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The Nexus S Story, does it add up?

I hope more light is shed regarding the Nexus S story. Some things don't add up to me.
Google's Eric Schmidt said during the Summer that there would be no Nexus Two, saying that the Nexus One accomplished what they set out to do. Some have construed this to mean other things, and even Eric himself has said what he really meant was that he didn't want to use the name "Nexus 2" or something to that effect. Is this true? I'm not sure. Or did Google see the success of Samsung's Galaxy S line to all four major carriers (and others), which was something Google was hoping to accomplish with the Nexus One, and see the quality of Samsung's SAMOLED and felt it would optimize 2.3's darker color format well, and so decided to reach out to them to have them revise their Galaxy S line to a Nexus brand? Or did Google reach out to them before they released the Galaxy line to make the next Nexus, and if so, why would Eric make such comment implying there would be no future Nexus phones? It could, of course, be simple misdirection.
Considering the Nexus S is not being developed from the ground up, and is more or less based on the Galaxy S line, research, development, and manufacturing time could have been accomplished between the late Summer/early Fall release of Galaxy phones to now December, for the Nexus S launch. Considering Samsung doesn't seem to have any real history of "shortages," their manufacturing plants could be up for the challenge?
Then, you have the supposed "delay" of the Nexus S. It turns out the Best Buy leaked specs were real (the official specs is almost exactly what the BB specs said it would be - 1 GHz single core, no HSPA+ support...). So what was the delay? Well, just last week the FFC received radio changes to the i9020 model (aka the Nexus S number). Was that the slight hardward delay/tweak? And not what Androidandme thought was the scrapping of single-core to have dual-core? But they also said dual-core Nexus S prototypes were out in the wild in testing. Did the tests not go well with Gingerbread, which has been reported to not be optimized yet for dual-cores, and thus Google deciding to stick to the single-core for final production? Or were those supposedly dual-core Nexus S prototypes really prototypes of Samsung's i9200 phones, aka Galaxy S2?
I don't know. This is all speculation and musing. The Nexus S story doesn't add up. Given some baffling decisions regarding the official specs - namely lack of HSPA+ (or "4G") support - I suspect Google rushed this when they saw the success of Galaxy S and Samsung's SAMOLED technology, and tried, but couldn't get dual-cores to work properly and in time to meet their December release deadline (Gingerbread had to be released before Christmas).
Is a dual-core, HSPA+ capable Nexus S floating around out there in prototype/testing form to be released in 2011? Does the Nexus S story add up to you guys?

We can only dream. I wish it was Orion. I wish it was HSPA+. But this is the real world

I think that Google just realized that they scrapped the Nexus One for the wrong reasons.
It didn't sell well, and the support was apparently a nightmare. But the product itself was (and still is) very good. So they're trying again, but this time they're leaving the logistics to the professionals. And it will be sold all over the world.
I think the Nexus S will be a huge hit, despite its many shortcomings. It doesn't come with a premium price and bragging rights, and it's not so big that you feel silly using it as a phone. It's not extreme in any way, it's just an affordable and capable phone.
And with no strings attached. No carrier lock-in, which is so strangely popular in the US. No pre-installed crapware to drive you crazy. OS updates directly from Google. Unlocked, which is almost unheard of in the US.
The Nexus S will probably also give the NFC technology critical mass. Which will not at all be popular with the credit card companies. Heh, it will be wildly unpopular with the US-based carriers anyway. Users will love the phone, big corporations will hate it.

shrivelfig said:
I think the Nexus S will be a huge hit, despite its many shortcomings. It doesn't come with a premium price and bragging rights, and it's not so big that you feel silly using it as a phone. It's not extreme in any way, it's just an affordable and capable phone.
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I think it will be a hit as well -- the early negative response comes mainly from people already on Android devices that were expecting another quantum leap in hardware.
But the pricing is actually exactly identical to the Nexus One -- $529 unlocked, $199 with a two-year contract. That spells "premium" to me.

It is a tough sell for anyone who already has a premium Android device.
You are asking them to fork over $530 for a device which only does 2, maybe 3 things that their premium handset won't be capable of (when Gingerbread comes out for their device).
Nexus S looks like a solid phone. Honestly, the lack of a microSD card is the primary reason I won't purchase it Dec. 16.
I already have a Vibrant, so its a tough sell for what amounts to a small upgrade.
I thought that my next purchase would be a gingerbread device, but I might wait until Honeycomb.

