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Imate Jsjar crashes soon after disconnected from charger

My HTC universal crashes ( shuts off) after being disconnected from the charger for only a short while. I have noticed this when trying to make a telephone call and when listening to an audio book on Media.
The device is about 3 years old. The OS is Tomal version 8.5..is it an OS problem or battery problem.
I dont want to invest in a new battery if that is not the problem.

it's the battery!
It has to be the battery,see if it's bulged in the middle...means it has to be replaced.You keep using a near dead battery and one day it may leak/explode and damage your beloved Uni.Just change it.Or borrow one and see how your device performs so you can decide...

I neglected to mention that the battery shows 95 % charged when this happens. I can get back to the device if I plug it in.
Can you recommend a new battery?

rkbrouwer said:
I neglected to mention that the battery shows 95 % charged when this happens. I can get back to the device if I plug it in.
Can you recommend a new battery?
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95% of not much charge is still 95% charged, its the battery. If you look on Ebay you can find batteries quite reasonable, but try to go for an original one.
Jay

Is that really true? The amount that the 95% is applied to is not a fixed amount and decreases over time? If that is so what is the purpose of something that says 95% full? How can I find out what full is?
Imagine a fuel gauge like that. The size of the tank gets smaller and smaller.

Testing your battery
The only true way to test your battery is to measure its voltage. the two larger terminals on the battery are the + and _, the _ is the terminal nearest the corner. test it with a mulimeter, if it is below 3.75 volt then charge it and test again. If it drops below 3.75 volts after a short time then it is worn out. the battery bar on the screen is only a rough idea of power left.
Hope this clears this up for you
Jay

Voltage shouldn't be dropped, it will be same even if there is no charge.
The cell's inside the battery are not capable to retain the charge and immediately returns a signal to the control circuit that he is full! Control circuit then triggers an updates to the memory chip (located under control circuit).
Polling mechanism (triggers by the driver) in the device gets the battery status directly from the memory chip and it is the main reason basically getting a false percentage.
Anyway, just replace the battery and everything will be fine then.

Has anyone tried the suggestions mentioned under XDA wiki before replacing the battery. One alternative was to discharge the battery completely by freezing it and then rechargingt it. Another was to tape the two indicator terminals.

BTW what is the effect of going into "bootloader (by backlight+power+reset button)" as mentioned in solving the battery problem undeer wiki XDAI hope that it does not mean that I have reinstall Mobile 6.1

3 years is old enough for battery, i think its your time to buy a new one.
if you want to try one of that method, i suggest you trying a tape method. i try with my batery (fals indicator) and it work.
going to bootloader for drain your battery. for me i turn on wifi and blue tooth at the same time, set band to G3 and turn GPRS on, and playing music and games. it drain faster

tomal said:
Voltage shouldn't be dropped, it will be same even if there is no charge.
The cell's inside the battery are not capable to retain the charge and immediately returns a signal to the control circuit that he is full! Control circuit then triggers an updates to the memory chip (located under control circuit).
Polling mechanism (triggers by the driver) in the device gets the battery status directly from the memory chip and it is the main reason basically getting a false percentage.
Anyway, just replace the battery and everything will be fine then.
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master chef tomal is right , its the ability or capacity of the battery to hold proper amperage or power. you cannot simply measure the voltage across the terminals as it will not be definitive in ascertaining such holding capacity especially for battery that is about to deteriorate its cells (not yet fully dead).
Of course, if the reading is below than the usual rating, the only logical option is for you to replace it asap. but if its within the range, you have to do further testing.. and, if you want to experiment a little, try to put a load across its terminals like an LED with 1kohm resistor, and then measure the voltage. if it drops drastically, your battery is ready for retirement However, if the voltage rating remains, measure the time your battery will be fully discharged using that load. thereafter, let me know how many hours or day it lasted to help me compute the approximate amperage of your battery, regards... :

Shield battery charging issue?

