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[Q] [Opinion] Why do all the roms look the same?

Hi.
I don't post much, I know, but I've been a lurker for quite a while. Anyway, long story short, I had a SGS for a while and by then (when it was new and shiny and the best thing of the world) every (or almost every) custom rom had something that distinguished it from the others (even with all the locked and closed source stuff). Either a new launcher, supercharged scripts, themes... you probably know what I mean. Fast-forward to 2014 and here I am with a brand new Nexus 5 with readily available source and binaries... I mean it's the or one of the most open phones in the world.
But, every custom ROM, be it stock or CM based, looks the same to me. Sure, names differ a lot (Dark UI, Black Carbon Fibers or whatever it is) but the overall functionality is the same. Innovation (or Imagination?) is near null values.
Apart from a few (SlimKat comes to mind even tho it has much of the functionality of the others, it's quite small in size compared) every rom looks the same. Not to mention there is quite less roms available for the device than for others.
Note that by saying this I mean no disrespect to the cookers or kitchen teams. Their work is highly appreciated.
Is it just me? Am I missing something?

Because every dev is building their ROMs using the same source.

Xeon3D said:
Hi.
I don't post much, I know, but I've been a lurker for quite a while. Anyway, long story short, I had a SGS for a while and by then (when it was new and shiny and the best thing of the world) every (or almost every) custom rom had something that distinguished it from the others (even with all the locked and closed source stuff). Either a new launcher, supercharged scripts, themes... you probably know what I mean. Fast-forward to 2014 and here I am with a brand new Nexus 5 with readily available source and binaries... I mean it's the or one of the most open phones in the world.
But, every custom ROM, be it stock or CM based, looks the same to me. Sure, names differ a lot (Dark UI, Black Carbon Fibers or whatever it is) but the overall functionality is the same. Innovation (or Imagination?) is near null values.
Apart from a few (SlimKat comes to mind even tho it has much of the functionality of the others, it's quite small in size compared) every rom looks the same. Not to mention there is quite less roms available for the device than for others.
Note that by saying this I mean no disrespect to the cookers or kitchen teams. Their work is highly appreciated.
Is it just me? Am I missing something?
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by look the same, you mean theming? you can do your own theming. nexus devices are lucky, they have access to source and the binaries, the other devices dont. from what i see, most other devices try to get aosp working on them, but dont fully or in a non hacky way. so they try other stuff with their roms, like more theming. people mostly buy nexus devices because they lack all the oem thrown in stuff and run pure android. the developers buy nexus devices for the same reason. generally, there isnt much demand for theming a nexus rom. nexus people like the basic android ui, as well as the developers. plus, id say that the over all age of nexus users is a little older than other android phones, and theming is more prefered by children and teenagers.
oh, and btw, nexus developers only use open source code, as its illegal to publish anything public using closed sourced code. anyways, nexus is all ooen source code, except for the binaries.

While all my examples were about theming, I didn't want to focus just on theming. I don't see roms using custom launchers or even a custom theme or kernel.. Nor do they integrate apps from other devices or from the market/devs here on XDA. Every cm11 based rom is pretty much the same functionality wise and I don't even want to talk about the stock based ones.
I thought that nexus owners being them users or developers bought the devices because it would be easier to use or create custom roms for them due to the openness of the system.
Also if it is illegal to post stuff with closed source code (and I know it is) why do all the other devices have a ****load of roms with proprietary stuff in them?? They're still pretty much available here (I'm thinking of the live with Walkman forum)..
Most roms there have stuff from newer and better devices which do actually work and that phone is really poor on terms of hardware specs.
It seems to me that most cookers for the nexus 5 are cooking the same dish but calling it different names because they might plate it In a different way.
It's a bit late now for me now, but I guess sooner or later I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.

