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Kaiser ROM comparisons

I noticed that this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437576) was closed recently and to be honest I didn't think it was entirely fair.
Yes, it's true that we should all read the guidance, and yes, it's also true that individual preferences will determine which might be the 'best' ROM.
However, there are 2 reasons why I think that closing the thread was unfair.
First of all, there is too much information, and a lot of it is simply too technical. I want to update my 6.0 ROM because I am using one of sleuth's old ROMs from January. I'm not sure whether to go for a 6.0 or 6.1 ROM. I haven't seen any post which summarises what the strengths and weaknesses are. My understanding is that the benefits of improved usability and battery life are offset by greater instability and slower response, one of the big drawbacks of WM6. So for me, I want usbility, stability, speed, speed and more speed. I don't want to wait a while after pressing a button and I don't want to have to use the stylus. What is the point of having all this cool hardware if it's painfully slow and awkward to use?
For me this is more important than free RAM, video dialling and YouTube. I have no idea which are the fastest ROMs, or whether a WM6.1 ROM can be as fast as a WM6.0 ROM. Also, how bad is the instability? Does this mean crashes every day, couple of days, every week?
There is a lot of mention of Hyperdragon and Manila but I have no idea what this is. Actually I think that Manila is some form of accelerated 2d driver. But what is 'a 2d driver' and how does it differ from 'a 3d driver'?
You can get lots of detailed technical information, but the more basic issues don't seem to be documented. There are so many ROMs, how is a newbie supposed to choose? Flashing the phone and reinstalling/reconfiguring everything is not an instant process and it can take quite a while to get your phone configured just right. Even if you read all the detail, I suspect that newbies will still be somewhat in the dark. Most of us don't have time to try out 3 or 4 ROMs before we settle on the right one.
Finally, the original poster specified (some of) his particular preferences or selection criteria if you like. It should have been possible for people to make recommendations based on this. If some think the question is a bit lame, they will say so. More enlightened users might post links to some information that is genuinely useful, instead of posting something like. "Search the forum, the information is there". Yup, sure, but the phone will probably be obsolete before you find it. Leaving the thread open will allow the debate.
I understand how you might not want lots of posts about the same thing, but if that is the case, then it indicates that the information is not as accessible as it could be. I think it would be useful if for each ROM posted, the chefs could summarise the main points and benefits. For example is the OS 6.0 or 6.1, how fast it is compared the standard. Is there a benchmarking tool? What are the unique benefits? What are the known issues? Some ROMs posted have really excellent documentation, some not, but it doesn't give me any basis for comparison in relation to the things that are important to me - and others I suspect.
This kind of debate is interesting and relevant to me and I suspect some other too.
So if anyone would care to comment on their views on ROM choices, particularly in relation to speed and stability, I would be really grateful.

bigstick said:
This kind of debate is interesting and relevant to me and I suspect some other too.
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That would be me.
So if anyone would care to comment on their views on ROM choices, particularly in relation to speed and stability, I would be really grateful.
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... And Battery life please

im not trying to come down on you but i think your missing the whole point of this site. lets go with battery life for a second. if you had read (and this isnt that technical) the battery does have some to do with the rom but more to do with the radio and what you use the phone for. speed is also dependent on what programs your running. the problem is like has been stated before this site is about not being a spoon fed prossess and trying each rom yourself. if you want to compare them the do just that..let us know what you think bu post in the correct rom. not realy all that difficult

Checkout Windows Mobile 6.0 vs Windows Mobile 6.1 thread
bigstick said:
So if anyone would care to comment on their views on ROM choices, particularly in relation to speed and stability, I would be really grateful.
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I've already commented on my ROM choice over at the Windows Mobile 6.0 vs Windows Mobile 6.1 thread here (only one day old since the last post). I see you posted in it too.
To summarise, for me the HTC official WM 6.0 ROM is miles ahead of their latest WWE WM 6.1 version in terms of general reliability, speed of GPS functioning and reception strength and even simplicity (including WMP program related files not being dumped into my microSD cards music folder). As for customised ROMs, there are posts about that in the same thread.