Anyone having charging issue. I ran my shield battery down when I first got it. Then I plug it in to charger. Its been charging over 8 hours and still not at 100 percent. took it off charge at 80 percent. No way it should take this long. I read on reviews it took like 4 to 5 hours.

evobunny said:
Anyone having charging issue. I ran my shield battery down when I first got it. Then I plug it in to charger. Its been charging over 8 hours and still not at 100 percent. took it off charge at 80 percent. No way it should take this long. I read on reviews it took like 4 to 5 hours.
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You used the charger that it came with? And you're not playing games the entire time it's charging, right?

agrabren said:
You used the charger that it came with? And you're not playing games the entire time it's charging, right?
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yes I use charger that came with it. and it was charging over night when I was sleeping.

That sounds really odd. What does the battery usage say for the device? Was it awake the whole time? Does it think it was charging all night?
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I feel like that has happened on my nexus 7 before. I bet it is an android thing. I would try again and see if it acts up a second time.

agrabren said:
That sounds really odd. What does the battery usage say for the device? Was it awake the whole time? Does it think it was charging all night?
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when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.

evobunny said:
when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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If you go into the "Battery Info" and touch on the graph area, it'll show you below some bars of time spent on different functions (like charging)

evobunny said:
when I was charging, i close the screen. so it went to sleep. I dont know how you can tell if it think it was charging all night. I went to battery info and its said 13.6 hours on battery. and 48 percent of that was screen usage. rest was on game and apps.
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1. Sometimes the battery indicator on Android can take a while to figure out your battery. It might drop 5 percent in ten minutes then take an hour to drop 5 more.
2. The vent area on my Shield seems warmer than the surrounding plastic even when in sleep for a while, so it may be drawing more power than is charging. Just try turning it off and charging it.

oushidian said:
1. Sometimes the battery indicator on Android can take a while to figure out your battery. It might drop 5 percent in ten minutes then take an hour to drop 5 more.
2. The vent area on my Shield seems warmer than the surrounding plastic even when in sleep for a while, so it may be drawing more power than is charging. Just try turning it off and charging it.
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Which vent area? Front or back? Because batteries do warm up when you charge them, and those are some big batteries (and a full 2 amp charge)

agrabren said:
Which vent area? Front or back?
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The smooth part on the bottom back with the model number, FCC, etc. And it's not when I'm charging but when the lid is closed. If I manually power it down then the warm goes away.

i never recommend running your device down when it comes straight out the box. usually i tell people to just fully charge the device first before running it dry therefore it can register the full battery, personally i would not leave a device connected over night just for the simple fact that it can be one in a million that the device might get screwed over a long period of time.
it be nice to know if the problem is fixed or not and what you did just in case others run into this same problem.

ive had no charging issues yet. batts do tend to get nice and warm tho.
but for what its worth i just noticed that im still getting notification sounds from my Shield even tho the lid is closed. so maybe its some kind of hybrid sleep and if you have some rogue app pulling a ton of CPU cycles & its not going into full sleep so its taking longer to charge?
just some food for thought on your issue

s0me guy said:
ive had no charging issues yet. batts do tend to get nice and warm tho.
but for what its worth i just noticed that im still getting notification sounds from my Shield even tho the lid is closed. so maybe its some kind of hybrid sleep and if you have some rogue app pulling a ton of CPU cycles & its not going into full sleep so its taking longer to charge?
just some food for thought on your issue
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Like most Android devices, the device goes to "sleep". Unless you power it off, it still handles notifications, and it still talks on WiFi. But it should consume very little power.

