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My HTC universal crashes ( shuts off) after being disconnected from the charger for only a short while. I have noticed this when trying to make a telephone call and when listening to an audio book on Media.
The device is about 3 years old. The OS is Tomal version 8.5..is it an OS problem or battery problem.
I dont want to invest in a new battery if that is not the problem.
it's the battery!
It has to be the battery,see if it's bulged in the middle...means it has to be replaced.You keep using a near dead battery and one day it may leak/explode and damage your beloved Uni.Just change it.Or borrow one and see how your device performs so you can decide...
I neglected to mention that the battery shows 95 % charged when this happens. I can get back to the device if I plug it in.
Can you recommend a new battery?
rkbrouwer said:
I neglected to mention that the battery shows 95 % charged when this happens. I can get back to the device if I plug it in.
Can you recommend a new battery?
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95% of not much charge is still 95% charged, its the battery. If you look on Ebay you can find batteries quite reasonable, but try to go for an original one.
Jay
Is that really true? The amount that the 95% is applied to is not a fixed amount and decreases over time? If that is so what is the purpose of something that says 95% full? How can I find out what full is?
Imagine a fuel gauge like that. The size of the tank gets smaller and smaller.
Testing your battery
The only true way to test your battery is to measure its voltage. the two larger terminals on the battery are the + and _, the _ is the terminal nearest the corner. test it with a mulimeter, if it is below 3.75 volt then charge it and test again. If it drops below 3.75 volts after a short time then it is worn out. the battery bar on the screen is only a rough idea of power left.
Hope this clears this up for you
Jay
Voltage shouldn't be dropped, it will be same even if there is no charge.
The cell's inside the battery are not capable to retain the charge and immediately returns a signal to the control circuit that he is full! Control circuit then triggers an updates to the memory chip (located under control circuit).
Polling mechanism (triggers by the driver) in the device gets the battery status directly from the memory chip and it is the main reason basically getting a false percentage.
Anyway, just replace the battery and everything will be fine then.
Has anyone tried the suggestions mentioned under XDA wiki before replacing the battery. One alternative was to discharge the battery completely by freezing it and then rechargingt it. Another was to tape the two indicator terminals.
BTW what is the effect of going into "bootloader (by backlight+power+reset button)" as mentioned in solving the battery problem undeer wiki XDAI hope that it does not mean that I have reinstall Mobile 6.1
3 years is old enough for battery, i think its your time to buy a new one.
if you want to try one of that method, i suggest you trying a tape method. i try with my batery (fals indicator) and it work.
going to bootloader for drain your battery. for me i turn on wifi and blue tooth at the same time, set band to G3 and turn GPRS on, and playing music and games. it drain faster
tomal said:
Voltage shouldn't be dropped, it will be same even if there is no charge.
The cell's inside the battery are not capable to retain the charge and immediately returns a signal to the control circuit that he is full! Control circuit then triggers an updates to the memory chip (located under control circuit).
Polling mechanism (triggers by the driver) in the device gets the battery status directly from the memory chip and it is the main reason basically getting a false percentage.
Anyway, just replace the battery and everything will be fine then.
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master chef tomal is right , its the ability or capacity of the battery to hold proper amperage or power. you cannot simply measure the voltage across the terminals as it will not be definitive in ascertaining such holding capacity especially for battery that is about to deteriorate its cells (not yet fully dead).
Of course, if the reading is below than the usual rating, the only logical option is for you to replace it asap. but if its within the range, you have to do further testing.. and, if you want to experiment a little, try to put a load across its terminals like an LED with 1kohm resistor, and then measure the voltage. if it drops drastically, your battery is ready for retirement However, if the voltage rating remains, measure the time your battery will be fully discharged using that load. thereafter, let me know how many hours or day it lasted to help me compute the approximate amperage of your battery, regards... :
finally i found solution for customize battery for tornado
picture guide upload in pdf & enjoy it!
thanks
Interesting...
thanks smoma.
