Hi everyone. I have an issue with my unlocked AT&T HTC One X. It's unlocked in the sense that I am using a T-Mobile plan and SIM. I found out recently that the bootloader was not unlocked and it was not rooted so I rooted and unlocked the bootloader last night. The only thing I'm yet to do is S-off. The problem I'm having is that I can't tether even though I am getting data using an APN setting T-Mobile gave me. I rooted mainly to be able to tether the data plan so it's kind of frustrating. I was however able to use the clockworkmod tether and it works, however, that is a USB tether. I've tried several wireless tether apps that don't seem to work. Help will really be appreciated. Thanks.
This seems to be a popular topic lately (WiFi hotspot not working on stock AT&T ROM).
The bootloader is not the problem. The issue is that the stock AT&T ROM intentionally blocks the use of tethering and WiFi hotspot unless you pay for an AT&T tethering enabled plan. Of course, since you are not on AT&T, that isn't possible.
Since you are already bootloader unlocked, IMO the best solution is to install TWRP custom recovery (if you haven't already) and just install any stock rooted or custom ROM that is not AT&T based. Any stock or custom Sense ROM has the stock HTC WiFi hotspot fully functional.
As redpoint said just install TWRP and install a custom Sense ROM. You'll find detailed instructions in my How-To Guide For Beginners thread, link in my signature.
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Arrrrrrrgh! Pirates we be!
Anyway, does anyone actually know anything concerning the legality of tethering without and "official" tethering plan? Is there really a law or do they just cling to their software blocks assuming most people aren't awesome like us?
Feels like I recall a "threatening" email from att regarding my excessive data usage
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I highly doubt there's a specific law as such, but it's within your contract with at&t and you're technically obliged to abide by the terms and conditions within the contract.
I personally think it's criminal of the north American carriers to do that, there's no way you'd catch an Australian carrier trying that.
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aaron.a said:
Arrrrrrrgh! Pirates we be!
Anyway, does anyone actually know anything concerning the legality of tethering without and "official" tethering plan? Is there really a law or do they just cling to their software blocks assuming most people aren't awesome like us?
Feels like I recall a "threatening" email from att regarding my excessive data usage
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I assume you are referring to AT&T blocking or allowing the use of tethering (the OP of this thread is not on AT&T).
There doesn't need to be a law for this, its not like AT&T will have you thrown in jail or sue you. But its their network, and they get to decide how its used. Read the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up for service, and you will see that it specifically addresses tethering, and that you need to have a tethering data plan in order to do so. Violate these terms, and AT&T has the right to add a tethering plan to your account, or terminate your account.
They can tell on the network end that you are tethering. Enforcement is not 100%, and nobody except probably AT&T themselves knows how they enforce. But its likely that if your tethering is high volume and frequent, you will be caught. The first violation they give a warning (forget if it comes by text, email, or snail mail). Second time you are caught, they will add a tethering plan to your account.
I tether very infrequently, but sometimes use it to just download/upload work email when I am travelling and working in a location that does not have internet connectivity. I've been doing this for years, and have never been caught. But my tethering usage is quite low. Also, their detection is likely not related to my non-tethering usage, as I've often used 3 to 4 GB a month non-tethering (on an unlimited data plan). So they are not looking exclusively for high usage, but rather a combination of behaviors.
Bottom line, stay off the radar and you can tether occasionally. Tether frequently and high volume, and you will get caught, its just a matter of time. And if you are a pirate, you know how to stay off the radar, right?
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And if you are a pirate, you know how to stay off the radar, right?
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Peerblock for Android?
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Peerblock for Android?
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Lol no peer block won't work. They can just tell but it seems with the unlimited data plans gone tethering isn't to big an issue. A lot of plans come with it now and if you are using up data its a win win for them. What's jacked is some other carriers block you using your PC internet via USB to device. Its kinda crazy cause its really the same as WiFi lol.
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Ok - so i have a Rooted MTS3G with CyanogenMod7 and tethering with easy-tether & pdanet is FREE (i dont pay for it).....
Im ready to take the plunge and upgrade to the MTS4G (4G slide) -- but want to make sure that im not going to get charged by tmobile for using these two apps to tether. I refuse to pay tmobile for tethering when i have unlimited data....
What steps to i need to do this - obviously i will need to root the new 4G slide but -- just want to be guaranteed i wont be charged - as i frequently use tethering. I know there is no cyanogenmod7 for MTS4G - i was planning on using undead's rom so i still have full camera functionality. Is there any other thing that i need to take into account regarding the tethering issue?
