yep looks like the V20 is my next phone. Decision has been made easy.
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v20-will-be-first-phone-quad-dac
The LG V20 not only will be the first phone to run Android 7.0, but news from Seoul tells us it will also be the first smartphone to feature a Quad DAC.
While the actual model isn't yet revealed, we do know LG is once again partnering with ESS to bring premium audio to the V20. ESS also provided the excellent 32bit DAC in the V10, which received pretty rave reviews for its audio performance.
Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. — Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company. LG says that they know users are now looking for more than a fast processor and a big display when they buy a high-end phone, and they aim to provide it with the V20. We'll know more — and hopefully get to put our hands on a V20 — on September 6 when LG unveils the whole package in San Francisco. In the meantime, we can read the press releases. This one is below.
LG V20, WORLD'S FIRST SMARTPHONE WITH QUAD DAC FOR BEST IN CLASS AUDIO
LG and ESS Technology Collaborate to Deliver One-of-a-Kind Audio Experience
SEOUL, Aug. 11, 2016 ― LG Electronics (LG) announced that its forthcoming flagship smartphone, LG V20, will be the first smartphone in the industry to feature 32-bit Hi-Fi Quad DAC (digital to analog converter) capabilities, bringing a superior audio experience to mobile for the very first time.
A Quad DAC delivers a crisp and clear sound that comes closest to a live performance when using compatible wired headphones. The sound is superior to that produced by a traditional DAC as it can reduce up to 50 percent of ambient noise levels. Videos taken with the V20 are accompanied by a soundtrack that can capture the roaring sound of waves crashing on a beach or conversations among two individuals at a noisy party.
LG worked closely with ESS Technology, a leader in high-performance analog and audio devices, to ensure that the Quad DAC, delivered the best audio experience for owners of the LG V20. The Quad DAC is the lynchpin of the many cutting-edge multimedia features included in the LG V20. ESS Technology previously provided its 32-bit Hi-Fi DAC in the V10, LG V20's predecessor.
"As smartphones mature, we're seeing more and more customers looking beyond just fast processors and big displays in their devices," said Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company. "Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. We're pleased to continue this long-term partnership with ESS and bring best in class audio to LG V20 users."
"We are extremely excited that our Quad DAC technology will be featured in the V20, LG's latest flagship smartphone for consumers who demand the best media experience," said Robert Blair, president and chief executive officer of ESS Technology. "As a technology more typically available in high-end audio equipment, Quad DAC on the V20 will make users feel as if they are carrying around a professional home-audio system on their smartphone."
Sound should be phenomenal!
Amd4life said:
yep looks like the V20 is my next phone. Decision has been made easy.
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v20-will-be-first-phone-quad-dac
The LG V20 not only will be the first phone to run Android 7.0, but news from Seoul tells us it will also be the first smartphone to feature a Quad DAC.
While the actual model isn't yet revealed, we do know LG is once again partnering with ESS to bring premium audio to the V20. ESS also provided the excellent 32bit DAC in the V10, which received pretty rave reviews for its audio performance.
Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. â?? Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company.
LG says that they know users are now looking for more than a fast processor and a big display when they buy a high-end phone, and they aim to provide it with the V20. We'll know more â?? and hopefully get to put our hands on a V20 â?? on September 6 when LG unveils the whole package in San Francisco. In the meantime, we can read the press releases. This one is below.
LG V20, WORLD'S FIRST SMARTPHONE WITH QUAD DAC FOR BEST IN CLASS AUDIO
LG and ESS Technology Collaborate to Deliver One-of-a-Kind Audio Experience
SEOUL, Aug. 11, 2016 ― LG Electronics (LG) announced that its forthcoming flagship smartphone, LG V20, will be the first smartphone in the industry to feature 32-bit Hi-Fi Quad DAC (digital to analog converter) capabilities, bringing a superior audio experience to mobile for the very first time.
A Quad DAC delivers a crisp and clear sound that comes closest to a live performance when using compatible wired headphones. The sound is superior to that produced by a traditional DAC as it can reduce up to 50 percent of ambient noise levels. Videos taken with the V20 are accompanied by a soundtrack that can capture the roaring sound of waves crashing on a beach or conversations among two individuals at a noisy party.
LG worked closely with ESS Technology, a leader in high-performance analog and audio devices, to ensure that the Quad DAC, delivered the best audio experience for owners of the LG V20. The Quad DAC is the lynchpin of the many cutting-edge multimedia features included in the LG V20. ESS Technology previously provided its 32-bit Hi-Fi DAC in the V10, LG V20's predecessor.
