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Finally saying goodbye to Android.
Going back to iOS, iPhone 4s shipping status is shipped. Kapooow
Reasons for dumping android:
- fragmented apps, one works on a device never works on a new device, apps developers can't keep up on making their apps works on every single android device coming out to the point most of thrm don't even bother updating.
-few developer support, i mean when you are on the iOS, every single developer apps that is made, works on iPhone 4, 4s, 3gs, 3g, iPod touch, iPad and iPad2.
- tones of accessories.
- battery life,what i hate about my infuse 4g take 3-4 hrs to charge and 5-6hrs to discharge on maximum usage. When in my iPhone 4 tooks 1hr or less to charge.
- every single apps just works, no crash, no hang ups, and errors, my infuse is snappier than my iPhone 4 but the Adroid os itself really is not refined yet.
- almost all company out there want an app of their company and they do have on iOS, on android not that much and if they even have it does not work on my infuse 4g.
- flash in android id nice, but skyfire fix that on iOS, and you dont have those annoying ads that drains your battery.
- warranty, if you have an iPhone warranty is just a walk-in, no more argument and reasoning, just drop by any apple store and when you walk out, you are holding a brand new iPhone.
- love the experience on android in customization, but after a few weeks and months, the customization does not cover the hate you get of important apps that does not works, and no one even care about the customization around you.
- ice cream sandwich will solve the fragmented Adroid OS eco system, but it is not there yet. I don't want to be in that eco when they are fixing it yet and it has not been started to this date.
Yes I have the iPhone before i went to android, that is why I see all those thing how important the iOS, it just work for me.
May be in the near future I will be buying an Android device, but i am sure it is going to be a very long while.
I know android hardware is way better than iPhone 4s but even in my iPhone 4 it just works every single time.
I found out that bechmark does not mean anything, if it does not work correctly.
Come on, em i an apple fanboy, NO! Thats why i keep trying to buy and test on store if there is a new android coming out.
I wanted to tell my self Android can beat Apple, but I found it myself that as of this day, it is a long way.
And It is so hard to sell my Samsung Infuse 4g and any android device, because every month or two there is a new device,
I found out that it is like a car, if there is a new model that is been release, your car will look like an old model even though it is still shiny and a few months old. That is why BMW and MERCEDEZ and other luxury car don't usually introduce a neww model in a short period of time.
Anyway thanks guys and goodluck to all android samsung infuse 4g user, I reeally had fun rooting and custom firmware.
Thanks to GTG and the other guy.
Godspeed guys and Steve Job is dead, life is so short spend time with your family as much as you can. God Bless.
Some people just like simplicty......cant be mad bruh.
but i like being OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
See, I never understood what the point of threads like this is. If you want to go to an iPhone, go. You don't need to justify it to everyone here. 99% of the people here are happy with Android and don't really care about the reasons you prefer an iPhone. I don't mean that in a mean way, but everyone should pick a phone depending on what they like the most. You don't need to tell us, just move along. At best you'll get "Ok, bye", more than likely you'll get people arguing for something that was entirely unnecessary.
The iPhone is a great phone if it does what you want. Enjoy it.
That said... Ok, bye!
I will admit, I'm frustrated at the rate manufacturers are pumping out Android devices. By the time you make a decision and by one you have a month to enjoy it before something better is announced. Good luck with the 4s .
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Thanks for filling our general section with garbage.
Best regards,
Kevin Retherford
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why post that your leaving ? who cares
Yeah, my care meter did budge at all.
BUH-BYE
When you get it do me a favor and ask Siri if anyone here gives a [email protected]¢k. Sorry couldn't resist.
While I can agree on some of your points I think you stretched the truth on a few. For instance ios4 crippled a 3g. It was somewhat fixed in later versions but it hardly "just worked". I couldn't return it to at&t and they just gave me a working model. And as far as all apps working and no crashes is pure bs. You can go to many apps in the app store and see people complaining of crashes etc. in the reviews. Anyway it is your choice I'm not here to argue. The iphone was on my list of possible upgrades until it came out to just be a slightly upgraded model. I'm sure it will still sell like crazy and be all the rage.
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Don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya!
Another thread to fill empty space... lol. Good luck with iPhone, but hope they do not restrict you like your in prison lol.
rjan22 said:
Thanks to GTG and the other guy.