No.
The only way you'd ever get charged is by using the official T-Mobile app, that requires the monthly activation fee to use.
Now, having said that, I know that on other carriers people using rooted tethering apps have gotten nasty calls/notices from the carrier saying something like "we notice you're using a lot of data, it appears that you are tethering, please pay us." But there is no way for them to actually know that tethering is happening.
If you root, and use 3rd party, or android, wifi tethering apps, you are in the clear.
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But there is no way for them to actually know that tethering is happening.
If you root, and use 3rd party, or android, wifi tethering apps, you are in the clear.
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I wouldn't go *that* far -- they would just have a heckuva time trying to PROVE it should you dispute their assertion.
cool, thanks for the heads up. was reviewing tmobile site and they charge extra for tethering and i didnt want that, but know that they (tmobile) is aware people are trying to circumvent paying for tethering so wanted to see if i needed special ROM or if like you said - that i just should use 3rd party apps on my MTS4G. Just dont need drama, as i tether a lot - (mostly via usb). But thanks both of you for the info
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I wouldn't go *that* far -- they would just have a heckuva time trying to PROVE it should you dispute their assertion.
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There are a number of ways to look for tethering. Something as simple as checking the browser header ID sent over unencrypted sessions and seeing if it matches a desktop browser would work. If your provider wants to monitor if you are tethering, they can unless you use a vpn.
Also, you seem to believe that they need to prove anything to you. They are free, per the contract you sign when you start service, to monitor their network for anything they deem "excessive impacting usage" and terminate your service at will. T-Mobile is the only US carrier that currently doesn't enforce a tethering plan to tether.
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They are free, per the contract you sign when you start service, to monitor their network for anything they deem "excessive impacting usage" and terminate your service at will.
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That's the key word -- excessive. As long as people keep it reasonable it shouldn't be a problem.
If someone is looking for a "I don't want to get caught at all or get in trouble" then the answer is don't tether -- carrier forbids it.
But practically speaking, it's very low risk if you root, use a non-TMO tether app, and don't abuse.
I was under the impression that Verizon would automatically add a tethering package to our monthly bill if they caught us tethering.
I know that's not the case with the new share everything data plans, but I'm on grandfathered unlimited, as I'm assuming most of us are at this point.
But I keep seeing ROMs talking about wifi tethering and whatnot...
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I was under the impression that Verizon would automatically add a tethering package to our monthly bill if they caught us tethering...
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I have NEVER once heard of this actually happening to anybody.
I use the free wireless tethering app myself, but I only use it when I have no other option & even then only sparingly.
I see people posting here that they use 100 gigs a month etc (which is impossible to do with normal phone use), but I really don't want to give VZ any excuse to take away my unlimited data package for a TOS violation. You know once they screw you out of that data package, you're not getting it back under ANY circumstance.
No, i dont think they could sign you up for tethering without your consent. If you do want to tether, check out the Synergy rom, its built right in.
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No, i dont think they could sign you up for tethering without your consent. If you do want to tether, check out the Synergy rom, its built right in.
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I heard AT&T did that to people.
That's the ROM I use for my daily driver, and the reason I posted this question, actually. I'm afraid to use the tethering in case I get a TOS violation.
I tethered two or three times a couple years ago on my HTC Droid Eris, before carriers caught-on to tethering, but I haven't since it came up in tech news about a year ago.
Don't use a massive amount of data, use a VPN (might throw them off, who nows, doubt it), don't worry about it. I tether frequently, so does my dad, and it's never, ever been a problem.
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Don't use a massive amount of data, .
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I think that's probably the key right there.
If/when VZ ever starts cracking down on TOS violations the DB's using 100 gigs a month will be the first ones to go (& you know they will be screaming like crazy after VZ makes an example out of them)
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I heard AT&T did that to people.
That's the ROM I use for my daily driver, and the reason I posted this question, actually. I'm afraid to use the tethering in case I get a TOS violation.
I tethered two or three times a couple years ago on my HTC Droid Eris, before carriers caught-on to tethering, but I haven't since it came up in tech news about a year ago.
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They did with iPhone people yes. Verizon has never done so that I have ever heard.
