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Community issues: Campaign for a fresh start

Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
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constructive crticism welscome
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
P.S.
if issues are not resolved then it never will be as no one will accept blame and any such thread will eventually result in blame game.
right now see that people are just paying attention to information,now calling them for campaign is also a distraction.

btpd21 said:
Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
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Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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rohit3192 said:
i am sure that neo will close this thread as this is not required.
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
plz ask Neo to close this thread.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
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Hey, thanks for sharing your opinion with me in a respectful manner. However, I feel that the issue is not yet resolved, and the general forum is definitely the appropriate place to post it. The development is virtually at a standstill and I am not talking about gtg, but the other devs and would be devs who are now discouraged. I find that although your response was polite, it was completely inappropriate, especially considering what my original post stated. If you have an issue with my posts please message in private as opposed to calling me out/ racking up your post count.
Corvette Dave said:
Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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Thank you for your support! I appreciate it.
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I doubt the devs read half the crap, and know that most if the quiet folks really enjoy there work, and in no means are they scared to
release there work, but rather punish and don't release, which its necessary to shut alt of people up, can always find them on irc
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I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?

NeoS2007 said:
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Neo just as you posted this I was editing my post in this thread.
I was concerned that this thread doesn't become a place for blaming other members or finding faults of others.as long as this stands for supporting devs my vote is there.
Right now I think forum is going well

NeoS2007 said:
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
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I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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nash2000 said:
I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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I will flag this to our admins, so it can be looked into. Thanks for your feedback.

jayson94538 said:
I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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My app shows the Q&A section. But it didn't until I reinstalled. Had to reinstall it after I put CM7 on.

To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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apallohadas said:
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Sent from my Infuse using my fingers.
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Heh well that worked. Thank you.
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NeoS2007 said:
I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Thanks for your support. Is there a way we could mark our bad posts to be deleted without reporting ourselves?
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I think alot of people like myself are new android users. I knew nothing 3 months ago about Android then I got the infuse my first smartphone which seems like its a lot of peoples first android. So I admit I posted questions then went and found the answer when I got no replies. I think people just need to understand that this is very fresh for a lot of people. It was ridiculous on gtg's post but on the other hand people got so angry at othrs that knew very little.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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You don't even have to unsubscribe just subscribe again (referring to the xda app)
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And I think another reason why we see a lot of similar topics being posted especially regarding support is because new users (like myself) feel we need support about our specific situation, even tho we may have already read a similar thrend. Its happened to me were I posted help and either ill get a smart reply ie "its been posted 10 times already" or they may reply with a link. The link will be exactly what I've already read but, the thrend doesn't 100% pertain to my situation so I'm afraid I may mess up even more if I follow those steps (its actually already happened,my first brick) This is why we may see a lot of repeat thrends. I usually will encourage my support giver to pm me but I hardly receive any.
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Why not have a separate section for rom support? I realize that sounds goofy but in the rom thread could be development related questions and in support section help and tech support?
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Well, xda-developers is for... DEVELOPERS. Although most people on xda are in it for the custom roms and leeching of apps.
I agree there should be some kind of a "noob sandbox" where new users can ask their questions and get answers from more seasoned users/devs. But how do you guys propose we do that?

Are devs leaving XDA in favor of ROOTZWIKI?

It used to be almost every dev would release their mods on XDA and they would eventually trickle out to the other forums. Lately I noticed more stuff being released on ROOTZWIKI and not on XDA. 2 cases in point are IMNUTS hacked kernel and JT moving all his mods to ROOTZWIKI.
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GrainOsand said:
It used to be almost every dev would release their mods on XDA and they would eventually trickle out to the other forums. Lately I noticed more stuff being released on ROOTZWIKI and not on XDA. 2 cases in point are IMNUTS hacked kernel and JT moving all his mods to ROOTZWIKI.
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Some Devs are continuing to contribute and post their work on XDA; however, a lot are fed up with XDA for lots of reasons and have left. Many are posting at rootzwiki now. Some exclusively.
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GrainOsand said:
It used to be almost every dev would release their mods on XDA and they would eventually trickle out to the other forums. Lately I noticed more stuff being released on ROOTZWIKI and not on XDA. 2 cases in point are IMNUTS hacked kernel and JT moving all his mods to ROOTZWIKI.
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yeah I think some of the devs are getting fed up with the way the site is run, moderated, or just general dislike of the sometimes rude people here... Rootzwiki is not bad, almost exactly like XDA in the way it looks and operates... I signed up over there and check both forums as it seems you are right and little by little more is only being posted over there