Xeon3D said:
While all my examples were about theming, I didn't want to focus just on theming. I don't see roms using custom launchers or even a custom theme or kernel.. Nor do they integrate apps from other devices or from the market/devs here on XDA. Every cm11 based rom is pretty much the same functionality wise and I don't even want to talk about the stock based ones.
I thought that nexus owners being them users or developers bought the devices because it would be easier to use or create custom roms for them due to the openness of the system.
Also if it is illegal to post stuff with closed source code (and I know it is) why do all the other devices have a ****load of roms with proprietary stuff in them?? They're still pretty much available here (I'm thinking of the live with Walkman forum)..
Most roms there have stuff from newer and better devices which do actually work and that phone is really poor on terms of hardware specs.
It seems to me that most cookers for the nexus 5 are cooking the same dish but calling it different names because they might plate it In a different way.
It's a bit late now for me now, but I guess sooner or later I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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well, then nexus romming wont be right for you.
on second thought, the nexus 5 is definitely not right for you.
there are many roms that include custom kernels. and, there is a large number of custom kernels that you yourself can CHOOSE to flash on your own.
and the thing about nexus devices, all of them, is that they dont include bloat. which is another reason people buy them. the far majority of people here dont want roms to add more apps. again, you can do that on your own. it gives you choice of what you want, and you dont. many here like roms debloated.
and you talk about cm as its something big. cm isnt big for the nexus 5, its aosp. thats what people want. they want the pureness. not the over-hacked bloated of a rom. and again, thats what people buy nexus devices. we have full source. no over hackery needed, its clean and pure.
the proprietary stuff comes with the phones already, so people that buy those phones have a right to it. anyways, people that arent part of open source steal it. sometimes they get in trouble, sometimes they dont. legally, they can get in trouble if they distribute it. people that are part of open source respect others rights, and adhere to the rules and practices.
and there are two kinds of developer forums here, if you haven't noticed. android development and original development. in original development, they create an original piece of work. in android development, they take whats already out there, and do what they want with it.
it also seems as you think of the same and original works are about features. well, they are not. most of it is going to be inside the rom itself. like things that add speed, smoothness, and efficiency. most of the features are just added into the roms later, what its users like.
there are so many ways that you can make a rom your own, original. there are multitudes of ways you can mod what you are running. be creative, set it up as you personally like. make it yours.

Xeon3D said:
I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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Don't post it here. It will be against the rules.
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Whatever you say we all love our Nexus 5 and what it offers..

shadowdevil said:
Whatever you say we all love our Nexus 5 and what it offers..
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I do love mine as well.
rootSU said:
Don't post it here. It will be against the rules.
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Really? There's one already available here (even tho it's outdated), that I found out in the OP of this Stickied Thread
simms22 said:
well, then nexus romming wont be right for you.
on second thought, the nexus 5 is definitely not right for you.
there are many roms that include custom kernels. and, there is a large number of custom kernels that you yourself can CHOOSE to flash on your own.
and the thing about nexus devices, all of them, is that they dont include bloat. which is another reason people buy them. the far majority of people here dont want roms to add more apps. again, you can do that on your own. it gives you choice of what you want, and you dont. many here like roms debloated.
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Well, I never meant to say that I wanted bloated roms. I understand the Nexus thing with AOSP, I really do. But while I agree that it having AOSP with full source and absolutely no bloat is its greater selling point (and one of the reasons I bought it), I'd think that if people with "closed devices" are tinkering with their devices in order to make them faster/nicer/prettier/<insert adjective here>, that a device for which there is full source and binary blobs compatible with every android version released after the device's released date, people would be more inclined to make custom roms that differ a bit more/offer more functionaly than AOSP. One of the things with open-source is freedom of choice, and sure, if you want pureness by all means go AOSP, but what if you don't? While AOSP is pure, it's lacking quite some features we've come to love on other phones...
simms22 said:
and you talk about cm as its something big. cm isnt big for the nexus 5, its aosp. thats what people want. they want the pureness. not the over-hacked bloated of a rom. and again, thats what people buy nexus devices. we have full source. no over hackery needed, its clean and pure.
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Again, see my previous point. If we have full source, we should have less issues while creating something more functional, prettier than people with closed devices.
simms22 said:
the proprietary stuff comes with the phones already, so people that buy those phones have a right to it. anyways, people that arent part of open source steal it. sometimes they get in trouble, sometimes they dont. legally, they can get in trouble if they distribute it. people that are part of open source respect others rights, and adhere to the rules and practices.
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Sure they have rights to it, as long as it is from the same device. Having a Xperia Z1 or T lockscreen or system UI on a LWW rom tho? I know it's illegal (on most countries) yet it is "accepted" here. I don't want stuff from another phone in my Nexus, but in the market there are so many good alternatives to AOSP/CM defaults that I find it strange that everyone is using either the AOSP Launcher (which has almost nil features and settings) or Launcher3 (or whatever it's called, which has like 1 or 2 more features than the AOSP launcher) and this is just a simple example.

