Hello friends, based on rumors that the Moto G3 not receive android N due to technical limitations of soc and gpu , I would ask if the Moto g turbo if you receive android N? I ask based on differences in hardware because the turbo model has soc snapdragon 615 and gpu Adreno GPU 405 and in theory there are no limitations on the driver Qualcomm. Thank you very much for your opinions.
To be honest, the Moto G 2015 and the Turbo will likely get it, the only problem with the SD410 SOC is that it won't support Vulcan, which is not a requirement for Nougat.
That being said, Moto has made no promises, or even hinted, at anything about Nougat... I own the Moto X Pure Edition (the US version of the Style) and no word on that either... In fact, Moto hasn't even said if the G4 or Z will get it, although that is more likely than us getting it.
The entire problem here is Moto has nothing at all about Nougat and we are just left to our best speculations.
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Hi all. Trying to make this quick. I have been looking at this device, and it seems that, although it is advertised as having an MSM8960 SoC, that some/all of the Photon Q models actually contain Qualcomm's newer MSM8960DT processor. This is the one included in the Moto X and its Verizon siblings. There is further evidence to indicate that the same may be true of some other devices related to this one, including Droid Razr (Maxx) HD and Droid Razr M.
Is it the case that some of the Photon Q phones do include the 8960DT? Is it that Qualcomm/Moto is trying to consolidate manufacturing in the usual way?
Thanks for the info.
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Hi all. Trying to make this quick. I have been looking at this device, and it seems that, although it is advertised as having an MSM8960 SoC, that some/all of the Photon Q models actually contain Qualcomm's newer MSM8960DT processor. This is the one included in the Moto X and its Verizon siblings. There is further evidence to indicate that the same may be true of some other devices related to this one, including Droid Razr (Maxx) HD and Droid Razr M.
Is it the case that some of the Photon Q phones do include the 8960DT? Is it that Qualcomm/Moto is trying to consolidate manufacturing in the usual way?
Thanks for the info.
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No, the DT is only for the Moto X family as you stated.
The Razr M, Photon Q, etc all have msm8960's. No DT.
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No, the DT is only for the Moto X family as you stated.
The Razr M, Photon Q, etc all have msm8960's. No DT.
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That is what I would think. The 8960 and DT have different actual cores, as well as a substantially different GPU, aaaaaand the contextual processor stuff... not just some silicon revision. However, if you examine this search: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22msm8960dt%22+-%22moto+x%22+-%22droid+ultra%22+-%22droid+maxx%22+-%22droid+mini%22tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F1%2F2013&tbm=#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=%22msm8960dt%22+-%22moto+x%22+-%22droid+ultra%22+-%22droid+maxx%22+-%22droid+mini%22&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:6/1/2013,sbd:1
You would find some (limited) info that seems to indicate otherwise. This doesn't really seem that consequential, but how/why would this be? This result I find to be of particular significance: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2239042. This doesn't seem to be a typo, and I dunno why he would be outright lying lol. Moreover, the Moto X had not been announced when this thread was made, and so unless he reviewed Qualcomm's roadmap or something (unlikely), he wouldn't even know about the 8960DT.
There are similar occurrences of this type of thing with other devices, including the Electrify and Razr M.
Further questions: Are the 8960 and 8960DT pin compatible? I mean this in a similar way that, for example, the OMAP4470 and 4460/4430 are, or (poorer comparison) some Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processor are compatible. If so, the conclusion that some of these devices had DTs becomes a lot more reasonable.
lol... ok.
Believe what you would like to believe. cat /proc/cpuinfo does show
Hardware : msm8960dt
But that doesn't mean we have that processor
I'm sure someone who knows more about the SoC can chime in here - but I know we do not have the new Moto X processor, heh.
That's just a f***ed up naming convention: in our case, msm8960dt means "MSM8960 - Device Tree".
Motorola Droid MAXX shows:
Hardware : msm8960dt
Revision : 8300
Don't have the Q with me now, but I think the revision will be different.
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That's just a f***ed up naming convention: in our case, msm8960dt means "MSM8960 - Device Tree".
Motorola Droid MAXX shows:
Hardware : msm8960dt
Revision : 8300
Don't have the Q with me now, but I think the revision will be different.
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Ah, thanks.
Yes, the revision is different.
Hardware : msm8960dt
Revision : 82b0
The original Motorola qcom msm8960 family (Razr HD, Razr M, Atrix HD, Photon Q) is based on Snapdragon S4 Plus (msm8960/adreno 225 GPU).
The Moto X family on Snapdragon S4 Pro (msm8960dt/adreno 320 GPU).
(And Moto G on Snapdragon 400 - adreno 305)
I don't think there are any exceptions...