elitecmdr666 said:
i never recommend running your device down when it comes straight out the box. usually i tell people to just fully charge the device first before running it dry therefore it can register the full battery, personally i would not leave a device connected over night just for the simple fact that it can be one in a million that the device might get screwed over a long period of time.
it be nice to know if the problem is fixed or not and what you did just in case others run into this same problem.
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Modern devices use LiPi or Li-ion batteries, these explode when overcharged (seriously, youtube search overcharge lipo). As a result all devices sold with this kind of battery have charge monitoring tools and will disconnect the battery from the charging circuit when full, also they should then run purely from the mains power when the battery is full rather than running on the battery again (they don't like the repeat connect/disconnect effect that would lead to). End result, can't overcharge it.
The heat on mains power tends to be from the voltage regulator. These devices don't run on 5V power like comes from the charger. They tend to use a combo of switch mode and linear regulators to drop the 5V to 3.3V for the CPU and peripherals (3.3 is most common at any rate). Linear regulators in particular get quite warm. Switch mode regulators don't get so warm but don't give a clean output the CPU will run nicely on, they have the odd drop or spike which would either reset or fry the CPU, so generally what happens is the switch mode reg drops a large chunk of the voltage and then feeds it into a linear reg to drop the rest of the way (*the less voltage a linear reg has to drop the less heat it produces). From 5V to 3.3V it is most likely going to be purely a linear regulator, with the CPU and screen drawing at least 1A of current and a 1.7V drop that would equate to 1.7W of heat produced, not much, but enough that if you were to put your finger on the bare regulator chip it would come away red, hold it there long enough and it would be somewhat like those competitions kids have over who can keep their hand on the hot radiator longest That is the main reason they will get hot.
The batteries in these devices are usually 3.7V, that would need a separate regulator from above, and another regulator would still be needed to go from 3.7 > 3.3. 3.7>3.3 would not get so warm. 5>3.7 would still be warm as above.
Never fully drain a LiPo. Gets too low and you damage the cell ir-repairably. When the device claims it is at 0% charge and shuts off is usually closer to 10-20% charge. But that is still considered too low by some people. General advice if you want to prolong the lifetime of your battery is to turn the device off and charge it when it reports somewhere around 5-10% charge.
Batteries do get warm while charging. But my bet is that the voltage regulators would be far more significant heat producers.

agrabren said:
Like most Android devices, the device goes to "sleep". Unless you power it off, it still handles notifications, and it still talks on WiFi. But it should consume very little power.
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good to know. :good: i didnt think closing the lid was the same as pushing the power button on my phone to turn the screen off.
but the OP's problems still might be "sleep" related.
prime example my SGS3 batt life started to tank after the 1st VZW JB update. it took twice as long to charge & would never "sleep" (cuz of the OS not a app) but since the Tegra 4 is a much higher profile chip it could suck a bit more juice if its not being aloud to fully sleep, for whatever reason.
like you said tho, looking at the battery stats could easily tell us if this is the issue.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Modern devices use LiPi or Li-ion batteries, these explode when overcharged (seriously, youtube search overcharge lipo). As a result all devices sold with this kind of battery have charge monitoring tools and will disconnect the battery from the charging circuit when full, also they should then run purely from the mains power when the battery is full rather than running on the battery again (they don't like the repeat connect/disconnect effect that would lead to). End result, can't overcharge it.
The heat on mains power tends to be from the voltage regulator. These devices don't run on 5V power like comes from the charger. They tend to use a combo of switch mode and linear regulators to drop the 5V to 3.3V for the CPU and peripherals (3.3 is most common at any rate). Linear regulators in particular get quite warm. Switch mode regulators don't get so warm but don't give a clean output the CPU will run nicely on, they have the odd drop or spike which would either reset or fry the CPU, so generally what happens is the switch mode reg drops a large chunk of the voltage and then feeds it into a linear reg to drop the rest of the way (*the less voltage a linear reg has to drop the less heat it produces). From 5V to 3.3V it is most likely going to be purely a linear regulator, with the CPU and screen drawing at least 1A of current and a 1.7V drop that would equate to 1.7W of heat produced, not much, but enough that if you were to put your finger on the bare regulator chip it would come away red, hold it there long enough and it would be somewhat like those competitions kids have over who can keep their hand on the hot radiator longest That is the main reason they will get hot.
The batteries in these devices are usually 3.7V, that would need a separate regulator from above, and another regulator would still be needed to go from 3.7 > 3.3. 3.7>3.3 would not get so warm. 5>3.7 would still be warm as above.
Never fully drain a LiPo. Gets too low and you damage the cell ir-repairably. When the device claims it is at 0% charge and shuts off is usually closer to 10-20% charge. But that is still considered too low by some people. General advice if you want to prolong the lifetime of your battery is to turn the device off and charge it when it reports somewhere around 5-10% charge.
Batteries do get warm while charging. But my bet is that the voltage regulators would be far more significant heat producers.
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yes while all this your saying is true i still wont risk it. i say this from experience had a note 10.1 and would leave it over night charging and sure enough it ended up screwing up. might of been there was something wrong with the device itself but still. good post on your behalf though :laugh:
but still im paranoid and prefer to just disconnect once its charge it wont hurt

