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[Q] AT&T Teathering...

So anyone understand what this article is talking about?
http://www.softwaredownloadsguide.com/2011/02/htc-inspire-4g-htc-inspire-4g-on-att-release-date/
Here is the part I am curious about:
AT&T will charge monthly data plans for the HTC Inspire 4G will price $15 for 200MB of data and $25 per month for 2GB data plan. Data can be use through Hotspot capacity from Datapro Tethering plan for the user data allowance. HTC Inspire 4G will be available on AT&T stores and online from 13th February at price $99.99 with two years contract.
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So does this mean that people with unlimited plans at $30 a month should be ok to tether their laptops via wifi?

No, you need a data pro plan with tethering. $45 for 4gb of data.

so i wonder if there will be a way around that cause i currently have a unlimited data plan and really don't want to pay for the tethering plan (have been using WMWifirouter for WM 6.5). Any ideas to help me out being a cheepskate!?

darkbluexplorer said:
so i wonder if there will be a way around that cause i currently have a unlimited data plan and really don't want to pay for the tethering plan (have been using WMWifirouter for WM 6.5). Any ideas to help me out being a cheepskate!?
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PDA.Net is an option since you have an unlimited plan.

once we get root (assuming we do) are there other tethering options (you will have to pardon me as i am still new to android). When i did searches there is some material on the subject but from what i understand the phone has to be rooted for these to work.

darkbluexplorer said:
once we get root (assuming we do) are there other wifi tethering options (you will have to pardon me as i am still new to android). When i did searches there is some material on the subject but from what i understand the phone has to be rooted for these to work.
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Yes once you root your phone you will have other options to choose from such as Android Wifi tether.

thanks.. now if the predictions continue at the same rate of what i continue to read the phone will be rooted before i ever get it home from the store

PDA.net is wired tethering, not a wifi hotspot

Ya I have the $30 unlimited data with AT&T. Using the HD2 Australian version (android OS) I am able to use the Wi-Fi Hotspot app, only problem is where I live they don't use 850 for 3G so I only have EDGE. I am really looking forward to what can be done with the Inspire, because having such an amazing phone kind of sucks with such slow data speeds.

This is something I am very interested in also. I am assuming the wifi tethering that ATT is talking about it the MobileAP that is already present on damn near every 2.2 rom. I heard that they are going to have a setting that will let ATT control whether your INSPIRE 4g will be able to use this feature. I am on the unlimited plan now with my craptivate and was just thinking about buying it off contract and dropping my sim in. does anyone think that this might be an issue?
My only worry is that ATT tries to screw you in almost every way possible if they think they can make more money off you. Technically we shouldn't have to pay for tethering IMHO we are already paying for the data why should it matter how or on what device we use it on??

laxwillsch said:
This is something I am very interested in also. I am assuming the wifi tethering that ATT is talking about it the MobileAP that is already present on damn near every 2.2 rom. I heard that they are going to have a setting that will let ATT control whether your INSPIRE 4g will be able to use this feature. I am on the unlimited plan now with my craptivate and was just thinking about buying it off contract and dropping my sim in. does anyone think that this might be an issue?
My only worry is that ATT tries to screw you in almost every way possible if they think they can make more money off you. Technically we shouldn't have to pay for tethering IMHO we are already paying for the data why should it matter how or on what device we use it on??
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I agree, although it seems like once they get it rooted we will be able to put our own tethering app on it and avoid having to pay for a ridiculous plan. I used WMWiFi Router on my incite and HTC's tethering on the windows mobile HD2 and now the WiFi Hotspot app on Android on the HD2 all on ATT with an unlimited data plan without tethering.

Best qHD Android Phone that does AT&T 3G & 4G, but isn't their device?

