Now that we have root, what's the best way to mask wi-fi tether usage from t-mobile?
I know about the 'dun' trick to keep the speeds up, but is there currently a way to mask the usage all together?
Did you hear anything yet?
Bump @jet10985
Good luck, a while back T-mo published that they can tell if you are masking the tether provisions and was cancelling peoples unlimited plans who was doing this.
esjames said:
Good luck, a while back T-mo published that they can tell if you are masking the tether provisions and was cancelling peoples unlimited plans who was doing this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yikes.
Might just be a bluff tho. Not sure they can even know for sure if someone is doing that
Sheetzie03 said:
Yikes.
Might just be a bluff tho. Not sure they can even know for sure if someone is doing that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure if they can, but it's totally possible. If you take a packet capture from your Android device and compare it to a packet capture from the sort of device you'd tether (e.g. laptop), they'll look wildly different. But if you're just tethering another Android device, they probably couldn't tell without deep packet inspection, which aside from being creepy is probably too computationally expensive.
Related
Not necessarily whether its safe to use but...can Sprint see that Im using the built in tethering in any other way than looking at my data usage? I often tether with pda net but one day I tried the wifi hotspot on the device ad it worked well.
So, is there an additional charge for this service? Seeing as how Im on an unlimited data plan, they shouldnt judge whether Im tethering by data usage alone. Why I was wondering if they can tell or know if Im using the included Nexus S 4G tethering capability. I remember on the evo it would not initiate at all.
Thank you thank you
No additional charges. It's safe to use. It may be cut-off some point in the future though.
nowens0520 said:
No additional charges. It's safe to use. It may be cut-off some point in the future though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think it would be. Sprint signed a contract agreement in which they agree to this as well as other things such as servicing a rooted phone.
Hi, I searched for this but couldn't find anything. I'm wondering if it's possible to Bluetooth tether from my A2 to another phone (say Captivate). I saw a lot of info on how to tether to tablets, pc, and whatnot, but I couldn't find anything about tether between 2 phones.
I'm still in GB and not rooted. Thanks.
nahuelarg86 said:
Hi, I searched for this but couldn't find anything. I'm wondering if it's possible to Bluetooth tether from my A2 to another phone (say Captivate). I saw a lot of info on how to tether to tablets, pc, and whatnot, but I couldn't find anything about tether between 2 phones.
I'm still in GB and not rooted. Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We need a lot or more info.
Like what kind of Bluetooth tethering, Cell data, personal data sharing, perifferral sharing. All of these can be done over BT, but some require root and changes to the files both phones to make that possible. So please tell us exactly what you are after before we can be of more help here. The more data you can provide here, the better help we might be able to give.
jimbridgman said:
We need a lot or more info.
Like what kind of Bluetooth tethering, Cell data, personal data sharing, perifferral sharing. All of these can be done over BT, but some require root and changes to the files both phones to make that possible. So please tell us exactly what you are after before we can be of more help here. The more data you can provide here, the better help we might be able to give.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. I'm sorry for not putting more info. So, leaving technical stuff aside, basically, I want to give internet connection to my wife's phone. I have the A2 with a data plan, she has the captivate without a data plan, so she has to be in a wifi network to be able to connect. What I wanted is to be able to connect the phones over bluetooth and provide her with internet from my data plan, if we are out of the house.
nahuelarg86 said:
Thanks. I'm sorry for not putting more info. So, leaving technical stuff aside, basically, I want to give internet connection to my wife's phone. I have the A2 with a data plan, she has the captivate without a data plan, so she has to be in a wifi network to be able to connect. What I wanted is to be able to connect the phones over bluetooth and provide her with internet from my data plan, if we are out of the house.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You will need to root the Atrix 2 and do the following on the Atrix2 to share your data plan, but I would not do it over Bluetooth, I would do it over Wifi instead, as 1) Bluetooth is not secure and 2) Bluetooth can have speed issues with data transfer rates, as Bluetooth is not meant for steady data transfer.
