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So being somewhat new to android.... the one thing I always wondered is, what is the BEST way to deal with certain programs? I am using advanced task killer... and if I bring it up right now, there might be 20 programs runnings... so I "kill" them all.....
open it up again right away, 6 of them restarting already.... and I am talking about apps I rarely use and do not need in the background at all.... I can only assume this adds to battery drain and slow down.
So my question is, is there a better app I should be using... or is there a way to tell an app to only launch/work on demand etc?
any input appreciated
thx
Mr.Kakarot said:
So being somewhat new to android.... the one thing I always wondered is, what is the BEST way to deal with certain programs? I am using advanced task killer... and if I bring it up right now, there might be 20 programs runnings... so I "kill" them all.....
open it up again right away, 6 of them restarting already.... and I am talking about apps I rarely use and do not need in the background at all.... I can only assume this adds to battery drain and slow down.
So my question is, is there a better app I should be using... or is there a way to tell an app to only launch/work on demand etc?
any input appreciated
thx
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6426198#post6426198
i just switched over from LauncherPRO to GO Launcher and it's fantastic !!!!!!!
with build in Tasks Manager (with option to kill each app or kill all running apps)
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
Mr.Kakarot said:
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
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Free memory is wasted memory in the Linux environment that Android runs, so Android's memory manager will always try to load up stuff that it thinks you'll be using to have it ready and waiting to go when you want it.
That's the irony of people trying to use task killers on Android; most of the time it's pointless, since Android will just re-load the apps anyways. Sometimes a rogue app that just won't close and is sucking up juice unreasonably should be killed, but generally, it's best to avoid using any kind of task killer. The links provided by someone earlier should give you a good understanding of this.
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That's the irony of people trying to use task killers on Android; most of the time it's pointless, since Android will just re-load the apps anyways. Sometimes a rogue app that just won't close and is sucking up juice unreasonably should be killed, but generally, it's best to avoid using any kind of task killer. The links provided by someone earlier should give you a good understanding of this.
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i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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That's why I said "mostly", not "always".
Apps like that would be removed from my system until the developer fixed them.
Never underestimate the power of a poorly written app to bring any system to its knees, desktop or phone.
Mr.Kakarot said:
thanks to you both, I will give it a try/read
one question though... once you kill them, do they stay killed... or fire back up pretty quick? Battery life is really a non issue, I just wanted to know if I should be doing more!
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I remember this post from a long time ago, it's a great read. I've used watchdog ever since
AllGamer said:
i would normally agree with you on this
but i've come across a dozen apps that gets HUNG in memory, and partially locks up the phone
and the only thing that can fix it, is by Killing the app or apps that hung
without a task killer, the only thing to do is to take out the battery
yes, some times it gets so bad that it wont even launch the shut down menu
and the weirdest thing is that usually those apps that hung, they work normally, except for some conflicts with other apps, every now and then
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Settings>Applications>Running Services?
when it's hung you have no access to anything but holding HOME until the Task Manager pops up
Hey fellas, recently I downloaded the 8.1 RT preview. Now I've come across a few problems but the main one is with IE 11.
Why does IE display mobile websites?
Because your on a mobile device perhaps. There is actually a setting for whether to load mobile or desktop sites in both IE10 and 11 I think.
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Because your on a mobile device perhaps. There is actually a setting for whether to load mobile or desktop sites in both IE10 and 11 I think.
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The thing is it never used to go directly to the mobile site, So it's something that they've added into 8.1, The question was, is there a way of disabling this 'awful' feature.
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The thing is it never used to go directly to the mobile site, So it's something that they've added into 8.1, The question was, is there a way of disabling this 'awful' feature.
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I answered the question. There is a setting. I am not sure where as I am on an x86_64 desktop not an ARM tablet. I've also gone into control panel and totally disabled internet explorer.
It might only be accessible in desktop IE which has a more substantial options menu that ModernUI IE (however the settings still apply to both modes)
RT here. What website are you having problems with? All mine work perfectly. I do have another problem though. I get less battery with this than any tablet I've ever used. I get around 2 hours of use, and around 6 to 7 hours of standby. Suggestions?