Nexus S Headed to Verizon with 4G? Rumors Begin to Swirl http://phandroid.com/2010/12/07/nexus-s-headed-to-verizon-with-4g-rumors-begin-to-swirl/

the Nexus One failed because of how google handeled it.
Also look at the setup google has done with the youtube page, twitter and even the main page, they all say NEXUS. The S is always seperated by a line, or not there.
Ontop of that you also see the new Pure Google branding on the videos.
This leads me to believe that google has revived the Nexus branding to be any pure google phone and the Nexus S is the first phone in this new branding, and there will be more to come.
Most likely the whole dual core story is legit but google couldn't finish it in time so they pushed it to honeycomb.
And i believe that maybe around late summer 2011 we'll see a new nexus, probably based on the nexus S or galaxy 2, with a dual core orion and honeycomb.
Or if were lucky, a tegra device.

Nexus one was NOT a failure for Google.
I don't think the Nexus One was a failure for Google.
Google's main goal with producing the Nexus One was to force manufacturers to manufacture better more powerful android handsets, without imposing Apple (or Microsoft with WP7) like restrictions on the hardware.
Look at what was available when the Nexus One was announced; with the exception of the original Droid, almost all of the handsets were running slow, outdated processors, and less than 512 MB of RAM. The hardware at the time was holding the Android OS back. Google wanted to show what was possible with the Android OS if the hardware was as capable as the software.
Look at the handsets available after the Nexus One, we have handsets available on every major carrier in the US with 1 Ghz processors and at least 512 MB of RAM.
Manufacturers and carriers responded to the Nexus One by producing better hardware. Google got exactly what it wanted, hardware that was capable of really supporting the full capabilities of the Android OS.
I think Google should; and will probably will, continue producing a Nexus branded handset periodically just to continue to show what is possible with top end hardware, and a pure Google Android OS.
Google's goal was never to mass produce the Nexus One and become a competitor to its handset manufacturer partners, but to show what the Android OS is capable of. The Nexus is a halo product for Android, never intended for mass market. If mass market was the goal more distribution channels would be open; even the Nexus S is not being sold in traditional carrier stores, only Best Buy.

atlp99 said:
If mass market was the goal more distribution channels would be open; even the Nexus S is not being sold in traditional carrier stores, only Best Buy.
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I think the Nexus S is a mass market phone. It's coming to Norway (Spring 2011), and we don't have Best Buy.
Picking nits, the Nexus S isn't being sold anywhere right now, but Best Buy will be selling them shortly, and other chains and stores all over the world will follow in due course. They probably want to "test the waters" in a few select markets first, to decide how much they have to ramp up the production.
If the Nexus One had been more accessible, I would have bought one.

atlp99 said:
I don't think the Nexus One was a failure for Google.
Google's main goal with producing the Nexus One was to force manufacturers to manufacture better more powerful android handsets, without imposing Apple (or Microsoft with WP7) like restrictions on the hardware.
Look at what was available when the Nexus One was announced; with the exception of the original Droid, almost all of the handsets were running slow, outdated processors, and less than 512 MB of RAM. The hardware at the time was holding the Android OS back. Google wanted to show what was possible with the Android OS if the hardware was as capable as the software.
Look at the handsets available after the Nexus One, we have handsets available on every major carrier in the US with 1 Ghz processors and at least 512 MB of RAM.
Manufacturers and carriers responded to the Nexus One by producing better hardware. Google got exactly what it wanted, hardware that was capable of really supporting the full capabilities of the Android OS.
I think Google should; and will probably will, continue producing a Nexus branded handset periodically just to continue to show what is possible with top end hardware, and a pure Google Android OS.
Google's goal was never to mass produce the Nexus One and become a competitor to its handset manufacturer partners, but to show what the Android OS is capable of. The Nexus is a halo product for Android, never intended for mass market. If mass market was the goal more distribution channels would be open; even the Nexus S is not being sold in traditional carrier stores, only Best Buy.
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very true, i should of worded myself differently. you are correct in that the nexus one seceded there, i meant that the business model of trying to sell it the way they did failed. which as you pointed out they said was never the goal, but it would of been nice lol.
With that said, the new direction of the Nexus branding should really help, best buy will sure be advertising the phone like crazy and will hopefully boost people wanting more pure android devices.

