So, if the rumors are true, HTC will make the 2016 Nexus phones, which I expect will have at least one model with a Snapdragon 820 processor and all the usual bit that Qualcomm delivers alongside it.
That brings the question, given that Qualcomm completed the purchase of CSR, the outfit behind aptX, last August, and all three of the flagship Snapdragon 820-packing phones (LG G5, Samsung S7, and the HTC 10) have incorporated aptX (which CSR/Qualcomm do say has to happen at the device manufacturers level, so it's not a requirement from Qualcomm to support the codec), what are the odds that an HTC Nexus phone will?
Bear in mind that no Nexus phone has supported the aptX codec so far as it is considered to be a proprietary technology and Google won't support/pay for proprietary tech, be it codecs or otherwise. I suppose it's the purist approach, which they are fully in the right to pursue, even if I preferred otherwise.
tl;dr version: No Nexus phone supported aptX, if HTC makes 2016 Nexus phone(s) with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 (and Qualcomm owns the aptX technologies), what are the odds that Google might support aptX on a "pure" Android platform?
yep looks like the V20 is my next phone. Decision has been made easy.
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v20-will-be-first-phone-quad-dac
The LG V20 not only will be the first phone to run Android 7.0, but news from Seoul tells us it will also be the first smartphone to feature a Quad DAC.
While the actual model isn't yet revealed, we do know LG is once again partnering with ESS to bring premium audio to the V20. ESS also provided the excellent 32bit DAC in the V10, which received pretty rave reviews for its audio performance.
Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. — Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company. LG says that they know users are now looking for more than a fast processor and a big display when they buy a high-end phone, and they aim to provide it with the V20. We'll know more — and hopefully get to put our hands on a V20 — on September 6 when LG unveils the whole package in San Francisco. In the meantime, we can read the press releases. This one is below.
LG V20, WORLD'S FIRST SMARTPHONE WITH QUAD DAC FOR BEST IN CLASS AUDIO
LG and ESS Technology Collaborate to Deliver One-of-a-Kind Audio Experience
SEOUL, Aug. 11, 2016 ― LG Electronics (LG) announced that its forthcoming flagship smartphone, LG V20, will be the first smartphone in the industry to feature 32-bit Hi-Fi Quad DAC (digital to analog converter) capabilities, bringing a superior audio experience to mobile for the very first time.
A Quad DAC delivers a crisp and clear sound that comes closest to a live performance when using compatible wired headphones. The sound is superior to that produced by a traditional DAC as it can reduce up to 50 percent of ambient noise levels. Videos taken with the V20 are accompanied by a soundtrack that can capture the roaring sound of waves crashing on a beach or conversations among two individuals at a noisy party.
LG worked closely with ESS Technology, a leader in high-performance analog and audio devices, to ensure that the Quad DAC, delivered the best audio experience for owners of the LG V20. The Quad DAC is the lynchpin of the many cutting-edge multimedia features included in the LG V20. ESS Technology previously provided its 32-bit Hi-Fi DAC in the V10, LG V20's predecessor.
"As smartphones mature, we're seeing more and more customers looking beyond just fast processors and big displays in their devices," said Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company. "Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. We're pleased to continue this long-term partnership with ESS and bring best in class audio to LG V20 users."
"We are extremely excited that our Quad DAC technology will be featured in the V20, LG's latest flagship smartphone for consumers who demand the best media experience," said Robert Blair, president and chief executive officer of ESS Technology. "As a technology more typically available in high-end audio equipment, Quad DAC on the V20 will make users feel as if they are carrying around a professional home-audio system on their smartphone."
Sound should be phenomenal!
Amd4life said:
yep looks like the V20 is my next phone. Decision has been made easy.
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v20-will-be-first-phone-quad-dac
The LG V20 not only will be the first phone to run Android 7.0, but news from Seoul tells us it will also be the first smartphone to feature a Quad DAC.
While the actual model isn't yet revealed, we do know LG is once again partnering with ESS to bring premium audio to the V20. ESS also provided the excellent 32bit DAC in the V10, which received pretty rave reviews for its audio performance.
Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. â?? Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company.
LG says that they know users are now looking for more than a fast processor and a big display when they buy a high-end phone, and they aim to provide it with the V20. We'll know more â?? and hopefully get to put our hands on a V20 â?? on September 6 when LG unveils the whole package in San Francisco. In the meantime, we can read the press releases. This one is below.
LG V20, WORLD'S FIRST SMARTPHONE WITH QUAD DAC FOR BEST IN CLASS AUDIO
LG and ESS Technology Collaborate to Deliver One-of-a-Kind Audio Experience
SEOUL, Aug. 11, 2016 ― LG Electronics (LG) announced that its forthcoming flagship smartphone, LG V20, will be the first smartphone in the industry to feature 32-bit Hi-Fi Quad DAC (digital to analog converter) capabilities, bringing a superior audio experience to mobile for the very first time.