It seems that I'm in a catch 22. I'm on a great unlimited data plan, but AT&T insists that if I move to a Atrix or similar device that is recognized by their network, the network will automatically update my data plan to one of the newer ones. As a result, I won't just loose my unlimited data, but I'll have to pay more.
That leaves me only one obvious alternative. Get another non-network phone, that is capable of working on their network (much like my current phone, the Telus Motorola Milestone). That way, I get a newer device with the features I want, but they don't see the phone as an Atrix or whatever... and they don't change my plan.
Would REALLY like the Atrix. The qHD display is something I really want at this stage. Otherwise, a Galaxy S II would be a no-brainer. So I'm hoping with all the great users we have on these forums, someone can recommend a qHD Android 2.2+ device that I can buy unlocked and fits my needs.
Thanks in advance.

merkman said:
It seems that I'm in a catch 22. I'm on a great unlimited data plan, but AT&T insists that if I move to a Atrix or similar device that is recognized by their network, the network will automatically update my data plan to one of the newer ones. As a result, I won't just loose my unlimited data, but I'll have to pay more.
That leaves me only one obvious alternative. Get another non-network phone, that is capable of working on their network (much like my current phone, the Telus Motorola Milestone). That way, I get a newer device with the features I want, but they don't see the phone as an Atrix or whatever... and they don't change my plan.
Would REALLY like the Atrix. The qHD display is something I really want at this stage. Otherwise, a Galaxy S II would be a no-brainer. So I'm hoping with all the great users we have on these forums, someone can recommend a qHD Android 2.2+ device that I can buy unlocked and fits my needs.
Thanks in advance.
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Well, I'm a representative @ a corporate-owned AT&T store and you WILL NOT lose that unlimited data plan. I deal with this on a day-to-day basis. I'm in the Dallas,TX market. We GRANDFATHER the unlimited data plan. It is the NATIONAL policy. We hire the biggest idiots to run the pen. Bro, you keep that data plan unless YOU change it. Don't let them fool you. I PROMISE this is the case. You even have ways of sideloading the wireless tether apk to avoid having to subscribe to the tethering plan. The ATRIX is a great qHD phone. I've seen the GreyBlur and GingerBlur ROM for it. Snappy device with unlimited potential once development starts snowballing.

Bullet,
Thanks. I've spoken to several good people at AT&T, but the "hiccup" is this. When I joined AT&T, I had the $20/month unlimited data plan with the Cingular 8525 phone. But since then, we added unlimited texting to our family plan with 5 phones. At that point, my data plan dropped from $20/month to $10/month. The explination at the time was the unlimited texting was part of my data plan, so my data plan price decreased.
However, now everytime I speak to an AT&T representative and they look at my plan, they tell me I'm on plan OTHER than the standard unlimited smartphone plan. They called it something else last night, I can't remember which. So they say that if I put my sim in an AT&T smartphone, like the Atrix, the network will see I'm using an AT&T smartphone, and change my plan automatically. They say the network will poll my phone, and even if they change the plan back after it switches the first time, that before long it would switch again.
Since several users here have reported to using an Atrix and never having their plan changed, I'm not sure this is true. But maybe with my plan being changed without my knowledge in the past... maybe I AM doomed to change my plan unless I use another non-standard phone?
While my phone is personal, I've spoken to my corporate account mananger who I work with on a daily basis. We didn't get very far with a representative at a store last night, despite her knowing him well. He said the system will change it, and there is nothing we can do. But if anyone knows better, I'd sure appreciate their input.

Went ahead and looked up my plan online, so I could tell you the exact plan I'm using now. It's listed as "Data Unlimited for Non-Smartphones (Messaging Unlimited required)". Which is bogus, cause I never agreed to change my plan from the smartphone plan I had in the past. If it hadn't been working just fine with non-network smartphones the last 3+ years, I guess I'd have noticed it sooner.
So I guess if I don't wanna change my data plan, I'll have to use non-network device. Really sucks, cause I don't think there IS a non-AT&T qHD phone that will work on their network at the moment. Though I'd love to hear I'm wrong...

