I hope more light is shed regarding the Nexus S story. Some things don't add up to me.
Google's Eric Schmidt said during the Summer that there would be no Nexus Two, saying that the Nexus One accomplished what they set out to do. Some have construed this to mean other things, and even Eric himself has said what he really meant was that he didn't want to use the name "Nexus 2" or something to that effect. Is this true? I'm not sure. Or did Google see the success of Samsung's Galaxy S line to all four major carriers (and others), which was something Google was hoping to accomplish with the Nexus One, and see the quality of Samsung's SAMOLED and felt it would optimize 2.3's darker color format well, and so decided to reach out to them to have them revise their Galaxy S line to a Nexus brand? Or did Google reach out to them before they released the Galaxy line to make the next Nexus, and if so, why would Eric make such comment implying there would be no future Nexus phones? It could, of course, be simple misdirection.
Considering the Nexus S is not being developed from the ground up, and is more or less based on the Galaxy S line, research, development, and manufacturing time could have been accomplished between the late Summer/early Fall release of Galaxy phones to now December, for the Nexus S launch. Considering Samsung doesn't seem to have any real history of "shortages," their manufacturing plants could be up for the challenge?
Then, you have the supposed "delay" of the Nexus S. It turns out the Best Buy leaked specs were real (the official specs is almost exactly what the BB specs said it would be - 1 GHz single core, no HSPA+ support...). So what was the delay? Well, just last week the FFC received radio changes to the i9020 model (aka the Nexus S number). Was that the slight hardward delay/tweak? And not what Androidandme thought was the scrapping of single-core to have dual-core? But they also said dual-core Nexus S prototypes were out in the wild in testing. Did the tests not go well with Gingerbread, which has been reported to not be optimized yet for dual-cores, and thus Google deciding to stick to the single-core for final production? Or were those supposedly dual-core Nexus S prototypes really prototypes of Samsung's i9200 phones, aka Galaxy S2?
I don't know. This is all speculation and musing. The Nexus S story doesn't add up. Given some baffling decisions regarding the official specs - namely lack of HSPA+ (or "4G") support - I suspect Google rushed this when they saw the success of Galaxy S and Samsung's SAMOLED technology, and tried, but couldn't get dual-cores to work properly and in time to meet their December release deadline (Gingerbread had to be released before Christmas).
Is a dual-core, HSPA+ capable Nexus S floating around out there in prototype/testing form to be released in 2011? Does the Nexus S story add up to you guys?
We can only dream. I wish it was Orion. I wish it was HSPA+. But this is the real world
I think that Google just realized that they scrapped the Nexus One for the wrong reasons.
It didn't sell well, and the support was apparently a nightmare. But the product itself was (and still is) very good. So they're trying again, but this time they're leaving the logistics to the professionals. And it will be sold all over the world.
I think the Nexus S will be a huge hit, despite its many shortcomings. It doesn't come with a premium price and bragging rights, and it's not so big that you feel silly using it as a phone. It's not extreme in any way, it's just an affordable and capable phone.
And with no strings attached. No carrier lock-in, which is so strangely popular in the US. No pre-installed crapware to drive you crazy. OS updates directly from Google. Unlocked, which is almost unheard of in the US.
The Nexus S will probably also give the NFC technology critical mass. Which will not at all be popular with the credit card companies. Heh, it will be wildly unpopular with the US-based carriers anyway. Users will love the phone, big corporations will hate it.
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I think the Nexus S will be a huge hit, despite its many shortcomings. It doesn't come with a premium price and bragging rights, and it's not so big that you feel silly using it as a phone. It's not extreme in any way, it's just an affordable and capable phone.
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I think it will be a hit as well -- the early negative response comes mainly from people already on Android devices that were expecting another quantum leap in hardware.
But the pricing is actually exactly identical to the Nexus One -- $529 unlocked, $199 with a two-year contract. That spells "premium" to me.
It is a tough sell for anyone who already has a premium Android device.
You are asking them to fork over $530 for a device which only does 2, maybe 3 things that their premium handset won't be capable of (when Gingerbread comes out for their device).
Nexus S looks like a solid phone. Honestly, the lack of a microSD card is the primary reason I won't purchase it Dec. 16.
I already have a Vibrant, so its a tough sell for what amounts to a small upgrade.
I thought that my next purchase would be a gingerbread device, but I might wait until Honeycomb.
Nexus S Headed to Verizon with 4G? Rumors Begin to Swirl http://phandroid.com/2010/12/07/nexus-s-headed-to-verizon-with-4g-rumors-begin-to-swirl/
the Nexus One failed because of how google handeled it.
Also look at the setup google has done with the youtube page, twitter and even the main page, they all say NEXUS. The S is always seperated by a line, or not there.
Ontop of that you also see the new Pure Google branding on the videos.
This leads me to believe that google has revived the Nexus branding to be any pure google phone and the Nexus S is the first phone in this new branding, and there will be more to come.
Most likely the whole dual core story is legit but google couldn't finish it in time so they pushed it to honeycomb.
And i believe that maybe around late summer 2011 we'll see a new nexus, probably based on the nexus S or galaxy 2, with a dual core orion and honeycomb.
Or if were lucky, a tegra device.
Nexus one was NOT a failure for Google.
I don't think the Nexus One was a failure for Google.
Google's main goal with producing the Nexus One was to force manufacturers to manufacture better more powerful android handsets, without imposing Apple (or Microsoft with WP7) like restrictions on the hardware.
Look at what was available when the Nexus One was announced; with the exception of the original Droid, almost all of the handsets were running slow, outdated processors, and less than 512 MB of RAM. The hardware at the time was holding the Android OS back. Google wanted to show what was possible with the Android OS if the hardware was as capable as the software.
Look at the handsets available after the Nexus One, we have handsets available on every major carrier in the US with 1 Ghz processors and at least 512 MB of RAM.