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lol
the other guy
Sorry to hear your going to a phone thats over rated...
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Proud to say I do not have iTunes installed on my computer.
Livin a Google Life, *****es...
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No one cares.
Leave, there's no need for closure. Smh.
Conform with the rest of the non-educated world. The iPhone suits you.
iTunes is like a virus. Updates and nagging about getting safari once a week. Bleck. Have fun being (Apple's) your phone's ***** OP. I wish my phone had it layed out as to strictly what i can and can not do.
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Cool story bro. Ask me if i care?
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In related news the sky is blue.... Lol
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rjan22 said:
Finally saying goodbye to Android.
Going back to iOS, iPhone 4s shipping status is shipped. Kapooow
Reasons for dumping android:
- fragmented apps, one works on a device never works on a new device, apps developers can't keep up on making their apps works on every single android device coming out to the point most of thrm don't even bother updating.
-few developer support, i mean when you are on the iOS, every single developer apps that is made, works on iPhone 4, 4s, 3gs, 3g, iPod touch, iPad and iPad2.
- tones of accessories.
- battery life,what i hate about my infuse 4g take 3-4 hrs to charge and 5-6hrs to discharge on maximum usage. When in my iPhone 4 tooks 1hr or less to charge.
- every single apps just works, no crash, no hang ups, and errors, my infuse is snappier than my iPhone 4 but the Adroid os itself really is not refined yet.
- almost all company out there want an app of their company and they do have on iOS, on android not that much and if they even have it does not work on my infuse 4g.
- flash in android id nice, but skyfire fix that on iOS, and you dont have those annoying ads that drains your battery.
- warranty, if you have an iPhone warranty is just a walk-in, no more argument and reasoning, just drop by any apple store and when you walk out, you are holding a brand new iPhone.
- love the experience on android in customization, but after a few weeks and months, the customization does not cover the hate you get of important apps that does not works, and no one even care about the customization around you.
- ice cream sandwich will solve the fragmented Adroid OS eco system, but it is not there yet. I don't want to be in that eco when they are fixing it yet and it has not been started to this date.
Yes I have the iPhone before i went to android, that is why I see all those thing how important the iOS, it just work for me.
May be in the near future I will be buying an Android device, but i am sure it is going to be a very long while.
I know android hardware is way better than iPhone 4s but even in my iPhone 4 it just works every single time.
I found out that bechmark does not mean anything, if it does not work correctly.
Come on, em i an apple fanboy, NO! Thats why i keep trying to buy and test on store if there is a new android coming out.
I wanted to tell my self Android can beat Apple, but I found it myself that as of this day, it is a long way.
And It is so hard to sell my Samsung Infuse 4g and any android device, because every month or two there is a new device,
I found out that it is like a car, if there is a new model that is been release, your car will look like an old model even though it is still shiny and a few months old. That is why BMW and MERCEDEZ and other luxury car don't usually introduce a neww model in a short period of time.
Anyway thanks guys and goodluck to all android samsung infuse 4g user, I reeally had fun rooting and custom firmware.
Thanks to GTG and the other guy.
Godspeed guys and Steve Job is dead, life is so short spend time with your family as much as you can. God Bless.
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Let me paraphrase that for you:
-I am too simple to use a device that requires me to think.
-I am willing to accept giving a corporation complete control over my device.
-I am unable to communicate a complete thought in this language.
-Steve Jobs is dead. I will now rock a black St. Croix mock turtleneck because he changed the world.
Consumer are on the loosing end ;(
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
Android users unite, demand upgrades
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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Yeah this is true, I'd definitely have to agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Android, but there are some things I wish they would fix. Like the caller waiting feature, it should be updated to be more user friendly. Why should you have to hang up and wait for the automatic call back? They need to rebuild that part of the ui where you can.
Very interesting article. Very true also. It is a sad and troubling issue unfortunately for us. Software support and updates seem to be getting worse and worse for us Android users.
Good thing i got my nexus handset...kind of helps as at least i know google will keep rolling out the updates for at least 18 to 24 months.
The problem is with the big phone manufactures...they skin android too deep and take too long to clear up their mess in order to update the builds. Also they just want us to buy new phones every few months it seems. I intend to see my nexus s contract through to the remaining 12 months for sure. Ice Cream Sandwich looks delicious by the way!