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Tried to ask this in the general forums and didn't get an answer, wondering f you guys could help. Got an s3 to keep my unlimited data. Reading it says that Verizon can tell if you tethering to a computer due to TTL packets. I don't know much about networking but reading it says that windows computers while tethering push a value of 124 or 128 packets unless configured while android devices have a value of 64. The thing is I never tether to my computer only my tablet. So can I safely go nuts tethering to my tablet as if it was my phone due to it looking like I'm using my phone or am I way off and can Verizon tell I'm tethering and using my tablet. I really just want tot tether the hell out f my tablet when I need it. Anyways as this is XDA can I hide it safely? I have an unlimited data plan so the whole OK to tether thing since that lawsuit doesn't apply to me with this.
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Tried to ask this in the general forums and didn't get an answer, wondering f you guys could help. Got an s3 to keep my unlimited data. Reading it says that Verizon can tell if you tethering to a computer due to TTL packets. I don't know much about networking but reading it says that windows computers while tethering push a value of 124 or 128 packets unless configured while android devices have a value of 64. The thing is I never tether to my computer only my tablet.
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I don't know about the packet size issue you mentioned.
Otherwise, I have read that if*your Verizon tethering indicator turns on or your usage suddenly goes quite high for a month or more, they might suspect you of tethering without a plan and look into it. It's also said that apps like PDAnet make it very difficult for the service provider to figure out if you are tethering or not - regardless of what you're connected to.
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VZW can no longer block tethering on 4g phones. Due to FCC saying so. Simple Google search will fond multiple articles.
There is no restrictions on unlimited versus tiered data plan. What counts is that you have a 4g phone. Check out this article ans the tether away.
http://www.zdnet.com/let-my-wi-fi-go-fcc-rules-verizon-cant-charge-for-wi-fi-tethering-7000001916/
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I've read differently. It sounds like if you have an unlimited data plan you can only use that data plan for a single device meaning that you can't tether the unlimited data. I read multiple places that this is part of the terms of service and it doesn't apply to unlimited data plan users... M
aybe somebody can clarify this for me because it would be great to use my unlimited data for tethering when on vacations.
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Tethering
Its like not paying you bill. You get a warning. You can always deny it or ignore it. Modern PDANet if thats what you are boing to use has some countermeasures. At least 2 I think. Don't know if they are effective. You can just use Orobot to tunnel your traffic and I'm pretty certain that would work. I don't know what you plan to do but I wouldn't go download something shady from some torrent site though. Web browsing and getting email is probably fine.
I've been tethering my laptop to my phone since I first figured out how to do it with the Droid X. Meaning basically since I rooted it and found a decent tether app. Out of 5 people on a business share plan(business version of family plan - add a line for 9.99 etc) I've always had significantly highest usage. 5 gigs at a bare minimum, and not once has verizon figured out I'm tethering.
I honestly dont think they can really tell if you are or arent tehtering. 4g or 3g.
Curious, is Verizon still charging people today who were paying before the ruling? Is it possible now for me to use built in hotspot instead of wifi tether, regardless of whether or not i am on a custom rom? I am using latest synergy atm with wifi tether, i should have no problem using built in right?
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Curious, is Verizon still charging people today who were paying before the ruling? Is it possible now for me to use built in hotspot instead of wifi tether, regardless of whether or not i am on a custom rom? I am using latest synergy atm with wifi tether, i should have no problem using built in right?
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I believe you can if you turn it on through the notification toggles...Why tho? The WiFi for Root Users is a lot more customizable...
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Curious, is Verizon still charging people today who were paying before the ruling? Is it possible now for me to use built in hotspot instead of wifi tether, regardless of whether or not i am on a custom rom? I am using latest synergy atm with wifi tether, i should have no problem using built in right?
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atm no. the software is still there to keep you from doing that. IF you root, the world is your oyster though... and they aren't actually allowed to do anything to do. They just aren't rushing to open everyone up to free hotspotting.
I know this is an annoying subject for some of you, but I haven't found clear answers on other threads. I am planing on tethering to Xbox Live and my Laptop. Is making a custom APN and deleting tether manager any good? Are there other and more effective ways? I am willing to take a risk and will stop if AT&T sends me a letter. I'm on CyanogenMod 10.
Thanks.
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I know this is an annoying subject for some of you, but I haven't found clear answers on other threads. I am planing on tethering to Xbox Live and my Laptop. Is making a custom APN and deleting tether manager any good? Are there other and more effective ways? I am willing to take a risk and will stop if AT&T sends me a letter. I'm on CyanogenMod 10.
Thanks.
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I could be wrong but I don't think there's any way to do that.