interesting. will have to sign up for an account there too.
thanks, OP.
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btw, what are some things about XDA that's upsetting Dev's?

There is way more activity here though. People tell it like is here and some may construe that as rude.
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I just downloaded the app. I find it much harder to navigate than XDA's.
EDIT: Not much activity. May be a great way to escape the influx of noobs. But my Android soul belongs to XDA.
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kvswim said:
I just downloaded the app. I find it much harder to navigate than XDA's.
EDIT: Not much activity. May be a great way to escape the influx of noobs. But my Android soul belongs to XDA.
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Devs get free test rigs over there... It's also an insiders only place that not alot of noobs know about.
Xda pays google a ton of money for search results... That's why xda is gigantic
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danalo1979 said:
Devs get free test rigs over there... It's also an insiders only place that not alot of noobs know about.
Xda pays google a ton of money for search results... That's why xda is gigantic
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well more are gonna know about it now lol... don't mean to derail thread but any news on a possible humble GB update (if any)?

huh. interesting.

danalo1979 said:
Xda pays google a ton of money for search results... That's why xda is gigantic
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That's not how Google works -- you can't pay them to rank higher (or even rank at all) in search results. XDA may pay for sponsored links (AdWords) next to the search results, but I'm not even sure they do that as in countless ROM-related searches I've never seen an XDA ad.

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I'll create a (not so short) list of reasons why people are leaving
New people asking questions that have been asked 500 times
People not reading threads for known issues/problems/etc.
People not searching before asking/posting
Rude people (not just "telling it how it is" either)
Know it all types that really know nothing
People not following
Lack of moderation
Unfair moderation
Inconsistent moderation with regards to rules
Sense of entitlement among users (goes back to rude people)
I'm sure there are other reasons as well. As for XDA paying for Google rankings, they may not directly, but indirectly, pages that get traffic get higher rankings in search results. And also, a site's age/reputation factors into it as well.
RootzWiki is new, and with most forums I've been to for phones, people will wait to see what the better forum is, then go there. With most devices being released already before RootzWiki started, communities have already developed elsewhere. As new phones come out, where people are posting could quite easily change. And so far, RootzWiki has a much more consistent moderation approach, as well as developer friendly environment.

imnuts said:
I'll create a (not so short) list of reasons why people are leaving
New people asking questions that have been asked 500 times
People not reading threads for known issues/problems/etc.
People not searching before asking/posting
Rude people (not just "telling it how it is" either)
Know it all types that really know nothing
People not following
Lack of moderation
Unfair moderation
Inconsistent moderation with regards to rules
Sense of entitlement among users (goes back to rude people)
I'm sure there are other reasons as well. As for XDA paying for Google rankings, they may not directly, but indirectly, pages that get traffic get higher rankings in search results. And also, a site's age/reputation factors into it as well.
RootzWiki is new, and with most forums I've been to for phones, people will wait to see what the better forum is, then go there. With most devices being released already before RootzWiki started, communities have already developed elsewhere. As new phones come out, where people are posting could quite easily change. And so far, RootzWiki has a much more consistent moderation approach, as well as developer friendly environment.
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but I (and most of the regulars) appreciate the ones who do stay and put up with it this isn't a job so its awesome you guys keep up with this, especially for as long as some of you have

anoninja118 said:
but I (and most of the regulars) appreciate the ones who do stay and put up with it this isn't a job so its awesome you guys keep up with this, especially for as long as some of you have
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+1. I just try answer as many questions as possible so you guys don't have to. Once again, thanks for all the work you do and the other devs do!