"As smartphones mature, we're seeing more and more customers looking beyond just fast processors and big displays in their devices," said Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company. "Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. We're pleased to continue this long-term partnership with ESS and bring best in class audio to LG V20 users."
"We are extremely excited that our Quad DAC technology will be featured in the V20, LG's latest flagship smartphone for consumers who demand the best media experience," said Robert Blair, president and chief executive officer of ESS Technology. "As a technology more typically available in high-end audio equipment, Quad DAC on the V20 will make users feel as if they are carrying around a professional home-audio system on their smartphone."
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Will it come with a locked bootloader??
what concerns me slightly is that i have the HiFi DAC module on the G5 and it actually uses a better Sabre DAC chip (their flagship ES9028) over the 9018 in the V20. True there's 4 of the lower end chips in the V20.
correct me if im wrong
mikey_sk said:
what concerns me slightly is that i have the HiFi DAC module on the G5 and it actually uses a better Sabre DAC chip (their flagship ES9028) over the 9018 in the V20. True there's 4 of the lower end chips in the V20.
correct me if im wrong
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I doubt there's any noticeable difference. Either setup is going to be plenty better than the 820 audio setup.
The DAC in the V20 is tempting me tremendously.....BUT, as I approach the purchase of a new headunit in my Z, I plan to use bluetooth streaming of music from my phone to the headunit.....so, if im not mistaken, the DAC is useless for bluetooth users..... someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
igotroot said:
The DAC in the V20 is tempting me tremendously.....BUT, as I approach the purchase of a new headunit in my Z, I plan to use bluetooth streaming of music from my phone to the headunit.....so, if im not mistaken, the DAC is useless for bluetooth users..... someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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That is true. But I highly recommend you make sure that headunit and your phone supports apt-X codec for the best BT sound possible.
Nitemare3219 said:
That is true. But I highly recommend you make sure that headunit and your phone supports apt-X codec for the best BT sound possible.
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and of course bluetooth wont match the pure 32/192 steam of an analogue headphone when playing higher res files.
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and of course bluetooth wont match the pure 32/192 steam of an analogue headphone when playing higher res files.
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Yeah...... maybe in the future a high res transmission for bluetooth, etc may exist
The audio DAC is also tempting for me. I have a Note 4 Development Edition, and a Nissan Altima. The car has XM (which I used for years until the price got too high), a 6 CD changer, and a 3.5mm AUX input. When I use the Note 4 connected to headphones or to the car, I can hear a constant hiss in the background, and if the phone is charging at the same time, I hear electrical interference from that.
Hopefully the V20 doesn't have these issues (not sure if Samsung fixed it on the Note 7).
FAUguy said:
The audio DAC is also tempting for me. I have a Note 4 Development Edition, and a Nissan Altima. The car has XM (which I used for years until the price got too high), a 6 CD changer, and a 3.5mm AUX input. When I use the Note 4 connected to headphones or to the car, I can hear a constant hiss in the background, and if the phone is charging at the same time, I hear electrical interference from that.
Hopefully the V20 doesn't have these issues (not sure if Samsung fixed it on the Note 7).
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Problem is that your putting a headphone impedance output into a line level input
Im guessing you need to turn the volume way up too ? Correct
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Problem is that your putting a headphone impedance output into a line level input
Im guessing you need to turn the volume way up too ? Correct
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If this is the case, it may be worth trying a USB OTG cable connected to a USB DAC.
I ran this on my Note 3 and connected it to a headphone amp. I think I only paid about £20 for the DAC and under a fiver for the OTG.
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If this is the case, it may be worth trying a USB OTG cable connected to a USB DAC.
I ran this on my Note 3 and connected it to a headphone amp. I think I only paid about £20 for the DAC and under a fiver for the OTG.
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I'm not sure what the impedance difference is between the 3.5 mm headphone out on the Note 4, and the 3.5mm AUX Audio input on my 2009 Altima Bose stereo.
But as far as using a USB On The Go cable, I can see connecting it to the phone, but then to a headphone DAC Amp and then to the 3.5mm radio input?
If this is the case, how do you get the music to stream from the phone, via USB, to the DAC?
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Problem is that your putting a headphone impedance output into a line level input
Im guessing you need to turn the volume way up too ? Correct
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I'm not sure what the impedance difference is between the 3.5 mm headphone out on the Note 4, and the 3.5mm AUX Audio input on my 2009 Altima Bose stereo.