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All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
spirikitik said:
If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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Yeah well when we were going to get the phone it was a cheap slider dumb phone and we walked out with one of those and with froyo it brought speed increments which help on the phone and i mean my moms not the kind who even uses data just games and such
Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
z33dev33l said:
Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
ICS is too late for it, but I hope J(ellybean) functions more like a launcher and its theme. Just mass update the background OS for all phones (whether through OTA or through website), and let manufacturer/telcom update their skin independently, so that consumers don't have to wait for the (unreliable) promise from manufacturer/telcom.
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
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Are we guaranteed by policy that the phones need to be updated? If anyone can check the sales agreement, is it mentioned anything about the future software update?
I have not checked, but I think there is no such obligation from manufacturer. So, in essence they are not breaking the law. We buy a phone on what it has presently, not speculating about future enhancements.
It would be great to have manufacturers give more attention to this update issue. But I doubt anyone could hold them accountable.
It's also obvious that if any of these get updated, it would be only the premier ones, not the budget models.
zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt
spirikitik said:
You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
zeekiz said:
Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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You got me wrong, it is just this fact hurt your ego about the stat of updates and you see it and still don't believe it, you are the android fanboy and for that makes you blind, and your intelligence, stay stagnant like a swamp.
zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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this is the attitude of a fanboy. "Oh, you don't like my OS? You must be a wp7/iOS fanboy."
Gotta say, I'm a fanboy for no OS and have them all but as far as hardware goes, I'm slowly becoming a Nokia fanboy
Lol z33 you really are funny. And quite the fibber.
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spirikitik said:
All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
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So do you have iOS5 installed on your iphone, iphone 3G?
Which app is exclusive to gingerbread?
I think you should go back to iphone. It looks like you've made up your mind.
As for updates, US carrier versions tend to be slower and no surprises there with all the bloatware and restrictions they have to build into the firmware
Also there are ton of posts on xda where users with 2.3.3/2.3.4 devices complain about not receiving 2.3.5 updates and same goes for 3.0/3.1 users not receiving 3.2 update without knowing what that new revision brings to the table
As corps begin to adopt smartphones, the first thing a CIO will ask, "What's the Product Life Cycle?"
3GS gets iOS5 but the Nexus One won't get ICS!? Lowe's just ordered 42,000 iPhones, I would have too. Pull your head out Google!!! It's not just the kids who want updates but the grown ups too!
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This is what i think the real and biggest problem with android is, the battle is not with apple, their os or their phone. The actual problem is this-
"Google has done an extremely awesome job with jelly bean, the 'project butter' has really changed the Android experience, experience is fast and ultra responsive, devices dont lag when u turn them on or when u wake them from sleep. Google Now is pretty instant and gives some delightfully satisfying answers which the software is all about, offline voice typing is also pretty accurate, fast and an actual step forward with voice typing, the animations are wonderful, the lockscreen is simple and easy to use and its pretty fast, and what to say about notifications they are just a treat to use.
But all of what google has done is waste, total waste.
Cause OEMs wont be able give JB to their devices. Why? Because they will be busy to make stock JB look ugly, they will be busy to just change the way the UI looks so that their device can look be different no matter if its uglier than stock, they will be busy to add stupid features like 'direct call' when the call button is just their above the messages(I MEAN ITS JUST ONE FREAKING TAP ON THE CALL BUTTON AS ITS JUST RIGHT THEIR, U R LOOKING AT THE SCREEN ANYWAY SO U CAN JUST PRESS THAT FREAKING BUTTON TO CALL THAT PERSON), features like 'Tap to Top' (CAN'T U JUST FLICK UR FINGER ON THE SCREEN TO SCROLL BACK TO TOP, IT TURNS OUT THAT U CAN BUT OEMs HAVE TO ADD THESE FANCY FEATURES TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN DO FANCY 'CODING'), they have to add fancy and weird lockscreen. I know some features are important to add for ur company like various camera settings that google don't add cause they simply dont feel the need of those settings, BUT WHY THE HELL OEMs HAVE TO ADD THEIR FREAKING CUSTOM UGLY SKINS AND USELESS FEATURES.
I think google should do something to stop this madness, i see tons of bulls*** on internet just to compare the iphone and android. Most of the comments is people saying that they have older version of android on their device and 'not the one shown in the video' but on iphone they have latest software that is even in 'iphone4s' so they still think iphones are better. It ALL ABOUT UPDATES, GOOGLE WORK REALLY HARD ON ANDROID AND THE RESULT IS THAT MAJORITY OF ANDROID DEVICES ARE STILL ON '2.3.3.