After doing some more research it seems some apps can kind of hide it but you will most likely get caught if not right away eventually
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ArcriusOneX said:
I know this is an annoying subject for some of you, but I haven't found clear answers on other threads. I am planing on tethering to Xbox Live and my Laptop. Is making a custom APN and deleting tether manager any good? Are there other and more effective ways? I am willing to take a risk and will stop if AT&T sends me a letter. I'm on CyanogenMod 10.
Thanks.
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regardless what you do, the amount of data that you will use doing what you listed is what will throw AT&T a red flag.
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regardless what you do, the amount of data that you will use doing what you listed is what will throw AT&T a red flag.
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Yeah that's what I thought. Huge red flag.
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Tethering xbox? I can see AT&T being all over that. Laptop i think is doable but again have to limit it to general surfing and emailing any heavy duty data usage like streaming movies will again be a red flag.
Red flags usually due to usage in a particular sitting.
If you thether intermittently should be ok.
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Tethering guard is not a "tether police" app. It just controls tethering. Delete it and you won't be able to tether at all.
The only way to avoid getting caught tethering is to stay below AT&T's radar screen. That means keeping your data usage under control and not connecting to red flag sites like Windows update and, yes, Xbox Live.
If AT&T decides to check, there are numerous ways they can tell you're tethering, and once you're caught, the jig is up. They'll put you on a tethering plan if you keep doing it. There are no apps that are able to reliably hide tethering because there is evidence of it outside your phone.
There is some evidence they devote extra attention if you happen to have a grandfathered unlimited data plan.
I pirated tethering for years on my iPhones and One X and never got caught. I only tethered my MBP and was religious about limiting my data.
to allow native tethering on stock at&t rom all you do is a little sql editing of telephony.db which takes like 10 seconds. as far as detecting tethering im sure it depends on your area. i haven't ran into any problems tethering though. i don't understand why at&t would care since they already screw the people with unlimited anyways where after 5GB of data they throttle you to 500kbps, or that is what they do in my area.
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as far as detecting tethering im sure it depends on your area. i haven't ran into any problems tethering though.
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The exact parameters by which AT&T is monitoring/policing for tethering seems to be unknown any anyone but AT&T insiders. It also seems to be a bit random. There have been reports by at least a couple folks on here that swear that they never even tethered, but got the SMS warning from AT&T that they were caught tethering, and any further tethering would result in being forcibly changed to a plan that allows tethering. While other folks use it occasionally and have never been caught.
The amount of usage is almost certainly a factor, so using it regularly for X-Box is probably not a good idea. The theory proposed by folks here, is that when certain red flags are raised by network usage, your traffic will be more close scrutinized, and the data packets examined for evidence of tethering. The checks are probably all network based, so changing anything on the phone will probably not help.
Personally, I use it only occasionally, for very limited time periods and data amounts, and have never been caught. Most often while traveling such as when a hotel WiFi is not available, crappy signal, or carries an excessive extra cost.
Been reading exhaustively about Verizon unlimited data plans and have a few questions for the smart people here.
1. Is it true that vzn cannot block us from free tethering via a custom rom?
2. Is there a way for me to unknowingly trip some kind of alarm by accessing the hotspot?
3. If tethering is NOT hacked in a rom, what happens? Will i get a signup page or will the hotpot just not work?
Any thoughts appreciated. I'm weary about trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance!
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Been reading exhaustively about Verizon unlimited data plans and have a few questions for the smart people here.
1. Is it true that vzn cannot block us from free tethering via a custom rom?
2. Is there a way for me to unknowingly trip some kind of alarm by accessing the hotspot?
3. If tethering is NOT hacked in a rom, what happens? Will i get a signup page or will the hotpot just not work?
Any thoughts appreciated. I'm weary about trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance!
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I've tethered through my S4 gigabytes of days. Others who run their home's internet and entertainment through their phone have racked up hundreds of gigabytes with no word from VZW. I've never been on stock, so I don't know how to tether on a ROM that doesn't have it built in. Just don't use the VZW app for it.
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dlscott1111 said:
Been reading exhaustively about Verizon unlimited data plans and have a few questions for the smart people here.
1. Is it true that vzn cannot block us from free tethering via a custom rom?
A) true, they cannot block the end user...u could use your sim in a midi/hotspot if you wanted
2. Is there a way for me to unknowingly trip some kind of alarm by accessing the hotspot?
A) I have tethered 23-40 GB per month since 4g came out...never a warning or questions.
3. If tethering is NOT hacked in a rom, what happens? Will i get a signup page or will the hotpot just not work?
A) yes if not use g a ROM an app lime PDA net or foxfi used to work, but to my knowledge not on kitkat
Any thoughts appreciated. I'm weary about trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance!