elitecmdr666 said:
yes while all this your saying is true i still wont risk it. i say this from experience had a note 10.1 and would leave it over night charging and sure enough it ended up screwing up. might of been there was something wrong with the device itself but still. good post on your behalf though :laugh:
but still im paranoid and prefer to just disconnect once its charge it wont hurt
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I tend to go into way too much detail sometimes :/
Disconnecting can't harm it at least if that's what you prefer.
As for info source. Quite into electronics and robotics, intact the shield would make a good controller for robotics purposes

well i did my second charge last night. and this time much faster, about 5 hours to 100 percent. guess i dont have a problem after all. dont know what happen the first time.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
I tend to go into way too much detail sometimes :/
Disconnecting can't harm it at least if that's what you prefer.
As for info source. Quite into electronics and robotics, intact the shield would make a good controller for robotics purposes
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no worries lol i tend to get spaced out at times and go into details does not hurt to enlighten people :good:

[Q] leaving 8013 plugged in ?

Nothing on this came up for the note 10.1 specifically. I use an 8013 with Gnabo v8 KitKat installed.
When my N8013 reaches full charge, I get a message telling me to unplug it. Why ? (Is this just a stupid message or is there really a reason?)
If I am not going to be using the tablet, are there any differences (in battery life, recharge numbers, etc)
caused by keeping the charger on or not?
I have seen many opinions on L-I batteries in general, but nothing specific to the SAMSUNG charger and note 10.1 (2012).
I am looking for something beyond "I do this" or "I believe."
Anybody out there have some tech knowledge on this ??
Many thanks.

I know on my 8013 with the old bootloader and Kit Kat it will not charge powered off and often acts funny while charging anyway. I personally cycle my batteries on all devices from full to empty and have not had any battery replacement problems..
the last time I attempted to leave one plugged in all the time was a cheaper phone a couple of years ago and the battery swelled up and almost exploded. Besides the normal dangers of just having a plug in hanging out of your device all the time could wear out your socket. I like my device too much to leave it plugged in all the time and take a risk. & I do believe it would be a risk IMO.
now I use a kernel and it allows modification of charging amperage and that may help to lower that for constant plugin and I would feel safe when I have my tablet in my vehicle and plugged in to a low or trickle charger on a mount and leaving it constant. But personally under normal use and not dash mounted I would never consider leaving it plugged in constant. You should try it and report back any hardware damages jk. I have not read of any..
and you're just asking besides like the common sense things ?like saving energy ?, or reduceing heat passing through your charger and device, because of constant electricity flow, remember the more heat you are causing in piece of equipment the more damage and wear and less overall time you get out of that device whether it be a charger, battery, circuit board etc.

jimyv said:
I know on my 8013 with the old bootloader and Kit Kat it will not charge powered off (mine charges) and often acts funny while charging anyway. I personally cycle my batteries on all devices from full to empty and have not had any battery replacement problems..
the last time I attempted to leave one plugged in all the time was a cheaper phone a couple of years ago and the battery swelled up and almost exploded. Besides the normal dangers of just having a plug in hanging out of your device all the time could wear out your socket. I like my device too much to leave it plugged in all the time and take a risk. & I do believe it would be a risk IMO. (Does the oem charger have overcharge protection? Will the 8013 stop charging when 100% - these are the big questions.)
now I use a kernel and it allows modification of charging amperage and that may help to lower that for constant plugin and I would feel safe when I have my tablet in my vehicle and plugged in to a low or trickle charger on a mount and leaving it constant. But personally under normal use and not dash mounted I would never consider leaving it plugged in constant. You should try it and report back any hardware damages jk. I have not read of any..
and you're just asking besides like the common sense things ?like saving energy ? (If it stops charging on full charge - there is no energy waste), or reduceing heat passing through your charger and device, because of constant electricity flow, remember the more heat you are causing in piece of equipment the more damage and wear and less overall time you get out of that device whether it be a charger, battery, circuit board etc.
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Thanks for opinion.