If you do it over wifi, and follow the below link you will be able to use the internal wifi sharing on the phone in settings --> Wifi --> enable wifi hotspot or similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328588
jimbridgman said:
You will need to root the Atrix 2 and do the following on the Atrix2 to share your data plan, but I would not do it over Bluetooth, I would do it over Wifi instead, as 1) Bluetooth is not secure and 2) Bluetooth can have speed issues with data transfer rates, as Bluetooth is not meant for steady data transfer.
If you do it over wifi, and follow the below link you will be able to use the internal wifi sharing on the phone in settings --> Wifi --> enable wifi hotspot or similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328588
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you Jim. I did this before but I didn't want to use this method because I read that many people were being threatened by AT&T and that they were going to be charged for the hotspot service. I read that the bluetooth method is somewhat "legal" rather than disabling the entitlement check. My concern is mostly that I don't want to be charged by AT&T for this. I know people were worried because they had unlimited data plan. I just have the 2 gb plan, but still I wouldn't want to pay extra just for the tethering.
nahuelarg86 said:
Thank you Jim. I did this before but I didn't want to use this method because I read that many people were being threatened by AT&T and that they were going to be charged for the hotspot service. I read that the bluetooth method is somewhat "legal" rather than disabling the entitlement check. My concern is mostly that I don't want to be charged by AT&T for this. I know people were worried because they had unlimited data plan. I just have the 2 gb plan, but still I wouldn't want to pay extra just for the tethering.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you don't have the unlimited plan you have nothing to worry about. Those are the ONLY people that get those letters from AT&T, and you will have to share a good amount of data.
The Bluetooth sharing is also not legal, just that AT&T has not caught on to it yet, but it is not secure, if I was standing within 100 feet of you on the street, and you were sharing your data over Bluetooth, I could also "share" your data without you even noticing it, that is why the WiFi solution is preferable. I could also hack your WiFi connection, but it is much harder and not worth the time it will take with a phone to do so.
You will most likely not be targeted by AT&T since you have a set data plan, it is again ONLY people people on unlimited plans, and by the way I have an unlimited plan and I have been sharing my data with my tablet and laptops this way for YEARS, and have never gotten a letter about it. it depends how much data you use doing this with an unlimited plan ONLY.
I am real wary of sharing data over Bluetooth, as I personally have "hacked" Bluetooth connections like this in less than 3 seconds. Now I am not a typical person, since my job involves knowing these type of things, and how to protect my clients from things like this in their data centers, but again, I will highly push you away from Bluetooth unless you really know what you are doing and have the data security experience to know how to protect yourself.
jimbridgman said:
If you don't have the unlimited plan you have nothing to worry about. Those are the ONLY people that get those letters from AT&T, and you will have to share a good amount of data.
The Bluetooth sharing is also not legal, just that AT&T has not caught on to it yet, but it is not secure, if I was standing within 100 feet of you on the street, and you were sharing your data over Bluetooth, I could also "share" your data without you even noticing it, that is why the WiFi solution is preferable. I could also hack your WiFi connection, but it is much harder and not worth the time it will take with a phone to do so.
You will most likely not be targeted by AT&T since you have a set data plan, it is again ONLY people people on unlimited plans, and by the way I have an unlimited plan and I have been sharing my data with my tablet and laptops this way for YEARS, and have never gotten a letter about it. it depends how much data you use doing this with an unlimited plan ONLY.
I am real wary of sharing data over Bluetooth, as I personally have "hacked" Bluetooth connections like this in less than 3 seconds. Now I am not a typical person, since my job involves knowing these type of things, and how to protect my clients from things like this in their data centers, but again, I will highly push you away from Bluetooth unless you really know what you are doing and have the data security experience to know how to protect yourself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well Jim, thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out! I didn't know that the targeted people were the ones with unlimited plans only (which seems understandable since it could be exploited a lot). I think I'll go back to the wifi hot spot then.