Its pretty dissapointing to see how idiotic OEMs behave about updates, skins and fancy features. I hope the google PDK help OEMs to give faster update.
Some comapnies are still struggling to push ICS to their old devices and JB is out, they are busy in working on their new devices and some few people from their team work on OS updates to old devices, and the process is so slow because they are busy in adding ****ty skins and features.
P.S. Other OEMs should learn from HUAWEI, they also wanted to add some features that they feel are useful to their ICS phones, but they didnt ****ed the UI, they have their file manager, their cloud services, some additional camera app features in their ICS phones but they dont **** the UI."
This is what i think, i was pretty angry about OEMs and updates so i shared all my thoughts on a g+ post and this quote is the same g+ post.
Here is my g+ profile- https://plus.google.com/117638526643371847672/posts
I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
You are absolutely right. Maybe not every OEM's ROM is bad, but they shouldn't try to make things better because it takes a lot of time and usually makes the system look ugly. That makes Android different on almost every manufacturer's device...
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One thing that I have decided that I am just going to buy devices that come under Google's NEXUS program. That way even if I may get not the latest and greatest hardware, I am still assured that I will get updates for at least 2-3 years and instant updates is what we are talking about.
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Hahahahahha
Anger is good
you were right about every single word
OEMs ruin the Android
trying to make it better
while the only thing happening is Android getting S*** taste instead of vanilla taste
well
on my side
i would prefer if the Stock android was available to all phones beside the OEMs one
in that way we have a choice
also
the Android pure Rom is much better than any other
i came to that after a lot of flashing
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yogi2010 said:
I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
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Slider +1:victory:
Haha, I also was getting myself worked up the other day thinking about carriers: I'm sure they also have a lot to do with how long updates take to come out. And, they get you on a 2-year contract, and then you're lucky if they support the device with updates for even 1 year!
I'm hoping PDK begins to lock down a bit of what they can do. Also, Carriers are a huge problem too. They don't want you to get updates.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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I understand what u mean, i have also mentioned in op that many OEMs feel the need of some features that stock android doesnt have and they can add and they should obviously add them but amount of these features are really low, most of the features we see are just fancy features that show that they can also 'code'.
I know a bit about android ICS (stock) as i make themes for theme engine and i made roms earlier. Its divided into two parts or two UIs, one is the dark part or the dominating part that we see across ICS, the grey backgrounds with blue text, other is the light UI, that is the white backgrounds with blue and black text. I am also not a big fan of they grey part of the UI but the white part is just wonderful. Also no OEMs' ui i have seen is better than stock ICS UI so they are clearly making it worse.
I hope google go full on with their white/light UI in next version of android.
Also i agree to the fact that many required features that a consumer wants these days with software these days are lacking in stock android like some settings, options and features in camera app, that actually all consumers these day want. I have seen many nokia users who still buy nokia phones cause they have these small features to mess with in camera app. There are many things that android team have not thought of added in stock android, and i think the main reason for that is the fear of people declaring their OS as 'complicated' and non-user friendly.
What worse it can get. Now Gnexus may get banned.
From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
Good point.
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From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
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But still, Google is doing so that OEMs are ready to push updates along with Google. If Google is gonna give them new versions earlier we can assume they will give 1-2 months earlier and they will still be working on it so they will also give new source code later maybe 10-20 days earlier. So OEMs like Samsung or HTC who take 5-7 months for an update will still not be able to catch up with Google's announcements and updates.
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I agree and disagree.. I never used stock roms until i purchased the droid razr. I know blur makes it look better and also realize that motorola has a **** ton of bloatware that i have to freeze but i've been happy with gingerbread and now the ics stock roms. I do however think that needs to include an option to root the device on the configuration when you first setup the device. I think it shouldn't have locked bootloaders or things like that because it is linux underneath the nice ui and you should be able to mod it the way you like without having to hack everything. Long story short, most stock roms do look like crap and are bloated but some do a good job.
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Another thing I forgot about is carriers, they need to get their hands out of the software. My broadband ISP doesn't care what updates or OS I am running, they just provide me internet.