imnuts said:
I'll create a (not so short) list of reasons why people are leaving
New people asking questions that have been asked 500 times
People not reading threads for known issues/problems/etc.
People not searching before asking/posting
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I'm still using one of your early non-voodoo pbj kernels (along with your modified cwm). Stock EE4. Even at that time, the instruction & comment thread was quite large, with lots of feedback, problems, advice, & fixes. I know you devs are really good at updating the first post of the thread, but the following sentence still applies, especially for newbies.
It is therefore important to read entire threads!
Of course, this is where the problems start for the new folks (re impatient). Then come questions on clarifications. True, I've seen you answer the same question many times.
I can't relate to the "entitlement mentality" of some users.
I read a lot of yours (& kejar's) writings. Truly enjoy it.
I follow the forums with the most traffic. More traffic = more knowledge for me. (selfish bast. . .)
Sorry your experience here is turning sour. I'll not contribute to the apples.
Thanks for all of your hard work, devotion, & yes, patience.
Chris

personally i post everything i do on both xda and rootz
in the beginning i wasnt entirely in support of yet another forum. but they do a lot over there and as new phones come out (especially verizon ones) id imagine the communities will be larger and larger there versus xda
having said that, im surprised xda hasnt shut down this thread yet because apparently speaking of other forums isnt allowed
whereas rootz will let you post xda links and discuss whatever u want (even to their own detriment) regardless

I will add a few reasons that are not mentioned already
1... At Rootz, the site owners are appreciable and friends with many of the devs... They are also strong supporters of developers
2... The allow subforums.. this is important as once you get a subforum, you as the dev/owner of that subform can moderate yourself....

I remember back in the windows mobile Touch Pro 2 days PPCGeeks was the place to be for Sprint/Verizon Roms, so it's definitely possible for development communities to shift to a different website. If enough big developers used Rootzwiki exclusively, I think everyone would follow them. People go wherever the developers go. Rootzwiki giving out free phones to developers is also pretty cool...

[MOD EDIT: PLEASE READ AGAIN] A Question about MIUI?

Why can't MIUI Roms be posted posted in here?

I think its because MIUI doesnt want it posted any where but the MIUI site. had the same problem at the G2x threads.. but someone managed to get a thread and link up and keep it up, some how..lol

They can be posted, just not the one from Trip as he's banned from here

Yes, as the poster above me has stated, this ROM is not allowed on XDA, I have to close the threads referring to MIUI, he has expressly asked that it not be posted on XDA.
I am not allowed to let it on unless he has given permission, if memberskeeep posting this it is violating our rules meaning that I have to give out a lot of infractions. If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
If anyone has any questions, send me a PM or let me know in here
Thanks Guys
BW

I'm running it now!!!!!! Been looking for a good Sensless rom and MIUI has just fitted the bill nicely

Badwolve1 said:
Yes, as the poster above me has stated, this ROM is not allowed on XDA, I have to close the threads referring to MIUI, he has expressly asked that it not be posted on XDA.
I am not allowed to let it on unless he has given permission, if memberskeeep posting this it is violating our rules meaning that I have to give out a lot of infractions. If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
If anyone has any questions, send me a PM or let me know in here
Thanks Guys
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This only applies to the port by Trip though right, any other MIUI port is allowed? There are a couple of ports for the Desire S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194397

ems328i said:
This only applies to the port by Trip though right, any other MIUI port is allowed? There are a couple of ports for the Desire S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194397
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Yes, Trip has asked us specifically not to allow his ROM on here, other MIUI roms that are not by him are fine, and his is also fine if he says that it is allowed on here
BW

Wait.. So if I want to download MIUI for my phone, where do I find it? The MIUI site doesn't list Sensation in the devices list, and the links here have been removed..