Xeon3D said:
Really? There's one already available here (even tho it's outdated), that I found out in the OP of this Stickied Thread
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Thats a list of roms, kernels and mods. It just gives people links. It does not seek to compare. Its comparison that is not allowed

rootSU said:
Thats a list of roms, kernels and mods. It just gives people links. It does not seek to compare. Its comparison that is not allowed
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he's talking about the google excel spreadsheet that compares the features. its a link in the thread.

Zepius said:
he's talking about the google excel spreadsheet that compares the features. its a link in the thread.
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I guess it's been missed by the moderators then as any comparison is against the rules.

rootSU said:
I guess it's been missed by the moderators then as any comparison is against the rules.
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Is this an xda-wide rule? I've seen posts such as this one for quite a while now.
source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-s/general/war-obscurity-enter-risk-t2551028
Xeon3D said:
If we have full source, we should have less issues while creating something more functional, prettier than people with closed devices.
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You mean you expect devs here to build a rom that is quite similar to touchwiz, sense, and miui?

Xeon3D said:
Again, see my previous point. If we have full source, we should have less issues while creating something more functional, prettier than people with closed devices.
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prettier.. you do realized pretty is in the eye of the beholder? whats pretty to you is ugly as sin to me.
anyways, about creating something new and more functional.. the devs here work for free, on their own time. they have full time jobs, families, kids, and so on. they dont get paid for their efforts, or otberwise rewarded. where are they supposed to get the time for it? by the time they cteate something new, a new version of android will come out, and what they made will be looked past, among other things. maybe if we had full time xda devs.
what you need to do is create a rom yourself, or "shut up". as what you are posting is very disrespectful to the developers that we do have here.

rootSU said:
I guess it's been missed by the moderators then as any comparison is against the rules.
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The forum rules don't say anything about this. The only thing that seems similar is the "no best rom threads," but there's nothing about not being allowed to create a comparison thread.
Anyway, I think there are a few reasons for what the OP is saying.
The SGS ran a custom manufacturer skin, so you would have an assortment of TouchWiz ROMs and AOSP ROMs that would seem to lead to more variety.
Although it has always been possible to run a custom launcher, Google has made it much easier/more seamlessly integrated with the addition of the Home settings. There's no real reason to integrate a custom launcher unless you're building your own, which CM does still include.
With the Theme Engine you don't see too many ROMs integrating their own themes. SlimKat does still have TRDS which is basically a custom theme.

raptir said:
The forum rules don't say anything about this. The only thing that seems similar is the "no best rom threads," but there's nothing about not being allowed to create a comparison thread.
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It's right up there in the general forum. It's a STICKIE! I don't know how you missed it.
Anyways here's the thread made by a moderator where it's clearly written that any kind of comparison threads aren't allowed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/message-moderators-users-please-read-t2500184
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ej8989 said:
Is this an xda-wide rule?
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Yes it is. Comparison threads are frowned upon everywhere.

vin4yak said:
It's right up there in the general forum. It's a STICKIE! I don't know how you missed it.
Anyways here's the thread made by a moderator where it's clearly written that any kind of comparison threads aren't allowed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/message-moderators-users-please-read-t2500184
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Yes it is. Comparison threads are frowned upon everywhere.
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IMHO, the list about OP is talking about is much more a "feature list" than a "comparison list".

vfmmeo said:
IMHO, the list about OP is talking about is much more a "feature list" than a "comparison list".
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I didn't quote the OP, did I?? I was replying to the other two.