I'm sure that distribution will be different in other parts of the world (as it was for the Nexus One), but in the US the majority of customers get their handsets from carrier stores.
Google is skipping the carriers with the Nexus S the same way they did with the Nexus One. They are adding Best Buy as a distributor in the U.S. but still keeping away from the majority of the retailers.
Google is expanding on the online only distribution of the Nexus One, but not by much.

atlp99 said:
I'm sure that distribution will be different in other parts of the world (as it was for the Nexus One), but in the US the majority of customers get their handsets from carrier stores.
Google is skipping the carriers with the Nexus S the same way they did with the Nexus One. They are adding Best Buy as a distributor in the U.S. but still keeping away from the majority of the retailers.
Google is expanding on the online only distribution of the Nexus One, but not by much.
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you'd be surprised how many people go to best buy for their phone service. Best Buy's cell phone division has been growing at an insane rate and now they have Best Buy Mobile stores popping up in malls all around the country, and the ones i've seen are packed.
Combine that, with best buys massive advertising budget and the Nexus S will sell very well.

I think Best Buy will help the Nexus S sell and it will likely sell far better than the Nexus One because of this, but restricting distribution to one retailer (which is not available everywhere) is still going to limit total sales.
The point I have been trying to make is that Google's purpose behind the Nexus One and the Nexus S is not only to sell the handset, it is more about promoting Android as an OS. As long as Google sells enough Nexus handsets to not loose money they will be happy.
If Google's goal was to sell as many Nexus S handsets as possible they would want to get them into as many distribution channels as possible, including carrier stores.
Just like Chevy selling the Z06 corvette, it is a halo product that lets them show off what is possible.

atlp99 said:
I think Best Buy will help the Nexus S sell and it will likely sell far better than the Nexus One because of this, but restricting distribution to one retailer (which is not available everywhere) is still going to limit total sales.
The point I have been trying to make is that Google's purpose behind the Nexus One and the Nexus S is not only to sell the handset, it is more about promoting Android as an OS. As long as Google sells enough Nexus handsets to not loose money they will be happy.
If Google's goal was to sell as many Nexus S handsets as possible they would want to get them into as many distribution channels as possible, including carrier stores.
Just like Chevy selling the Z06 corvette, it is a halo product that lets them show off what is possible.
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it's true that best buy is not everywhere but you can buy it through bestbuy.com, even with a service plan and have it shipped anywhere in the 50 states, so theres that.
luckily i have 4 best buys near me and a best buy mobile so all i'm hoping is that one has a live display model for me to play with before i make a decision.

I feel lack of sd slot and multicore are show stoppers. At the same with samsung growing galaxy market share the device makes since.
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I agree that something does not seem quite right about this release. Although for me the non-removable sd and and lack os hspa+ don't bother me, the chance that a dual core is a couple months aways would irritate me if I did buy this one. I know there is always something better coming out, but if its only a couple more months I am inclined to wait.
I guess for me the biggest question is if a dual core does come out will it also be available on t-mobile or will it be a verizon or att phone. If that was the case I would switch carriers. It happened with the lcd flash and the galaxy line, t-mobiles vibrant did not have flash but I believe the verizon version got flash. T-mobiles handsets never got updated.

honestly i don't think gingerbread has any dual core support. I think google moved that all onto honeycomb, so you wont see a single dual core phone released until honeycomb is out which probably won't be until summer for phones.

I think the real issue for most people is having to drop $529 dollars on a phone that isn't as future-proof as it should be, at least into the year 2011. I suspect the Google/Sammy partnership came mid-year, either during or right after the success of the Galaxy S, and they rushed to get us a Nexus branded phone with Gingerbread shipped before Xmas. This isn't even so much about dual-core vs. single-core, it's more about the lack of HSPA+ support. All four major carriers are pushing "4G" for the standard in 2011, and there are even handsets out currently that already support it. If dual-core is that important (and it is to some people), they are literally just around the corner. 2011 is weeks away, and it's suspected dual-cores will start coming out Jan/February. It's true that technology moves at a breakneck speed, but a month or two away may be worth waiting for, considering the hefty price tag for an un-contracted Nexus S. Along with other detractors - ranging from small to big depending on people's preferences - like lack of expandable SD card slot, lack of LED light, Bluetooth downgrade, 480p HD recording, it makes it a very difficult buy. In other words, the price isn't only about money anymore. It feels like you're giving up a lot more.
And I'm not sure Google/Sammy should get away with it.