T mobile pyramid maybe?
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So the problem is not that you wont be able to keep your unlimited plan its that you're paying $10 a month for an unlimited plan and if you get a new phone you'll have to pay $30 a month. If that is the correct issue than what they are telling you at AT&T is correct. The plan you are on has been updated and you will have to change if you get a new phone. With that said... I would tell you just to go ahead and bite the bullet and pay the difference. You will pay less going to the more expensive data plan over 2 years then you would if you buy a phone no contract phone. But that's my opinion.

Why not just go with a carrier that actually offers unlimited to anyone without jumping through hoops?

thanks of your leading i was also facing the same problem in my phone but i hope now i will cover it and this is a good news which you have updated us and thanks to share with us
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the qhd display on the atrix uses pentile display technology. Which quite frankly sucks. I was really excited about it too, and expected the screen to look something like the iphone's retina display which is 960x640. But nope, it lacks major sharpness, and text and small pixels just look bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp6JgchXFtg&feature=player_embedded#at=64

VZW Data Charges : Root Access : Limited Data Package

just wondering if anyone that has a limited data package with verizon, is rooted and has any trouble from verizon finding out about the data usage... i'm on a limited plan and want to root... i used to be with sprint and unlimited data, so it was never an issue or even had a worry that crossed my mind... just want to be sure before i go through the trouble of rooting my phone...

i dont really understand what your asking here but im sure if you go over you allowed Data useage you will probably get overage charges just like if you went over minutes or text msgs.
i dont understand what rooting would have to do with any of it. rooted or not you would still get charged for going over your data allowance. rooting is just somthing you do to unlock the phone so you can get access to modify the software. it really doesnt have much to do with the network. all your Data/min/txt usage will be calculated the same regardless if your rooted or not.

that's exactly what i'm asking... even though rooting and unlocking features of the phone is there... will the carrier still pick up the data usuage even if i'm rooted... don't know if there's a "blind" in the software, where it would hide data usuage or not... reason i'm asking NOW rather than later on and being charged an arm and a leg for tethering...

to be honest i dont know how easily it would be from them to see if your tethering, using hotspot or whatever. im sure there is a way if they wanted to see badly enough. but its probably not worth their time to even look into unless your usage is creating issues on the network.
but regardless, i dont think there would be an easy way to "trick" their system into thinking your using less Data than you are. if thats what your getting at.
i mean you are pulling the data from the network. regardless what your phone says the usage will still get recorded...
i think what your asking goes way beyond rooting and whatnot. i would suggest using WiFi where available and or getting a plan with more Data. ether that or just go with whatever carrier has unlimited data in your area. i wouldnt expect anyone to publicly be able to help you with this as if there was a commonly known way to get around this and a lot of ppl were getting "free" Data... it would be fixed pretty fast dont you think?

I'm rooted and using Bean's ROM with a 10GB plan. Never had any problems with this phone, my Nexus, or my Bionic.
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TheBiles said:
I'm rooted and using Bean's ROM with a 10GB plan. Never had any problems with this phone, my Nexus, or my Bionic.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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I haven't tethered on my SGS3 since I've rooted it; I did tether on my Droid X. I have the grandfathered unlimited plan and I only did it sparingly and didn't have any troubles with VZW. In the height of the DX days P3Droid once mentioned that VZW knew who was rooted and tethered and would knock them off their unlimited data plan. I can't say I've ever seen a post from someone saying that they lost their data plan, but his tip on this kept me from tethering too much. Honestly, I'm still a bit afraid to do it now since I don't want to loose unlimited data. Since you're not on the grandfathered plan I wouldn't worry about that too much.
My suggestion is that if you do tether is that you keep it on the DL, yo. Don't go blasting though gigs of data torrenting crap, etc. Just be warned that if you do stuff that is obviously a network drain they'll spot it and "fix it".

damn... makes me wish i would've switched over a long time ago... =\ oh well...
only thing i ever used to tether was my playstation... i did play it a lot though... lol... thanks for the info though guys... much appreciated... and hopefully this thread will answer others questions in the future...