Ideally we would get all software upgrades from Google sort of like Windows, but I'm not sure if this is possible with Android. At least just let us update direct from the OEM, carriers shouldn't have to approve updates.
Guys support me and others who are with me and retweet #OmlyNexus and #****AndroidOEMs .
The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I don't think a die hard fan of a flagship phone from Samsung or HTC is gonna buy the new flagship phone if the company changes the OS. I know people care about hardware but that doesn't mean they go totally mad about it, not looking the software at all. Btw, play store access is only for Google/android phones.
Also, nobody bought Gs3 cause it just had a quad core or it had a 8mp camera. If Samsung had bada or maybe android 2.1 on it then believe me it would have been samsung's worst selling phone.
Edit: Will u buy a new i7 3rd Gen laptop if it had windows 2000 and a restriction that u can't change it??? For same price that u buy a normal i7 laptop or even higher.
It seems that ever since January of 2007, when Apple revealed the rumored iPhone that they have been on top of the mobile game. Even before the phone was even for sale, it literally became the most hyped device in the world. Well its been over 5 years and Apple continues to control the mobile tech game.
But this can't last forever can it? Let's think about the mass popularity of Blackberrys and Sidekicks. Blackberry is a dying brand and sidekick's aren't even relavent in 2012.
Check out this article that explains a few new technologies in development as well as some proposed concepts that can make Apple the old thing.
"The iPhone was a life-changing device for many. Nobody can deny Apple’s ingenuity. But just like Apple wiped out the competition in 2007, any manufacturer could harness an advanced technology that could make the iPhone a thing of the past."
[Article] : http://brobuffet.com/2012/07/13/the-next-tech-takeover/
Tell me your opinion
Do you believe the Apple iPhone will continue to be the most popular device? Or will something eventually come along in 5-10 years and just take over the market?
I think this is a big question because many of us speak of how Apple will eventually have the iPhone 10 but we never consider the competition.
I personally feel that apple has its days numbered with the following that certain android based phones are gathering. HTC and Samsung alike are well on their ways to EVENTUALLY topple apple.
I give it three years, apple wont be on top, but will still be relevant. Unless apple changes the game a bit, 10 years and we may be saying "apple who?" There's only so many times you can sell a different variation of a general idea.
Just my opinion
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People choose iPhone due to awesome user experience having no performance glitch. Project Butter brings that to Jelly Bean. So, I think.. Android is going to take crown this time.
What I like most: Android users have big choice of hardware specs. If you purchase any digital content from Play Store (or, Amazon App Store), you can use them on large no. of devices which is not true with iTunes case!
SachinShekhar said:
People choose iPhone due to awesome user experience having no performance glitch. Project Butter brings that to Jelly Bean. So, I think.. Android is going to take crown this time.
What I like most: Android users have big choice of hardware specs. If you purchase any digital content from Play Store (or, Amazon App Store), you can use them on large no. of devices which is not true with iTunes case!
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Not to mention the amount of customization you have with an android device. If you're rooted, customization is endless.
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I have but one statement to add to this:
If HTC and Samsung wasn't doing so well in the smartphone market, why does Apple keep trying to sue them for anything they can?
Hell, even the Gooapple v5, although a Chinese knockoff, is still a better phone to me just because it runs Android and not iOS.
Say or think what you may, but android should be able to corner the market inside of 12-18 months based on the amount of users alone. No more desktops, no more laptops, and net books with touchscreens that run Android 3.2 for those that want a keyboard...
The future is in your hands, brandish it like a weapon and show it off to every iPhone user you know.
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fyi , Android owns over 50% of the world market for the last 2 years at least. Its now around 61% and only 29% for Apple.
I just came from an iPhone 4 to an HTC one x as my first Android device. Just about everyone I actually know that's closely related to me has an iPhone as well.
One thing I've noticed about them is that they don't really seem to care what the latest features of Android are compared to the iPhone. Even when I gloat about what my phone can do compared to their's they just don't seem quite as convinced or impressed by it.
Their only argument for staying with the iPhone is the app store, which I must agree is quite impressive. The also seem to have a misconception that Android is hard to navigate or use compared to iPhone. to some degree it is true, but I wouldn't say it's hard, its just not as user friendly as ios.
Apple will probably retain a lead until they mess up big time with their phone. I feel that moment is coming soon. The os look and feel is extremely outdated in my opinion. They need a new layout for their home screen and something different to keep it fresh.