A Quad DAC delivers a crisp and clear sound that comes closest to a live performance when using compatible wired headphones. The sound is superior to that produced by a traditional DAC as it can reduce up to 50 percent of ambient noise levels. Videos taken with the V20 are accompanied by a soundtrack that can capture the roaring sound of waves crashing on a beach or conversations among two individuals at a noisy party.
LG worked closely with ESS Technology, a leader in high-performance analog and audio devices, to ensure that the Quad DAC, delivered the best audio experience for owners of the LG V20. The Quad DAC is the lynchpin of the many cutting-edge multimedia features included in the LG V20. ESS Technology previously provided its 32-bit Hi-Fi DAC in the V10, LG V20's predecessor.
"As smartphones mature, we're seeing more and more customers looking beyond just fast processors and big displays in their devices," said Juno Cho, president of LG Electronics and Mobile Communications Company. "Higher quality audio is simply the natural evolution of the smartphone, as the industry moves toward a more holistic multimedia consumption experience. We're pleased to continue this long-term partnership with ESS and bring best in class audio to LG V20 users."
"We are extremely excited that our Quad DAC technology will be featured in the V20, LG's latest flagship smartphone for consumers who demand the best media experience," said Robert Blair, president and chief executive officer of ESS Technology. "As a technology more typically available in high-end audio equipment, Quad DAC on the V20 will make users feel as if they are carrying around a professional home-audio system on their smartphone."
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Will it come with a locked bootloader??
what concerns me slightly is that i have the HiFi DAC module on the G5 and it actually uses a better Sabre DAC chip (their flagship ES9028) over the 9018 in the V20. True there's 4 of the lower end chips in the V20.
correct me if im wrong
mikey_sk said:
what concerns me slightly is that i have the HiFi DAC module on the G5 and it actually uses a better Sabre DAC chip (their flagship ES9028) over the 9018 in the V20. True there's 4 of the lower end chips in the V20.
correct me if im wrong
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I doubt there's any noticeable difference. Either setup is going to be plenty better than the 820 audio setup.
The DAC in the V20 is tempting me tremendously.....BUT, as I approach the purchase of a new headunit in my Z, I plan to use bluetooth streaming of music from my phone to the headunit.....so, if im not mistaken, the DAC is useless for bluetooth users..... someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
igotroot said:
The DAC in the V20 is tempting me tremendously.....BUT, as I approach the purchase of a new headunit in my Z, I plan to use bluetooth streaming of music from my phone to the headunit.....so, if im not mistaken, the DAC is useless for bluetooth users..... someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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That is true. But I highly recommend you make sure that headunit and your phone supports apt-X codec for the best BT sound possible.
Nitemare3219 said:
That is true. But I highly recommend you make sure that headunit and your phone supports apt-X codec for the best BT sound possible.
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and of course bluetooth wont match the pure 32/192 steam of an analogue headphone when playing higher res files.
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and of course bluetooth wont match the pure 32/192 steam of an analogue headphone when playing higher res files.
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Yeah...... maybe in the future a high res transmission for bluetooth, etc may exist
The audio DAC is also tempting for me. I have a Note 4 Development Edition, and a Nissan Altima. The car has XM (which I used for years until the price got too high), a 6 CD changer, and a 3.5mm AUX input. When I use the Note 4 connected to headphones or to the car, I can hear a constant hiss in the background, and if the phone is charging at the same time, I hear electrical interference from that.
Hopefully the V20 doesn't have these issues (not sure if Samsung fixed it on the Note 7).
FAUguy said:
The audio DAC is also tempting for me. I have a Note 4 Development Edition, and a Nissan Altima. The car has XM (which I used for years until the price got too high), a 6 CD changer, and a 3.5mm AUX input. When I use the Note 4 connected to headphones or to the car, I can hear a constant hiss in the background, and if the phone is charging at the same time, I hear electrical interference from that.
Hopefully the V20 doesn't have these issues (not sure if Samsung fixed it on the Note 7).
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Problem is that your putting a headphone impedance output into a line level input
Im guessing you need to turn the volume way up too ? Correct
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Problem is that your putting a headphone impedance output into a line level input
Im guessing you need to turn the volume way up too ? Correct
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If this is the case, it may be worth trying a USB OTG cable connected to a USB DAC.
I ran this on my Note 3 and connected it to a headphone amp. I think I only paid about £20 for the DAC and under a fiver for the OTG.
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If this is the case, it may be worth trying a USB OTG cable connected to a USB DAC.