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RT here. What website are you having problems with? All mine work perfectly. I do have another problem though. I get less battery with this than any tablet I've ever used. I get around 2 hours of use, and around 6 to 7 hours of standby. Suggestions?
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I've noticed that since I've installed 8.1 I get about half of my previous battery life.
One of the reasons is that when you close apps like mail and ie11, they don't actually close anymore (they are still open as full programs in task manager unless you kill them).
This is obviously a bug as there is no foreseeable advantage to this, I did notice that even after closing IE remembers sites I was on. Personally I hate it.
aooga said:
RT here. What website are you having problems with? All mine work perfectly. I do have another problem though. I get less battery with this than any tablet I've ever used. I get around 2 hours of use, and around 6 to 7 hours of standby. Suggestions?
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Wow, haha, does that tablet use AA batteries?
But seriously that is a little odd, my battery seems okay, and I'm on a Surface RT machine. Well 8.1 uses more battery life because it needs it. If you've not already noticed apps don't close. (You can test this using IE, open it go on a site, then close. If you reopen the app you'll jump right back into your old session)
To improve your battery life, you can try a few things,
1. Check if Bluetooth is on.
2.brightness
3.USB peripherals.
4. You could also try a healthy charge, all you have to do is drain the battery completely, then charge it without use.
After it has completely charged drain again then charge. Do this once a month and it 'should' slightly improve battery performance.
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I've noticed that since I've installed 8.1 I get about half of my previous battery life.
One of the reasons is that when you close apps like mail and ie11, they don't actually close anymore (they are still open as full programs in task manager unless you kill them).
This is obviously a bug as there is no foreseeable advantage to this, I did notice that even after closing IE remembers sites I was on. Personally I hate it.
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Hvae you reported this to microsoft? its beta grade software, the whole purpose is for you guys to be finding these bugs and tell them so they can fix it before full release.
Does anyone know if the upcoming halo game will work on 8.1?
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Hvae you reported this to microsoft? its beta grade software, the whole purpose is for you guys to be finding these bugs and tell them so they can fix it before full release.
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I did. I doubt they're going to do anything though.
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feygor said:
I've noticed that since I've installed 8.1 I get about half of my previous battery life.
One of the reasons is that when you close apps like mail and ie11, they don't actually close anymore (they are still open as full programs in task manager unless you kill them).
This is obviously a bug as there is no foreseeable advantage to this, I did notice that even after closing IE remembers sites I was on. Personally I hate it.
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Changed the form to close. See the video!
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They've taken a very simple action and made it very awkward to close an app. Hopefully someone somewhere will read the forum posts and complaints that it destroys battery life and will remove this problem. If I wanted apps to stay open, I'd leave them open!
The other problem is when you want to close an app it takes too long to close, I think it's about 3 seconds
I have the stupid lock screen bug from here http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...g/fa2cc68f-6b80-4625-8232-bf5a03f6620b?page=1. I've tried everything but reinstalling 8.1 and that's only because i can't get it to reinstall Package update to place 8.1 in the sore for download recognizes its already installed ad there's no way to remove it that i can find.
@feygor: WinRT ("Metro") apps, like Windows Phone apps, suspend automatically when going into the background unless explicitly coded to do otherwise. The use no battery power while suspended. I imagine Microsoft made that change to make it easier to "minimize" an app, since closing one is almost never needed.
You can also still close the apps by pressing Alt+F4 (admittedly this is annoying on the Touch or Type cover keyboards, where you must also press Fn in order to enable F4) or by right-clicking the app in the left-side task switcher and choosing Close.
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@feygor: WinRT ("Metro") apps, like Windows Phone apps, suspend automatically when going into the background unless explicitly coded to do otherwise. The use no battery power while suspended. I imagine Microsoft made that change to make it easier to "minimize" an app, since closing one is almost never needed.