The site is meant to be how it is. If you never read and do the research yourself you will never figure out how to do this on your own. Yeah, it may be hard to start, I think my first flash took several hours, reading and re-reading the directions, but now I can flash + get all my apps and settings right in less than a half hour. And about how fast the ROMs are, there is really no way to judge that, because they are all updated very frequently and most people re-flash, new bugs show up, things slow down, things speed up, it would just be too hard to keep track of it all in one spot, and it is alot easier to just read. You really need to use a ROM for a few days to get a feel for it, and you can use something like PIM backup so you won't actually lose anything between flashes. Battery life can't be judged good either, because it seems that radios perform differently in different areas, so everyone is always searching for that perfect radio, which is ever-elusive, some get a GPS fix in 10 seconds, but eat 30% of the battery doing it. Some take 3 minutes but you can talk for 324 hours before the battery dies (exaggerations) There are just too many options and too many combinations of radio/ROM/SPL/location that it would be some form of retarded to track it all, and on top of that, all of these people here do this on there own time and dime. Sure there are donations, but no one can pay the rent with the donations received here, why ask them to take more of their time to test and keep detailed statistics (BTW, just because they cooked a ROM dosent mean they magically know if you will like it or not). Last thing, do you buy pants based on online reviews? No? Thats because your ass is different from mine, my ROM might not tickle your fancy, just like when you try on some pants that don't work or fit, what do you do with a ROM? Try a different one. Not meaning to bust your balls, but this is not a simple process, and you've got to do some reading. Yeah, it sucks, but so does not being able to take a pill and instantly know calculus.

Actually, this sort of response is exactly what I was hoping to get.
Sure, different people have different preferences, and posting opinions and justifying their choices is something us novices can learn from. It gives us a starting point to research the ROMs which look most promising.
Regarding the battery life and radio thing - I know, but the thread on V6.0 vs v6.1 specifically mentioned different battery life. I'm sure most of you guys are using suitable radios, I mean you aren't going to choose one for crappy performance are you? So this indicates that the OS version (or the radios available for them) have different performance.
I've already done a lot of reading, but the sad fact is, I still don't have the answers to some basic questions. I do believe (from what I have read here) that a WM6.0 ROM will be faster and more stable than a V6.1 ROM, but I don't know to what extent. Is the difference noticeable? Do the latest Hyperdragon and Manila ROMs make the kaiser the zippy usable phone we wanted when we chose it?
So, even if people just post what ROMs they currently use, why they chose them, how they compare with others they may have used, and give us the benefit of their views and expertise, I think some of us could learn a huge amount.
So, I'm really not trying to be a whiny pain in the butt, just learn a lot more to help me with research.

I actually have an idea, if the MODs would let it fly and possibly sticky it: A comprehensive, detailed ROM review thread. I could make a post for each ROM a user submits a review to me for, and then take the ones that actually have decent content and recommendations and aren't like "Yeah I really enjoy this rom, great rom" and edit the posts accordingly, or have one giant post, or perhaps a wiki page if one doesn't already exist for that purpose.
I'm not much on programming or that great with technical skills to cook, but an up to date review thread could definitely be my way of being able to give back to the community.

i guess you didnt search first
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409867&highlight=rom+comparison

yeah, figured someone probably got the idea before now. I've never seen that tick through the threads though, guess that's why. When he starts updating again the mods oughta sticky it. My bad on an unoriginal idea.

For starters, if you have an issue with a MOD closing a thread, please PM them. Do not call them out in public.
Second: The previously mentioned thread was closed because there are rules against "best ROM threads" because as Jimmy said, ROMs are very subjective, and there is no definitive answer to suit everyone.
Third: This thread is now being closed as well. As it has already been said, you need to do your research on the different ROMs available. It only takes a few minutes to read up on any given ROM because the chef usually updates one of the first few posts with reported issues and their fixes.
If you require any further clarification, please refer to the announcement at the top of the Kaiser forums.

Stable ROM - sick of ASUS ROMs

Hey all
Firstly I know the answer is out there and I can find it if I researched a bit. Problem is that I am now the proud father of a 3 day old baby boy. So all my time has been consumed by poo and puke. So I apologise for the question without doing the reading first.
Anyway, I have the TF700 as a tablet for me and my wife. I have been sticking to the standard ROMs to keep something that she will be happy with and with minimal bugs. But I have hit my limit. ASUS ROMs are absolutely terrible. I'm on 4.2.1 now and I still prefer to use my phone as it's so much quicker and responsive. I can't believe I choose a 4.3" screen over the tablet.
So, what I am ultimately asking for is for someone to suggest a responsive and stable custom ROM for me to use. It doesn't have to have a ton of features, it just must work. Preferably one that a novice can flash
Thanks for any help
Alan

Just so you know, firstly, this is not the correct forum to post these kinds of questions. The general forum would be the place to ask. The dev forum is only for dev's to post their work/mods/roms/kernels/etc in. A mod will probably move this to the correct place once they notice it.
As for the answer to your question, almost everyone will tell CROMi-X is the way to go for a stable, fast custom rom. It's close to stock
asus, but with a ton of optimization. I'd recommended this rom unless you REALLY need have lots of flashy toys, then head over to CM,
but you will lose a bit of stability and speed, at least in my experience.