Not sure which plan you have but if you're on their new share everything plans then hotspot is included, they don't charge any extra

It sounds like he's asking either if there's a way to hide your data usage from Verizon, or if rooting and installing a ROM hides your usage by default. I've never heard of a way to hide your usage from Verizon.

geoff5093 said:
It sounds like he's asking either if there's a way to hide your data usage from Verizon, or if rooting and installing a ROM hides your usage by default. I've never heard of a way to hide your usage from Verizon.
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yup... didn't know if rooting your phone would hide data usage or not... wasn't sure since i used to be with sprint unlimited data and i never got detailed bills...
but i see now that rooting only unlocks the feature of the phone itself... thanks again guys... :good:

It is a fact that you can not hide the usage but you can hide the fact that your tethering through certain apps.

Bluetooth tether between two phones

Hi, I searched for this but couldn't find anything. I'm wondering if it's possible to Bluetooth tether from my A2 to another phone (say Captivate). I saw a lot of info on how to tether to tablets, pc, and whatnot, but I couldn't find anything about tether between 2 phones.
I'm still in GB and not rooted. Thanks.

nahuelarg86 said:
Hi, I searched for this but couldn't find anything. I'm wondering if it's possible to Bluetooth tether from my A2 to another phone (say Captivate). I saw a lot of info on how to tether to tablets, pc, and whatnot, but I couldn't find anything about tether between 2 phones.
I'm still in GB and not rooted. Thanks.
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We need a lot or more info.
Like what kind of Bluetooth tethering, Cell data, personal data sharing, perifferral sharing. All of these can be done over BT, but some require root and changes to the files both phones to make that possible. So please tell us exactly what you are after before we can be of more help here. The more data you can provide here, the better help we might be able to give.

jimbridgman said:
We need a lot or more info.
Like what kind of Bluetooth tethering, Cell data, personal data sharing, perifferral sharing. All of these can be done over BT, but some require root and changes to the files both phones to make that possible. So please tell us exactly what you are after before we can be of more help here. The more data you can provide here, the better help we might be able to give.
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Thanks. I'm sorry for not putting more info. So, leaving technical stuff aside, basically, I want to give internet connection to my wife's phone. I have the A2 with a data plan, she has the captivate without a data plan, so she has to be in a wifi network to be able to connect. What I wanted is to be able to connect the phones over bluetooth and provide her with internet from my data plan, if we are out of the house.

nahuelarg86 said:
Thanks. I'm sorry for not putting more info. So, leaving technical stuff aside, basically, I want to give internet connection to my wife's phone. I have the A2 with a data plan, she has the captivate without a data plan, so she has to be in a wifi network to be able to connect. What I wanted is to be able to connect the phones over bluetooth and provide her with internet from my data plan, if we are out of the house.
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You will need to root the Atrix 2 and do the following on the Atrix2 to share your data plan, but I would not do it over Bluetooth, I would do it over Wifi instead, as 1) Bluetooth is not secure and 2) Bluetooth can have speed issues with data transfer rates, as Bluetooth is not meant for steady data transfer.
If you do it over wifi, and follow the below link you will be able to use the internal wifi sharing on the phone in settings --> Wifi --> enable wifi hotspot or similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328588

jimbridgman said:
You will need to root the Atrix 2 and do the following on the Atrix2 to share your data plan, but I would not do it over Bluetooth, I would do it over Wifi instead, as 1) Bluetooth is not secure and 2) Bluetooth can have speed issues with data transfer rates, as Bluetooth is not meant for steady data transfer.
If you do it over wifi, and follow the below link you will be able to use the internal wifi sharing on the phone in settings --> Wifi --> enable wifi hotspot or similar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328588
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Thank you Jim. I did this before but I didn't want to use this method because I read that many people were being threatened by AT&T and that they were going to be charged for the hotspot service. I read that the bluetooth method is somewhat "legal" rather than disabling the entitlement check. My concern is mostly that I don't want to be charged by AT&T for this. I know people were worried because they had unlimited data plan. I just have the 2 gb plan, but still I wouldn't want to pay extra just for the tethering.