onthecouchagain said:
I think the real issue for most people is having to drop $529 dollars on a phone that isn't as future-proof as it should be, at least into the year 2011. I suspect the Google/Sammy partnership came mid-year, either during or right after the success of the Galaxy S, and they rushed to get us a Nexus branded phone with Gingerbread shipped before Xmas. This isn't even so much about dual-core vs. single-core, it's more about the lack of HSPA+ support. All four major carriers are pushing "4G" for the standard in 2011, and there are even handsets out currently that already support it. If dual-core is that important (and it is to some people), they are literally just around the corner. 2011 is weeks away, and it's suspected dual-cores will start coming out Jan/February. It's true that technology moves at a breakneck speed, but a month or two away may be worth waiting for, considering the hefty price tag for an un-contracted Nexus S. Along with other detractors - ranging from small to big depending on people's preferences - like lack of expandable SD card slot, lack of LED light, Bluetooth downgrade, 480p HD recording, it makes it a very difficult buy. In other words, the price isn't only about money anymore. It feels like you're giving up a lot more.
And I'm not sure Google/Sammy should get away with it.
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Future-proof? Really? Might as well not buy anything.

DKYang said:
Future-proof? Really? Might as well not buy anything.
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"...as future-proof as it should be, at least into the year 2011"
DKYang, the Nexus brand is said to represent and pave the way for all other Android devices to follow. Given this standard, it's baffling that dual-cores may be available as Jan/Feb 2011, mere months away. Yes, technology advances at breakneck speeds, but a couple of months may be worth waiting for to see what else is available. Not supporting "4G" seems odd too when you consider where all four major carriers are going, and given handsets exist now that support it. Downgrades to the HD video recording, expandable SD slot, bluetooth, and omission of LED light are other detractors. It seems to me, there is more than the hefty $529 dollar price tag to pay. You'd have to give up a lot more.
And the reason for all this, I suspect, is because Google/Sammy rushed a Nexus branded phone.
Related: Is one of the [few] things that sets the Nexus S apart, the NFC chip, read-only as reported by Android Police? http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...led-its-one-way-only-and-not-the-way-we-want/ If so, that would be disappointing. It would mean the NFC is just a more convenient bar code scanner. I hope they are wrong.
The advantage of getting the Nexus S at those prices (meaning both money and what has to be given up) keeps dwindling down; down to essentially getting direct and clean Android updates. To some this may be worth it.

Motorola buyout and pure google experience handsets?

So any news on the whole "pure Google vanilla android" line of devices that was supposed to be coming out around Thanksgiving? It was all over the interwebz and then I seriously just stopped hearing about it completely.. it was right after the big Motorola buyout and apparently Google was supposed to be having a bunch of OEMs make pretty much the sameish model phone with vanilla android. I was so excited and then news just stopped! Anyone know any more about this? Opinions?
Edit: found a link to what I was talking about though I'm pretty sure I read the original on tc or engadget..
http://tegadgets.blogspot.com/2012/05/google-to-tie-up-with-multiple-oems-to.html?m=1

I just saw on my flipboard feed that Sony is considering an aosp device. Dunno if it's a result of the oem band up, but it looks cool.

I don't think the Motorola buyouts main reason was to take over phone production, but to get the patents to sue Apple. Also from what I remember reading it was more vague like 5 new nexus devices by Thanksgiving. So that would include Nexus 7 and Nexus Q. Maybe by Thanksgiving we'll have a new 10" Nexus tablet and the new Nexus Phone bringing it up to 4 or we could have a few new phone options. We'll have to wait and see.

Futant55 said:
I don't think the Motorola buyouts main reason was to take over phone production, but to get the patents to sue Apple. Also from what I remember reading it was more vague like 5 new nexus devices by Thanksgiving. So that would include Nexus 7 and Nexus Q. Maybe by Thanksgiving we'll have a new 10" Nexus tablet and the new Nexus Phone bringing it up to 4 or we could have a few new phone options. We'll have to wait and see.
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I got the impression it would be five new nexus phones, vanilla android , through five different OEMs. I guess it could be device , not specifically phone. Buy I wouldn't count nexus q, that's just me though. If anything I'd love to see a Motorola branded nexus. Never owned anything Motorola but they.certainly seem like they have good hardware