Also I would like to mention from a personal experience that iPhone is great out the box whereas Android isn't good until you root and throw some great roms on it.
I'm tired of typing on my phone now.
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No, they won't. Samsung outsold Apple in Q1 this year. It will happen again. Instead of innovating Apple seems content to litigate and steal, meaning that they aren't bringing anything fresh to the table. People will eventually get tired of shelling out money for new iPhones with almost no appreciable differences. What will the next iPhone offer? A slightly larger screen, UI upgrades stolen wholesale from Android, maps purchased from elsewhere, and most likely 4G. Nothing cutting edge and nothing that isn't already offered in a plethora of forms in other devices.
Granted, it will take some people time to break away, especially those heavily invested in iOS apps, but it will happen. If all Google offered from its Nexus line were the same phone year after year with only minor changes how many Android users would see any need to continually upgrade? If Android users had no choice but to buy a new device every two years so that it could actually function on the newest OS how many of us would continue to support them? Androids weak point has been manufacturers and carriers not getting the new Android versions out to devices, but as devs have made clear the hardware itself is plenty capable of utilizing whatever Google brings us. That's something that iOS can't claim. Heck, even a number of newer iDevices had major issues with iOS 5. Dinosaurs will die and Apple is sounding its own dirge by refusing to stay competitive and treating its customers like idiots.
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Also I would like to mention from a personal experience that iPhone is great out the box whereas Android isn't good until you root and throw some great roms on it.
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I wouldn't quite say so.
Android can run widgets, live wallpaper, custom lockscreens, different launchers, change default apps like MMS/SMS, browser, dialer, camera, etc., out of the box no rooting required.
iOS needs to be jailbroken for those features. And they still don't have widgets, except for those "widgets" in the notification pulldown (which was a complete copy of Android 1.5).
The iPhone 5 will supposedly have a 4 inch screen. The original galaxy S phones from 2010 had 4 inch screens, and the OG Droid from 2009 had a 3.7 inch screen which is bigger than the current iPhone (4S).
Apple will fall soon. A couple of years give or take
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No, they won't. Samsung outsold Apple in Q1 this year. It will happen again. Instead of innovating Apple seems content to litigate and steal, meaning that they aren't bringing anything fresh to the table. People will eventually get tired of shelling out money for new iPhones with almost no appreciable differences. What will the next iPhone offer? A slightly larger screen, UI upgrades stolen wholesale from Android, maps purchased from elsewhere, and most likely 4G. Nothing cutting edge and nothing that isn't already offered in a plethora of forms in other devices.
Granted, it will take some people time to break away, especially those heavily invested in iOS apps, but it will happen. If all Google offered from its Nexus line were the same phone year after year with only minor changes how many Android users would see any need to continually upgrade? If Android users had no choice but to buy a new device every two years so that it could actually function on the newest OS how many of us would continue to support them? Androids weak point has been manufacturers and carriers not getting the new Android versions out to devices, but as devs have made clear the hardware itself is plenty capable of utilizing whatever Google brings us. That's something that iOS can't claim. Heck, even a number of newer iDevices had major issues with iOS 5. Dinosaurs will die and Apple is sounding its own dirge by refusing to stay competitive and treating its customers like idiots.
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Exactly. Androids strength is also a weakness. Variety and choice comes with a price. Apple's sole control over their device and OS allows them to easily roll out updates, whereas with Android, Google, in a way, is at the mercy of manufacturers and carries. Or perhaps it's the other way around?
So what if ICS and JB take while to get official support. Open source development takes care of that problem. In fact, I think it's safe to say that user/ community made ROMs are probably better than official releases.
my girlfriends sister's boyfriend has an Iphone, and he said he wants to get the new one. Now my girlfriends sister wants to get an Iphone also. Listen to the reasons behind their wants.
boyfriend - I want the new Iphone because I can easily sync my music from itunes
girlfriends sister - I want the new Iphone just because (we all know its because her boyfriend has one LOL)
is this really what apple has going for them? easy sync of music, same OS on every device, little bit bigger screen and a new maps app because they're mad at google for "stealing" from them? apple is a garbage company that over-prices everything and gives their customers a piece of **** in a box.
oh get this LOL also my girlfriends sister has had an IMac laptop or whatever you call it for a couple of years now, 2 times she had to change the hard drive. that is hella sad considering the hard drive is one and only piece of permanent storage pieces in a computer.