Can we compare 6589 or 6589 turbo with chips of moto g , which are best in performance?
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Can we compare 6589 or 6589 turbo with chips of moto g , which are best in performance?
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http://blog.gsmarena.com/moto-g-scores-higher-in-antutu-than-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/
http://liliputing.com/2013/02/media...u-benchmarked-its-fast-for-a-budget-chip.html
So similar performance, but Moto G is faster, at least in antutu :good:
In honesty? No. Its in a class of its own.
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old mt6582 chips scores around 17000, is this thing throwing some question marks on moto g.
Hi all,
I have a nexus 5 and hear alot in the forums about a Moto dalvik patch from the Moto X. Does this come to the Moto G? Is it already included with the Moto G?
I have very little knowledge.
I plan on getting a Moto G for my Mum for christmas.
Please somebody correct me if I'm mistaken, but this Dalvik/Bionic mod you are talking about is for Android 4.4. We won't get the new Android flavour until the end of January.
Probably can work also on 4.3 but someone brave must try
ItzMar said:
Hi all,
I have a nexus 5 and hear alot in the forums about a Moto dalvik patch from the Moto X. Does this come to the Moto G? Is it already included with the Moto G?
I have very little knowledge.
I plan on getting a Moto G for my Mum for christmas.
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No, the Dalvik/bionic patches in question are, I am fairly certain, not from Motorola, but Qualcomm ones from CodeAurora. Many custom firmwares include these (Omni is working on integrating them, but we're tracking down some performance regressions on hammerhead)
HOWEVER: They are specific to Qualcomm Krait CPUs. The G is, I believe, a Cortex-A7 based device (need to check), not Krait. Krait optimizations will very likely not work as expected.
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No, the Dalvik/bionic patches in question are, I am fairly certain, not from Motorola, but Qualcomm ones from CodeAurora. Many custom firmwares include these (Omni is working on integrating them, but we're tracking down some performance regressions on hammerhead)
HOWEVER: They are specific to Qualcomm Krait CPUs. The G is, I believe, a Cortex-A7 based device (need to check), not Krait. Krait optimizations will very likely not work as expected.
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Oh, hello Entropy512 /waves
Tell me you're getting a moto g .... ?
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No, the Dalvik/bionic patches in question are, I am fairly certain, not from Motorola, but Qualcomm ones from CodeAurora. Many custom firmwares include these (Omni is working on integrating them, but we're tracking down some performance regressions on hammerhead)
HOWEVER: They are specific to Qualcomm Krait CPUs. The G is, I believe, a Cortex-A7 based device (need to check), not Krait. Krait optimizations will very likely not work as expected.
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The Moto G runs the Snapdragon 400 CPU and according to WIKI it is Krait, not trying to be a smart a** but correct me if i'm wrong.
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The Moto G runs the Snapdragon 400 CPU and according to WIKI it is Krait, not trying to be a smart a** but correct me if i'm wrong.
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I guess you are right, but there could be some differences between Snapdragon 400 and 600(?) what Moto X and Nexus 5 has that could cause some headaches.
debaj said:
I guess you are right, but there could be some differences between Snapdragon 400 and 600(?) what Moto X and Nexus 5 has that could cause some headaches.
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mykenyc said:
The Moto G runs the Snapdragon 400 CPU and according to WIKI it is Krait, not trying to be a smart a** but correct me if i'm wrong.
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The Moto G has the quad-core Cortex-A7(Note; not Krait) version of the Snapdragon 400. There are other versions of the Snapdragon 400, which is the dual-core Krait 200/300 version of the Snapdragon 400.
For example, the Galaxy S4 mini has a dual-core Krait 300 version of the Snapdragon 400, the Galaxy Ace 3 has the dual-core Krait 200 version, and lastly Moto G has the quad-core Cortex-A7 version.
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The Moto G has the quad-core Cortex-A7(Note; not Krait) version of the Snapdragon 400. There are other versions of the Snapdragon 400, which is the dual-core Krait 200/300 version of the Snapdragon 400.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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Oh, hello Entropy512 /waves
Tell me you're getting a moto g .... ?
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Arrived last night. Not sure how much time I'll actually be able to spend on it, but I hope to get omni at least started on it.
Entropy512 said:
No, the Dalvik/bionic patches in question are, I am fairly certain, not from Motorola, but Qualcomm ones from CodeAurora. Many custom firmwares include these (Omni is working on integrating them, but we're tracking down some performance regressions on hammerhead)
HOWEVER: They are specific to Qualcomm Krait CPUs. The G is, I believe, a Cortex-A7 based device (need to check), not Krait. Krait optimizations will very likely not work as expected.