nahuelarg86 said:
Thank you Jim. I did this before but I didn't want to use this method because I read that many people were being threatened by AT&T and that they were going to be charged for the hotspot service. I read that the bluetooth method is somewhat "legal" rather than disabling the entitlement check. My concern is mostly that I don't want to be charged by AT&T for this. I know people were worried because they had unlimited data plan. I just have the 2 gb plan, but still I wouldn't want to pay extra just for the tethering.
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If you don't have the unlimited plan you have nothing to worry about. Those are the ONLY people that get those letters from AT&T, and you will have to share a good amount of data.
The Bluetooth sharing is also not legal, just that AT&T has not caught on to it yet, but it is not secure, if I was standing within 100 feet of you on the street, and you were sharing your data over Bluetooth, I could also "share" your data without you even noticing it, that is why the WiFi solution is preferable. I could also hack your WiFi connection, but it is much harder and not worth the time it will take with a phone to do so.
You will most likely not be targeted by AT&T since you have a set data plan, it is again ONLY people people on unlimited plans, and by the way I have an unlimited plan and I have been sharing my data with my tablet and laptops this way for YEARS, and have never gotten a letter about it. it depends how much data you use doing this with an unlimited plan ONLY.
I am real wary of sharing data over Bluetooth, as I personally have "hacked" Bluetooth connections like this in less than 3 seconds. Now I am not a typical person, since my job involves knowing these type of things, and how to protect my clients from things like this in their data centers, but again, I will highly push you away from Bluetooth unless you really know what you are doing and have the data security experience to know how to protect yourself.

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If you don't have the unlimited plan you have nothing to worry about. Those are the ONLY people that get those letters from AT&T, and you will have to share a good amount of data.
The Bluetooth sharing is also not legal, just that AT&T has not caught on to it yet, but it is not secure, if I was standing within 100 feet of you on the street, and you were sharing your data over Bluetooth, I could also "share" your data without you even noticing it, that is why the WiFi solution is preferable. I could also hack your WiFi connection, but it is much harder and not worth the time it will take with a phone to do so.
You will most likely not be targeted by AT&T since you have a set data plan, it is again ONLY people people on unlimited plans, and by the way I have an unlimited plan and I have been sharing my data with my tablet and laptops this way for YEARS, and have never gotten a letter about it. it depends how much data you use doing this with an unlimited plan ONLY.
I am real wary of sharing data over Bluetooth, as I personally have "hacked" Bluetooth connections like this in less than 3 seconds. Now I am not a typical person, since my job involves knowing these type of things, and how to protect my clients from things like this in their data centers, but again, I will highly push you away from Bluetooth unless you really know what you are doing and have the data security experience to know how to protect yourself.
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Well Jim, thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out! I didn't know that the targeted people were the ones with unlimited plans only (which seems understandable since it could be exploited a lot). I think I'll go back to the wifi hot spot then.
Thanks again! :good:

nahuelarg86 said:
Well Jim, thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out! I didn't know that the targeted people were the ones with unlimited plans only (which seems understandable since it could be exploited a lot). I think I'll go back to the wifi hot spot then.
Thanks again! :good:
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Honestly, one thing you might do, just for the heck of it, is to put a poll asking people if they have an unlimited data plan and have gotten a letter or if they have a tiered plan and have gotten a letter about sharing their data. Or if they are on an unlimited plan and share data and have never gotten a letter, and also those on a tiered plan that share that have never gotten a letter.
That might help ease your mind a little because, that is a poll that has not been done here in the Atrix2 forum yet, and might help more people than just yourself who might also wonder this same thing.

Will do!