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Their only argument for staying with the iPhone is the app store, which I must agree is quite impressive. The also seem to have a misconception that Android is hard to navigate or use compared to iPhone. to some degree it is true, but I wouldn't say it's hard, its just not as user friendly as ios.
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I totally agree. If someone can't figure out how to connect to wifi with an android phone, they're not going to magically figure it out if you hand them an iPhone. The process is the exact same no matter which platform you are on. I guess most people haven't tried ICS, because it is just as easy to use as any other OS.
In fact, in a few ways, Android is more user friendly. For example, making a ringtone from an mp3 is fairly easy on Android. Doing the same in iOS or WP7 is a nightmare. Managing music is easier if you know how to drag and drop into folders. Once they start putting NFC chips in bluetooth devices, pairing will be super easy for Android too.
iPhone screen size = 3.5" = $600
Android equivalents in terms of screen size:
Galaxy Y = 3.0" = <$30
LG Optimus Me = 2.8" = <$10
Lenovo A60 = 3.5" = <$30
See. ALL of the iPhones android equivalents are LOW END phones! They are all GB/FroYo! In terms of screen size, Apple needs to step up and release a 4.3" iPhone ASAP.
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iPhone screen size = 3.5" = $600
Android equivalents in terms of screen size:
Galaxy Y = 3.0" = <$30
LG Optimus Me = 2.8" = <$10
Lenovo A60 = 3.5" = <$30
See. ALL of the iPhones android equivalents are LOW END phones! They are all GB/FroYo! In terms of screen size, Apple needs to step up and release a 4.3" iPhone ASAP.
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Samsung makes the panels for the iPhone... I would love to see apple go to another vendor, increase screen size and start selling those phones, just so Samsung can sue them for patent infringement due to screen size and technology... that would be the lol of the year!
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what if iPhone gets Android, can someone port it.....lolz..
People already have booted Android on iPhones. Android is open for anyone who wishes to develop and use it.
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People already have booted Android on iPhones. Android is open for anyone who wishes to develop and use it.
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This is true, and proof can be found in the case of all the Gooapple units sold. Its essentially the same as an iPhone with the exception of the processor AFAIK...
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I also see the iPhone lagging behind its competition in the future. What game changers did Apple introduce to the iPhone
in the last years? FaceTime? lol
They can't come up with something special every time they release a new one. They are also very limited with the way they can
change the whole thing. It's no coincidence that they stuck with the same screen size for so long. If you make it bigger it's not
really "the iPhone" anymore. I think they are very careful with making such drastic changes which, as I said, limits their innovation.
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People already have booted Android on iPhones. Android is open for anyone who wishes to develop and use it.
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Yeah Android is open for anyone, but this doesn't grants officially update's for all smartphone!
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what if iPhone gets Android, can someone port it.....lolz..
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Hahah no..
Do you really think a petition will make any difference? If google decides to not give just one more Android update for the Nexus 5, than it will be over.
A petition will not prevent or do anything about that.
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Hahah no..
Do you really think a petition will make any difference? If google decides to not give just one more Android update for the Nexus 5, than it will be over.
A petition will not prevent or do anything about that.
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No srry man, some years back I've done the same thing for the Nexus 3 (Samsung Galaxy Nexus) because it wasn't getting a official Android KitKat update.
Google is such a big company... they don't care about just a petition. They have given us the promised support time, they owe us nothing.
The only thing we can do is keeping our fingers crossed and keep hoping this awesome phone will get just one more Android update.
BTW, with the ''same thing" I mean signing a petition, not creating one.
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Everything has a limit. The petition will not help. If you want Android N, then install custom ROMs. Nexus 5 was released 3 years ago and it's old enough when it comes to technology. Just buy a new Nexus if you want an official Android update, or custom ROMs like I've said.
This is what irks me about the mindset of people and manufacturers these days..
Just because a device was released a little less than 3 years ago, doesn't mean it's ready for the scrapyard yet.
I haven't played with any of the current flagships but I don't feel the need because my Nexus 5 still runs just great for me. I don't notice any real slowdowns and to me it's just as good as the day I bought it so would should I have to upgrade ???
Case in point, take a look at Apple.. I have an ipad 2 that was released in early 2011. It's on iOS V9 and just reached it's end of life for support this month with the release or iOS 10... And I FULLY UNDERSTAND because it is truly starting to show it's age and run like molasses.