Faustus1005 handled all the unpleasant bits, so I can keep to a recommendation of CROMI-X. Stock-based, minimal bugs (at least none that the stock ROM doesn't also have, hahaha) and all necessary drivers and config stuff, etcetera.

Thanks for the replies
I'll go and have a look at getting that flashed. Next challenge is to root it which I've heard is not that easy with 4.2.1

MotoChopper seems to do the trick.
Oh, and errr... by the way: from a "young" father of two (aged 3, having her birthday today) and 4 (almost 5) -- congratulations, and good luck, hahaha! Have fun, too! It's one helluva ride, but a great time, too. I wouldn't have had it all that differently if given the option. :good:

hi could you post some good beginners reading guides on anything

hi could you post some good beginners reading guides on anything related to whatever you do since im new. im new so i ask questions like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2392704
actually someone new won't even know what bluestack is.
i have to start reading up on all this stuff. it doesnt have to be on this site, just readings so i have a better understanding of all this

pleaseeeeeeeeee

phonebroken said:
hi could you post some good beginners reading guides on anything related to whatever you do since im new. im new so i ask questions like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2392704
actually someone new won't even know what bluestack is.
i have to start reading up on all this stuff. it doesnt have to be on this site, just readings so i have a better understanding of all this
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Since you mentioned your eager to understand what goes on here at XDA I would highly recommend taking a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2073370. It contains links to approximately 108 guides that explains everything from what is logcat and compiling Android from source to explaining about MODs and Tweaks, to how to compile and modify your own Android ROMs. Also if you still have any questions feel free to ask me I'll be happy to help you out .
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda premium

great! though i need an overview guide --
like what is a rom?
why would you want to port or create roms?
why do you want to log?
same with the other topics
none of these seem especially helpful or specific to my problem :/
i think the "Tools and mods,tweaks" and "Misc" sections has the most helpful things
but the guides needs to be ranked. there's a lot of bad info out there

phonebroken said:
great! though i need an overview guide --
like what is a rom?
why would you want to port or create roms?
why do you want to log?
same with the other topics
none of these seem especially helpful or specific to my problem :/
i think the "Tools and mods,tweaks" and "Misc" sections has the most helpful things
but the guides needs to be ranked. there's a lot of bad info out there
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To answer your questions:
like what is a rom?
A ROM as defined on the XDA wiki and the Android terms glossary thread is:
The ROM holds the Operating system and other components such as the bluetooth and wifi stacks. The ROM is accompanied by the Radio, Ext_ROM, SPL and IPL. Carriers such as T-mobile or Vodaphone taylor the ROM to their specifications and version numbers do not carry the same meaning across different carriers. IF the carrier you use supports the device well they will usually release regular ROM updates.
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Rom/Firmware:Read-Only Memory and technically speaking, it refers to the internal storage of a device, which is supposed to contain the operating system instructions that needn’t be modified at all during the device’s normal operation.
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why would you want to port or create roms?
Developers create and port ROM's for a variety of reasons. One reason is because they want the latest version of Android on a device that doesn't officially support the latest version of Android. For example the last officially supported version of Android on the Nexus S was 4.1.2 but developers compiled Android 4.3 for it so Nexus S users can enjoy all the latest features and benefits of Android 4.3. A second reason is because developers add features and performance enhancements that the original device manufacturer never could have envisioned or left out. Cyanogenmod, AOKP, and Paranoid Android are all perfect examples of custom ROM's that were developed to increase performance and add many new features. A third reason, is that if you like a ROM but it isn't available for your device, developer's will port it over do the device they want it on (Note: This process can range from very simple to extremely complex) so they have that ROM's features on there device. A fourth reason is theming, some times user's will create custom ROM's that include a heavily modified or changed user interface and then distribute the changes. However ROM's that are just themed and no other changes made are becoming less prevalent due to additions of universal theme engines such as the XPOSED Framework .
why do you want to log?
Logging allows developers to see where the problems are and what is causing certain functionality such as Wifi, graphics, touchscreen, app problems, etc. to not work correctly. The log gives a detailed report of what is not working and a starting point troubleshooting where the error occurs. Developers then look at the logs and fix the error messages they are receiving. Without logs it would be close to impossible to fix any problems you ran into when developing a ROM.
Another set of guides that is an excellent source of information is -NickHalden-'s Guide Ride-From a Newbie to a Dev, Get all you need here. It takes you like you wanted from just understanding the basics, all the way up to developing ROM's and other cool stuff yourself. It also includes a very helpful numerical order that you can follow along so you don't miss any important information along the way. Also I am curious as to what you mean by "but the guides needs to be ranked. there's a lot of bad info out there"? Can you give an example? Additionally you can rate threads and see the threads ratting if they have one at the top of the thread for what users have rated it, this is usually (Though not always) a good indication of how helpful people have found the information in that thread. And if you have any other questions let me know I'm always happy to answer them .