Google it - it's not hard if you know the site Paul O'Brien runs...
And MIUI have said they are probably going to do an official version for the Sensation soon

EddyOS said:
Google it - it's not hard if you know the site Paul O'Brien runs...
And MIUI have said they are probably going to do an official version for the Sensation soon
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I wait for this. I try some of ver but have some serious bug on my sensation!

He's kicked out some real kick ass ROMs in a short period of time. MIUI is running VERY well. Totally worth it.

Something tells me that Trip has no problems with his ROM being posted on XDA (with all credits to him, of course), but that's only me, I won't talk instead of him. Too bad because his ROM is faster than any other around here, even it is still beta. Come on people, let's make a deal here and enjoy our Sensations

markoko1 said:
Something tells me that Trip has no problems with his ROM being posted on XDA (with all credits to him, of course), but that's only me, I won't talk instead of him. Too bad because his ROM is faster than any other around here, even it is still beta. Come on people, let's make a deal here and enjoy our Sensations
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AFAIK Trip had no problems with the thread here at XDA and just didn't want mirrors posted, seeing as the thread was just a link to his original thread and seeing as he okay'd it, I don't know why the thread was closed down anyway.

Can you give me the link for the miui rom by Paul O'Brien please?
Thanks
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BonesRed said:
AFAIK Trip had no problems with the thread here at XDA and just didn't want mirrors posted, seeing as the thread was just a link to his original thread and seeing as he okay'd it, I don't know why the thread was closed down anyway.
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I'm pretty sure he does mind. Quote from his current thread on Modaco:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont have a problem with sharing it, i do have a problem with sharing it to a place that kills everything that have something to do with me. That is not how a community should be. Even users who support me there get bashed, they are going to wrong way there.. They always had a great community where you could learn alot and everyone was excepted in there own ways.
There where alot of users helping each other, now the mods control the place on there personal likings. And people just take whatever they need to get more attention then another.
I want to help as much as i can, but giving everything for free to a community that fights against me.. no sorry thats a no go.
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Source: http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...199-released/page__view__findpost__p__1802749

xnpu said:
I'm pretty sure he does mind. Quote from his current thread on Modaco:
Source: http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...199-released/page__view__findpost__p__1802749
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This isn't going to go anywhere so I will basically just chime in since this has greatly affected me personally. Trip basically is unhappy how users such as myself get trashed for even mentioning his ROM, on XDA. I basically was trying to help a user yesterday, and I mentioned I was using Trips ROM, but was going to offer my help with an installation of an app he had an issue with. I posted a link to that app, and instead of the moderators here seeing I was NOT posting any links to the ROM, but rather to an app, I was trashed by several users saying that I should know better, and then was forced to delete references. I never posted any direct link to Modaco nor his ROM. The link was to an app, I simply googled. Suffice it to say, after posting more than 3100 threads here and helping out literally with 100's of users over the last two years with my Nexus one and now Sensation, I probably at least in the near term will basically help over at Modaco and move on for a while from here. The attitudes of many here totally sour the situation. Especially on a phone that has lack support for so long and has finally gotten to the point of enjoyment with development, past the same old same old copies of Sense Roms we see here from day one. All the developers here brag they have the fastest, slickest, ad nauseum same old Sense ROMs that for the most part are just clones of each other. Sure, I might be offending a lot of the hard working OPs here and I will say I'm sorry I had to make such a statement, since I know a lot of hard work goes into any of this. But now we finally are seeing CM7, and MIUI opening up on the Sensations doorstep and because of the piss and moaning going on here with Trip over issues from the past, we end up with being either near banned, threatened with points actions, told we must delete references that have zero to do with his ROM, but they are afraid that some will just "think" that there are links. The hysteria after yesterday really left a sour taste in my mouth and many other fellow long time XDAers I speak with all the time, that have all basically PMed me stating they could NOT believe how I basically was trashed on a thread here.
Anyways, just wanted to speak my peace. This is NOT on a development thread so hopefully I won't have threats coming at me for speaking my peace. The actions here only hurt a community as a whole.