vfmmeo said:
IMHO, the list about OP is talking about is much more a "feature list" than a "comparison list".
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lol, the op is NOT talking features. he wants to compare Roms for oiriginality, that isn't a feature list.

vin4yak said:
It's right up there in the general forum. It's a STICKIE! I don't know how you missed it.
Anyways here's the thread made by a moderator where it's clearly written that any kind of comparison threads aren't allowed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/message-moderators-users-please-read-t2500184
I missed it because we're in the Q&A forum not the general forum
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simms22 said:
lol, the op is NOT talking features. he wants to compare Roms for oiriginality, that isn't a feature list.
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Xeon3D said:
It's a bit late now for me now, but I guess sooner or later I'm going to create a deviation of the rom list available as a Google document here and try every rom and compare them feature wise. So I can know for sure if I'm right with what I say here or if it's just a product of my imagination.
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Is anyOne making Rom's for this honor 8

i am thinking of investing in this phone since its now entered the uk market.
but i look on this site when getting a new android and for this i see very little custom rom.
is this going to get a better community going or should i get a better well known phone.?

The mainly disscution is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/source-code-t3456225
So far, no source code and no custom ROM yet.

raazaonex said:
i am thinking of investing in this phone since its now entered the uk market.
but i look on this site when getting a new android and for this i see very little custom rom.
is this going to get a better community going or should i get a better well known phone.?
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How are We supposed to know? If you are not going to build them yourself, nobody will (at the moment). It will happen like with the Honor 4C, Honor 7, Huawei P8 Lite, etc...

It's being worked on!

ddrager said:
It's being worked on!
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Are you? Could you please provide some information about the project?

Jeez sorry guy's just wanted to know if anyone knew any mod's on here who are creating rom's for this. i got the phone today anyway, will just use as stock untill,,,,,,,,,,,,
I would make my own rom for this if it was like the year 2009

jerryhou85 said:
The mainly disscution is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/source-code-t3456225
So far, no source code and no custom ROM yet.
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thanks for your great info. didnt see the main discussion threads....
thanks man

Great to see someone still supporting the red's. everyone in manc turned blue

ROM Hexa-project. Some devoloper for Natrium? Please

I offer myself as a tester. I don't know to compile ROMS

Perhaps you should try RR and feedback missing features? I wouldn't expect anything until the kernel source is released though.

I don't understand because Xiaomi has this politic. Xiaomi has that to sell first a new model for free source code of others old models. My great dissolusion with Xiaomi only to sell her software she doesn't allow that the community developers do their great work with this fantastics ROM for example LineageOs, AICP, Hexa-project, Resurrection Remix, Etc......

coco19821961 said:
I don't understand because Xiaomi has this politic. Xiaomi has that to sell first a new model for free source code of others old models. My great dissolusion with Xiaomi only to sell her software she doesn't allow that the community developers do their great work with this fantastics ROM for example LineageOs, AICP, Hexa-project, Resurrection Remix, Etc......
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My man, I fully understand your point, hell I share it.
But you bought the phone fully knowing this was going to happen. If you did not you flat out did not do your homework.
Xiaomi is always lagging heavily on releasing their sources and has always been very vague regarding their release dates. Heck they often simply drop it out of nowhere.
If you wanted the source code NOW and this was not debatable you should have bought the 3T.

UsernameNotRecognized said:
My man, I fully understand your point.
But you bought the phone fully knowing this was going to happen. If you did not you flat out did not do your homework.
Xiaomi is always lagging heavily on releasing their sources and has always been very vague regarding their release dates. Heck they often simply drop it out of nowhere.
If you wanted the source code NOW and this was not debatable you should have bought the 3T.
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I did not know. I am sorry by my ignorance. I bought this device because It seems to me very good and It has a great hardware, but her software I don't like

coco19821961 said:
I did not know. I am sorry by my ignorance. I bought this device because It seems to me very good and It has a great hardware, but her software I don't like
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It just strikes me as very odd that one is willing to throw at least 400 bucks without checking how active rom development is.
I bought this phone with the idea that the source code will be released before end of may.
If it does not happen I'd be quite sad, but the current RR is actually really ****ing good. I don't actually mind as much.
So, once again, referring to my first post, did you even try RR?