i try with sony ericsson (k310) battery and result is very good
Do the batteries output the same current? Else it won't be safe to do so
karhoe said:
Do the batteries output the same current? Else it won't be safe to do so
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yes it is safe
original battery too produce in different mAh
mAh rating might be different but you msut check the potential difference (voltage rating) it is supplying and its universally 3.7 volts. so no worries
Makign the battery this way is hazardous and sometimes pain in neck, you can rip off the power house from plastic cover of the battery and use ur tornado battery's on it to have a permanent electronic contact one, u just need to solder two wires of the apropriate contacts. + and - ones work too (I dunno what about the battery meter reading. I will give it a try when my custom battery dies
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mAh rating might be different but you msut check the potential difference (voltage rating) it is supplying and its universally 3.7 volts. so no worries
Makign the battery this way is hazardous and sometimes pain in neck, you can rip off the power house from plastic cover of the battery and use ur tornado battery's on it to have a permanent electronic contact one, u just need to solder two wires of the apropriate contacts. + and - ones work too (I dunno what about the battery meter reading. I will give it a try when my custom battery dies
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If the battery voltage is 3.6, no problem on the link below you can see in voltage section
http://www.duracelldirect.com/specs.aspx
I am a student at term end Electronics .Before doing this I researched
this way is not hazardous if do correctly
yep, only voltage matters thats what i said
And nice to know that! I am student of Mechatronics Engg
btw, sony ericsson's battery fits perfect but nokias is a bit long and fat
dark_prince , Do you remember your nokia's battery ?
i like test it !
tanks
Just a word of caution... (Having designed products which use Li-Ion batteries)
Li-Ion is the most temperamental of the common battery chemistries. Li-Ion requires temperature monitoring and strict voltage control while charging. Displaying the charge level requires special fuel gauges (coulomb counting/impedance tracking) because the voltage delivered is not proportional to the charge level.
Most Li-Ion batteries are application specific, due to the more stringent charging requirements. This means that the phone and battery were specifically designed to work together. The guide only shows connecting the power leads for the Li-Ion cell. The remaining 2 leads, left disconnected, are likely a thermistor used by the charge controller.
Without temperature feedback the battery can be easily overheated while charging. Best case, this will severely shorten the lifespan of the battery. Worst case, the battery can enter thermal run-away and start on fire (more likely with a prismatic lithium than a lithium-polymer). The thermistor is also part of a safety circuit which prevents the battery from being charged if its temperature is below 0C or above 50C, both could result in catastrophic failure (read: fire).
I'm not saying that replacing Li-Ion cells can't be done. I have done it myself. I am only offering a word of caution that you are playing with fire (literally).
in internal circuit battery temp is chek for over heat
btw if you use the original board battery , temp is monitor so i can monitor temp with celetask in power status
This method is the most stupid that I ever heard one!
If you want to ruin the phones we recommend using this method.
My opinion.
smoma said:
in internal circuit battery temp is chek for over heat
btw if you use the original board battery , temp is monitor so i can monitor temp with celetask in power status
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Everything Tenorman says is correct, you literally play with fire.
Sure you can monitor, until the day you forget your phone is on the charger at home and you are at work... Plenty videoas on youtube show what can happen to these batteries.
Best advice is don't mess with it, and besides why bother?
The correct battery type is readily available on for example ebay.
My Touch Cruise is fully dead, and I'm not sure if its the phone or the battery. The battery has 4 contacts, and tests a normal 3.8v across the out 2 contacts labeled + and -. I know LiIon batts have some sort of protection circuitry in them, to prevent over-charge and under discharge, so I'm hoping its only the battery which is fried.
Does anyone know what the other 2 contacts are for? Ie, maybe they tell the phone info about the batt or something. How would you test a batt like this?
Thanks for any info!
Chris
The extra contacts on those batteries are usually for 2 purposes. Temperature measurement and battery identification. Temperature measurement is needed because the battery may be damaged when charged while too hot or too cold and is always present. Identification, if present, is usually just to mark a battery as being a specific chemistry or specific capacity, and is often as simple as putting a resistor with a specific value in there. A thermistor used for the temperature measurement may serve for identification purposes as well.
Ahhh, thanks Infx, that makes sense. So the fact that the + & - contacts read 3.8v prob means the batt is fine and the phone is dead. Oh well, worth a try ;-)
I had your same problem... My Polaris wasn't dead, it was a bit strange. It could turn on only if connected to ac adapter, but after a few minutes it turned off. And also, if I connected it to the ac while it was off it automatically turned on and did just like how i told. I didn't think it was because of the battery, but I bought a new original batt... And, when it arrived one month later, my Cruise turned on and worked perfectly... I can say i use my phone a lot (it has about 700 hours of calling because of my far girlfriend ) but the battery gives a great autonomy: with the edge connection you can talk for 1 hour and the battery drops from 100% to 89%.. Anyway, I hope you've already solved your problem now. Sorry for my bad bad English...
Alessandro
i have my magician battery drained and now it is not booting.
Even if I charge it in long hours still no luck to revive it.
I used Cotulla's O5 (WM6.5 for 64mb ram).
Anyone familiar with the issue? Thanks!
I had a Magician like that. Battery had to be shocked to restore it because leaving it drained for a long time caused internal shorts. To shock it, I used a variable 25V power supply applied to the battery contacts very briefly which makes a spark. I did that several times until the spark is smaller and the battery shows some voltage. This trick also works for other rechargeable batteries that refuse to charge.