You can also still close the apps by pressing Alt+F4 (admittedly this is annoying on the Touch or Type cover keyboards, where you must also press Fn in order to enable F4) or by right-clicking the app in the left-side task switcher and choosing Close.
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You can also drag it from the task switcher to the bottom and have it close, I dont know if that still works on 8.1.
I am actually in agreement with everyone else though, why change that? If you want to minimise an app swipe into another or just hit the bloody start button.
I've had my first blue screen on 8.1 today, not sure what caused it.
It did over heat 3 times so maybe that had something to do with it.
Mines gotted a bit warm a few times but never actually overheated, what were you doing to it at the time?
Oh, sorry when I say it got hot, I mean I was sat out side in the scorching heat. (It was so warm it literally burnt my hands)
It now shows a temperature icon when it's getting warm,
There is also a new issue I've found in IE 11, but I can't tell them about it.
I've only experienced this on youtube, it seems t play the audio even when on other pages.
For example, I have a video playing right now, if I was to swipe from left to the right, it would go back a page. But the audio from that video would still be playing on the new page.
Google search seems to be keeping my phone awake and destroying my battery.
Using the GEL, my phone was awake any time my launcher was active. Switching to Nova, it seems this issue is mitigated, however if I ever go to use the search app (or Now), it initiates the battery rape-fest.
Just wondering if anyone else has had this issue. I know lots of people here have their data and/or wifi enabled/connected 24/7, so it may not effect them.
I'm linking photos stored in my DB account showing some of these battery drains.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jhw1f4prbneyg45/2013-12-26 06.19.30.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gfhr2vf1z5kf4tw/2013-12-26 06.19.24.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0f506skwf26q3se/2013-11-27 01.43.17.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ky7yjo2628p1ngl/2013-11-27 01.43.22.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dr0e2jjswt52mce/2013-11-27 01.43.26.png
The periods of no signal is when I'm at work - there's no service out here so I might as well have it on airplane mode.
Unfortunately, I really like the GEL, and was hoping that there'd be an easy fix to this. Switching run times doesn't help. I'm currently on ART.
Any advice is helpful.
Do you have hot word detection on? If so then it off that could be triggering it it solved the issue I had with it
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Once or twice Search would keep my phone awake and drain the battery. Something to do with toggling some Location settings on or off.
Force stopping the application fixed the issue for me each time once I noticed it on my battery list.
bblzd said:
Once or twice Search would keep my phone awake and drain the battery. Something to do with toggling some Location settings on or off.
Force stopping the application fixed the issue for me each time once I noticed it on my battery list.
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Hmm I also had this problem and also was tinkering with location settings the other night... interesting. If it starts acting up I'll force stop it.
I wanted to disable or uninstall Google Now and Google search and it wiped my homescreen
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Do you have hot word detection on? If so then it off that could be triggering it it solved the issue I had with it
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This was the first thing i thought of. I turned it off, no change.
bblzd said:
Once or twice Search would keep my phone awake and drain the battery. Something to do with toggling some Location settings on or off.
Force stopping the application fixed the issue for me each time once I noticed it on my battery list.
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My issue is that I shouldn't have to force stop it. Why is it running wild? This is a Google application, shouldn't this be near flawless?
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new ion? said:
This was the first thing i thought of. I turned it off, no change.
My issue is that I shouldn't have to force stop it. Why is it running wild? This is a Google application, shouldn't this be near flawless?
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I just know it's a pretty easy fix (force stop or reboot) so not a huge deal IMO.
If I had to guess Search is trying to look up some location information which it can't currently access. Instead of stopping it just keeps trying forever. I've yet to see the issue since disabling Locations completely and experienced the issue only with partial location services enabled.
My advice would be to leave Location services completely on or completely off. It may effect those with locations on, but either reporting or history (or both) off.
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Oooo, apparently I had history on and reporting off. I'll try turning both off and letting search run for a bit tomorrow, I'll see what happens. If it comes down to it, I'll submit a bug report.