This work is for @NexusPenguin, friend if you have a little time can you please try to compile Hexa-Project and ValidusOS

UsernameNotRecognized said:
It just strikes me as very odd that one is willing to throw at least 400 bucks without checking how active rom development is.
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Hi,
LOL... Don't forget that, on the other side of the river, I mean the iOS side, people spend 1000 bucks on their phone not even knowing what development and custom ROM even is as even the concept can hardly be imagined
I'll try to compile Validus (I'm part of the GZR team anyways so it was planned right after I got Tipsy to boot) and Hexa-OS (that I didn't know before).
I'll keep you put here of course
Regards.

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
LOL... Don't forget that, on the other side of the river, I mean the iOS side, people spend 1000 bucks on their phone not even knowing what development and custom ROM even is as even the concept can hardly be imagined
I'll try to compile Validus (I'm part of the GZR team anyways so it was planned right after I got Tipsy to boot) and Hexa-OS (that I didn't know before).
I'll keep you put here of course
Regards.
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Thanks man, i like you thinking!

coco19821961 said:
I offer myself as a tester. I don't know to compile ROMS
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Hi,
I've looked at the Hexa-OS project.
I think you should give up all hope to have it ported to mi5s Plus.
The Hexa-OS is a purely NON-CAF project meant only for Google devices (Nexus Line and Pixel Line).
It can be ported for other devices, but that will require a lot of work and specific skills that I do not have and do not intend to acquire.
But I am in the Validus team and will try to build, even though I already face problems
But I ALWAYS had problems with Validus
Regards.

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
I've looked at the Hexa-OS project.
I think you should give up all hope to have it ported to mi5s Plus.
The Hexa-OS is a purely NON-CAF project meant only for Google devices (Nexus Line and Pixel Line).
It can be ported for other devices, but that will require a lot of work and specific skills that I do not have and do not intend to acquire.
But I am in the Validus team and will try to build, even though I already face problems
But I ALWAYS had problems with Validus
Regards.
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Hello. THANK YOU! By your good work

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
LOL... Don't forget that, on the other side of the river, I mean the iOS side, people spend 1000 bucks on their phone not even knowing what development and custom ROM even is as even the concept can hardly be imagined
Regards.
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I didn't imply to refer to the whole community, heck I figure +95% gives negative ****s about custom ROMs.
It just strikes me as odd that people who actually care about ROM development don't bother to check its popularity beforehand.
Especially if it's more than 200 bucks.
Good to know you're ontop of this, I'll await the times of the released kernels and sail the seas of unrestricted ROM development

Hi,
Look at this thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5s-plus/development/rom-hexa-project-t3586559
Regards.

JanPavulonik said:
Hi,
Look at this thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5s-plus/development/rom-hexa-project-t3586559
Regards.
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Hi downloading right now

Hi,
Looking at another post/thread, it seems that Jan Pavulovic has managed to build this ROM for the mi5s Plus.
Weird, I really thought it was an AOSP non-caf ROM.
Maybe there's another branch ?
Regards.

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
Looking at another post/thread, it seems that Jan Pavulovic has managed to build this ROM for the mi5s Plus.
Weird, I really thought it was an AOSP non-caf ROM.
Maybe there's another branch ?
Regards.
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Hi I am using this ROM and perfect. Others ROM will can made for this device. Thank you by your work. Sorry my english is poor

Never mind , didn't read the last post

what is HexaProject ?

Huawei EMUI 5.1 Update – Eligible Devices, Release Date

According to Huawei, the Honor 8, Honor 6X, Honor 5C, and Huawei P9 will get EMUI 5.1 update by May end this year. See full story here ?? http://huaweiadvices.com/huawei-emui-5-1-update-eligible-devices-release-date/

I doubt it will roll at the end of this month. Everyday Im checking Early access in HiCare, and there where no any beta test available, not even mentions about it.
There is no way that Huawei would just like that publish next big update without proper test, like we had with 5.0
True that Huawei is not best at rolling updates, but still when you compare it to ther OEMs its no difference at all, and all other companies have test before publishing major updates, and because they are region dependent, we should saw at least few roms based on 5.1 roam around forum from Asia or Europe.