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I hope this helps
dlscott1111 said:
Been reading exhaustively about Verizon unlimited data plans and have a few questions for the smart people here.
1. Is it true that vzn cannot block us from free tethering via a custom rom?
2. Is there a way for me to unknowingly trip some kind of alarm by accessing the hotspot?
3. If tethering is NOT hacked in a rom, what happens? Will i get a signup page or will the hotpot just not work?
Any thoughts appreciated. I'm weary about trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance!
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Coming from working for Verizon corporate, they don't care unless you're doing an obscene amount of data. If you're doing 100gb a month, expect to get a letter warning you to stop. They could also throttle you. In other words, don't be so ignorant to think you could get away with it indefinitely .
As for the hack portion of your question, it will either work or not. You don't need to worry about getting charged if you didn't sign up online, in store, or over the phone with old big red.
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Been reading exhaustively about Verizon unlimited data plans and have a few questions for the smart people here.
1. Is it true that vzn cannot block us from free tethering via a custom rom?
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I am not entirely sure of the legality of using ROMs to sidestep Verizon's tethering restrictions (with unlimited data), but seeing as how no one (to my knowledge) has had their service terminated due to tethering, I assume it isn't something Verizon wishes to pursue. If I recall correctly, Verizon's recent purchase of the 700 Mhz C Block spectrum came with the clause that Verizon could not "deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee's C Block network." Of course, Verizon responded to this settlement by allowing tethering, but chose to charge the end user for tethering THROUGH THEIR SPECIFIC APP, MOBILE HOTSPOT. Good old Verizon, eh? This article does a good job of expanding on Verizon and tethering plans, however it does list that users with unlimited data "must" pay for a subscription service. However, as stated above, I don't know of anyone to get their service terminated for tethering (as I don't think there is any concrete way to prove that the data you are using is through your phone or another device, assuming you use a modified Mobile Hotspot or third party tethering app), so this exists as a gray area which Verizon doesn't seem to be acting on. If anyone here has more knowledge on this, or is able to correct me on anything above or below, that would be much appreciated; I too would like to be as up to date on all of this (like the OP), so any and all information is welcomed.
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Actually, if you follow the instructions in this thread you can enable tethering in Verizon's native Mobile Hotspot app. While this method is free, it still uses your data, so unless you have copious gigabytes of data (or unlimited data) I would be careful here.
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3. If tethering is NOT hacked in a rom, what happens? Will i get a signup page or will the hotpot just not work?
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If you have not "hacked" your Mobile Hotspot app to support free tethering (as shown above), then it will simply prompt you to sign up for a Mobile Hotspot subscription (which you can deny). If you are using a third party app, and are still unable to enable tethering, the app will simply not work. You will not get charged for a Hotspot subscription, nor will you be automatically enrolled. One thing to be careful of here is the MyVerizon app. Even though it has nothing to do directly with mobile data tethering, I suspect recent changes to it are taking a very shady approach (thread 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) of figuring out who may be tethering. After its most recent update, it has been requesting Superuser access from users who are rooted, and my best guess is Verizon is trying to collect data on which users have modified their phones/could be tethering. I realize I may just be grasping at straws here, but perhaps Verizon has found some definitive way to link tethering to having root access, and in the future may act upon this. I know that eventually Verizon will try to kick all users off of unlimited data plans, and since technically we are bound by our contracts signed when we first got unlimited data (which prevented tethering without a subscription), they could use this as leverage to force us onto tiered plans.
Thanks man! Learned a ton from you and the other posters. Thanks for the response and for pointing out the superuser issue. I blindly agreed to give them superuser access. Going to rethink that.
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I have been using a hotspot through Fox-Fi and Root hacks for years, sometimes using up to 102gb in a month! Never got a flag, message, or threat from VZW.
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Thanks man! Learned a ton from you and the other posters. Thanks for the response and for pointing out the superuser issue. I blindly agreed to give them superuser access. Going to rethink that.
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Sadly enough, it doesn't matter if you accepted the Superuser request or not, once MyVerizon prompts you for access, it most likely is noted in the app (that you have root access) and then sent to some Verizon database to be added to your “file"...
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I have been using a hotspot through Fox-Fi and Root hacks for years, sometimes using up to 102gb in a month! Never got a flag, message, or threat from VZW.
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I applaud you on your usage, I have never broken 10 GB, though I assume that you use your Verizon mobile data for your home internet? Otherwise, you must be Netflix-binging like “cray cray".
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