I ran this on my Note 3 and connected it to a headphone amp. I think I only paid about £20 for the DAC and under a fiver for the OTG.
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I'm not sure what the impedance difference is between the 3.5 mm headphone out on the Note 4, and the 3.5mm AUX Audio input on my 2009 Altima Bose stereo.
But as far as using a USB On The Go cable, I can see connecting it to the phone, but then to a headphone DAC Amp and then to the 3.5mm radio input?
If this is the case, how do you get the music to stream from the phone, via USB, to the DAC?
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Problem is that your putting a headphone impedance output into a line level input
Im guessing you need to turn the volume way up too ? Correct
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I'm not sure what the impedance difference is between the 3.5 mm headphone out on the Note 4, and the 3.5mm AUX Audio input on my 2009 Altima Bose stereo.
But as far as using a USB On The Go cable, I can see connecting it to the phone, but then to a headphone DAC Amp and then to the 3.5mm radio input?
If this is the case, how do you get the music to stream from the phone, via USB, to the DAC?
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The phone recognises that there is a USB DAC and sends the audio there. I don't do anything in particular to switch between USB or the 3.5mm jack.
Viper and Poweramp both have USB settings.
The DAC I have is the Stoner Acoustics UD100. I bought it in 2013. I have an old Fiio E5 headphone amp to go with it too.
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The phone recognises that there is a USB DAC and sends the audio there. I don't do anything in particular to switch between USB or the 3.5mm jack.
Viper and Poweramp both have USB settings.
The DAC I have is the Stoner Acoustics UD100. I bought it in 2013. I have an old Fiio E5 headphone amp to go with it too.
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I think that I would try the V20 by itself first with audio out to the car, before buying external components.
And as far as using it with my Note 4, there would be no way to keep the phobe charge plugged in, if the USB is being used with a DAC.
FAUguy said:
I think that I would try the V20 by itself first with audio out to the car, before buying external components.
And as far as using it with my Note 4, there would be no way to keep the phobe charge plugged in, if the USB is being used with a DAC.
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Yes, of course. If the on-board DAC is adequate and there are no more problems with the hissing, which is why I suggested the external DAC initially.
As for charging, I have seen these but not tried them personally:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00V9XS4V4/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_147_1/251-1648480-3081019
DannyY said:
Yes, of course. If the on-board DAC is adequate and there are no more problems with the hissing, which is why I suggested the external DAC initially.
As for charging, I have seen these but not tried them personally:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00V9XS4V4/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_147_1/251-1648480-3081019
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Well I tried the Note 4 with my car's AUX input again.
As it turns out, if you plug in the audio cable from the phone to the car first, play a song, then plug in the charger, you don't hear any hiss. But if you stop and exit the music player, while the phone is charging, you can hear an electric sound, and even static when touching the screen.
Off: LG G6
,,...The device also features wireless charging and a Hi-Fi audio DAC, but unfortunately, these features are going to be region specific. So, while wireless charging will be available only in the US, the audio DAC will be limited to select markets in Asia. LG says that this is an informed decision based on consumer wants and needs in each particular region. For example, the demand for wireless charging is quite high in the US, while it isn’t as important in other regions, such as South Korea...,,
..money is money.. HiFi Quad DAC in Asian .
The rest of the Snapdragon 821 plays music. Or the private import ..
Any thoughts on how to import? I am interested in the Hi-Res DAC Version as a replacement for my Pixel XL. Are there any downsides of using the Asian version in Europe like missing bands?
chortya said:
Any thoughts on how to import? I am interested in the Hi-Res DAC Version as a replacement for my Pixel XL. Are there any downsides of using the Asian version in Europe like missing bands?
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Who do you know that? But if you go out from the LG V20-, the Asian version of me in the middle of Europe is working well.
It might be ship-able from middle east like Dubai. Korean and Chinese manufacturers always launch them there earlier than the rest of Asian market (after their homeland launch of course).
If someone wants the dac in the US they should just go for the v20, I think the g6 looks nice but as far as features and functions go the v20 is superior. The 821 processor has very little performance difference from the 820 in the v20.
It's LG's sell out phone in my opinion it looks like LG is just going to follow other developers.
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Quick update from my side. I have recieved my LG G6 from Korea and I love the audio quality. Sounds slightly better then my DragonFly black.
Compared to the Pioneer XDP100R DAP I have also owned DAC applies to all sound not only native player.
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Seems like a lot of trouble to go through for a DAC that may downsample and not work correctly. LG still hasn't fixed the V20 DAC firmware, so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in this device either, especially if you only want it for the DAC. I would simply get a cheaper phone you can buy domestically and buy a small portable DAC that will actually work properly.