Akinaro said:
I doubt it will roll at the end of this month. Everyday Im checking Early access in HiCare, and there where no any beta test available, not even mentions about it.
There is no way that Huawei would just like that publish next big update without proper test, like we had with 5.0
True that Huawei is not best at rolling updates, but still when you compare it to ther OEMs its no difference at all, and all other companies have test before publishing major updates, and because they are region dependent, we should saw at least few roms based on 5.1 roam around forum from Asia or Europe.
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Well this news is from the Official Huawei site so we should be expecting these roll outs as scheduled. May be not OTA as it will have delays but on the Firmware Finder App.

I guess nothing we can do but wait for it to come. Hopefully this news is legit...

Why test, if base is still 7.0.

dkionline said:
Why test, if base is still 7.0.
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Dont get me wrong but this is some retarded reasoning you have here....
Why test at all if its still Android? Why test if its still a phone? Why test if most of people buy new phone after 2years? Why test if 90% of people that use android, dont even know what screen resolution their phone have?
maybe because EMUI 5.1 have few new features that affect user experience? Maybe because they fix/make new bugs when implementing those features?
Jesus Christ its like explaining that water is wet, sun is shining and wind is blowing...

@Akinaro, let me say this.
They have P10 to test all things and just backport to P9, so they tested it since last november. If we clearly look, they only changed code of 5.0 and added the features to it. Its not a major update from google, just one from huaweis side, that only changed their own code.
Bugs can be everywhere, look on latest B383 and B386. We can also think, if they allready testing some code in this builds.
The EVA-L19C185B387 got allready something of that, a new kernel build 5.0.0.3, as SP1 marked, so they doing and mostly ditched to release official builds on 5.0 to work on 5.1.

You just prove my point....
they only changed code of 5.0 and added the features to it
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You just said what I said: they added features that need to be tested, because they changed code of 5.0...
And no one will more than few brain cells would test new ROM on never devices and then backport it straight to older model... you realize how it sound?
Its not a major update from google, just one from huaweis side, that only changed their own code.
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What the point? Just because it was not google update it doesnt require testing? Seriously?
And even if they ditched 5.0 and jumped to 5.1 it doesnt change anything, if you, as you self mentioned, changed code and added new features that really can affect user experience(for example new memory management ) It doesnt need proper testing like any other update?
My point is still valid: saying that new update doesnt need testing is just retarded.

Akinaro said:
You just prove my point....
You just said what I said: they added features that need to be tested, because they changed code of 5.0...
And no one will more than few brain cells would test new ROM on never devices and then backport it straight to older model... you realize how it sound?
What the point? Just because it was not google update it doesnt require testing? Seriously?
And even if they ditched 5.0 and jumped to 5.1 it doesnt change anything, if you, as you self mentioned, changed code and added new features that really can affect user experience(for example new memory management ) It doesnt need proper testing like any other update?
My point is still valid: saying that new update doesnt need testing is just retarded.
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What is the point of this discussion?

that this update would need beta testing just like any other rom, and overall is rather not possible that Huawei would release globally that update for P9 before end of this month.
On the side not part of this discussion what about seriously useless reasoning of dkionline that say "just because its based on android 7 i doesnt need testing".
Such thinking need to be pointed out as stupid, if someone like it or not.

Akinaro said:
that this update would need beta testing just like any other rom, and overall is rather not possible that Huawei would release globally that update for P9 before end of this month.
On the side not part of this discussion what about seriously useless reasoning of dkionline that say "just because its based on android 7 i doesnt need testing".
Such thinking need to be pointed out as stupid, if someone like it or not.
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Point out what you want bro but respect is not something you have

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Point out what you want bro but respect is not something you have
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I dont give a flying pig about respect, you can throw that like "forum thanks" right and left.
If I see something stupid or something that is not true I will point it out, and I dont care if someone like my opinion or not.
If anyone is one of those snowflake that roam around internet crying about everything and think that we should say only good thing about him, I have bad news for you, because world doesnt work like that, and you should deal with it, that you are not omniscient and everyone will like what you think.
I prefer facts than some internet pseudo respect. And if we fallow facts and general reasoning, you cant say anything wrong about what I was talking about. Because show me one think that I said wrong?
Its not my fault that some people have such problems with writing full sentence with proper reasoning behind their opinion.