Sometimes with Magician, it's not an internal battery short, but that the battery voltage is below a charging threshold. In that case, I used small wires to attach to the + and - battery terminals with the battery in the phone, and attached a variable power supply to raise the voltage to around 3.7V under load so that the phone will boot with the dead battery. Once it is booted and the LED is orange to show that it's charging, I remove the power supply and it will stay charging till the battery is full.
You could kill your phone doing this wrong and I don't know what equipment you have access to, but these are things that have worked for me. Although the simplest way is just to buy a new battery.
@GnatGoSplat
hi mate, this is really helpful!
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To shock it, I used a variable 25V power supply applied to the battery contacts very briefly which makes a spark. .
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With 25V power supply you can burn battery protection electronics inside in battery and it is possible in that case to overcharge the LiOn battery in next charge cycle and the end it can EXPLODE. In future you can try to apply 5V for little long time and you will achieve same results without any danger to burn battery electronics
Hi arjaylight
Before few days I have same problem with drained new Magician battery. I charged it for little time but the same results as yours, after hard reset the device boot normally.
That depends on the cause of the battery not charging. If battery voltage has fallen below charging thresholds, then applying 5V for a long time should work. If battery won't charge because of internal shorts, 5V will not burn off the internal shorts and the battery will just get warm. To blow out internal shorts, you need a much higher voltage across battery terminals for a very short time. Generally, you should just dispose of shorted batteries as you are correct that they could explode with any attempt to squeeze more life out of them.
Many People used a 9V Battery Block.
Connect only short but frequently ! After ca. 10 Shots maybe u have Luck.
I successfully make that with 2 Sony Ericsson Batterys from K800i.
Is the same Problem : Undervoltage or a little internal short.
Be carefull and patient !
battery drain
thanks for all your inputs.
im trying to find power suplly bu i think what is readily available is the 9v battery block. thanks moto26.
could you explain in details how you did this. 10 shots but how about the intervals? 5secs?
just a side note, after doing all of this if you find that it doesn't work for whatever reason. I found that the dealextreme batteries for the magician hold their charge well and they are very cheap compared to ebay etc.
Hi all.
I've over-discharged my stock battery and now it doesn't charge. It lights up green as soon as I plug the charger. I've tried different chargers but didn't help.
I've made this using short circuit so don't think it's related to Sensation. You may ask why I tought over-discharging may solve the touchscreen issues. Don't know if it's solved because phone doesn't open.
Do you have any advice to restore the battery rather that getting a new battery? I've already ordered new battery though.
Certain laptop battery manufacturers use a circuit which stores battery charge information, but is itself, "kept alive" by the residual current in (even a dead) battery.
I've seen the case on a number of times that discharging below the "allowed" level causes this circuit to fail, thus the communication between battery and device is incorrect, inaccurate or, at worst, not there at all.
(this is why there are more than just + - on your battery)
You could find the correct recharge rate for the battery - current and voltage - and charge it manually, and hope that said 'battery state circuit' comes back to life, but honestly, I think you'll be, as they say, SOL.
I've had perfectly good laptop batteries, holding a full charge, having a great discharge rate, but the laptop would refuse to accept it, just because of this little circuit.
WARNING: Charging / over charging / charging in a way other than in accordance with the original device literature can VERY likely cause the battery to fail completely, including, but not limited to FIRE or EXPLOSION! DO NOT PROCEED UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LiPo (and LiIon for that matter) are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when used wrongly!
All the above said, have fun, don't blow yourself up, and let us know how you get on. Also, from a personal point of view, I'd be interested to know the 'technical reasons' behind the thought that over-discharging could solve the touch-screen problem - can you remember where you got the info originally?
Figure_desire said:
Hi all.
I've over-discharged my stock battery and now it doesn't charge. It lights up green as soon as I plug the charger. I've tried different chargers but didn't help.
I've made this using short circuit so don't think it's related to Sensation. You may ask why I tought over-discharging may solve the touchscreen issues. Don't know if it's solved because phone doesn't open.
Do you have any advice to restore the battery rather that getting a new battery? I've already ordered new battery though.
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wtf? did you shortcut the battery or the phone? if shortcut the battery it my be blown. Anywyas you could try jump charging it, unplug and plug it in fast, or put it in a outlet which has a switch and try toggling it on and off for some minutes, you may be able to jump it up to the voltage it needs to start charge
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Certain laptop battery manufacturers use a circuit which stores battery charge information, but is itself, "kept alive" by the residual current in (even a dead) battery.