mangurian said:
Thanks for opinion.
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well of course they are designed to stop charging when they are 100%. the real question is how far down will it allows to discharge before it starts charging again? My experience is almost none ...you'll never see it leave a hundred percent. so basically you're charging all the time and cycling the charger unit . you have also modified your device and even unmodified ones there are no guarantees such as life. And anything plugged into a plugin is using some amount of current. And I have burned up several chargers through many devices by leaving them plugged in to the devices for extended periods of time while in use.I can say for certain leaving them plugged in constantly you are going to be buying chargers at the very minimum.
for me if Samsung is asking me to do this it is because they have it designed into their product for longevity reasons. They have millions upon millions of hours invested into wear dating these products used in a specific manner Who am I to try to reengineer the wheel. to me it's not even an arguable discussion do what's your opinion wishes you to do. Again I'm sure they know more than you..about what's best for their devices. For if longevity only.
I'm sure if you needed a detailed analysis of what's going on with your hardware when you're plugged in maybe Samsung technical hotline could be assistance to you. Seems to be more of a hardware engineer question to me..imo
of course with root privileges you can pretty much set up any charge schedule you would like to do as far as when to begin charging when to shut off charging screen off screen on etc and how much amperage you wished to consistently charge..
so basically if you are going to use the device against the design. (portable) then you should probably set up your own charging parameters and behaviors. To extend your device life. For example when I have mine in dock position in my vehicle .it is set to only charge 1 amp from charger key on power only and screen on while charging . And this allows my device to cycle on the battery when vehicle is not running. Reduces heat in my unit. and does not burn up my chargers

IF the Lithium-ion battery in my phone was to die, would it still work plugged in?

A theoretical question... IF the Lithium-ion battery in any modern phone or tablet etc was to completely die, would it still work plugged in?
But more importantly I want to know IF the battery in my phone was being completely dead right now, because of wear and tear and charging it alot, could I still use my phone with a micro USB powerpack/battery bank constantly connected to it?
Thanks

simonwela said:
A theoretical question... IF the Lithium-ion battery in any modern phone or tablet etc was to completely die, would it still work plugged in?
But more importantly I want to know IF the battery in my phone was being completely dead right now, because of wear and tear and charging it alot, could I still use my phone with a micro USB powerpack/battery bank constantly connected to it?
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generally speaking, no and no.

bweN diorD said:
generally speaking, no and no.
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Alright. But I guess if there's like 10% of the capacity of the battery left, like a couple years from now, it could work maybe? If you have a phone with a non-changeable battery.

It is possible bro

Like the above said, if the battery is not completely dead and has some capacity left, it will work. But it case the battery is completely dead it will not.

simonwela said:
Alright. But I guess if there's like 10% of the capacity of the battery left, like a couple years from now, it could work maybe? If you have a phone with a non-changeable battery.
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yes, if there is any battery left it will work, but you asked if it were possible if the battery was "completely dead", in which case my answer of no is accurate.
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It is possible bro
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if the battery is "completely dead", no, its not.

If battery is 100% dead then.
Grab a charger and multiply the current written on it with 100.
If the value is somewatn very close ro the battery mAh then that charget could so the trick.
And charger above 1.8A is really hard to get. So to charge bayteries more than 2000mAh can be hard.
Who knows what will work try out the method with 2800mAh . may be it works

droid_god said:
If battery is 100% dead then.
Grab a charger and multiply the current written on it with 100.
If the value is somewatn very close ro the battery mAh then that charget could so the trick.
And charger above 1.8A is really hard to get. So to charge bayteries more than 2000mAh can be hard.
Who knows what will work try out the method with 2800mAh . may be it works
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your help is appreciated, but you shouldnt comment on such things you know nothing about.
i can get chargers over 1.8a all day no problem.
im not sure what you are trying to explain with all the charger vs battery stuff, but there was no question of an adequate charger.
you seem to be suggesting charging at a higher rate will some how revive a dead battery.
thats just not true. if the battery is dead from reaching the end of its life span as the op suggests in his query, it can not be revived.
further more, you could use a 1,000,000mah charger and it would do or fix nothing.
as long as the charger used can output the amount required by the phone, it doesnt matter how big the charger is beyond that.
there is a charging circuit in all devices that regulate the rate the batteries charge to prevent damage to the battery or device.
chargers dont push out the a or ma listed on them, that value of amperage is the maximum that can be pulled from it.