Akinaro said:
I dont give a flying pig about respect, you can throw that like "forum thanks" right and left.
If I see something stupid or something that is not true I will point it out, and I dont care if someone like my opinion or not.
If anyone is one of those snowflake that roam around internet crying about everything and think that we should say only good thing about him, I have bad news for you, because world doesnt work like that, and you should deal with it, that you are not omniscient and everyone will like what you think.
I prefer facts than some internet pseudo respect. And if we fallow facts and general reasoning, you cant say anything wrong about what I was talking about. Because show me one think that I said wrong?
Its not my fault that some people have such problems with writing full sentence with proper reasoning behind their opinion.
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Pfff are you not getting tired of yourself? If you dont even give a flying pig about respect never seen a flying pig but yeah anyways... Then what kind of parents do you have? Some parents that havn't learned you anything you prefer facts NO you prefer discussion wich lead to nowhere. Your not a big boy on the internet and not in real life show respect otherwise get outta here!! Enough said!

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Pfff are you not getting tired of yourself? If you dont even give a flying pig about respect never seen a flying pig but yeah anyways... Then what kind of parents do you have? Some parents that havn't learned you anything you prefer facts NO you prefer discussion wich lead to nowhere. Your not a big boy on the internet and not in real life show respect otherwise get outta here!! Enough said!
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Nope, Im not tired of my self. And my parents taught me to not mention "parents" in conversation like some sort of kid in school that dont have anything important to say, so he say something about parents or one of many stupid "mother" joke.... just like you did....
And yes, I really like discussion!
Discussion actually create our world, without it we would have nothing. Even from most trivial or offensive discussions you can get amazing thing that change to amazing inventions or ideas. Whole point of discussion is two people where one say "yes" and other say "no" and after some time they all agree about something.... not mention their own parents, its really childish.
Also its worth mention that my actual discussion ended after only two post... but then YOU showed up and had to put your few cents inside... why? maybe you could kindly say us why you had to join it if everything was said already?
Because I have tip for you: if you dont like someone opinion... you dont pay attention to it... you just move on. No one force you to push yourself between two other people discussion and say something that just make more chaos.
Also small note: if you really are so "pro respect" you would end that discussion right now, and we all stop here, and move to actual topic, if you want to add something else about it, or about my parents, feel free to use Personal Messages, I will be happy to replay to it

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Nope, Im not tired of my self. And my parents taught me to not mention "parents" in conversation like some sort of kid in school that dont have anything important to say, so he say something about parents or one of many stupid "mother" joke.... just like you did....
And yes, I really like discussion!
Discussion actually create our world, without it we would have nothing. Even from most trivial or offensive discussions you can get amazing thing that change to amazing inventions or ideas. Whole point of discussion is two people where one say "yes" and other say "no" and after some time they all agree about something.... not mention their own parents, its really childish.
Also its worth mention that my actual discussion ended after only two post... but then YOU showed up and had to put your few cents inside... why? maybe you could kindly say us why you had to join it if everything was said already?
Because I have tip for you: if you dont like someone opinion... you dont pay attention to it... you just move on. No one force you to push yourself between two other people discussion and say something that just make more chaos.
Also small note: if you really are so "pro respect" you would end that discussion right now, and we all stop here, and move to actual topic, if you want to add something else about it, or about my parents, feel free to use Personal Messages, I will be happy to replay to it
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Ok

lol,
They will test it on internal stage in china like they do now on M9. Theres allready much devices with emui 5.1, so their system itself working propably, only the kernel is the reason, nothing more or less.
Mate, you get any betatest from emui4 to 4.1 or 4.1 to 4.1.1 or anything else? No, they release it after its done.