thanks so much! i obviously didn't know what i was getting myself into... you explain these basics really really clearly so you have a talent for it =)
oh the threads do have ratings. didn't notice it. that's great!!
i think that these helpful things should be more central, like the info you gave is very helpful, and places like wikipedia, etc. won't explain it's relevance very well
i have a question on mobile + tablet though. so most people likely don't user their phones to type very much, but being able to type is important to me and i don't think the current state is good
so i wanted to know when you think 'they' will develop a phone that is much bigger but smaller than the smallest current laptop
last i check the smallest was http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Yoga-11S-Ultrabook.96315.0.html
and smallest keyboard were
http://www.ianker.com/product/98APIPAD-02BTA
http://androidspin.com/2012/09/19/j...-worlds-smallest-fordable-bluetooth-keyboard/
or a tablet with a keyboard that is smaller than the current state because it's too big
so basically the current is too small and too big for what some of us need, and i wanted to know if someone can predict when they're come out with the perfect size for some of us

phonebroken said:
thanks so much! i obviously didn't know what i was getting myself into... you explain these basics really really clearly so you have a talent for it =)
oh the threads do have ratings. didn't notice it. that's great!!
i think that these helpful things should be more central, like the info you gave is very helpful, and places like wikipedia, etc. won't explain it's relevance very well
i have a question on mobile + tablet though. so most people likely don't user their phones to type very much, but being able to type is important to me and i don't think the current state is good
so i wanted to know when you think 'they' will develop a phone that is much bigger but smaller than the smallest current laptop
last i check the smallest was http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Yoga-11S-Ultrabook.96315.0.html
and smallest keyboard were
http://www.ianker.com/product/98APIPAD-02BTA
http://androidspin.com/2012/09/19/j...-worlds-smallest-fordable-bluetooth-keyboard/
or a tablet with a keyboard that is smaller than the current state because it's too big
so basically the current is too small and too big for what some of us need, and i wanted to know if someone can predict when they're come out with the perfect size for some of us
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Regarding a central place to find information the easiest way to find it to often search either using XDA's "Search All Forums" button in the upper right hand corner, or to use Google and search something such as "xda {your search term here}" or "{your search term here} xda" (For example "xda root nexus 10" etc.). Another way to find things is simply browse through the massive amount of helpful information that can be found on XDA simply by browsing around, I have learned countless, countless things this way. If there is a specific subject or topic your interested in let me know and I'll be happy to help you look for it or point you in the right direction. To answer your keyboard question, this is a interesting dilemma as an incoming computer engineering student problems like the one your described are very fascinating to me. I suspect what will happen in the future (2-3 years or sooner) is that we will see fold-able screens that we can roll up and put in our pockets or much more flexible keyboards that you can roll up into your pocket will be developed. But overall the keyboard and real typing experience you mentioned is a very real dilemma.

phonebroken said:
thanks so much! i obviously didn't know what i was getting myself into... you explain these basics really really clearly so you have a talent for it =)
oh the threads do have ratings. didn't notice it. that's great!!
i think that these helpful things should be more central, like the info you gave is very helpful, and places like wikipedia, etc. won't explain it's relevance very well
i have a question on mobile + tablet though. so most people likely don't user their phones to type very much, but being able to type is important to me and i don't think the current state is good
so i wanted to know when you think 'they' will develop a phone that is much bigger but smaller than the smallest current laptop
last i check the smallest was http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Yoga-11S-Ultrabook.96315.0.html
and smallest keyboard were
http://www.ianker.com/product/98APIPAD-02BTA
http://androidspin.com/2012/09/19/j...-worlds-smallest-fordable-bluetooth-keyboard/
or a tablet with a keyboard that is smaller than the current state because it's too big
so basically the current is too small and too big for what some of us need, and i wanted to know if someone can predict when they're come out with the perfect size for some of us
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Something like this maybe?