bweN diorD said:
yes, if there is any battery left it will work, but you asked if it were possible if the battery was "completely dead", in which case my answer of no is accurate.
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I understand. Thanks for the answer!
I have an old laptop (like 10 years old), that has a completely dead battery and won't boot if it isn't plugged in, but it does work when it's plugged in, so I thought that maybe it would be the same thing here, but of course not, it makes sense that it's different.
But even with a new, modern phone, I guess it would be hard to completely kill the battery, even when charging it alot?
I mean, even if I would charge it 2 times everyday for 5 years, maybe it would still have some percent left of it's battery capacity, maybe 10% or something, and then it would work.

simonwela said:
I understand. Thanks for the answer!
I have an old laptop (like 10 years old), that has a completely dead battery and won't boot if it isn't plugged in, but it does work when it's plugged in, so I thought that maybe it would be the same thing here, but of course not, it makes sense that it's different.
But even with a new, modern phone, I guess it would be hard to completely kill the battery, even when charging it alot?
I mean, even if I would charge it 2 times everyday for 5 years, maybe it would still have some percent left of it's battery capacity, maybe 10% or something, and then it would work.
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its fairly rare to see a battery go completely dead from just being worn out. usually users will replace it when it gets to some point of limited usefulness.
sure some times they die from defect, and some times they die from users running down until 0 and the phone shuts off.
the latter trips a safety in the battery and makes it all but useless. this can be fixed, but thats another discussion.
i dont know how laptop batteries work with respect to charge.
phones though, i have seen from experience. when the battery is completely dead the phone will not start even plugged in, until it takes a small amount of charge, to be able to sustain the device on the battery while charging.
as long as your battery can sustain this minimal amount of charge, it should work while plugged in.
there really is no way to tell if, or how long, it will be able to maintain this low charge state. any stress on the battery from heavy use is likely to cause it to shut off until it reaches the minimum threshold again.
also when the battery is this weak, its possible for some sort of internal fault, resulting in the loss of ability to accept even the smallest of charge.
if your battery gets to this weak state, its best to just get a new one. even if its a cheap knock off that doesnt work as good as the old one used to. at least you will have something to work with, and not be worried from day to day if it will work or not.
i hope this clears things up for you

bweN diorD said:
its fairly rare to see a battery go completely dead from just being worn out. usually users will replace it when it gets to some point of limited usefulness.
sure some times they die from defect, and some times they die from users running down until 0 and the phone shuts off.
the latter trips a safety in the battery and makes it all but useless. this can be fixed, but thats another discussion.
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Oh, that's good to know.
And I'm not so worried about that, I never let my phone drop below 10% and most often I charge it when it hits 20% and charge it up to 90%. I believe that's the best for the battery.
I am kinda regretting now that I bought a Xperia Z5C though, I don't like that the battery isn't changeable. But it's a great phone other than that, so I think it will be okay. And the battery is quite high capacity so I hope that it will work fine for at least 3 years, even if I charge it daily.
ETA: Interestingly, I had a Xperia Z1 before this phone, and I had the Z1 for a litte more than 2 years, and charged it almost everyday, and the battery on it was fine, or more than that, it was Good, I was getting 4-5 hours screen time on a charge just a month ago.. So??? I shouldn't be worrying about this anymore and instead enjoy my new phone
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i hope this clears things up for you
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It did! Thank you.