Thanks again! :good:
nahuelarg86 said:
Well Jim, thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out! I didn't know that the targeted people were the ones with unlimited plans only (which seems understandable since it could be exploited a lot). I think I'll go back to the wifi hot spot then.
Thanks again! :good:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honestly, one thing you might do, just for the heck of it, is to put a poll asking people if they have an unlimited data plan and have gotten a letter or if they have a tiered plan and have gotten a letter about sharing their data. Or if they are on an unlimited plan and share data and have never gotten a letter, and also those on a tiered plan that share that have never gotten a letter.
That might help ease your mind a little because, that is a poll that has not been done here in the Atrix2 forum yet, and might help more people than just yourself who might also wonder this same thing.
Will do!
I know this is an annoying subject for some of you, but I haven't found clear answers on other threads. I am planing on tethering to Xbox Live and my Laptop. Is making a custom APN and deleting tether manager any good? Are there other and more effective ways? I am willing to take a risk and will stop if AT&T sends me a letter. I'm on CyanogenMod 10.
Thanks.
ArcriusOneX said:
I know this is an annoying subject for some of you, but I haven't found clear answers on other threads. I am planing on tethering to Xbox Live and my Laptop. Is making a custom APN and deleting tether manager any good? Are there other and more effective ways? I am willing to take a risk and will stop if AT&T sends me a letter. I'm on CyanogenMod 10.
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I could be wrong but I don't think there's any way to do that.
After doing some more research it seems some apps can kind of hide it but you will most likely get caught if not right away eventually
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
ArcriusOneX said:
I know this is an annoying subject for some of you, but I haven't found clear answers on other threads. I am planing on tethering to Xbox Live and my Laptop. Is making a custom APN and deleting tether manager any good? Are there other and more effective ways? I am willing to take a risk and will stop if AT&T sends me a letter. I'm on CyanogenMod 10.
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
regardless what you do, the amount of data that you will use doing what you listed is what will throw AT&T a red flag.
mikelebz said:
regardless what you do, the amount of data that you will use doing what you listed is what will throw AT&T a red flag.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah that's what I thought. Huge red flag.
Thanks
Tethering xbox? I can see AT&T being all over that. Laptop i think is doable but again have to limit it to general surfing and emailing any heavy duty data usage like streaming movies will again be a red flag.
Red flags usually due to usage in a particular sitting.
If you thether intermittently should be ok.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium
Tethering guard is not a "tether police" app. It just controls tethering. Delete it and you won't be able to tether at all.
The only way to avoid getting caught tethering is to stay below AT&T's radar screen. That means keeping your data usage under control and not connecting to red flag sites like Windows update and, yes, Xbox Live.
If AT&T decides to check, there are numerous ways they can tell you're tethering, and once you're caught, the jig is up. They'll put you on a tethering plan if you keep doing it. There are no apps that are able to reliably hide tethering because there is evidence of it outside your phone.
There is some evidence they devote extra attention if you happen to have a grandfathered unlimited data plan.
I pirated tethering for years on my iPhones and One X and never got caught. I only tethered my MBP and was religious about limiting my data.
to allow native tethering on stock at&t rom all you do is a little sql editing of telephony.db which takes like 10 seconds. as far as detecting tethering im sure it depends on your area. i haven't ran into any problems tethering though. i don't understand why at&t would care since they already screw the people with unlimited anyways where after 5GB of data they throttle you to 500kbps, or that is what they do in my area.
DvineLord said:
as far as detecting tethering im sure it depends on your area. i haven't ran into any problems tethering though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The exact parameters by which AT&T is monitoring/policing for tethering seems to be unknown any anyone but AT&T insiders. It also seems to be a bit random. There have been reports by at least a couple folks on here that swear that they never even tethered, but got the SMS warning from AT&T that they were caught tethering, and any further tethering would result in being forcibly changed to a plan that allows tethering. While other folks use it occasionally and have never been caught.