What should I buy?

Hi everyone, (I know its not really the good section to ask this but the topic for this seems to be dead ([Discussion] What's your next smartphone / What should I buy)
1. I'm looking for a new device since my Moto G 2014 as ended :/
I was very happy with it because I love to tweak my phone and the community around it was pretty decent. I like to have the choice to install rom I want etc...
Its the most important thing for me.
2. I can put more this time on the new device. (~300€)
3. I'm not against to buy a phone who have 1 or 2 years old until he is still decent on performance and again with a good community around it.
4. I was looking for a moto X 2014, nexus 5x, LG G3 (D855) but I can't find it anymore in shop :/
5. I tried to look what can I have for 300€ at this moment and I only see phone with disappointed soc on it.
So I think you have all information you need to maybe help me to find the one
PS: I don't care about quality of screen, battery life, sound, Photo etc... I just want to stay with a 5"/5.2"/(5.5"max) with good performance better than my old Snap 400 and be able to run some games.
Again thanks if you can help me.

plopingo said:
Hi everyone, (I know its not really the good section to ask this but the topic for this seems to be dead ([Discussion] What's your next smartphone / What should I buy)
1. I'm looking for a new device since my Moto G 2014 as ended :/
I was very happy with it because I love to tweak my phone and the community around it was pretty decent. I like to have the choice to install rom I want etc...
Its the most important thing for me.
2. I can put more this time on the new device. (~300€)
3. I'm not against to buy a phone who have 1 or 2 years old until he is still decent on performance and again with a good community around it.
4. I was looking for a moto X 2014, nexus 5x, LG G3 (D855) but I can't find it anymore in shop :/
5. I tried to look what can I have for 300€ at this moment and I only see phone with disappointed soc on it.
So I think you have all information you need to maybe help me to find the one
PS: I don't care about quality of screen, battery life, sound, Photo etc... I just want to stay with a 5"/5.2"/(5.5"max) with good performance better than my old Snap 400 and be able to run some games.
Again thanks if you can help me.
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That thread isn't "dead", it gets posted in quite frequently. You're being impatient, give it time, it's not like people are standing by to answer your questions immediately. It isn't anyone's job to answer posts here, everyone here helps voluntarily.

Droidriven said:
That thread isn't "dead", it gets posted in quite frequently. You're being impatient, give it time, it's not like people are standing by to answer your questions immediately. It isn't anyone's job to answer posts here, everyone here helps voluntarily.
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I totally understand what you mean. I'm without phone it's why I'm kinda "impatient" like you said
Sorry

plopingo said:
I totally understand what you mean. I'm without phone it's why I'm kinda "impatient" like you said
Sorry
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I'm closing this one up, please ask in the thread you linked
Thanks for understanding
Sawdoctor

What old phone that is has great custom roms and has external display support thru HDMI/Displayport?

I want the phone to be at least 2 years old. Im planning to mod the phone into a gaming handheld loike putting a beefy heatsink and increase its battery capacity.
Any suggestions?

Buuttloader3000 said:
I want the phone to be at least 2 years old. Im planning to mod the phone into a gaming handheld loike putting a beefy heatsink and increase its battery capacity.
Any suggestions?
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Do a Google search for:
"Android devices that support HDMI external display"
Look through the listed devices and then search XDA to see which of those devices have custom ROMs here, then decide which if those devices you want to use.
Don't expect someone else to do the searching and comparing for you. We don't mind helping around here, but we don't put that kind of time into doing things for you that you should be doing for yourself. We don't spoonfeed anyone here, we don't hold anyone's hand and we don't do the hard work for you.

Droidriven said:
Do a Google search for:
"Android devices that support HDMI external display"
Look through the listed devices and then search XDA to see which of those devices have custom ROMs here, then decide which if those devices you want to use.
Don't expect someone else to do the searching and comparing for you. We don't mind helping around here, but we don't put that kind of time into doing things for you that you should be doing for yourself. We don't spoonfeed anyone here, we don't hold anyone's hand and we don't do the hard work for you.
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Well, Im not expecting to spoonfeed me and not a requirement. suggestions, opinions, what comes first in your minds are highly appreciated.