http://android.modaco.com/topic/346...a-sensational-s002b199-released/page__st__260
You can read there " the thread by t0ny0 in the xda development area is the useful one" ... Does anyone need more proof that he in fact didnt mind the idea of his rom being here?
And even with that - thread was closed. Not cool.
We have the proof that he approves, and still closed...
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Closing the threads just cuz he got banned. Wow. His rom is by far way better than others. MIUI all day everyday!! signature!!!
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Badwolve1 said:
If he gives permission, I will happily re-open these thread if this is OK with the Admins.
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Badwolve1 said:
and his is also fine if he says that it is allowed on here
BW
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Pretty sure THIS negates any reason for deleting t0ny0's thread in the first place.
edit* side note, miui goes against the entire spirit of cm by kanging cm source then redistributing it closed. i think it should be banned completely.

cpittman said:
Pretty sure THIS negates any reason for deleting t0ny0's thread in the first place.
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Thaaaank you...
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Getting a forum for a new device.

Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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onebornoflight said:
Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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Maybe XDA has a personal issue with phones with QWERTY keyboards.

We encountered this issue on my previous qwerty device also and believe me we almost got top 2 on the voting thread for new devices yet till now it still don't have any forum of its own. I already asked and the reason why it didn't get its own forum was not because of the lack of the community but instead the lack of real developers to support the device. To quote what the mod I talked to he said that
"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.

Guys try www.sdx-developers.com its a Samsung hacking site
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That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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onebornoflight said:
The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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At least he replied to you...
Lol I never got a reply

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@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Now that XDA isn't accommodating, creating a dev section for the device there might just be what that site needs to bring it back to life
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gtmaster303 said:
That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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gtmaster303 said:
1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Riyal said:
"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.
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This makes a whole lot of sense.

strapped365 said:
1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Thanks. Although I don't agree with you completely, it's good to know you didn't go rogue on me all of a sudden. If xda wants ad revenue, they would be creating ads for every device out. Although I don't understand why they won't readily create a forum for a device that clearly needs it. I don't agree with their logic. If there's even one dev for a device, a forum should be made. That's like saying "we'll only host the most popular of devices." By that token, popularity should not ensue. And under that jurisdiction, technically the Doubleshot shouldn't exist here either. Our community is quite small, even for a dev community. Most of the daily page hits xda gets from us are the same couple dozen people, some of which login multiple times per day (because they have no life, myself included )
But popularity of the site is still necessary. not that many people know about sdx. When they look for a new phone to buy (devs and modders alike) most will come to xda and poke around to see if the activity is up to their liking. If not, they'll probably search for a new device. Main reason why I haven't switched over to a Captivate Glide or a Droid 4...
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I must be weird then as I bought my device because
1. It was the closest thing to a G3 on the market and
2. I was (and still am) angry with and done with HTC after the lack of ICS on the doubleshot.
Oh and 3. My DS died;(
Nonetheless if we decide to move to that other site I'll have to get an android app for it lol.
I'm growing disgruntled with XDA lately but its kinda like a drug for me... and strapped... this device stock is just about equivalent to my ds when it died with regards to ease of use and overall response. I DO miss a trackpad and the home button lags just a bit... but that could be me having an aftermarket launcher with touchwiz frozen but not uninstalled.
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Opinions on CalyxOS - I can't find much about it

Noob here, so, hope I am posting in the correct forum.
I just picked up a Pixel 3a and was planning on installing GrapheneOS. In doing some research about GrapheneOS, I stumbled across CalyxOS (forum rules prohibit me from posting a link). Has anyone had had any experience installing CalyxOS and using it for an extended period of time? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it stable? Can it be used as a daily driver? What are its pluses and drawbacks?
I can't find much information about it at all. As far as I can tell there is nothing about it here on XDA and there are no demo vids on YouTube. All thoughts appreciated. Thanks in advance.