The amount of usage is almost certainly a factor, so using it regularly for X-Box is probably not a good idea. The theory proposed by folks here, is that when certain red flags are raised by network usage, your traffic will be more close scrutinized, and the data packets examined for evidence of tethering. The checks are probably all network based, so changing anything on the phone will probably not help.
Personally, I use it only occasionally, for very limited time periods and data amounts, and have never been caught. Most often while traveling such as when a hotel WiFi is not available, crappy signal, or carries an excessive extra cost.
I know there are other posts that ask that question but nothing recent. So...
Here is what I have:
Verizon - w/unlimited data
HTC Rezound - unlocked, rooted, ROM'd, NO S-off
The Portable Wi-Fi hotspot function of my phone is working flawlessly right now. That is very important. I would appreciate any suggestions for a new phone. It doesn't have to be something currently out. It could be something coming down the road.
There are three requirements:
I must be able to enable the Portable Wi-Fi hotspot, and (able to enable, funny)
Acquiring this phone must not affect my unlimited data plan at Verizon, and
It must an Android phone
If anyone has recommendations concerning upgrading your phone at Verizon without jeopardizing an unlimited plan please add that as well.
Thank you in advance for reading my request.
sweet6s said:
I know there are other posts that ask that question but nothing recent. So...
Here is what I have:
Verizon - w/unlimited data
HTC Rezound - unlocked, rooted, ROM'd, NO S-off
The Portable Wi-Fi hotspot function of my phone is working flawlessly right now. That is very important. I would appreciate any suggestions for a new phone. It doesn't have to be something currently out. It could be something coming down the road.
There are three requirements:
I must be able to enable the Portable Wi-Fi hotspot, and (able to enable, funny)
Acquiring this phone must not affect my unlimited data plan at Verizon, and
It must an Android phone
If anyone has recommendations concerning upgrading your phone at Verizon without jeopardizing an unlimited plan please add that as well.
Thank you in advance for reading my request.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
your budget?
i dont think verizon does unlimited plans anymore. but if your fine with rooting a phone that your going to use for phone purposes you can wifi tether for free i think any phone would be fine for you, gonna be maybe a little more specific on what you want. i mean like screen size, battery life, Cpu.
pradeepxtremehacker said:
your budget?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh, pretty much what ever it n3eeds to be. You know how it is. If it has to be had then I'll get it. Thanks...
Trozzul said:
i dont think verizon does unlimited plans anymore. but if your fine with rooting a phone that your going to use for phone purposes you can wifi tether for free i think any phone would be fine for you, gonna be maybe a little more specific on what you want. i mean like screen size, battery life, Cpu.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have an unlimited data plan. I am grandfathered in to it. Believe me, they would love to get that from me (and everyone else that has one). It's a matter of being very careful about what changes are made to your plan or phone as they are always looking for a way to screw ya out of it.
So, the requirements I mentioned above are still good. I need a new phone that I can root and enable the native Portable Wi-Fi hotspot so as to utilize my unlimited data plan. And, beyond that, if you or anyone else has any inside information, a new phone that wont require me to change my plan or otherwise jeopardize my current plan with unlimited data.
As for budget, it doesn't really matter. I can get what I need to get.
Thanks for the post...
sweet6s said:
I have an unlimited data plan. I am grandfathered in to it. Believe me, they would love to get that from me (and everyone else that has one). It's a matter of being very careful about what changes are made to your plan or phone as they are always looking for a way to screw ya out of it.
So, the requirements I mentioned above are still good. I need a new phone that I can root and enable the native Portable Wi-Fi hotspot so as to utilize my unlimited data plan. And, beyond that, if you or anyone else has any inside information, a new phone that wont require me to change my plan or otherwise jeopardize my current plan with unlimited data.
As for budget, it doesn't really matter. I can get what I need to get.
Thanks for the post...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hmmm you might have to do a bunch of research into it then.