Manufacturers and carriers responded to the Nexus One by producing better hardware. Google got exactly what it wanted, hardware that was capable of really supporting the full capabilities of the Android OS.
I think Google should; and will probably will, continue producing a Nexus branded handset periodically just to continue to show what is possible with top end hardware, and a pure Google Android OS.
Google's goal was never to mass produce the Nexus One and become a competitor to its handset manufacturer partners, but to show what the Android OS is capable of. The Nexus is a halo product for Android, never intended for mass market. If mass market was the goal more distribution channels would be open; even the Nexus S is not being sold in traditional carrier stores, only Best Buy.
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If mass market was the goal more distribution channels would be open; even the Nexus S is not being sold in traditional carrier stores, only Best Buy.
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I think the Nexus S is a mass market phone. It's coming to Norway (Spring 2011), and we don't have Best Buy.
Picking nits, the Nexus S isn't being sold anywhere right now, but Best Buy will be selling them shortly, and other chains and stores all over the world will follow in due course. They probably want to "test the waters" in a few select markets first, to decide how much they have to ramp up the production.
If the Nexus One had been more accessible, I would have bought one.
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I don't think the Nexus One was a failure for Google.
Google's main goal with producing the Nexus One was to force manufacturers to manufacture better more powerful android handsets, without imposing Apple (or Microsoft with WP7) like restrictions on the hardware.
Look at what was available when the Nexus One was announced; with the exception of the original Droid, almost all of the handsets were running slow, outdated processors, and less than 512 MB of RAM. The hardware at the time was holding the Android OS back. Google wanted to show what was possible with the Android OS if the hardware was as capable as the software.
Look at the handsets available after the Nexus One, we have handsets available on every major carrier in the US with 1 Ghz processors and at least 512 MB of RAM.
Manufacturers and carriers responded to the Nexus One by producing better hardware. Google got exactly what it wanted, hardware that was capable of really supporting the full capabilities of the Android OS.
I think Google should; and will probably will, continue producing a Nexus branded handset periodically just to continue to show what is possible with top end hardware, and a pure Google Android OS.
Google's goal was never to mass produce the Nexus One and become a competitor to its handset manufacturer partners, but to show what the Android OS is capable of. The Nexus is a halo product for Android, never intended for mass market. If mass market was the goal more distribution channels would be open; even the Nexus S is not being sold in traditional carrier stores, only Best Buy.
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very true, i should of worded myself differently. you are correct in that the nexus one seceded there, i meant that the business model of trying to sell it the way they did failed. which as you pointed out they said was never the goal, but it would of been nice lol.
With that said, the new direction of the Nexus branding should really help, best buy will sure be advertising the phone like crazy and will hopefully boost people wanting more pure android devices.
I'm sure that distribution will be different in other parts of the world (as it was for the Nexus One), but in the US the majority of customers get their handsets from carrier stores.
Google is skipping the carriers with the Nexus S the same way they did with the Nexus One. They are adding Best Buy as a distributor in the U.S. but still keeping away from the majority of the retailers.
Google is expanding on the online only distribution of the Nexus One, but not by much.
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I'm sure that distribution will be different in other parts of the world (as it was for the Nexus One), but in the US the majority of customers get their handsets from carrier stores.
Google is skipping the carriers with the Nexus S the same way they did with the Nexus One. They are adding Best Buy as a distributor in the U.S. but still keeping away from the majority of the retailers.
Google is expanding on the online only distribution of the Nexus One, but not by much.
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you'd be surprised how many people go to best buy for their phone service. Best Buy's cell phone division has been growing at an insane rate and now they have Best Buy Mobile stores popping up in malls all around the country, and the ones i've seen are packed.
Combine that, with best buys massive advertising budget and the Nexus S will sell very well.
I think Best Buy will help the Nexus S sell and it will likely sell far better than the Nexus One because of this, but restricting distribution to one retailer (which is not available everywhere) is still going to limit total sales.
The point I have been trying to make is that Google's purpose behind the Nexus One and the Nexus S is not only to sell the handset, it is more about promoting Android as an OS. As long as Google sells enough Nexus handsets to not loose money they will be happy.
If Google's goal was to sell as many Nexus S handsets as possible they would want to get them into as many distribution channels as possible, including carrier stores.
Just like Chevy selling the Z06 corvette, it is a halo product that lets them show off what is possible.
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I think Best Buy will help the Nexus S sell and it will likely sell far better than the Nexus One because of this, but restricting distribution to one retailer (which is not available everywhere) is still going to limit total sales.
The point I have been trying to make is that Google's purpose behind the Nexus One and the Nexus S is not only to sell the handset, it is more about promoting Android as an OS. As long as Google sells enough Nexus handsets to not loose money they will be happy.
If Google's goal was to sell as many Nexus S handsets as possible they would want to get them into as many distribution channels as possible, including carrier stores.
Just like Chevy selling the Z06 corvette, it is a halo product that lets them show off what is possible.
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it's true that best buy is not everywhere but you can buy it through bestbuy.com, even with a service plan and have it shipped anywhere in the 50 states, so theres that.
luckily i have 4 best buys near me and a best buy mobile so all i'm hoping is that one has a live display model for me to play with before i make a decision.
I feel lack of sd slot and multicore are show stoppers. At the same with samsung growing galaxy market share the device makes since.
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I agree that something does not seem quite right about this release. Although for me the non-removable sd and and lack os hspa+ don't bother me, the chance that a dual core is a couple months aways would irritate me if I did buy this one. I know there is always something better coming out, but if its only a couple more months I am inclined to wait.
I guess for me the biggest question is if a dual core does come out will it also be available on t-mobile or will it be a verizon or att phone. If that was the case I would switch carriers. It happened with the lcd flash and the galaxy line, t-mobiles vibrant did not have flash but I believe the verizon version got flash. T-mobiles handsets never got updated.
honestly i don't think gingerbread has any dual core support. I think google moved that all onto honeycomb, so you wont see a single dual core phone released until honeycomb is out which probably won't be until summer for phones.