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shouldn't be an issue
I have been having the same identical issue as you guys. I have found shockingly little in my searches, which I've been doing periodically for the last few months, really, since I've had the phone(12/5/13).
Now for the particulars :
I have a nexus 5. I'm running the stock ROM and kernel via OTA (4.4.2).
I am rooted (via wugfresh's toolkit) and I have the xposed framework installed along with only a couple of modules, (gravitybox, bootmanager).
Now all this means I am essentially bone stock which means since its a nexus 5 I have the GEL launcher by default and I love it and the setup in general, (my favorite setup so far of all my phones, nexi and other).
Now I've been fortunate and have never really needed to track down and eliminate software causing battery decimating "wakelocks" on any of my devices. And apparently the newer versions of KitKat make finding and solving wake lock issues difficult using apps developed for the purpose.
If I were to upload screenshots of my battery screen when the issue is presenting itself, Google search is up in the top five at least. And when I click it for details it shows similar readouts to what's been posted by OP in his screenshots.
I can't be the only one having serious issues with wakelocks cause by Google search on their nexus 5 and I'm baffled by the lack of discussion I've been able to find regarding this issue, (my google-fu is in my opinion at least up to par)
Whenever I notice my battery draining faster than normal without fail I go into my battery settings and discover that my phone is awake constantly regardless of screen-on time and the culprit is always exclusively Google search. Now its far from difficult to force stop the app and go about my business. And it usually doesn't cause me any issues for a time once that's been done. However, the unpredictability of the Google search app causing a crippling wake lock is for me the main issue as it means I cannot leave my phone unattended for more than a few hours without the possibility of coming back to my phone with my battery that's been molested. The battery in my opinion is more than acceptable and I quite like it. However the uncertainty is horrible.
I've read through the posts In this thread (regrettably few) and I have not been able to make a correlation between location services being on in any of the three modes and Google search wakelocking my ****. Also, I use Google Now all the time every day, and hotword detection is always on to call it up from the home screen by voice which i use even more so. So in my opinion while it is possible I'm sure that somewhere in all that there is a trigger for the issue, it is by no means predictable and in my experience never reproducible.
Now, for the "Google Search" app to cause a wake lock that will persist until the apps been manually force stopped, completely unpredictably represents a HUGE BUG that un-does all of the amazing work with our chipset and kernel and os that gives us such great battery life without having to sacrifice clock speed via custom min/max settings or governor controls.
I just don't get it. This is the first time I've ever encountered such a glaring problem/bug with so little complaint or even discussion.
I think we all should submit official bug- reports to Google about this issue and start being vocal in all of the android communities. I very very rarely comment or post as I am always able to make do by searching and reading diligently. But this blows my mind, the lack of posts and discussion would normally suggest this is a very limited problem affecting a very small minority. But I don't buy that. My set up is too stock, too close to the largest percentage of nexus 5 users to be so. Maybe people are just force stopping the app and forgetting about it, chalking it up to something they've personally done to their phone because "how could Google search be doing this to everyone else". I don't know. But this has to be more widespread of an issue than search results are indicating.
In summation: what OP said lol. But I don't think it has anything to do with what's been suggested by other posters on this thread. Their suggestions may work, and they may mitigate the issue. But if that is the case. Than this a very huge bug that threatens to undo all of the amazing work that's been done with aosp regarding battery efficiency and optimization.
- FerrousState
PS. Let's get some real discussion going in this community and all the others. Smarter people than us should be working on this - Top men guys, TOP MEN!
Hey guys I have this problem as well. I can't view the pics in OP but Google search is running at about 14%
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Brockg said:
Hey guys I have this problem as well. I can't view the pics in OP but Google search is running at about 14%
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Tap Google search in your battery and check how long it's kept your phone awake. Then back, and check again. If the seconds just got higher it's currently eating your battery and needs to be force stopped.
Any suggestions are just to mitigate the problem for now of course. Hopefully it's being worked on.
I've yet to see the issue again but I have Locations and Hot Word off, Google Now on. I strongly believe using either "device only" or turning off the 2 settings within Locations can act as a temporary fix however.