simonwela said:
Oh, that's good to know.
And I'm not so worried about that, I never let my phone drop below 10% and most often I charge it when it hits 20% and charge it up to 90%. I believe that's the best for the battery.
I am kinda regretting now that I bought a Xperia Z5C though, I don't like that the battery isn't changeable. But it's a great phone other than that, so I think it will be okay. And the battery is quite high capacity so I hope that it will work fine for at least 3 years, even if I charge it daily.
ETA: Interestingly, I had a Xperia Z1 before this phone, and I had the Z1 for a litte more than 2 years, and charged it almost everyday, and the battery on it was fine, or more than that, it was Good, I was getting 4-5 hours screen time on a charge just a month ago.. So??? I shouldn't be worrying about this anymore and instead enjoy my new phone
It did! Thank you.
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many users run the phone to 0 often without issue, but its really a horrible thing to do. there are many documented cases of it not turning on any more, however likely small compared to the amount of times its done. i was just making the facts known that the safety is there, and there is a risk of tripping it.
the problem would be compounded on a sealed phone, as the only fix requires you to take the battery out.
your charging cycle is very good for getting the max life from your battery :good: not too low and not too high.
many will argue this, and claim the benefit is very small, but according to the experts at battery university, not too low and not too high is the best way to get max life from these types of batteries. it keeps the stress levels while charging out of the highest ranges.

simonwela said:
I understand. Thanks for the answer!
I have an old laptop (like 10 years old), that has a completely dead battery and won't boot if it isn't plugged in, but it does work when it's plugged in, so I thought that maybe it would be the same thing here, but of course not, it makes sense that it's different.
But even with a new, modern phone, I guess it would be hard to completely kill the battery, even when charging it alot?
I mean, even if I would charge it 2 times everyday for 5 years, maybe it would still have some percent left of it's battery capacity, maybe 10% or something, and then it would work.
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Laptop chargers are a bit different from the android chargers.
Laptop chargers are designed to handel heavy charges which charges the battery at at its rated voltage. Like a 12volt laptop charger will charge a 12volt battery. Thats why with battery dead charger can handel all the work.
Android is a bit different.
Its chargers are rated of higher voltagea than battery.
Thats a good thing because at higher voltages we requir less ampere of current per hour to charge it.
I mean to say in previous post that if you grab a charger for your device just pullout the battery and use any other device battery for first boot. And when it start booting then you can just remove that battery and device will run on chrger.

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Laptop chargers are a bit different from the android chargers.
Laptop chargers are designed to handel heavy charges which charges the battery at at its rated voltage. Like a 12volt laptop charger will charge a 12volt battery. Thats why with battery dead charger can handel all the work.
Android is a bit different.
Its chargers are rated of higher voltagea than battery.
Thats a good thing because at higher voltages we requir less ampere of current per hour to charge it.
I mean to say in previous post that if you grab a charger for your device just pullout the battery and use any other device battery for first boot. And when it start booting then you can just remove that battery and device will run on chrger.
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all batteries charge at a higher rate than they are rated at, phone, laptop, car, doesnt matter.
if they didnt, they would take a very long time to reach full charge, and could only do so if not being used.
i would like to see some proof that a phone will stay on booted, with no battery. post some links for me to review please.

I have done it i will send you a video ok

What about cpuZ?!

SofianeBlade said:
What about cpuZ?!
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"what about" you read the forum rules, particularly the part that says not to spam threads with off topic posts.

Dummy Battery Problem

First of all, i have removed the battery from the tablet and i am supplying energy from the battery terminals (in this case, i want to be able to use my charging socket for the “OTG function”)
Even though giving the constant 4.2 volt electricity with this technic, battery gauge still drains from the tablet
im using chinese branded device as tablet by the way.Device is rooted with Android 10 go edition in it.
Normally, it has 2000mAh battery and the draining speed/principle is same as the above scenario
i’m waiting for the solution ideas or any suggestions

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Lithium ion batteries should NEVER be directly charged with a power source. Tablets and phones have charging controllers that regulate the charging current and voltage to avoid overcharging the battery, which at best reduces battery life, and at worst can cause catastrophic failure - including explosion and fire.