I think the real issue for most people is having to drop $529 dollars on a phone that isn't as future-proof as it should be, at least into the year 2011. I suspect the Google/Sammy partnership came mid-year, either during or right after the success of the Galaxy S, and they rushed to get us a Nexus branded phone with Gingerbread shipped before Xmas. This isn't even so much about dual-core vs. single-core, it's more about the lack of HSPA+ support. All four major carriers are pushing "4G" for the standard in 2011, and there are even handsets out currently that already support it. If dual-core is that important (and it is to some people), they are literally just around the corner. 2011 is weeks away, and it's suspected dual-cores will start coming out Jan/February. It's true that technology moves at a breakneck speed, but a month or two away may be worth waiting for, considering the hefty price tag for an un-contracted Nexus S. Along with other detractors - ranging from small to big depending on people's preferences - like lack of expandable SD card slot, lack of LED light, Bluetooth downgrade, 480p HD recording, it makes it a very difficult buy. In other words, the price isn't only about money anymore. It feels like you're giving up a lot more.
And I'm not sure Google/Sammy should get away with it.
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I think the real issue for most people is having to drop $529 dollars on a phone that isn't as future-proof as it should be, at least into the year 2011. I suspect the Google/Sammy partnership came mid-year, either during or right after the success of the Galaxy S, and they rushed to get us a Nexus branded phone with Gingerbread shipped before Xmas. This isn't even so much about dual-core vs. single-core, it's more about the lack of HSPA+ support. All four major carriers are pushing "4G" for the standard in 2011, and there are even handsets out currently that already support it. If dual-core is that important (and it is to some people), they are literally just around the corner. 2011 is weeks away, and it's suspected dual-cores will start coming out Jan/February. It's true that technology moves at a breakneck speed, but a month or two away may be worth waiting for, considering the hefty price tag for an un-contracted Nexus S. Along with other detractors - ranging from small to big depending on people's preferences - like lack of expandable SD card slot, lack of LED light, Bluetooth downgrade, 480p HD recording, it makes it a very difficult buy. In other words, the price isn't only about money anymore. It feels like you're giving up a lot more.
And I'm not sure Google/Sammy should get away with it.
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Future-proof? Really? Might as well not buy anything.
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Future-proof? Really? Might as well not buy anything.
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"...as future-proof as it should be, at least into the year 2011"
DKYang, the Nexus brand is said to represent and pave the way for all other Android devices to follow. Given this standard, it's baffling that dual-cores may be available as Jan/Feb 2011, mere months away. Yes, technology advances at breakneck speeds, but a couple of months may be worth waiting for to see what else is available. Not supporting "4G" seems odd too when you consider where all four major carriers are going, and given handsets exist now that support it. Downgrades to the HD video recording, expandable SD slot, bluetooth, and omission of LED light are other detractors. It seems to me, there is more than the hefty $529 dollar price tag to pay. You'd have to give up a lot more.
And the reason for all this, I suspect, is because Google/Sammy rushed a Nexus branded phone.
Related: Is one of the [few] things that sets the Nexus S apart, the NFC chip, read-only as reported by Android Police? http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...led-its-one-way-only-and-not-the-way-we-want/ If so, that would be disappointing. It would mean the NFC is just a more convenient bar code scanner. I hope they are wrong.
The advantage of getting the Nexus S at those prices (meaning both money and what has to be given up) keeps dwindling down; down to essentially getting direct and clean Android updates. To some this may be worth it.
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well it finally happened. not giving up android for anything though. See for yourself.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/iphone.jsp
im surprised im the only one that really posted about this
Well, gee let's see:
1) last year's hardware with a different antenna
2) stuck on a CDMA network (while 98% of the world use GSM) that doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data
3) its only mentionable software is the app store (grandma loves playing with those games)
I don't blame people here from not talking about it..
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Well, gee let's see:
1) last year's hardware with a different antenna
2) stuck on a CDMA network (while 98% of the world use GSM) that doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data
3) its only mentionable software is the app store (grandma loves playing with those games)
I don't blame people here from not talking about it..
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1) The phone is less than 7 months old
2) Totally agree here, but then again most Verizon phones are CDMA only
3) The app store, agree with me or not, has some awesome apps in it and is still ahead of Android as far as searching/sifting through the crap goes.
Anywho, I will continue using my HD2 with NAND Android
I think it is weird for someone to buy this phone on February 10th when 4 months later Apple is MORE than likely going to release the iPhone5. If Verizon customers have been weighting years for this device to come to their network, what is the harm in waiting 4 more months to get the newest one. I know it isn't a guarantee Verizon will get the iPhone5 in June but its hard to see why they wouldn't.
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I think it is weird for someone to buy this phone on February 10th when 4 months later Apple is MORE than likely going to release the iPhone5. If Verizon customers have been weighting years for this device to come to their network, what is the harm in waiting 4 more months to get the newest one. I know it isn't a guarantee Verizon will get the iPhone5 in June but its hard to see why they wouldn't.
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My guess would be that the iPhone "5" will really be just a "4S", slight speed boost, maybe more storage, nothing to write home about though. Then next year when the 5 comes out Verizon and AT&T will both get handsets at the same time, in June.
Plus, realize that average customers don't know/care about release schedules. If they did, 6 months after the iPhone is released 0 would sell, which obviously isn't the case. Not everyone chases the latest and greatest devices like we do
if a five comes out- it WILL be a 4s like uberamd said. It wont be worth a new device it will just be something a software update would be. honestly, i also believe that some of the verizon smart phones could best the iphone in a comparison so unless the iphone becomes somthin totally different they may lose business. Hopefully the 4g service will come to verizon sooner than later.