Every test build, including the final release of lollipop had plagued me with a bug where it continuously oom kills apps, including the bluetooth service, music running in the nackground, navigation while im driving, or even my keyboard while im typing. It doesnt matter if its a background process or in the foreground, it will get killed eventually without any force prompt. I've tried lowering my oom values in 3c toolbox but that hasn't done anything. Anyone else having this problem or have a solution?
Well, I know that feel bro. LOL.
Check my post here for my experience.
b00bs said:
Well, I know that feel bro. LOL.
Check my post here for my experience.
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I'm getting the exact same issue here. after using it for awhile (about 40 hours), i was getting launcher redraws constantly. I checked memory usage and system was hogging somewhere between 800MB to 1GB. I was reading on a reddit forum that this is due to a memory leak and that it could be a google play services issue and not a lollipop issue? I'm not a developer so really no basis for comment, but i feel you in that the phone definitely does start to get laggy. I'm really hoping google will address this, but in the meantime the fix has been to reboot.
I have the same problem. N5 is almost unusable on Lollipop. I will admit I have a lot of apps but not that many that are always running in the background.
The big annoyances are what OP said: Navigation getting cut off in the background, Music getting killed. I've noticed these two problems being more prominent when BlueTooth is turned on/connected.
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I have the same problem. N5 is almost unusable on Lollipop. I will admit I have a lot of apps but not that many that are always running in the background.
The big annoyances are what OP said: Navigation getting cut off in the background, Music getting killed. I've noticed these two problems being more prominent when BlueTooth is turned on/connected.
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Seriously, music getting killed with device like Nexus 5 is blow my mind.
Yup. Had Power Amp get killed today. Literally the first time I have EVER seen Power Amp killed. Thanks Lolliflop!
Yeah, this is extremely annoying! Have to restart the phone every 12-24h if I want some decent multitasking!
Please star this issue:
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79729
My Nexus 5 has now become unusable. I can't figure out if it's because of encryption or just shiate multitasking in Lollipop.
<rant> Screw you Google for not having developers that actually use beyond 10 standard apps on their phones in your test group. </rant>
This has nothing to do with encryption .. I don't use this this feature.
Hey guys
I'm having strange problems with Android Auto on Honor 8x.
Sometimes, it works great. The navigation bar shows up, and when I click the audio button, I can see Pocket Casts and Spotify as intended.
However, about 2/3rds of the time, Android Auto doesn't work properly. Either, the bar at the bottom is blank, or my audio apps are not recognized, and pressing the audio button gives the prompt 'Pull over and install android auto apps when it is safe to do so'.
I'm trying to figure out why it works sometimes and other times not, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. I've tried making sure spotify is open before connecting the phone, I've tried making sure it's fully closed, wiping caches of android auto and google apps doesn't seem to make a difference after the initial set up either.
Anyone else?
I'm having exactly the same issue except for me Google play music always appears; just Spotify is sometimes there/sometimes isn't
I initially thought it was a Spotify issue and downloaded Deezer which had exactly the same issue after a few days
I've found sometimes that rebooting the phone works but I've also resorted to reinstalling Spotify at times
I'm just sitting waiting patiently in a hope that it's some "feature" which gets fixed when pie is rolled out, but who knows!
Let us know if you find a fix! ??
I've given up
Mine was just weird full stop! Screen goes weird and kept locking up, half the time 'hey google' wouldn't work amongst other things. I ended up deleting it.
Glad to see it's not only me. It's great when it works, but it's always when I'm about to head out on a long drive that it ****s the bed. The 15 minute journey to town of course, everything's mint..... Having other problems with the phone as well with it's heavy-handed regulation of pretty much everything. No DNS-based or VPN-based adblock can seem to stay alive either. Tried them all! I really hope a decent custom ROM comes out one day, but if not I will probably cut my losses and head back to Moto. Shame really, because it's great value for money and an AOSP version of same hardware would be mint.