driver.8 said:
Noob here, so, hope I am posting in the correct forum.
I just picked up a Pixel 3a and was planning on installing GrapheneOS. In doing some research about GrapheneOS, I stumbled across CalyxOS (forum rules prohibit me from posting a link). Has anyone had had any experience installing CalyxOS and using it for an extended period of time? If so, what are your thoughts? Is it stable? Can it be used as a daily driver? What are its pluses and drawbacks?
I can't find much information about it at all. As far as I can tell there is nothing about it here on XDA and there are no demo vids on YouTube. All thoughts appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Ask your questions at the location where you found the OS.
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Droidriven said:
Ask your questions at the location where you found the OS.
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Not following you. If you mean somewhere here on XDA forums - as far as I can tell there is no "location" for CalyxOS. Not from the search function anyway.
If you mean where I read about it - that was in some random comment by the developer of GrapheneOS.
I just thought someone here on the XDA forums may have had some experience with it and would chime in. Apparently not.

driver.8 said:
Not following you. If you mean somewhere here on XDA forums - as far as I can tell there is no "location" for CalyxOS. Not from the search function anyway.
If you mean where I read about it - that was in some random comment by the developer of GrapheneOS.
I just thought someone here on the XDA forums may have had some experience with it and would chime in. Apparently not.
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Trace it back to it's source, like maybe try Githib, I'm sure the developer has his repository posted there, Github also has a forum that you can post in.
There is this also.
https://calyxos.org/
Check the additional links at the bottom of the page also. There is more information in those links.
Then there is this at Gitlab, I guess they do their work there instead of Github.
https://gitlab.com/calyxos
I'm sure you can find answers in one of those places.
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Ask your questions at the location where you found the OS.
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So why are discussions of some ROMs such as Calyx and Graphene prohibited on XDA? XDA has always been the best in all aspects of Android support.

MrTooPhone said:
So why are discussions of some ROMs such as Calyx and Graphene prohibited on XDA? XDA has always been the best in all aspects of Android support.
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My point was, it is best to go to the source of the ROM for answers and issues related to that ROM. The reason why I say that is because that will be the best source of information related to that ROM because no one knows that ROM better than the people that made it. Also, if your issues or questions are something that the developer of the ROM may need to make changes to their ROM to solve the issue or question that you have, contacting the developer would bring it to their attention.
My reply had nothing to do with discussion of that ROM or any other ROM not being allowed to be discussed here at XDA.
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Droidriven said:
My reply had nothing to do with discussion of that ROM or any other ROM not being allowed to be discussed here at XDA.
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I understand completely that your previous reply had nothing to do with discussion of that ROM or any other ROM not being allowed to be discussed here at XDA. However, I thought you might know why.
Anyway, have you seen the support for those other ROMs such as Graphene. It is a chat server. While some try to help, others are arrogant techies that try to make you feel stupid. In addition, there is no easy archive to review and catch up with such as XDA. I find a forum far more user friendly than a live chat service.

MrTooPhone said:
I understand completely that your previous reply had nothing to do with discussion of that ROM or any other ROM not being allowed to be discussed here at XDA. However, I thought you might know why.
Anyway, have you seen the support for those other ROMs such as Graphene. It is a chat server. While some try to help, others are arrogant techies that try to make you feel stupid. In addition, there is no easy archive to review and catch up with such as XDA. I find a forum far more user friendly than a live chat service.
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You still didn't understand. My point is there is no such thing as any kind of prohibition on discussing ROMs at XDA, regardless of where the ROM came from.
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Droidriven said:
You still didn't understand. My point is there is no such thing as any kind of prohibition on discussing ROMs at XDA, regardless of where the ROM came from.
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Maybe not prohibited, but surely discouraged.

MrTooPhone said:
Maybe not prohibited, but surely discouraged.
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No, it isn't.
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The man is asking for opinions from people who have used it. He wants the feedback of other peoples experience. I would like to hear if anyone here has used it & what they think.