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1) The phone is less than 7 months old
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Yes, the phone was released 7mos ago. The available hardware (as in similar phones with similar or better specs), however, is over a year old.
I can just imagine AT&T and Verizon releasing the iPhone 4GS, AT&T's will be the exact same with HSPA+ and Verizon's will have LTE. Other than that.. no differences.
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Yes, the phone was released 7mos ago. The available hardware (as in similar phones with similar or better specs), however, is over a year old.
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Who cares about specs? Go ask anyone outside these forums who isn't a gadget geek (and by that I mean go ask 99.99% of mobile users) how many MHz the processor in their phone is, or how much RAM it has. They will stare blankly at you. Why? They don't care. What they want is a good experience, and while I may be an Android user I am also willing to admit that the iPhone 4 delivers a silky smooth user experience. From the store to the high res responsive screen, its completely smooth.
I have likely gone from iPhone to Android much more than most people in these forums so I have experienced the pros and cons of each OS. In my experiences outside of geekdom, MHz, GHz, MB of RAM, and dual cores don't matter. UX reigns supreme.
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Who cares about specs? Go ask anyone outside these forums who isn't a gadget geek (and by that I mean go ask 99.99% of mobile users) how many MHz the processor in their phone is, or how much RAM it has. They will stare blankly at you. Why? They don't care. What they want is a good experience, and while I may be an Android user I am also willing to admit that the iPhone 4 delivers a silky smooth user experience. From the store to the high res responsive screen, its completely smooth.
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The OP asked why noone on a TECH FORUM has post about it. That's because people on a TECH FORUM SUCH AS XDA already know about the specs front and back. Learn to read.
The iPhone was sick when they first came out. 3 years later it's still the same phone in a different housing. I don't think I will ever get an iPhone again. Sold my 3g for a G1 when they first came out and never looked back.
Buying one right now would be a waste if you always have to have the latest and greatest with the "4S" or whatever it's going to be called a few months away.
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The OP asked why noone on a TECH FORUM has post about it. That's because people on a TECH FORUM SUCH AS XDA already know about the specs front and back. Learn to read.
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And I was responding to you about why the age of the device is irrelevant. There is no need to respond in that way, quit being so sensitive.
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And I was responding to you about why the age of the device is irrelevant. There is no need to respond in that way, quit being so sensitive.
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And I never said anything about release date or the age of the phone, did I? I said the hardware of the phone is a year old. I'm not being sensitive, i'm just teaching you what your english teacher should've taught you in school.
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And I never said anything about release date, did I? I said the hardware of the phone is a year old. I'm not being sensitive, i'm just teaching you what your english teacher should've taught you in school.
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Well, it was about interpretation. And less than 7 months != 12, and last time I checked a year was 12 months. Just trying to teach you something you should have learned in math class (see how funny that is ).
Also, if you notice, a different user mentioned this I think it is weird for someone to buy this phone on February 10th when 4 months later Apple is MORE than likely going to release the iPhone5. If Verizon customers have been weighting years for this device to come to their network... which started the discussion about Verizon customers in general, not just ones on these forums. Your reply, and attitude, is entirely uncalled for.
So not only do you fail to read but you also get side-track from comment to comment? The available HARDWARE was announced back in January 2009 (with the introduction of the toshiba tg01). That was the starting point. Even phones with bigger screen, bigger RAM, and 1ghz CPU were already available in store at the end of 2009. So since this thread was about the Verizon iphone 4, set to be released in 2011, it'll still be using technology/hardware already available back in 2009, and for the most part, early 2010...making the hardware a year old.
So what does saying the phone is 7mos old have to do with anything I replied to the OP?
I'm starting to think that english is not your first or even second language.
I'm done. Dealing with people like you isn't even worth my time.
So, who really cares ? It's a glorified app launcher anyway. Yea, it's pretty but, it's a apple.
This model is yesterday's news, it's 7 months old (longer before it was orgnally announced) Verizon and Apple know this. Every one who is a iPhone fanboy has been *****ing about AT&T's poor network, so verizon was the answer. So every sucker will go get a iPhone 4 from Verizon that is outdated and last years model JUST TO GET a iPhone on Verizon.
So, when the iPhone 5 (or what ever the next model is called) comes out, I am sure Verizon has there hands in the jar on that one, it will come with LTE and the way it should of been. Everyone who had to have one will be on a 2 year contract so they cant' change unless they pay the $350 or full price for the phone, then the people will be locked in for more years.
I think this iPhone was a model that was just designed to get rushed out the door, sure it will work ALMOST like AT&T's device but, it's nothing new(accept on a CDMA network).
I don't have interest in one but, I have a few family members who are and I hate to see them pay full price for a device that is outdated. I would expect for a flagship device on Verizon that they would do it right.
I would of prefered them to release it done right and wile they were at it, release a few Windows phone 7 models, you know, the better phone anyway
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So not only do you fail to read but you also get side-track from comment to comment? The available HARDWARE was announced back in January 2009 (with the introduction of the toshiba tg01). That was the starting point. Even phones with bigger screen, bigger RAM, and 1ghz CPU were already available in store at the end of 2009. So since this thread was about the Verizon iphone 4, set to be released in 2011, it'll still be using technology/hardware already available back in 2009, and for the most part, early 2010...making the hardware a year old.
So what does saying the phone is 7mos old have to do with anything I replied to the OP?
I'm starting to think that english is not your first or even second language.
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Wow do you like to talk back or what cookie?
As for the iPhone. Sorry fellers. It's a sick phone. So what if the 'hardware' is old? It has a higher resolution than almost any other phone right? How is that "old"? Also the Retina is way better than this "SLCD bs". I love the Super Amoled though.
Not only this, it doesn't NEED a dual core! Or anything more than it has even. Why? Because it runs intensive 3d games! Because it is fluid and smooth! What do you expect them to do?
