe for a redneck.........
so in their brains i should be a kind of spy or i dont know...... nobody told me.....but they make me understand since decades that they dont want me here
in this country
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TALGHAN said:
how to explain
i have a member of my familly arrested and jailed for 7 years for terrorism charges in belgium
another member not truly from my familly shot a policeman in belgium too
so yes i'm paranoid it was in the newspaper........
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In that case, it isn't implanted hardware or coding. By law, device makers have to include certain software and hardware that can be utilized by the governments of the world. They can't use it against "everyone", but in certain national security or other illegal/criminal circumstances, they can be granted the right to utilize the tools that takes advantage of the built-in software/hardware. They can do things like turn on/off your camera, turn on off your microphone/speaker, turn on your location services, track your movement, listen to your calls, read your emails and text messages, whatever they want.
These people would not be "hackers", they are the "legal authorities".
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All my post online are deleted and only trolls answer me usually but legal authorities do not try to murder you with complicity of a foreign country in the street in a Arab country and cut off your communication email phone and even fax rejected when try to contact the Minister of justice of France and Morocco and all state worker harass me and my sister everywhere we go
French are not nice at all
Legal authorities reject your credit card , delete your files in your hard drive inject fake ads in your computer put your letter sent directly to the post office in your letterbox... when you call the gendarme = policemen from small town the don't even come.... You don't know the whole story and It is a waste of time so my Sim card was deactivated .... The only thing is to remove of the nationality I have because it's a passport to the cemetery....
French are not nice at all
You don't know the story of the France Snowden would be dead before he put a foot in the airport.... To make that simple you said the truth if you are a problem they kill you
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You don't know the story of the France Snowden would be dead before he put a foot in the airport.... To make that simple you said the truth if you are a problem they kill you
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To put it simply, they don't get that serious about someone unless that someone is involved in something serious, whether that someone is a willing participant in the "something serious" or not and regardless of however right or wrong that someone or the "authorities" are. And, yes, at certain levels of threat or suspicious activity, the legal lines that restrict the authorities or agencies, get blurred. That is a necessary policy, yes, it is flawed and gets abused, but it was intended for a purpose and it still serves that purpose to an extent, even with its flaws.
I can't say I agree with governments and policies. But we need some kind of system of rules and security or we would all be living in a world of pure chaos.
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To put it simply, they don't get that serious about someone unless that someone is involved in something serious, whether that someone is a willing participant in the "something serious" or not and regardless of however right or wrong that someone or the "authorities" are. And, yes, at certain levels of threat or suspicious activity, the legal lines that restrict the authorities or agencies, get blurred. That is a necessary policy, yes, it is flawed and gets abused, but it was intended for a purpose and it still serves that purpose to an extent, even with its flaws.
I can't say I agree with governments and policies. But we need some kind of system of rules and security or we would all be living in a world of pure chaos.
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its true but
strangely when you are in your country and you are arab you can be tortured and finish in guantanamo without a trial and of course you have 95% to be innocent....
yes never you see a drug dealer in latina american with a army killed buy a hellfire but a human not criminal can be killed with his familly
you call that : collateral damage
and you can receive a hellfire (missile from drone or helicopter it depends) if you live in the middle east if they think you are a terrorist without proof
like i said trolls and lies
it is useless i will put movies links online and make a wordpress of what i do every day
with a brand new device bought out of france....
then you will see by yourself what i see what i do if the connection works so i have to take a data plan outside my country and its expensive
like i said its ILLEGAL its why i have to take foreign devices
legal authorities not allow pseudo criminal to contact legal authorities ..........; that makes sense..........
during more than 20 years ..........
when i received my first computer (windows 98) a packard bell p2 233mmx) my last name was already inside as username and it was brand new sealed from a store in city near my home)
i can give you all proof if you want (they are reading they are watching and they won't like it.......
so there is 2 possibilities they will expulse me or kill me (or kill me outside the france)
i dont care i'm muslim
innocent mean martyr mean heaven....... unbelievers (the main part of the humankind)will go to hell (from a thora, bible, coran point of view)
ps: its my 3rd vpn service ; i tried nordvpn then protonvpn then mullvad and now airvpn and my vpn block not randomly..... obfuscation tor.... doesn't help at all)
even a flir cam and to proof the 70° overheat cpu and 45° battery.......
and the gigahertz solution case to find the frequency lf and hf ( 700 usd) i never received it............ so been refund via a paypal dispute............
do not disappear (if you are not a trol or a french), you test me i will show you ok???
its funny
because people believe other people without physicall proof
if someone say you are a terrorist and flag you as a terrorist you can't live anywhere in the world.... its just an example
sorry for my english ( videogames, tvshows, movies.....)