But as far as using a USB On The Go cable, I can see connecting it to the phone, but then to a headphone DAC Amp and then to the 3.5mm radio input?
If this is the case, how do you get the music to stream from the phone, via USB, to the DAC?
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The phone recognises that there is a USB DAC and sends the audio there. I don't do anything in particular to switch between USB or the 3.5mm jack.
Viper and Poweramp both have USB settings.
The DAC I have is the Stoner Acoustics UD100. I bought it in 2013. I have an old Fiio E5 headphone amp to go with it too.
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The phone recognises that there is a USB DAC and sends the audio there. I don't do anything in particular to switch between USB or the 3.5mm jack.
Viper and Poweramp both have USB settings.
The DAC I have is the Stoner Acoustics UD100. I bought it in 2013. I have an old Fiio E5 headphone amp to go with it too.
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I think that I would try the V20 by itself first with audio out to the car, before buying external components.
And as far as using it with my Note 4, there would be no way to keep the phobe charge plugged in, if the USB is being used with a DAC.
FAUguy said:
I think that I would try the V20 by itself first with audio out to the car, before buying external components.
And as far as using it with my Note 4, there would be no way to keep the phobe charge plugged in, if the USB is being used with a DAC.
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Yes, of course. If the on-board DAC is adequate and there are no more problems with the hissing, which is why I suggested the external DAC initially.
As for charging, I have seen these but not tried them personally:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00V9XS4V4/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_147_1/251-1648480-3081019
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Yes, of course. If the on-board DAC is adequate and there are no more problems with the hissing, which is why I suggested the external DAC initially.
As for charging, I have seen these but not tried them personally:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00V9XS4V4/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_147_1/251-1648480-3081019
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Well I tried the Note 4 with my car's AUX input again.
As it turns out, if you plug in the audio cable from the phone to the car first, play a song, then plug in the charger, you don't hear any hiss. But if you stop and exit the music player, while the phone is charging, you can hear an electric sound, and even static when touching the screen.
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Is it true that exynos varian won´t have the Wolfson DAC ??
I believe neither will according to SamMobile. They supposedly made an in-house DAC for the S7.
thanks
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thanks
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Its seems that "Lucky" is Wolfson chip.
Some C company took over Wolfson and its a same code that Lucky has.
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Nice to ear that!!
It seems that it's sort of a Wolfson chip. Cirrus Logic bought Wolfson two years ago. I'm not sure if they've integrated their product line all under Cirrus, or if there are different philosophies behind each. Their website lists both Cirrus (CS) and Wolfson (WM) DACs
http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/areas/PA65.html
In the past (before Cirrus bought Wolfson) I know some people found Wolfson chips to generally have a different sound signature than Cirrus chips, not sure if that continues today, or if the fact that the custom chip the S7 has is using a Cirrus model code simply because Cirrus bought Wolfson, or if it'll make a difference in sound signature.
I'll be checking this thread regularly, as well as over at Head-Fi. I pre-ordered the S7 Edge, but I have a feeling that here in the US we might be stuck with the integrated Qualcomm DAC. My understanding was that the Exynos phones got the Wolfson because it did not have an integrated DAC solution, so Samsung had to implement one. I can't really see them doing that when the Qualcomm chip already has one. What do you guys think? I mean, I hope I'm wrong! Anything is better than the Qualcomm one and it's usually fairly weak on the headphone output as well. I would hate to see these take a step back from the S6/N5.
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,,...The device also features wireless charging and a Hi-Fi audio DAC, but unfortunately, these features are going to be region specific. So, while wireless charging will be available only in the US, the audio DAC will be limited to select markets in Asia. LG says that this is an informed decision based on consumer wants and needs in each particular region. For example, the demand for wireless charging is quite high in the US, while it isn’t as important in other regions, such as South Korea...,,
..money is money.. HiFi Quad DAC in Asian .
The rest of the Snapdragon 821 plays music. Or the private import ..
Any thoughts on how to import? I am interested in the Hi-Res DAC Version as a replacement for my Pixel XL. Are there any downsides of using the Asian version in Europe like missing bands?
chortya said:
Any thoughts on how to import? I am interested in the Hi-Res DAC Version as a replacement for my Pixel XL. Are there any downsides of using the Asian version in Europe like missing bands?
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Who do you know that? But if you go out from the LG V20-, the Asian version of me in the middle of Europe is working well.
It might be ship-able from middle east like Dubai. Korean and Chinese manufacturers always launch them there earlier than the rest of Asian market (after their homeland launch of course).