All it's missing is a 4g radio. And it's way too early for that anyways. Why? 10mbps isn't real 4g. 10mbps isn't worth mentioning. I get 7 on T-Mobile THREE g. I'll get a 4g phone when it's 20+. Also then iPhone 4g will be out. For both AT&T and Verizon maybe?! Maybe! Lmao.
Either way. CDMA iPhone = ... Bad ESN + Flash to Cricket. Cheapass phone cheapass plan no contract. That's what I'd do. If I wanted an iPhone. But I have an iPod Touch and I love my T-Mobile service and my Nexus S.
And what's your huge problem with the CDMA iPhone 4? Cause CDMA is "crap" or something? Lolwut? Do you have any idea how big of a company Verizon is? Why is a CDMA company so successful? Why exactly do you think Apple is selling a CDMA iPhone?
Blah whatever. Haters gonna hate. But these haters must be nervous and threatened by an iPhone that isn't on AT&T crap. Honestly, I'm glad I have the choice to have an iPhone with 3G that isn't on AT&T if I want now. Doesn't mean I like the iPhone or am going to get one. But I'm glad I have the option.
Choice is a good thing.
^ CDMA is small as hell when compared to the rest of the world.
Anyway I guarantee this iPhone will sale more than everything on the market.
Oh and every game is not silky smooth on the iPhone. They crash and lag just like on Android. Do your research. Not all of them but there are some.
ugg did i start a fanboy war? dam im sorry.
well anyway i just saw what moto is releasing soon and they will be giving everything a run for their money. they have a tablet, the bionic, cliq2 and atrix. i am def getting the droidbionic.
it. is. sick.
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So many choice phrases to say right now.
****ing mind boggling.
As a Vibrant owner (since I haven't sold mine yet) I'm kind of pissed at this. It's like they're throwing salt in the wound. Samsung throws 2.2 on that phone before the one that's currently out, gives it a FFC which it was supposed to have from the get go (the hole for it is even there on the motherboard), and makes it HSPA+ capable? Will somebody please tell them that nobody's ever going to support them again since their apparent solution to the no update problem is to sell you a slightly updated version of the exact same phone instead of bringing the existing one with the same basic hardware up to the now out of date OS that it should have had 6 months ago.
in this case.. the Nexus S must of been the sequel to the Vibrant 4G *cough* Android 2.3 *cough*
Vibrant (2.1) -> Vibrant 4G (2.2) -> Nexus S (2.3 - forever)
Calm down folks. There's no release date and it likely won't be until at least next month. The i9000 will be almost a one year old phone by then, and the Vibrant was released last August, which makes it a 6 month old phone.
I'm not going to fault T-Mobile for releasing a better phone 6 months later; that's become a long time in terms of hardware development. I've resigned myself to a new phone every 6 months for as long as I feel compelled to have the "latest, greatest" device.
The picture looks like the same form factor as the current Vibrant; so if all the rest of the stuff is the same, that tells us that our NS, or even our Vibrants, are still pretty much top of the line devices.
Since this looks to be the same build as the current Vibrant, I wonder if it will have the same creaks and groans.
Since they've changed the radio chip (to support 21Mbs) I also wonder if it will still have the AT&T 1900Mhz 3G band support like the current Vibrant.
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Calm down folks. There's no release date and it likely won't be until at least next month. The i9000 will be almost a one year old phone by then, and the Vibrant was released last August, which makes it a 6 month old phone.
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please check your facts. we are talking about vibrant. not the i9000. the US version of the i9000 got dumped and was released much later than the Euro version. no front facing camera and different button lay out.
the vibrant is not even 6 months old as far as i know. " i am not very sure on this one. so maybe someone will check my facts on this lol "
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please check your facts. we are talking about vibrant. not the i9000. the US version of the i9000 got dumped and was released much later than the Euro version. no front facing camera and different button lay out.
the vibrant is not even 6 months old as far as i know. " i am not very sure on this one. so maybe someone will check my facts on this lol "
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Vibrant released on July 15th of 2010.
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please check your facts. we are talking about vibrant. not the i9000. the US version of the i9000 got dumped and was released much later than the Euro version. no front facing camera and different button lay out.
the vibrant is not even 6 months old as far as i know. " i am not very sure on this one. so maybe someone will check my facts on this lol "
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I agree, the Vibrant being replaced in less than 6 months with a better version once most people have already signed 2 year contracts is a tough pill to swallow for Vibrant owners.
It'd be like if Samsung came out with a "Nexus S Plus" in a couple of months that was more future proofed with HSPA+, SD card slot, HDMI output, etc... Nexus S owners would be pretty pissed and wouldn't want to be told to "calm down" either
Ah, the joys of the Apple system
i dont wanna be a douche-er here, but, why isnt this in the vibrant forum?
Samsung shouldn't be allowed to get away with this ****. It's disgusting how they release new phones before updating previous versions.
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Samsung shouldn't be allowed to get away with this ****. It's disgusting how they release new phones before updating previous versions.
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Its how tech works, thats like me saying Nvidia shouldnt have created a GTX580 because i just bought a GTX480....how dare they!
Galaxy S2 will be revealed in February: Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-mobile-boss-confirms-galaxy-s-successor-galaxy-tab-road/
Considering these phones will likely get enough developer support to see ports of any and all new iterations of Android released from Google (which usually end up being better and more feature-rich than stock anyway); considering you can replace Touchwiz (quite easily even without rooting); considering bloatware doesn't *really* do any harm; and considering Google only releases two major updates a year to the current Nexus phone, it makes me reconsider my position and the worth of the Nexus line.
Everyone will have different preferences, of course, but a lot of me wishes Google would directly challenge Apple with a "Google Experience" phone that isn't meant only to appease developers. In other words, a phone that does compete hardware wise, that does have a more uniformed OS experience that would cater to average-users, while retaining the customizable options and variety that sets the Android experience apart from iOS. That wouldn't sound bad at all.