Latest rumor is now Galaxy 2, LG and Sony nexus phones. So we will see, any new addition would be awesome.
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Nexus devices always remain slightly underpowered when compared to flagship models. I'm of the belief that if Google simply forced manufacturers to release proprietary drivers, every device under the sun would be aosp capable, but I digress.
My next device will probably be a nexus, and if these rumours hold true, all the better for me

Google X Phone= Motorola Nexus 5

Hi everyone,
After reading this article, and the recent blaming game between LG and Google over low supply of Nexus 4,
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/21/...rking-with-motorola-to-design-its-own-x-phone
Theoretically, if LG would make the Nexus 5 from their own flagship device of Optimus G Pro, most consumers would definitely choose the cheaper version Nexus 5 and it would definitely be a business loss for LG flagship device'slow sales (Optimus G Pro)
I think it only make sense that Google would manufacture their next flagship device by their own OEM, Motorola Mobile division. and perhaps if this will be true. Motorola brand would return its good press impression in the mobile tech world.
what do you think, guys?

I think Google will tap Motorola to build a stock Android device eventually. But when ? Most think maybe end of this year, possibly the Nexus-Five.
Others say no, Google is afraid of pissing off partners like Samsung, HTC, Sony, etc...And we might never see a Motorola Nexus.
Time will tell, but doubt we hear any news until Google I/O in May, and even then don't surprise to hear no Motorola news. I think it might be 2014.
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I think Google/Motorola will be cranking out phones in a year or two.
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Lot of news and rumors building around the Xphone recently. I think it WILL be announced in May. It'd be perfect time. Announce Android 5.0 on Xphone. Will be double breakthrough for Goog

I was hoping for an announcement at I/O, but if Google's CFO was speaking truth and not misdirection, it seems like the chances of that happening are less than I originally hoped. I'm running with my Toro right now, and it is sufficing thanks to some great ROMs (see MMuzzy's at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762846), but I would love to get my hands on newer tech. The real question right now for me tho is, which carrier will that be with??

They are gonna be separate device imo. :silly: nexus 5 will release in october-ish and "x" phone in summer. I want to buy any fro th either of two (would prefer nexus) which releases quicker. I'm not buying the nexus 4 cuz i'm waiting for either the nexus 5 or motorola "x" , hopefully the motorolla x will run stock android.

They worked together already a while back when creating the XOOM By Google and it was a complete success, I wouldn't mind if the next Nexus phone be Motorola... But I always wanted even after realizing that it's almost impossible; an Asus phone .. "ASUS Nexus 5 by Google" Ohh that sounds sweet, BUT...

[Q] My new N5 makes me want to have a Nexus Forever

So i just got my first Nexus. I have had plenty of Android phones in the past. My only concern now is the N5 going to be the last Nexus or will they release a Nexus6 later on?

New2Nexus said:
So i just got my first Nexus. I have had plenty of Android phones in the past. My only concern now is the N5 going to be the last Nexus or will they release a Nexus6 later on?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477886

No one here knows what Googles future plans are

Looks like there'll be no more nexus phones D:
http://www.redmondpie.com/google-re...l-be-replaced-by-google-play-edition-devices/

Seeing as they just got rid of Motorola, I'd guess they will continue with their Nexus devices for a while still. Don't mistake rumor for fact.

People said the nexus line was finished after the horrible start with the nexus one.
Then Google figured out how to sell the galaxy nexus via the play store.
Here we are and the nexus 5 is kicking butt.
Probably just a rumor. Everyone knows prepaid wireless is the future, and that on contract phones are for suckers.
If companies like xiaomi can make dirt cheap flagships, there will always be a nexus program.
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Previous posts in the thread have been speculation, and pretty false speculation at that. The Nexus brand has been immensely popular, and it has received praise in being a strictly stock Android experience. There will always be a following in this market, so you have nothing to worry about for several years.

[Q] Is a Nexus 5 2014 model still a possibility?