If someone wants the dac in the US they should just go for the v20, I think the g6 looks nice but as far as features and functions go the v20 is superior. The 821 processor has very little performance difference from the 820 in the v20.
It's LG's sell out phone in my opinion it looks like LG is just going to follow other developers.
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Quick update from my side. I have recieved my LG G6 from Korea and I love the audio quality. Sounds slightly better then my DragonFly black.
Compared to the Pioneer XDP100R DAP I have also owned DAC applies to all sound not only native player.
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Seems like a lot of trouble to go through for a DAC that may downsample and not work correctly. LG still hasn't fixed the V20 DAC firmware, so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in this device either, especially if you only want it for the DAC. I would simply get a cheaper phone you can buy domestically and buy a small portable DAC that will actually work properly.
Just sold My g7+ and going to have The v50 on friday.
Nice to talk to you all!
why again LG
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why again LG
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why not
Because, for me, the LG V50 5G is the best phone of 2019 with the best cameras/camera software, nice design on the back/less on the front, best audio quality (v50 standar DAC destroys by a mile other phones dacs, QUAD - DAC is light years ahead, best AMP for headphones, 50 Ohm impedance trick, DTSX, LDAC), best fit for my Tidal Master account, best fit for my sony wh1000m3 headphones, snapdragon 855 mobile platform with 5G modem (IMO sd855 destroys a12 bionic or kirin or exynos), USB C 3.1 with 5gbps speed and HDMI output with power delivery, otg support and probably better display than samsungs s10 line. Indeed I miss G7-G8 form factor, but the v50 is in another league of quality. These are just a few of my reasons...
Tell more about the LG V50 impressions, like SD855 vs SD845. The smoothness of the UI & the overall performance. How's Pie embedded to the LG UX 8.0. Does the navigation gestures feel close to stock Android, which is I love about Pie. Not the Samsung's One UI navigation gestures, which I don't prefer.
Hello everyone!
I'm new to this section of this forum so I've read quite a few posts about the android head units. Recently I've got a MB CLK 2006 USA spec with COMAND MSCII and Harman/Kardon. Everything is great except for the fact that I live in Europe and the vehicle is from USA. The head unit has limited functionality and poor choice of audio sources (AUX and CDs). I'd like to upgrade to an android head unit though I'm really concerned about the sound quality. Most posts I read say that the quality is WORSE than the stock unit. Is that true? I was looking particularly at this head unit. It says it has "built-in" DSP and an octa core processor. So I'd assume this is the best bet I've got considering I want to keep the OEM look. Will it be compatible with Harman/Kardon and its optics wiring? Can I expect at least similar sound quality as from the OEM unit listening to a CD?
Thank you for all the replies in advance!
Have you ever wondered why the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra retails at $1,000 while Realme GT with the same processor and 120Hz Amoled Screen retails at $460 - less than half the price of the Samsung?
Today, I will discuss how most Android phone manufacturers cut corners to sell many Android phones cheaply without most users knowing.
Is this really a bad thing? Em! The Answer is not a straight yes or no as I'll explain shortly.
However, we will focus on one act of cutting corners that proves costly when your Android screen breaks or the Touch screen stops working - the USB Alt mode!
A rich feature of Android that should be on every Android phone, but it's not, and most OEMs who sell phones cheaper don’t want you to know.
But if You'd like to know more about it, let’s go check it out.
Before we go into the USB ALT mode,
How do Android OEMs keep cutting corners and selling phones cheap?
The most straightforward answer is the Android Midrange phone segment!
As Android Midrange phones got better and better over the past three years, more premium features like Flagship processors, top quality camera sensors, NFC, super quick charging, bigger batteries, 120Hz refresh rate AMOLED screens and more. You don't need to spend $1000 to get a good Android phone. $400 - $500 will give you a good Android phone that serves all your phone needs and there are plenty of options in this top midrange segment.
Wireless charging, IP certification for dust and water resistance, latest camera sensors and optical image stabilisation may just be the few features exclusive to premium Android Flagship phones. The reality is over 90% of Android phone users can comfortably use their phones without wireless charging and IP certification. Which means that Android OEMs can continue to cut corners, sell phones cheaper and still keep the majority of the users happy.
You may already know that Android OEMs reduce premium glass back down to cheap plastic, Replace Aluminium phone chassis with plastic and use a two-year-old processor in their midrange phone. However, they cut a corner that you probably haven't heard about yet.