I just was in a similar situation...I went with an HTC one from Tmobile even though Im on ATT...covers mostly all the networks (I travel internationally a fair amount), once you unlock it and is easy to root. No complaints so far
So Ive done some searching and since Verizons new unlimited plan is only about 5 days old Im stuck sifting through 100s of grandfathered unlimited plan posts searching for hotspot hacks. That being said heres my scenario.
My house is rural, I wouldnt consider it rural but apparently Im rural enough for the utility companies to find it rural. Never thought 2 miles off a major highway would constitute that but anyways. This means Im in a situation a lot of people are in. I like my privacy, IE owning property and not being on top of my neighbors, but I also grew up tech savvy and playing games. Im heavily dependent on the internet and like my MMORPGs... Im never expecting to replace my satellite TV with streaming for the record.
Im trying to find my best internet option. Ive been through the gambit here... Hughes net, Excede, and now on to a local fixed wireless provider. Im semi satisfied with my fixed internet provider and its been the best of the 3 but Im still stuck at 4g speeds although no data cap. My biggest issue is varying speed with them and Ive taken this concern up with them a couple times but Ive never been provided with a real solution. I was fed a BS answer of "maybe try having less things wifi'd". Im signed up for 5-7mbps with no data cap at the moment for $75 a month. If I received a steady signal I would be very happy with that. Sure its not great for heavy internet browsing but playing an MMO it would be great. But then it happens, I get .5mbs down randomly and a 400ms ping...
Ok so sorry for the long back story. My biggest concerns here are hitting a consistent connection with a moderate data cap. What Im looking into doing is adding a hotspot and upgrading my verizon plan to the new unlimited with an exterior 4g lte cell amplifier. 1 mile away as the crow flys I get 50mbps down and 70 ping on the highway on my phone...
So Im curious if there's any hack or mod to beat out these stupid 10 gig 4g lte speed caps they've placed on the hotspots? Or maybe theres a better combination of hardware I could use here that would be blind to verizon?
If theres a better section or even a forum out there more oriented towards what Im trying to do?
Thanks
stomis said:
So Ive done some searching and since Verizons new unlimited plan is only about 5 days old Im stuck sifting through 100s of grandfathered unlimited plan posts searching for hotspot hacks. That being said heres my scenario.
My house is rural, I wouldnt consider it rural but apparently Im rural enough for the utility companies to find it rural. Never thought 2 miles off a major highway would constitute that but anyways. This means Im in a situation a lot of people are in. I like my privacy, IE owning property and not being on top of my neighbors, but I also grew up tech savvy and playing games. Im heavily dependent on the internet and like my MMORPGs... Im never expecting to replace my satellite TV with streaming for the record.
Im trying to find my best internet option. Ive been through the gambit here... Hughes net, Excede, and now on to a local fixed wireless provider. Im semi satisfied with my fixed internet provider and its been the best of the 3 but Im still stuck at 4g speeds although no data cap. My biggest issue is varying speed with them and Ive taken this concern up with them a couple times but Ive never been provided with a real solution. I was fed a BS answer of "maybe try having less things wifi'd". Im signed up for 5-7mbps with no data cap at the moment for $75 a month. If I received a steady signal I would be very happy with that. Sure its not great for heavy internet browsing but playing an MMO it would be great. But then it happens, I get .5mbs down randomly and a 400ms ping...
Ok so sorry for the long back story. My biggest concerns here are hitting a consistent connection with a moderate data cap. What Im looking into doing is adding a hotspot and upgrading my verizon plan to the new unlimited with an exterior 4g lte cell amplifier. 1 mile away as the crow flys I get 50mbps down and 70 ping on the highway on my phone...
So Im curious if there's any hack or mod to beat out these stupid 10 gig 4g lte speed caps they've placed on the hotspots? Or maybe theres a better combination of hardware I could use here that would be blind to verizon?