Now that the Nexus 6 cat is out of the bag and it's obvious the Nexus 6 isn't the successor to the Nexus 5, does anyone think it's still possible that Google will release a 2014 model Nexus 5? While the Nexus 6 looks like a beautiful device, it's monstorous and breaks the bank for many members of the Nexus customer base. Does anyone think that just maybe Google has new Nexus 5 model (i.e. a Motorola Nexus 5) up their sleeve but they're keeping it under wraps because they don't want to overshadow the new flagship devices with higher profit margins? Truth be told, I and I'm sure many others don't want a phablet and aren't willing to spend $650 on a phone so an updated Nexus 5 would be a welcome edition to the new lineup. We all know that inflation is a reality so the days of a high-end handset for $350 are over. Personally I would be willing to pay up to $500 for a Nexus 5 with 2014 hardware and flagship build quality as much as I love my Nexus 5. If Google were to release a 2014 Nexus 5 it would keep in tradition with the Nexus program since its inception and would provide developers with a top-of-the-line developer phone for a reasonable price. So does anyone else think that this is a possibility or is it all just wishful thinking?

talk about conspiracy theories..
na, itll be the same 'ole nexus 5.

It would be welcome, but it makes no sense whatsoever to do that.

If I want to refresh my Nexus5, I plug in an Anker external battery.
Or I could use my OnePlus.

It's possible to release a smaller phone they did keep the 5 so it's not likely to replace it. Now what the name is if a smaller device is released in 2015 is another story. Nexus 6 mini, nexus 6, Android silver, nexus 5, "nexus", nexus "insert oem name like xperia, one etc
Anything is possible, last year it would seem impossible for Google to release a 6 inch phone but they did.

I don't think they will have a "2014" nexus 5 edition, but will keep selling the 5 as a smaller version for people who don't like phones that big.

"Updated" Nexus 5 (or whatever it will be called) with 5'' screen seems to be a logical step to me. Just a question of time.

I think it would be nexus 5 2015 with snapdragon 810 x64:laugh:

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Now that the Nexus 6 cat is out of the bag and it's obvious the Nexus 6 isn't the successor to the Nexus 5, does anyone think it's still possible that Google will release a 2014 model Nexus 5? While the Nexus 6 looks like a beautiful device, it's monstorous and breaks the bank for many members of the Nexus customer base. Does anyone think that just maybe Google has new Nexus 5 model (i.e. a Motorola Nexus 5) up their sleeve but they're keeping it under wraps because they don't want to overshadow the new flagship devices with higher profit margins? Truth be told, I and I'm sure many others don't want a phablet and aren't willing to spend $650 on a phone so an updated Nexus 5 would be a welcome edition to the new lineup. We all know that inflation is a reality so the days of a high-end handset for $350 are over. Personally I would be willing to pay up to $500 for a Nexus 5 with 2014 hardware and flagship build quality as much as I love my Nexus 5. If Google were to release a 2014 Nexus 5 it would keep in tradition with the Nexus program since its inception and would provide developers with a top-of-the-line developer phone for a reasonable price. So does anyone else think that this is a possibility or is it all just wishful thinking?
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I will admit that's some good thinking. Unfortunately, for profit margin concerns like you stated... I don't think it would make sense for them. Most people can afford a flagship or have jobs. The iPhone 6 Plus is a rather big device. Google knew they had to stay another step ahead of Apple and that's probably why were seeing a phablet and not a phone.
I don't have an issue with the size whatsoever. I have an issue with that price though. If I wanted to pay 550 or more for a phone.. I would have gotten an S5 or LG G3. I remember my total from purchasing the Nexus 5 32GB wasn't even over 435$ with taxes included. In fact the 16GB model was so cheap I decided to spend a little extra and get a bigger model since it wasn't pricey to begin with, got a case too.
Now take the following into consideration. You have to pay taxes on the price of the Nexus 6, and most people will get a case or want a case and perhaps insurance. When it's all said and done you're looking at a rather large 3 digit figure.
The only easy way most of us are going to even touch a Nexus 6 will unfortunately be through pay as you go programs such as JUMP from T-Mobile where you pay a monthly fee. If the Nexus 6 survives the hype... Ill be looking into JUMP. And hopefully Motorola + carriers don't have an agreement to lock the device. I think Motorola and instantly think of Verizon and those very not sexy locked bootloaders.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm tired but can't sleep lol..