[Q] Tethering an Unlocked at&t One X with T-mobile Sim Card

Hi everyone. I have an issue with my unlocked AT&T HTC One X. It's unlocked in the sense that I am using a T-Mobile plan and SIM. I found out recently that the bootloader was not unlocked and it was not rooted so I rooted and unlocked the bootloader last night. The only thing I'm yet to do is S-off. The problem I'm having is that I can't tether even though I am getting data using an APN setting T-Mobile gave me. I rooted mainly to be able to tether the data plan so it's kind of frustrating. I was however able to use the clockworkmod tether and it works, however, that is a USB tether. I've tried several wireless tether apps that don't seem to work. Help will really be appreciated. Thanks.

This seems to be a popular topic lately (WiFi hotspot not working on stock AT&T ROM).
The bootloader is not the problem. The issue is that the stock AT&T ROM intentionally blocks the use of tethering and WiFi hotspot unless you pay for an AT&T tethering enabled plan. Of course, since you are not on AT&T, that isn't possible.
Since you are already bootloader unlocked, IMO the best solution is to install TWRP custom recovery (if you haven't already) and just install any stock rooted or custom ROM that is not AT&T based. Any stock or custom Sense ROM has the stock HTC WiFi hotspot fully functional.

As redpoint said just install TWRP and install a custom Sense ROM. You'll find detailed instructions in my How-To Guide For Beginners thread, link in my signature.
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Arrrrrrrgh! Pirates we be!
Anyway, does anyone actually know anything concerning the legality of tethering without and "official" tethering plan? Is there really a law or do they just cling to their software blocks assuming most people aren't awesome like us?
Feels like I recall a "threatening" email from att regarding my excessive data usage
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I highly doubt there's a specific law as such, but it's within your contract with at&t and you're technically obliged to abide by the terms and conditions within the contract.
I personally think it's criminal of the north American carriers to do that, there's no way you'd catch an Australian carrier trying that.
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aaron.a said:
Arrrrrrrgh! Pirates we be!
Anyway, does anyone actually know anything concerning the legality of tethering without and "official" tethering plan? Is there really a law or do they just cling to their software blocks assuming most people aren't awesome like us?
Feels like I recall a "threatening" email from att regarding my excessive data usage
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I assume you are referring to AT&T blocking or allowing the use of tethering (the OP of this thread is not on AT&T).
There doesn't need to be a law for this, its not like AT&T will have you thrown in jail or sue you. But its their network, and they get to decide how its used. Read the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up for service, and you will see that it specifically addresses tethering, and that you need to have a tethering data plan in order to do so. Violate these terms, and AT&T has the right to add a tethering plan to your account, or terminate your account.
They can tell on the network end that you are tethering. Enforcement is not 100%, and nobody except probably AT&T themselves knows how they enforce. But its likely that if your tethering is high volume and frequent, you will be caught. The first violation they give a warning (forget if it comes by text, email, or snail mail). Second time you are caught, they will add a tethering plan to your account.
I tether very infrequently, but sometimes use it to just download/upload work email when I am travelling and working in a location that does not have internet connectivity. I've been doing this for years, and have never been caught. But my tethering usage is quite low. Also, their detection is likely not related to my non-tethering usage, as I've often used 3 to 4 GB a month non-tethering (on an unlimited data plan). So they are not looking exclusively for high usage, but rather a combination of behaviors.
Bottom line, stay off the radar and you can tether occasionally. Tether frequently and high volume, and you will get caught, its just a matter of time. And if you are a pirate, you know how to stay off the radar, right?

redpoint73 said:
And if you are a pirate, you know how to stay off the radar, right?
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Peerblock for Android?
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Peerblock for Android?
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Lol no peer block won't work. They can just tell but it seems with the unlimited data plans gone tethering isn't to big an issue. A lot of plans come with it now and if you are using up data its a win win for them. What's jacked is some other carriers block you using your PC internet via USB to device. Its kinda crazy cause its really the same as WiFi lol.
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