TALGHAN said:
its true but
strangely when you are in your country and you are arab you can be tortured and finish in guantanamo without a trial and of course you have 95% to be innocent....
yes never you see a drug dealer in latina american with a army killed buy a hellfire but a human not criminal can be killed with his familly
you call that : collateral damage
and you can receive a hellfire (missile from drone or helicopter it depends) if you live in the middle east if they think you are a terrorist without proof
like i said trolls and lies
it is useless i will put movies links online and make a wordpress of what i do every day
with a brand new device bought out of france....
then you will see by yourself what i see what i do if the connection works so i have to take a data plan outside my country and its expensive
like i said its ILLEGAL its why i have to take foreign devices
legal authorities not allow pseudo criminal to contact legal authorities ..........; that makes sense..........
during more than 20 years ..........
when i receive my first computer (windows 98) a packard bell p2 233mmx) my last name was already inside as username and it was brand new sealed from a store in city near my home)
i can give you all proof if you want (they are reading they are watching and they won't like it.......
so there is 2 possibilities they will expulse me or kill me (or kill me outside the france)
i dont care i'm muslim
innocent mean martyr mean heaven....... unbelievers (the main part of the humankind)will go to hell (from a thora, bible, coran point of view)
ps: its my 3rd vpn service ; i tried nordvpn then protonvpn then mullvad and now airvpn and my vpn block not randomly..... obfuscation tor.... doesn't help at all)
do not disappear (if you are not a trol or a french), you test me i will show you ok???
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You have nothing to prove to me, I'm just a guy that likes android, like is said, I don't know you and I'm not in any position to claim to know anything about anything concerning you or your circumstances.
If people are watching you then I wish you luck.
If they aren't watching, that's even better.
No one deserves mistreatment for any reason.
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You have nothing to prove to me, I'm just a guy that likes android, like is said, I don't know you and I'm not in any position to claim to know anything about anything concerning you or your circumstances.
If people are watching you then I wish you luck.
If they aren't watching, that's even better.
No one deserves mistreatment for any reason.
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i already have this electronic harassment when i had a cpc6128 when i was around 10 years old (and now i'm 34 years old)
the only things(sorry for some mistakes but they are playing with my keyboard too) to know was to lure them to me to expose them it is what i did but i knew things they do not know and they wont believe it so i'm happy ^^ they can live a long very long life.........
and usually i order something nothing comes normally to me
so normality is anormal in my life......
its trials......... its a good thing from a believer point of view
its just my sister almost died too in UAE so they really want to destruct our life.........;
and me in KSA
the only common thing to our problem from the very start since we are child is THE FRANCE only
if i wanted to cry i wont do it on a xda developpers ^^
they will go to hell now
so what ever i can or can't do against them or exposed them is irrelevant now
in fact i can't handle liers.........
i had to fool them like they did with me but in my home because they were watching and listening and spying........ just test them at different location, different hours, with different personns they sent me to check what i was doing (at school, at my job....)
i have no friends no wife and no drive license ......... nothing
i'm free to go
ps: being murdered is not a problem, the problem is the reason ....... because if a foreign country (military) want to kill me even if i dont speak arabic and never had any arab friends and there is no mosque in my redneck town ....... they want other to clean their mess ^^
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Hi
i have plenty of proof online on my facebook and youtube
so
all my stuff are remotely hacked and i cant root my phones
because they dont let me to.......on my computers........ i've followed all your how to but they are destroying everything
so who can sell me 2 android phone rooted brand new
i can pay via paypal confirmed adress
and pay the shipping cost internationally via fedex
and it will be better if you can put a list of software already inside.......(like my vpn soft....)
ps: Never trust a french............lying machine............. crazy lying machine.............
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgqtUtDFVnSWZvXa21fshKg/videos?view_as=subscriber
my youtube channel check my videos
https://www.facebook.com/talibelhoda.ghani.79
check my old posts on facebook and translate in english if they are in french
you will understand my situation

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On the CCP (Chinese government) spying on people outside of their country.
Why I don’t believe Bloomberg’s Chinese spy chip report
China can and has stolen the information it wants from US companies without using secretly embedded hardware, so why would it jeopardize its massive semiconductor industry?
www.csoonline.com
So here is my deal...