TheLastSidekick said:
I will admit that's some good thinking. Unfortunately, for profit margin concerns like you stated... I don't think it would make sense for them. Most people can afford a flagship or have jobs. The iPhone 6 Plus is a rather big device. Google knew they had to stay another step ahead of Apple and that's probably why were seeing a phablet and not a phone.
I don't have an issue with the size whatsoever. I have an issue with that price though. If I wanted to pay 550 or more for a phone.. I would have gotten an S5 or LG G3. I remember my total from purchasing the Nexus 5 32GB wasn't even over 435$ with taxes included. In fact the 16GB model was so cheap I decided to spend a little extra and get a bigger model since it wasn't pricey to begin with, got a case too.
Now take the following into consideration. You have to pay taxes on the price of the Nexus 6, and most people will get a case or want a case and perhaps insurance. When it's all said and done you're looking at a rather large 3 digit figure.
The only easy way most of us are going to even touch a Nexus 6 will unfortunately be through pay as you go programs such as JUMP from T-Mobile where you pay a monthly fee. If the Nexus 6 survives the hype... Ill be looking into JUMP. And hopefully Motorola + carriers don't have an agreement to lock the device. I think Motorola and instantly think of Verizon and those very not sexy locked bootloaders.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm tired but can't sleep lol..
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Adding to this, the Nexus 6 doesn't have a full aluminum construction either and this is probably just what the other OEMs wanted. I wonder by how much the next flagships from LG, Samsung, HTC would cost, they're bound to increase the price even further.
Gonna wait for the nexus 5 2015 edition or go for the new moto x seems a much more vfm device this time around.

One theory of the price hike I have heard is that OEM's are getting upset about making a device for google, then getting undercut by that device.... Which makes sense... So maybe there will be no more cheap Nexus devices

I dont see it as OEM play, but more like carrier pressure, nexus have been from the first google play release, a developer phone, not an premium phone but a top of the line afordable phone for developers to get something to work with. Since the nexus line never needed publicity and were always based on existing devices no great efford was needed to create it so with some help from from google it could be launch at a good price.
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But since now the launch is with help of all major carriers i think they made great preassure to make the price equal and profitable for them.
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TheLastSidekick said:
Most people can afford a flagship or have jobs.
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To say most people can afford a $649 phone is the definition of misguided.

rootSU said:
One theory of the price hike I have heard is that OEM's are getting upset about making a device for google, then getting undercut by that device.... Which makes sense... So maybe there will be no more cheap Nexus devices
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I think the price hike is due to them making it available and being sold by all carriers. If they sold it in the play store for a cheaper price, they would be competing with all the carriers. Everyone would just buy it through Google and activate it on whatever carrier they are on. And I don't think the carriers would be happy about that.
And as far as a new Nexus 5. We don't really NEED one. Our Nexus 5 is still a great performer. Google doesn't need to spend more money on a spec bump phone.

I could see some sort of the Nexus 5. I don't envision Google going forward with only a phablet as there are a lot of people who just won't a phone that big, they'd be cutting off a big chunk of the market by not keeping a more reasonably sized phone (and reasonably priced). And if they don't keep a smaller one, people will just buy a Moto G or Moto X instead, which means less money for Google in the end.

scottharris4 said:
I could see some sort of the Nexus 5. I don't envision Google going forward with only a phablet as there are a lot of people who just won't a phone that big, they'd be cutting off a big chunk of the market by not keeping a more reasonably sized phone (and reasonably priced). And if they don't keep a smaller one, people will just buy a Moto G or Moto X instead, which means less money for Google in the end.
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Everyone in here is talking like the Nexus 5 is outdated and doesn't exist anymore. I'm not understanding why people feel that the Nexus 5 needs to be updated right now.

jsgraphicart said:
Everyone in here is talking like the Nexus 5 is outdated and doesn't exist anymore. I'm not understanding why people feel that the Nexus 5 needs to be updated right now.
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I didn't say it did, but it's not very often a device gets overlooked one year and ever survives for another new model phase. That's the concern...

scottharris4 said:
I didn't say it did, but it's not very often a device gets overlooked one year and ever survives for another new model phase. That's the concern...
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I don't think they overlooked it. I think they still believe that the Nexus 5 is still great as it is (which it is). So they decided to add another device to their lineup. A bigger device is good as another option since a lot of phones are going that route and seem to be popular. The Nexus 5 is still going to be sold along with the Nexus 6 so they aren't tossing it to the curb or anything. Next year the Nexus 5 will probably be due for an update.

jsgraphicart said:
Next year the Nexus 5 will probably be due for an update.
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That's basically what I just said!

scottharris4 said:
That's basically what I just said!
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I thought we were on the topic about them making a new Nexus 5 this year. lol