I've seen the case on a number of times that discharging below the "allowed" level causes this circuit to fail, thus the communication between battery and device is incorrect, inaccurate or, at worst, not there at all.
(this is why there are more than just + - on your battery)
You could find the correct recharge rate for the battery - current and voltage - and charge it manually, and hope that said 'battery state circuit' comes back to life, but honestly, I think you'll be, as they say, SOL.
I've had perfectly good laptop batteries, holding a full charge, having a great discharge rate, but the laptop would refuse to accept it, just because of this little circuit.
WARNING: Charging / over charging / charging in a way other than in accordance with the original device literature can VERY likely cause the battery to fail completely, including, but not limited to FIRE or EXPLOSION! DO NOT PROCEED UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LiPo (and LiIon for that matter) are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when used wrongly!
All the above said, have fun, don't blow yourself up, and let us know how you get on. Also, from a personal point of view, I'd be interested to know the 'technical reasons' behind the thought that over-discharging could solve the touch-screen problem - can you remember where you got the info originally?
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This is my second unit and it has touchscreen problems too. I'm not an expert but here is why I did that.
My phone was working normally and had %20 battery left. I went outside and didn't have extra battery or charger so I've used my friend's USB cable and lapto to charge it. After it reached to 44% I unplugged it and saw touchscreen issues started. I've searched and remembered some advices from XDA like discharging and charging may solve it so I gave it a try but it didn't help. Then tried over-discharging and charging but stock here.
What do you mean by charge it manually?
Utking said:
wtf? did you shortcut the battery or the phone? if shortcut the battery it my be blown. Anywyas you could try jump charging it, unplug and plug it in fast, or put it in a outlet which has a switch and try toggling it on and off for some minutes, you may be able to jump it up to the voltage it needs to start charge
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I did short circuit the battery I know sounds crazy but I'm sick of touchscreen issues. Are you saying that I may try connecting it an appropriate charger's output directly like + > + , - > - ?
I'm saying, chances are, it's wrecked. You shouldn't really discharge batteries by short-circuit - that puts massive stresses on the structure of the cells in the battery and probably completely ruins it.
It can also cause excessive heat, which can lead to nasty things happening.
Recharging the battery by connecting + to + and - to - is theoretically possible, however, to do this SAFELY, you would need to know the manufacturer's recommended charge rate, times, voltages etc. They differ greatly.
Do it too slowly, and you just result in a very inefficient trickle-charge, which can sometimes do more harm than good....
Do it too fast - cells in the battery become gaseous, the gas vents, and you have fiery explosions... also not good.
Seriously - I would strongly recommend against playing with it. If you want to see what CAN happen when it goes wrong, YouTube it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw
Insane amounts of energy stored in these batteries
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I'm saying, chances are, it's wrecked. You shouldn't really discharge batteries by short-circuit - that puts massive stresses on the structure of the cells in the battery and probably completely ruins it.
It can also cause excessive heat, which can lead to nasty things happening.
Recharging the battery by connecting + to + and - to - is theoretically possible, however, to do this SAFELY, you would need to know the manufacturer's recommended charge rate, times, voltages etc. They differ greatly.
Do it too slowly, and you just result in a very inefficient trickle-charge, which can sometimes do more harm than good....
Do it too fast - cells in the battery become gaseous, the gas vents, and you have fiery explosions... also not good.
Seriously - I would strongly recommend against playing with it. If you want to see what CAN happen when it goes wrong, YouTube it!!
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Yesterday I connected the battery which is stock 3.7 V to the my digital camera's charger which is 4.25 V, 0.25 A, 50-60 Hz with cables for 6 hours but didn't work. BTW, stock charger is 5V, 1 A and 50-60 Hz.
Can I try jump charge with this camera's charger? If I can, how fast should I connect and disconnect the cable?
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
It should be noted that the Sensation stock battery is LiIon, rather than LiPo, but the effects can be very similar, and just as disasterous if that happens when your battery is in the vicinity of.... anything!!!
I think it's dead mate =/ but just switch it on and off a couple of times in a second
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I think it's dead mate =/ but just switch it on and off a couple of times in a second
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Couple of times in a second? I'm not a Flash man Or Shelden Cooper
Just tried but didn't work.
Short circuited battery? Hopefully it wasn't in the phone. Battery is dead, get Anker.
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Short circuited battery? Hopefully it wasn't in the phone. Battery is dead, get Anker.
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Already ordered stock battery. When Anker is available to Europe I will order it too.
Figure_desire said:
Already ordered stock battery. When Anker is available to Europe I will order it too.
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Then buy the chichitek one, it's awesome and lasts just as long as the anker, if not longer, and they ship to europe! i got two chichitek batteries+ charger for 25$ usd inc shipping to norway