If theres a better section or even a forum out there more oriented towards what Im trying to do?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is no way to hack your data limit or data speed, that's all controlled on the network, not on the device.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Droidriven said:
There is no way to hack your data limit or data speed, that's all controlled on the network, not on the device.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I kind of figured that. Maybe I worded this poorly. What I'm curious is if there's some sort of way to mask the tethering. Like if I purchase my own 4G LTE modem and then transfer a sum card from an existing unlimited device into the modem, is verizon going to know to cap my data at a 10gb tether or are they simply going to think it's still a tablet and give me 22gb full speed? And I guess the second question would be is there something I can manipulate on my end to "fool" what type of device is connected kind of like how people used to tether the grandfathered phones by swapping the SIM cards and editing some network configuration in the phone?
stomis said:
I kind of figured that. Maybe I worded this poorly. What I'm curious is if there's some sort of way to mask the tethering. Like if I purchase my own 4G LTE modem and then transfer a sum card from an existing unlimited device into the modem, is verizon going to know to cap my data at a 10gb tether or are they simply going to think it's still a tablet and give me 22gb full speed? And I guess the second question would be is there something I can manipulate on my end to "fool" what type of device is connected kind of like how people used to tether the grandfathered phones by swapping the SIM cards and editing some network configuration in the phone?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, with those questions, it isn't whether or not it can or can't be done. It's a matter of XDA not allowing this kind of discussion. We can discuss "how" to tether, but we can't discuss cheating the system, your limit is your limit, and your plan is your plan on the device you get the plan on, that's it.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Droidriven said:
There is no way to hack your data limit or data speed, that's all controlled on the network, not on the device.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Droidriven said:
Well, with those questions, it isn't whether or not it can or can't be done. It's a matter of XDA not allowing this kind of discussion. We can discuss "how" to tether, but we can't discuss cheating the system, your limit is your limit, and your plan is your plan on the device you get the plan on, that's it.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Although I don't understand how this is any different than bypassing the tethering ban back in the day I'll leave it at that and say ok, thanks for your help.
stomis said:
Although I don't understand how this is any different than bypassing the tethering ban back in the day I'll leave it at that and say ok, thanks for your help.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because it's a subject of splitting hairs.
It breaks down like this.
While enabling tethering on devices/plans that aren't supposed to have the option is frowned upon by the carriers, it is not illegal, nor does it exceed any preset data limits. Yes, you can tether when you aren't "supposed" to but it doesn't allow you to exceed your data limit, meaning, they lose no money. You're only using data that you've already paid for, you're just doing something they don't like by using that data in a different way.
On the other hand, when you get into hiding data to get more than the prescribed limit or faking which device they think it is, then they are losing money because you're cheating them by using more data than was paid for or by using a device that isn't approved for the plan.
On devices with unlimited plans, there is effectively no money "lost", you're just using more data than they expect for the average user, which can lead to them seeing it and throttling your data or even cutting you off completely.
It's all subjective, in other words, do what you want with the device itself but don't screw the network.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Droidriven said:
Because it's a subject of splitting hairs.
It breaks down like this.
While enabling tethering on devices/plans that aren't supposed to have the option is frowned upon by the carriers, it is not illegal, nor does it exceed any preset data limits. Yes, you can tether when you aren't "supposed" to but it doesn't allow you to exceed your data limit, meaning, they lose no money. You're only using data that you've already paid for, you're just doing something they don't like by using that data in a different way.
On the other hand, when you get into hiding data to get more than the prescribed limit or faking which device they think it is, then they are losing money because you're cheating them by using more data than was paid for or by using a device that isn't approved for the plan.
On devices with unlimited plans, there is effectively no money "lost", you're just using more data than they expect for the average user, which can lead to them seeing it and throttling your data or even cutting you off completely.
It's all subjective, in other words, do what you want with the device itself but don't screw the network.
Sent from my SM-S903VL using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Right. I'm really not trying to screw them. I just want my 22gb as they see fit on a device on my hotspot... I don't understand why devices are subject to better rules that the hotspot. If they have the bandwidth to bump me back to 4G LTE after I hit the cap then they shouls, not lock me down to 3g, over pribicple...