V0latyle said:
What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Lithium ion batteries should NEVER be directly charged with a power source. Tablets and phones have charging controllers that regulate the charging current and voltage to avoid overcharging the battery, which at best reduces battery life, and at worst can cause catastrophic failure - including explosion and fire.
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First of all, thank you for thinking of me. I am an experienced electronic engineer and have knowledge of Li-ion batteries. For the project that I am working on, I have to not use batteries due to the variation in ambient temperature.
Since I know that a fully charged battery provides 4.2 volts of energy, i remove the battery and so, supply this voltage from the place where the battery should normally be inserted.
When I turn on the tablet, the battery percentage shows 100%, after 20 minutes it drops to 85% approximately.
I don’t give the direct energy to the battery btw, on the contrary, i’m giving the energy from another source that the battery should normally give.
The attached photo can help you to have an idea for the situation
I just need to prevent the system for lowering the battery level as if like there is still battery in the tablet

brkedmrts said:
First of all, thank you for thinking of me. I am an experienced electronic engineer and have knowledge of Li-ion batteries. For the project that I am working on, I have to not use batteries due to the variation in ambient temperature.
Since I know that a fully charged battery provides 4.2 volts of energy, i remove the battery and so, supply this voltage from the place where the battery should normally be inserted.
When I turn on the tablet, the battery percentage shows 100%, after 20 minutes it drops to 85% approximately.
I don’t give the direct energy to the battery btw, on the contrary, i’m giving the energy from another source that the battery should normally give.
The attached photo can help you to have an idea for the situation
I just need to prevent the system for lowering the battery level as if like there is still battery in the tablet
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Oh okay, I suspected that's what you were doing, I was just trying to make sure in the interest of safety and all that. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt...
It's really hard to say why the battery gauge reports 85% even though you're supplying 4.2 volts of power. Depending on the firmware, Android battery gauges aren't simple voltmeters that simply display a percentage based on a certain voltage curve. They're a bit more advanced than that, and factor in the load on the battery too.
Here is a better explanation on how the systems work.

I would like to add another question that makes me wonder, will the battery percentage stay constant somewhere and/or will it start to rise after some point?
If there is no way to prevent the battery from decreasing in terms of software, I don't want the screen to go black when it reaches 15% and turn off at 0%. I'm going to make a supercapacitor and a modification to charge.
Or if I arrange the android as if there is a battery near infinity, I think that I can almost stop the battery percentage decrease rate, is that logic possible?

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brkedmrts said:
I would like to add another question that makes me wonder, will the battery percentage stay constant somewhere and/or will it start to rise after some point?
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I honestly don't know.
brkedmrts said:
If there is no way to prevent the battery from decreasing in terms of software, I don't want the screen to go black when it reaches 15% and turn off at 0%. I'm going to make a supercapacitor and a modification to charge.
Or if I arrange the android as if there is a battery near infinity, I think that I can almost stop the battery percentage decrease rate, is that logic possible?
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If you're powering the device via a constant DC supply that doesn't drop voltage under load, I would imagine the battery indicator would eventually stop at some point and just remain at a certain percentage. Again, this depends on what sort of controller the device has; if it's an adaptive learning battery management system, it might be ignoring the supply voltage, and is calculating how much power the device has used so far. Eventually it'll figure out that the voltage isn't dropping as expected, but I have absolutely no idea what it'll do.
I'd say just leave it playing video or something for a while and see what happens.

V0latyle said:
I honestly don't know.
If you're powering the device via a constant DC supply that doesn't drop voltage under load, I would imagine the battery indicator would eventually stop at some point and just remain at a certain percentage. Again, this depends on what sort of controller the device has; if it's an adaptive learning battery management system, it might be ignoring the supply voltage, and is calculating how much power the device has used so far. Eventually it'll figure out that the voltage isn't dropping as expected, but I have absolutely no idea what it'll do.
I'd say just leave it playing video or something for a while and see what happens.
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I had decided to try my super capacitor idea. However, For a device whose charge level drops while charging with its original battery installed, this was not very wise.
but I added a capacitor as shown in the attached image and I've been testing it for 25 minutes.
battery percentage 99% for last 20 minutes.I t hope I managed to manipulate it somehow.
I will be sharing the results,Also, thank you for your interest.

brkedmrts said:
I had decided to try my super capacitor idea. However, For a device whose charge level drops while charging with its original battery installed, this was not very wise.
but I added a capacitor as shown in the attached image and I've been testing it for 25 minutes.
battery percentage 99% for last 20 minutes.I t hope I managed to manipulate it somehow.
I will be sharing the results,Also, thank you for your interest.
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Hey there, were you able to work it out?