Perhaps I just got the wrong phone, or perhaps I'm finding out Android isn't for me. Unfortunately, i don't agree with Apple's "the average user is an idiot" philosophy either. For what it's worth, I'm just thinking out loud.
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please check your facts. we are talking about vibrant. not the i9000. the US version of the i9000 got dumped and was released much later than the Euro version. no front facing camera and different button lay out.
the vibrant is not even 6 months old as far as i know. " i am not very sure on this one. so maybe someone will check my facts on this lol "
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Please check your facts before correcting people.
The Vibrant's official release date was supposed to be July 21, 2010, but looks like it came out a week early though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S#In_the_United_States
Let's see, August, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan...that's 6 months right there, and by the time this new Vibrant Plus comes out (next month, maybe later) it will be 7-8 months or more. There's no announced release date yet that I've seen.
Also, I know we're talking about the T-Mo Vibrant, but it's only a slight variant of the original i9000. I have owned both, and even disassembled both. They both use the same display, touchscreen, same cpu, same gpu, same just about everything internally except the radio and the capacitive buttons. You can even put the i9000 FFC into a Vibrant by just removing some paint, and I've place the Vibrant's speaker assembly into an i9000.
My point was that the basic technology of the ENTIRE Galaxy S line of phones is almost a year old now. The i9000 was demo'd in April 2010, and available for purchase in June 2010. In the phone world, 9-12 months is a very long time...they need to provide something new and exciting to sell more phones, and a 21Mbs radio probably fits that bill.
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I agree, the Vibrant being replaced in less than 6 months with a better version once most people have already signed 2 year contracts is a tough pill to swallow for Vibrant owners.
It'd be like if Samsung came out with a "Nexus S Plus" in a couple of months that was more future proofed with HSPA+, SD card slot, HDMI output, etc... Nexus S owners would be pretty pissed and wouldn't want to be told to "calm down" either
Ah, the joys of the Apple system
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But that's the reality of COMPETITION. Samsung Mobile exists to sell phones. They have to constantly come up with something that will tempt new buyers. Welcome to world of technology, and economics 101...there will always, make that ALWAYS be a better gadget out in just a few months.
Apple's in a class by itself...not that it's better than the others, but they have a very loyal and large audience that will only buy iPhones. They can get away with a longer product cycle because of that. I'm not sure how long that will last, though.
And if you hadn't noticed, there are probably a whole lot of angry iPhone 4 users who signed a 2-year contract for an AT&T iPhone 4 last July that are now pissing and moaning that it's not fair that they can get an iPhone 4 on Verizon now. That's just the way it is with cell deals and subsidies...if you don't like it, don't buy a phone under contract. I've paid cash and non-subsidized every phone I've bought in the last 18 months, including my iPhone 4.
Hey guys come on it's a "customer favourite"
If you hate Samsung for making the Vibrant Plus in the first place, you're REALLY going to hate them after reading this: http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
Allegedly they have Froyo ready to go for the Vibrant, but won't let T-Mo push it OTA for fear of hurting sales of the Vibrant Plus.
Why didn't the nexus s have the hspa+ and I feel like everyone that got the vibrant just got screwed.
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But that's the reality of COMPETITION. Samsung Mobile exists to sell phones. They have to constantly come up with something that will tempt new buyers. Welcome to world of technology, and economics 101...there will always, make that ALWAYS be a better gadget out in just a few months.
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Agreed. Makes sense when you put it like that
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Apple's in a class by itself...not that it's better than the others, but they have a very loyal and large audience that will only buy iPhones. They can get away with a longer product cycle because of that. I'm not sure how long that will last, though.
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Yeah I agree. It reminds me of when the Nexus One came out and set a standard for smartphones and looked really classy which caused alot of people to become loyal followers.
I wonder how long Apples loyalty will last if they don't set a new standard like they did with the iPhone 4 and you have a bunch of crazy Android phones (Atrix, Bionic, Optimus, etc) breathing down their neck?
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And if you hadn't noticed, there are probably a whole lot of angry iPhone 4 users who signed a 2-year contract for an AT&T iPhone 4 last July that are now pissing and moaning that it's not fair that they can get an iPhone 4 on Verizon now. That's just the way it is with cell deals and subsidies...if you don't like it, don't buy a phone under contract. I've paid cash and non-subsidized every phone I've bought in the last 18 months, including my iPhone 4.
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Good point I agree.
Cash for non-subsidized iPhone 4? wow
No one is forcing you to buy it, just wait.
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If you hate Samsung for making the Vibrant Plus in the first place, you're REALLY going to hate them after reading this: http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
Allegedly they have Froyo ready to go for the Vibrant, but won't let T-Mo push it OTA for fear of hurting sales of the Vibrant Plus.
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Wow if that's true then Samsung are some eeeeeeeeeeeevil mf'ers
Good find there dloop thanks for posting
Wonder if Samsung is the one telling Google not to give us N1 owners gingerbread as well... :angry:
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considering you can replace Touchwiz (quite easily even without rooting);
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There is no way that removing touchwiz is easy, and when i left the Captivate, (about a month ago now) there still wasn't a rom that had it 100% removed.
Phone companies should only be allowed to make 2 phones a year.
HTC- 2 one series
Samsung- 2 Galaxy series
Motorola- 2 Razr series
LG- 2 of whatever crap they are making
Nexus- 1 of the best pure phones a year.
This would fix so many problems with Android. Phones would actually be updated, less fragmentaion.
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Agreed, So that our phones wont be obsolete three months later.....
Even thats still alot of phones thats 9 phones a year from the bigger companies. But it would help. I mean how many Galaxy phones does samsung need to release?
Yeah one phone per year like Apple.
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Phone companies should only be allowed to make 2 phones a year.
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Is that like saying grocery stores should only be allowed to carry 2 kinds of cereal per year?
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Is that like saying grocery stores should only be allowed to carry 2 kinds of cereal per year?