Does Lenovo put some sort of actual spyware on these?
How I define Chinese spyware. Hardware or software that in any way reports to the CCP.
As I am starting to wonder, even if they did, what would be the benefit of this outside of their region? They have no legal jurisdiction outside of their boarders. They don't know what my work is (government to plumber to McDonald's worker), so what would they do with random information? There is just too much data to process even for machine learning and deap learning systems.
I doubt they care about you as an individual (sorry) its more about the big data just like Google or Amazon like to collect.
I could be an influential tech manager, but if I buy the tablet from an American off of ebay who bought the device from China, they don't know who I am nor do they know that I was interested in that product, so how would they even notice spy on me specifically?
It just doesn't make sense.
BIG Data is just the mass collection of Data. Google uses it for adverting. Who knows what China may or may not use it for.
However, I have personally worked with; machine learning, deap learning, machine vision, and symbolic LISP.
There is too much data to suss out for any current computing system to zero in on a specific individual without an operator specifically looking for that specific individual.
what do you think? If you have links to support your point (or other sources) please post.
The CCP wants to collect as much data as possible on USA citizens including DNA, little doubt for race targeted bioweapons.
It's terrible.
India has the right idea. Most dopes install the data collecting malware with glee onto their devices to "socialize"
FB, Instascam, WhatsApp, Twitter, Tik Dock are all trashware at the best and outright spyware at the worst. Heavily laden with disinformation and selectively censored to further their globalist goals.
Chipsets can be designed with hidden remote backdoors that are nearly impossible to detect.
The CCP requires all China based companies to share any and all data, with them. Maybe ask that a few backdoors be added to hardware, firmware and software.
Get the picture? The goal is global domination by whatever means are necessary including bioweapons. It's not hypothetical anymore; the CCP is doing it.
WYSIWYG... booster shot anyone?
blackhawk said:
The CCP wants to collect as much data as possible on USA citizens including DNA, little doubt for race targeted bioweapons.
It's terrible.
India has the right idea. Most dopes install the data collecting malware with glee onto their devices to "socialize"
FB, Instascam, WhatsApp, Twitter, Tik Dock are all trashware at the best and outright spyware at the worst. Heavily laden with disinformation and selectively censored to further their globalist goals.
Chipsets can be designed with hidden remote backdoors that are nearly impossible to detect.
The CCP requires all China based companies to share any and all data, with them. Maybe ask that a few backdoors be added to hardware, firmware and software.
Get the picture? The goal is global domination by whatever means are necessary including bioweapons. It's not hypothetical anymore; the CCP is doing it.
WYSIWYG... booster shot anyone?
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Again, it is too much data. I am not super pro CCP considering I am of Hebrew decent, WW2 etc.
However, I just can't fathom, what the zero context data will give them especially considering they have to filter it into catagories. Also, seriously, ai isn't intelligent, it DOES NOT understand CONTEXT. So, again, it would require an operator specifically looking for person xyz. You can have a specific keyword notification system, albeit you still require a human operator to verify the supposed findings. There is just too much data for any existing computer network or system to channel into classes the amount of data that would go through.
I need real world evidence not just people saying things.
this is why.
government abc saying they have the power to spy on you out of many many billions of people. you should be afraid of that government system because they can right? or is that just a claim.
Fear mongering doesn't work on me. I need proof.
we DO have proof that the CCP has infiltrated the USA government in its current sitting. albeit to make such a claim they can pin point someone specific without knowing a name in context is just false, without proof.
Cypresser said:
Again, it is too much data. I am not super pro CCP considering I am of Hebrew decent, WW2 etc.
However, I just can't fathom, what the zero context data will give them especially considering they have to filter it into catagories. Also, seriously, ai isn't intelligent, it DOES NOT understand CONTEXT. So, again, it would require an operator specifically looking for person xyz. You can have a specific keyword notification system, albeit you still require a human operator to verify the supposed findings. There is just too much data for any existing computer network or system to channel into classes the amount of data that would go through.
I need real world evidence not just people saying things.
this is why.
government abc saying they have the power to spy on you out of many many billions of people. you should be afraid of that government system because they can right? or is that just a claim.
Fear mongering doesn't work on me. I need proof.
we DO have proof that the CCP has infiltrated the USA government in its current sitting. albeit to make such a claim they can pin point someone specific without knowing a name in context is just false, without proof.
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You have no idea of their capabilities unless you have a top secret security clearance. In which case you wouldn't be posting this at all... unless you're fishing.
Meh, do want you will...
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