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While Android OEMs can cramp in more hardware into midrange phones, these hardwares are poorly Utilized. Top-end processors - poor cooling system, great camera sensor - no optical image stabilization. I can go on and on about underutilized hardware in Android midrange phones. It gets even worse when it comes to software optimisation in Android midrange and Flagship killers.
You barely get 2 years of Android OS upgrade, security updates don’t come monthly and after sale support amongst Android midrange is next to none. If you think this is all, just fasten your seat belt cause we are about to take off.
The USB Alternative mode exposes how Android OEMs cut deep corners to the detriment, growth and robustness of the Android ecosystem.
What is USB ALT Mode?
USB ALT Mode is a functional extension of USB type C which enables USB connections to carry non-USB signals. ALT MODES are optional capabilities that are unique to the USB-C connector or port that allow technologies like Display Port, Thunderbolt, reversible charging, transmitted via USB-C.
The USB ALT mode allows your Android phone to deliver up to 4k video at 60FPS from your USB C port, charge another device, Receive digital sound or multiple joystick connections all from your USB C port. Let's stick to the USB C display out function because several Android Flagship devices already have this function.
So, How do Android Phone Manufacturers avoid adding a display port to their phone's USB C?
The easiest way Android OEMs cut this corner is simple - continue to use USB C v2.0 instead of V3.1 and beyond. USB ALT MODE Display port requires USB C v3.1 and Above therefore, Android OEMs stick with USB C v2.0 and boom, no need to talk about Display port
Let's take a little quiz - Is your current Smartphone using USB C v2.0, 3.0, 3.1 or 3.2?
Let's make it practical. The Realme GT2 Pro and the OnePlus 10 Pro are similar devices or a clone of each other as they share the same specs in everything but one. The Oneplus 10 Pro costs 18% higher than Realme GT 2 Pro and you want to know how Realme cut that corner? The GT 2 Pro Uses USB type C v2.0, While the Oneplus 10 pro uses USB type C v3.1 with a display port function
So, what’s my point?
There will be no need for me to make a series of videos on how to access or use your phone with a dead or broken screen if your USB-C is also a display port. It could have been the same way you plug in an external monitor to your Laptop, PC or Mac when the internal screen is bad or not good enough.
USB ALT Mode was released in 2014 and 8 years later, it is not available in any Android Midrange phones.
Sadly, Google was the first Android OEM that failed to implement the USB Alt mode display port when the Pixel 2 launched with USB-C v3.1 in 2017. Maybe Google trying to sell more Chromecast devices contributed to that as it. Today, Chromecast is probably half dead and Google still disabled USB C display out for recent Pixel phones.
In 2018, Samsung implemented the USB ALT mode Display port with the debut of the Samsung Galaxy S8 series. However, Samsung had to add their interest to display port, launched Samsung Dex and sold a composite product - the Dex Duck- for over $100 if you want to use the display port features in all its glory. Samsung Dex didn’t turn out so successful and my $5 knockoff adapter works fine for USB C to HDMI display and enables Samsung Dex if I connect the charger. I will put a link to the adaptor in the video description. It is also available for iPhones starting from the iPhone 6s.
There is no way I will end this video without mentioning Xiaomi. Four years after Samsung started using USB-C v3.1 and display port in its flagship phone, Xiaomi’s 2022 flagship Mi 12 Pro is still stuck with USB-C v2.0. USB ALT mode Display Port cannot be implemented with USB-C v2.0 so, don’t bother checking.
Xiaomi has migrated into the Android Top tier of premium phones but somehow, still cuts corner. The Mi 11 Ultra that retailed for $1100 for the base configuration - a true premium flagship Android phone from Xiaomi. However, corners were still cut because the Mi 11 Ultra had a USB-C v2.0 without the Display port function of the USB ALT mode. How do you sell a phone over $1000 dollar with USB C v2.0? I will put a list of Android devices that support USB-C display port in the video description, do check it out before thinking of your next phone.
I just feel that Android OEMs should stop this madness of upping the specs each year without maximising the available Hardware features in improving software experience.
so, focusing on hardware/software optimizations will do the Android ecosystem a whole world of Good.
I really recommend Samsung for giving 4 years of Android OS upgrade from S22 series and I want Google and other Android OEMs to do likewise for all Android phones.
Let me know what you think in the comment section. Do you think Android OEMs should focus on improving the general software experience more than just specs sheets?
How to get to know which USB-C version your smartphone uses? Is there an app or adb command or something to check this? I'm interested which version the S23 Ultra has