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Agreed. If this were the case, companies would most likely make an expensive high-end phone, and then a crappy low-end phone. Thats not to good for business.
Fragmentation, in my opinion, is because of companies promising updates for a device and it never happens. They're lazy and want to make money off the latest devices. Its all smart business strategy.
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This would fix so many problems with Android. Phones would actually be updated, less fragmentaion.
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And it would also completely destroy one of the reasons I and many others like Android so much, which is that you have so much choice over your phone. There's pretty much an Android phone for everyone now, from budget ones for those who want to use it pretty much purely for communication purposes to the high end phones for power users. If companies were to release just one or two phones a year, it would have to be a flagship device and a budget one. There wouldn't be an option for people like me who want a mid-range phone.
Your argument is also slightly flawed in that of course there would be more official updates, but who needs official updates when you have XDA?
No.
The point of android is choice. From budget phones for the people that need a cheep smartphone, mid-range ones for most users, "flagship" phones for those that want the latest and greatest. Big screens, small screens, physical keyboards, SD slots, you name it...
I do, however, agree that some companies *khm* samsung *khm* release so many models that neither users or the company itself know what's out there.
The biggest issue is the fact that relatively few companies release even the new phones with the latest version. HTC for example has almost all 2012 phone running ICS with upgrades coming out for most 2011 phones. Samsung on the other hand has the S2 upgraded, and the S3 as the ICS flagship. Almost everything else is coming out with GB with upgrade possibilities being very slim...
Surely the simplest solution would be for a phone maker to guarantee updates for two years on some phones and this would also encourage people who want an up to date phone to also purchase one of those with guaranteed updates.
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Phone companies should only be allowed to make 2 phones a year.
HTC- 2 one series
Samsung- 2 Galaxy series
Motorola- 2 Razr series
LG- 2 of whatever crap they are making
Nexus- 1 of the best pure phones a year.
This would fix so many problems with Android. Phones would actually be updated, less fragmentaion.
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You've forgotten the HTC One V
The thing you have to realise is there are tiers when it comes to mobile phone markets.
Putting it simply there's the entry, mid, and high.
Someone who wants a powerful phone isn't going to be happy with an entry or mid level handset.
Someone who can only afford an entry level handset isn't going to be able to buy a high end phone.
Simples.
I hate samsung for lack of updates to such a great phones as e.g. sgs+
So today Samsung officially announced their new low-end phone, the Galaxy Music.
http://m.gsmarena.com/the_samsung_g...icial_has_a_dualsim_version_too-news-4921.php
Why did this make me rage? It has 850 MHz processor, and 512 mb of ram, and is running touchwiz ICS.
You know, the same touchwiz ICS that Samsung said is unable to run on our phone. We have a faster processor and the same amount of ram as this device, but they said it couldn't run on our device.
Why Samsung? Why would you lie to us?
Wow I agree
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still good news if someone is able to port the ROM to our phones.
The Nexus S has it, lots of other phones do with the same specs. It's who they decide to screw over and sadly our phones that get sold to the smaller carriers using the 1700 spectrum get left out. My old Alcatel phone got left at 2.1, while the new version that came out with identical specs but no slide out keyboard had 2.3. There is other phones at Wind (the Canadian TMobile) that got left behind too. Guess they don't sell enough to justify it or just don't care. lol.
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The Nexus S has it, lots of other phones do with the same specs. It's who they decide to screw over and sadly our phones that get sold to the smaller carriers using the 1700 spectrum get left out. My old Alcatel phone got left at 2.1, while the new version that came out with identical specs but no slide out keyboard had 2.3. There is other phones at Wind (the Canadian TMobile) that got left behind too. Guess they don't sell enough to justify it or just don't care. lol.
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The galaxy s line was one of the best selling android phones at the time. There were millions sold, enough the justify an update. This makes me want to stay away from Samsung, who's to say they won't give the same treatment to the galaxy s 3 or note 2 after a year?
"They" will. Once a phone is no longer "new" the carriers don't have incentives to pay the manufacturer to update the phone. The manufacturer has no incentive once the phone has faded to the point that it no longer can demand a high price from the carrier.
It's not a Samsung thing. It will be for any market players.
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Yeah this isnt something new look at what Motorola just did. They promised ICS to several devices and just went back on that. There is no implied or contractual standing that manufacturers have to provide a update beyond what the phone is shipped with. I know there is some agreements between Google and the manufacturers but with what Motorola just did its proof that is easy to get out of.
When you buy a pc do you get guaranteed updates to the OS for free? Im glad we have the ability to build our own versions and install on the devices.
Look at all the people that bought a brand new PowerPC Mac, then Mac switched to Intel/X86 chips. Sure, for the first year or so, they got updates and people made software for both PowerPC and Intel Mac's, but that faded quick and now the new MacOS's are Intel only and all new Mac software is for Intel based Mac's. People bought a $4000 Mac and got screwed 6 months later.
And as stated above, it's not just Samsung, as I said, my Alcatel got screwed up. They even promised a 2.3upgrade, then poof, nothing. Luckily a devoted XDA dev made a 2.3 for it, but again, it's in the hands of Devs, not the company.
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The galaxy s line was one of the best selling android phones at the time. There were millions sold, enough the justify an update. This makes me want to stay away from Samsung, who's to say they won't give the same treatment to the galaxy s 3 or note 2 after a year?
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Who's to say LG or HTC or Motorola or Huawi or whatever phone you go to, won't do the same thing with the new phone you buy that's not a Samsung.
This is exactly why I'm just going with the next nexus. Either that or the iPhone. Say what you want to about the iPhone but it simply works. It doesn't need custom rooms, hacking, or anything for it to just work smooth, fast, and have amazing battery life. I don't care if it doesn't have the same customizations..I don't spend my entire day customizing my phone. The only time I ever bother doing that is right after I flash a rom and after that I just use it..