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All of the bionic patches are on CAF, but dalvik aren't. Both patches come with any non-nexus qcom stock rom, so no need to flash on a stock-based ROM, but they will affect AOSP ROMs, since most don't have them included. QCOM dalvik uses libqc-opt, a proprietary library, and libqc-dalvik, a static library which is tough to find unless you have connections, and even if you do, you can't release the libraries, so you have to use prebuilts rather than being able to build from source.
Also, these don't seem to be specific to Qualcomm. Other devices have flashed these and reported a large benchmark increase and some performance increases as well. Could be all placebo, though. It's hard to say. This doesn't appear to be an app spy, like Samsung's DVFS, where it ramps up the freqs when it detects a benchmark app, but I'm not exactly sure how it works. @Entropy512, if you have time, go on Hangouts.
TL;DR: If you're running a stock-based ROM, no need to flash the Moto X patches, you already have them. If you run an AOSP ROM, chances are, you won't have the Qualcomm Dalvik, so flash that. Many ROMs (PA, CM, etc) already have the CAF bionic, so no need to flash that either. If you want to know, PM me and I can look and report back to you.
To be honest as Google appear to be phasing out Dalvik in favour of their own ART, i'm not sure why you'd want to bother with something that at best is likely to be only around a short time. I'm quite looking forward to see what ART brings to the mix now and in the future when it's more established.
Im considering upgrading to the newer version of the G and giving the old one to my parents. Is the upgrade really worth it? How is the battery life compared to the original G?
Just looking for your thoughts...
Both phones have same processor, RAM and GPU. Only difference is new moto g have slightly bigger screen and 8 mp camera while old moto g have 5 mp camera.
But old moto g has great developer support while newer one is not that famous.
So I suggest not upgrading.
Don't update now,
Wait and update to Moto G 3rd gen when release.
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Both phones have same processor, RAM and GPU. Only difference is new moto g have slightly bigger screen and 8 mp camera while old moto g have 5 mp camera.
But old moto g has great developer support while newer one is not that famous.
So I suggest not upgrading.
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chirvan said:
Don't update now,
Wait and update to Moto G 3rd gen when release.
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Yeah that what i figured. Im going to keep it for now. Thanks for your advice guys!
There is a deal where i get £50 off price of 8gb 3rd gen moto g, bringing price to £80.
My current moto G 1st gen (xt1032) is fine, except i keep running out of space. Insufficient memory.
The sd card feature on the 3rd gen has me interested. BUT, lotss of people are complaing that you can't transfer many apps to sdcard, even with adaptive storage feature of new android.
So my main problem with my phone, which is lack of memory, wont really get solved, right? Other than that I am fine with my current phone.
Should I upgrade?
(should i have posted this in the Moto G 2015 forum?)
No, the only things good of 2015 moto g is camera and the water resistence! There are many things no good (my brother have moto g 2015):
-the audio is no good, is low
-the memory is no sufficient
-1Gb of RAM now is not good! In 2013 yes but now no!
-the CPU is similar to our falcon (snap 410 on 2015, snap 400 on 2013)
Wait for the 2016 lenovo G is my answer
Install a light ROM on your moto g 2013 and you can resolve the memory problem (like my BackToCyanogenmod11). Don't play at the marketing game! Moto G 2013=Moto G 2014=Moto g 2015. The only things upgraded is camera! (Moto g 2015 photo are beautiful and you can make photo also in the see!)
SLATE21&MOTOG said:
No, the only things good of 2015 moto g is camera and the water resistence! There are many things no good (my brother have moto g 2015):
-the audio is no good, is low
-the memory is no sufficient
-1Gb of RAM now is not good! In 2013 yes but now no!
-the CPU is similar to our falcon (snap 410 on 2015, snap 400 on 2013)
Wait for the 2016 lenovo G is my answer
Install a light ROM on your moto g 2013 and you can resolve the memory problem (like my BackToCyanogenmod11). Don't play at the marketing game! Moto G 2013=Moto G 2014=Moto g 2015. The only things upgraded is camera! (Moto g 2015 photo are beautiful and you can make photo also in the see!)
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you convinced me. thanks. i shouldnt be looking at new phones anyway, can't afford them. I'll start learning about flashing new ROM. phone is already rooted anyway.
I just realised I have a 1.5 gig nandroid backup saved to internal memory which wasn't showing up in the storage thing. I can delete/move that!! I'm so happy [emoji9] [emoji2] [emoji3] [emoji4] [emoji5] [emoji7] [emoji8] [emoji9] [emoji10] [emoji11] [emoji12] [emoji13] [emoji14] [emoji15] [emoji16]