dkionline said:
lol,
They will test it on internal stage in china like they do now on M9. Theres allready much devices with emui 5.1, so their system itself working propably, only the kernel is the reason, nothing more or less.
Mate, you get any betatest from emui4 to 4.1 or 4.1 to 4.1.1 or anything else? No, they release it after its done.
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Thanks you know what you are saying he clearly doesn't

safariking said:
Thanks you know what you are saying he clearly doesn't
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I think I'll believe the guy who builds custom ROMs for this phone over the other guy lol.

jonezie said:
According to Huawei, the Honor 8, Honor 6X, Honor 5C, and Huawei P9 will get EMUI 5.1 update by May end this year.
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It's June 13th and still nothing.

hapnik said:
It's June 13th and still nothing.
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Nothing new!!!! Phone vendors lie so much!

General Hopefully plenty of people get behind this device

Seems like a solid all round device, I'd say this should end up getting some development love

I agree, but I also see some flaws which might be unattractive to some developers. Specially the old chipset. But we will see how well it will turn out. To me, the hardware is pretty great, but the software is horrible.

1qazwsx4 said:
Seems like a solid all round device, I'd say this should end up getting some development love
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NFC

gmbhneo said:
I agree, but I also see some flaws which might be unattractive to some developers. Specially the old chipset. But we will see how well it will turn out. To me, the hardware is pretty great, but the software is horrible.
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To be fair alot of other high end phones are coming out with mediatek chips which severely limits development. Imo this chip is a good balance, a flagship speced processor would have bumped up the price alot considering the other specs are so good

It has NFC
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NFC
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It has NFC
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LOL
I meant something else !

gringo80 said:
LOL
I meant something else !
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LOL
This isn't that kind of forum. If you don't care then don't post

1qazwsx4 said:
LOL
This isn't that kind of forum. If you don't care then don't post
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R

I'm going to buy it. Hope it's good and get decent development support

<Mod Edit>: English translation added.
It would be better if he had fans, and more third-party roms to choose from
如果他拥有粉丝，和更多能选择的第三方rom那就更好了

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levider said:
I'm going to buy it. Hope it's good and get decent development support
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Since we have two devices xiaomi/Poco I'd say we will have some support for sure. I'm surprised that xda made threads for these within the same week they were released so clearly they think there will be interest too

I think the problem is all the variants. I got mine from Aliexpress and it's a redmi note 11 pro but pissarro? I don't even see it on these forums.

kkancho said:
I think the problem is all the variants. I got mine from Aliexpress and it's a redmi note 11 pro but pissarro? I don't even see it on these forums.
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Yeah Xiaomi/Poco have lots of slight differences and models haha. Similar phone but looks like yours has a mediatek chip which will mean next to zero development...

I'm also looking at buying a Redmi Note 11 Pro, specifically the non+ Snapdragon 695 in the hopes we will get development. I wanted the + with the MediaTek but I also realize that won't have any development so..

Dont expect too much support for this Phone. Because of its High Price for the low specs it flopped hard on the Market.

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Dont expect too much support for this Phone. Because of its High Price for the low specs it flopped hard on the Market.
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To be fair, I think the price more than justifies what you get. The only thing I hear people criticizing is that the processor is slower than the previous model - can't say I've experienced any stutters or lag etc. Each to their own but I'm more than happy

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Each to their own but I'm more than happy
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Absolutely, but i think you can get much more for the same price or even cheaper and most people thinking the same. For example: Why would i choose the X4 if i can get a F3 much cheaper.

Untier said:
Absolutely, but i think you can get much more for the same price or even cheaper and most people thinking the same. For example: Why would i choose the X4 if i can get a F3 much cheaper.
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I guess some people may prefer a phone that has a micro SD slot, alot faster charging, bigger battery and better battery life because a processor like that is overkill imo. Either way, both phones have their usages - like every phone, it has pros and cons. Out of curiousity, how come your here in this thread about it?
After installing MIUI EU and rooting, this phone is a beast

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Out of curiousity, how come your here in this thread about it?
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I just was curious what People from other Countries are thinking about this Phone.
I was interesed in the Poco X4 too before i saw the Specs