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This is exactly why I'm just going with the next nexus. Either that or the iPhone. Say what you want to about the iPhone but it simply works. It doesn't need custom rooms, hacking, or anything for it to just work smooth, fast, and have amazing battery life. I don't care if it doesn't have the same customizations..I don't spend my entire day customizing my phone. The only time I ever bother doing that is right after I flash a rom and after that I just use it..
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The problem is they get left out too. Siri comes out, won't run on older phones. Next year IOS 7 will be out and will have a bunch of new stuff that only works on the iPhone 5 and 6, and some things that will work on the 4G, and maybe a few things that work for the 4 and 3's. They leave people old in the cold with older phones just as much as Android does. Oh, let's make new phones "Retina" display, then make "retina" only new apps, anyone with a year old iphone 4gs, gets screwed because their phone isn't "retina".
Add that to having to jailbreak a phone just to install a 3rd party app, no thanks. Least we can check a box to install 3rd party apps, not jump through hoops. Despite the fact that jailbreaking is legal, Apple makes it harder and harder every time. Jailbreak your phone just to install an app that wasn't approved from the Apple store, then try and get service on the phone, even for a hardware problem and see the trouble you get.
You guys don't understand how these updates work.
Even if the specs are the same, sometimes is not possible to update. Why? Because the phone has to update from gingerbread to ICS WITHOUT a data wipe. Updates always keep your data intact. With only 512mb of RAM its not possible to patch on a brand new os on top of the old one and retain all of the users data.
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With only 512mb of RAM its not possible to patch on a brand new os on top of the old one and retain all of the users data.
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T-Mobile did supply FOTA updates. It was quite possible to do it as they "reserved" the space in the OEM ROMs using a couple files in, as I recall, /data/fota/ which were recreated on boot if they did not exist.
One of the early "discoveries" of the SGS4G was that a user could recover something like 150 MB of space by deleting them and making the directory read-only.
I'm not sure why, within reason, the amount of RAM has much to do with the amount of user data. Only the system and system-app data would need to be migrated. Am I missing something in my thinking?
Edit: Credit may be wrong, but that was one of the earliest threads I found referring to it.
Its all about the money
Just wait for the Aries kernel. Don't even bother waiting for Samsung. AOSP based is better and honestly TouchWiz is nasty, so who cares?
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Stephen Hall (from 9to5Google) tweeted that "Nexus isn't dead." https://twitter.com/hallstephenj/status/780211011823337472
Slash Gear had an article which mentions future Nexus phones, not just tablets. http://www.slashgear.com/google-pixel-vs-nexus-key-details-of-the-not-quite-dead-28457902/
Unfortunately, there isn't much information or proof mentioned, and I don't know the reliability of either one of them. Are there other Nexus rumors floating around out there, or is this just wishful thinking?
ive had the g1(dream), nexus one, nexus s, galaxy nexus, nexus 4, nexus 5, nexus 6, and the 2012 nexus 7. its 100% that the nexus isnt dead until google says its dead. BUT.. at this point, im believing that the nexus will be dead :crying:
Yeah. The guy from 9to5Google said later his opinion was there probably wouldn't be another *phone*. I'm guessing he was referring to the new Huawei tablet.
Too bad. I bought my wife the LG Nexus 5X last year and have been following the development of T50/Sailfish/Pixel since early this year. Unfortunately, it would almost take a miracle to get me to buy it now.
It's high time to replace my beloved Nexus 5. Was hoping this year's Nexus device would be the upgrade of my dreams, but I'm with you. If the $650 price point is true, I can't see anything to get me to buy Pixel. Uninspired design at a premium price.
I owned a couple of nexus phones before but they're not really relevant now these days.
In a year Google will realize their Pixel major mistake and revive the Nexus!
I don't know. The Nexus line wasn't exactly a super seller, and I think Big G is now interested in profits only--from phones and services, as well as whatever they can harvest for their focus on AI. If you look in almost any industry, there is a market for cheap garbage and uber-expensive stuff. There really isn't much for the best-bang-for-your-buck. I'd like to think there'd be another Nexus phone, but it'll be too late for me. Not just because I'm going to get an HTC 10, but I've been rather disappointed with most news I've heard about El Goog since they reorganized under Alphabet. However, admittedly, some of it relates to their ongoing anti-trust investigations over the last couple of years. If it lasts for a while, and if Sailfish OS gains traction, this HTC 10 will most likely be my last Android phone. I'm not happy with Big G's recent direction.
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I don't know. The Nexus line wasn't exactly a super seller, and I think Big G is now interested in profits only--from phones and services, as well as whatever they can harvest for their focus on AI. If you look in almost any industry, there is a market for cheap garbage and uber-expensive stuff. There really isn't much for the best-bang-for-your-buck. I'd like to think there'd be another Nexus phone, but it'll be too late for me. Not just because I'm going to get an HTC 10, but I've been rather disappointed with most news I've heard about El Goog since they reorganized under Alphabet. However, admittedly, some of it relates to their ongoing anti-trust investigations over the last couple of years. If it lasts for a while, and if Sailfish OS gains traction, this HTC 10 will most likely be my last Android phone. I'm not happy with Big G's recent direction.
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You made a point here. They started showing their hunger. For example "Youtube Red" [emoji28]
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What I read is that Google has "no plans" for future Nexus devices. Plans can change. The Nexus line is/was a platform for development. It's no accident that each new version of Android incorporates more and more features created by the independent, enthusiast development community (ie: CyanogenMod).
No new Nexus phones this year, now they're doing this Pixel thing. I think it's going to fail, and fail hard. There's no way it's going to be successful at those prices. It's not as naively ridiculous as the Amazon Fire phone, but it's still way too much money for a phone that doesn't have the features and functions of other flagship phones from Samsung, LG, Apple, etc. Most of us here enjoy a stock or near-stock Android, but we're an extremely small part of the smartphone market.