Additionally the Nexus 5 still outperforms most if not all of the newly released "mid range" phones and will probably continue to outperform most of them into next year.
Because carriers subsidize phones over 2 year contracts, a lot of people prefer to go that route and get new subsidized devices. That doesn't mean that people who spend their hard earned money on a device should be obligated to buy a new one to remain current. Outside of the Nexus world I realize this gets incrementally complex with the introduction of the Manufacturers and then the carriers but that's the whole point and allure of buying a Nexus to begin with.
As noted you will see updates continue with this phone for a long time to come via custom roms which will be proof enough to show this phone is more than capable of running the latest and greatest.
I'm disappointed that Google has decided to follow what appears to be a carrier life cycle for supporting their devices.
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Everything has a limit. The petition will not help. If you want Android N, then install custom ROMs. Nexus 5 was released 3 years ago and it's old enough when it comes to technology. Just buy a new Nexus if you want an official Android update, or custom ROMs like I've said.
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Done
thogz11 said:
Everything has a limit. The petition will not help. If you want Android N, then install custom ROMs. Nexus 5 was released 3 years ago and it's old enough when it comes to technology. Just buy a new Nexus if you want an official Android update, or custom ROMs like I've said.
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You have been lobotomized jk
N5 will work flawlessly under Android N. I have no doubt about that.
Luckily, we have custom ROMs but Google should support the Nexus devices for 5 years. Google complains about Android's fragmentation but they do participate by limiting their support. There's no (real) need to buy a new Nexus every 2/3 years.
"Just because a device was released a little less than 3 years ago, doesn't mean it's ready for the scrapyard yet."
This is not a mindset, it's reality and people has nothing to do but to accept it. Manufacturers keep on releasing new phones annually, even 2 phones every year.
If they don't scrap old devices, they can't sell and people won't buy the new devices. It's part of marketing. Of course Nexus 5 still performs great and I'm still using it right now running Marshmallow.
Android is different from iOS. Apple devices has longer support and there are only few iOS devices compare to Android devices. There are too many Android Manufacturers and it is still growing, even Google can't stop it. That's one of the reasons why Google limit and had to shorten its support to old devices.
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This is what irks me about the mindset of people and manufacturers these days..
Just because a device was released a little less than 3 years ago, doesn't mean it's ready for the scrapyard yet.
I haven't played with any of the current flagships but I don't feel the need because my Nexus 5 still runs just great for me. I don't notice any real slowdowns and to me it's just as good as the day I bought it so would should I have to upgrade ???
Case in point, take a look at Apple.. I have an ipad 2 that was released in early 2011. It's on iOS V9 and just reached it's end of life for support this month with the release or iOS 10... And I FULLY UNDERSTAND because it is truly starting to show it's age and run like molasses.
Additionally the Nexus 5 still outperforms most if not all of the newly released "mid range" phones and will probably continue to outperform most of them into next year.
Because carriers subsidize phones over 2 year contracts, a lot of people prefer to go that route and get new subsidized devices. That doesn't mean that people who spend their hard earned money on a device should be obligated to buy a new one to remain current. Outside of the Nexus world I realize this gets incrementally complex with the introduction of the Manufacturers and then the carriers but that's the whole point and allure of buying a Nexus to begin with.
As noted you will see updates continue with this phone for a long time to come via custom roms which will be proof enough to show this phone is more than capable of running the latest and greatest.
I'm disappointed that Google has decided to follow what appears to be a carrier life cycle for supporting their devices.
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I am not worried for the sole fact that the Nexus 5 community has done amazing things, this may become a good thing to entice further development knowing that there would be no more reasons to stay with the stock ROM. Knowing the Nexus 5 sales, it would be dumb for Google to not provide Android N for one of the most future proof devices I know of.
Don't care. Custom roms will do me just fine.
I thought Google were really supporting the Nexus line for 5 years, with 2 additional years for just security updates. I think they didn't care about users complaining for new versions.
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I thought Google were really supporting the Nexus line for 5 years, with 2 additional years for just security updates. I think they didn't care about users complaining for new versions.
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5 years? IT would be awesome, if it would be 2 years would be awesome too. With custom roms i dont care about official updates. Nexus 5 is almost 3 years.