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Transcend Micro SD 32gb - memory loss , corrupt

What causes this on my memory card?
I had about 10GB of music syncing to it overnight. After it finished the next day it said 18GB free on card... later today, I decided to flash a new ROM, I go to flash the .zip in Recovery and the .zip file is corrupt(bad). After a second look- the card now says 29gb free after that whole long music sync ! What is going on here
I have reformatted the card before because of files getting corrupted and I am about to see if transcend can't send me a new one unless someone here knows something else that might be causing this data corruption to happen.

GravvyTrain said:
What causes this on my memory card?
I had about 10GB of music syncing to it overnight. After it finished the next day it said 18GB free on card... later today, I decided to flash a new ROM, I go to flash the .zip in Recovery and the .zip file is corrupt(bad). After a second look- the card now says 29gb free after that whole long music sync ! What is going on here
I have reformatted the card before because of files getting corrupted and I am about to see if transcend can't send me a new one unless someone here knows something else that might be causing this data corruption to happen.
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29GB is the correct capacity. You will always lose about 10% due to the difference in how manufacturers rate storage space and OS's recognize them. Basically, it is base 8 math vs base 10. 29 is normal.

fake or no?
I had 18gb free on the sd after the music sync. Silly me didn't check for the music to see if it was there. Later that day I went to transfer a new ROM to the card and it read at 29gb like I hadn't even synced all that music AT ALL !
I just can't believe I got another fake memory card... this sucks. I didn't think a class 6 transcend 32gb would F**K me over like this thats all.
How can my files get corrupted other than the card being a fake?

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Not sure I understand why you think you've a fake. Is it because it only shows as 29g? If so, then you have to understand the difference between marketing and engineering.The Samsung card that came with my phone shows as 7.39g under properties.And is listed as having over 7.9g if you count the individual cells. The first total is engineering, the 2nd the marketing #. Or is it because you lost the music? With flash memory, any number of things can cause a wipe - ranging from user error to static shock to failure of the memory cells themselves. And flash memory always comes with extra cells built in to compensate for cells dying.

I will just transfer one artist at time and see if it stays on it. I think I have a corrupt card because after filling space on it at a certain point the rest of the files will be inaccessible.

There are apparently quite a few fakes coming from Asia. I had a Kingston 32gb class 6 card that did the same thing. After waiting for over an hour for my files to transfer, I unplugged my phone from the pc. When the SD card mounted, there was no music on it. I did some google searching, tried various methods of formatting, used a card reader to transfer files. When using the card reader, my pc would show that the files were there but when I put the card in my Inspire, there was a blank card. When I put the card back in the reader it was blank. When trying to play music that showed on the card right after a transfer, I would get an error message that Windows could not read from source. I ended up buying a PNY class 10 card from Newegg. Problem solved.
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Good news from transcend CS
I asked if the lifetime warranty is still valid purchasing from ebay, and they replied-
Since the card has a lifetime warranty, you can do the return without the receipt.
Thanks,
Richard Martin
Technical Support Engineer
Transcend Information Inc.
10320 Little Patuxent Parkway, Suite 808
Columbia, MD 21044
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Looks like I will be taking this route if the card corrupts my files again...Its too bad I should get a refund from the ebay seller , but I would be better off just sending this one in for a new one.
It does surprise me to get a defective product from Transcend- they seem to have a good reputation but everyone get defective products now and then I suppose.
Lifetime Warranty +1

i might have to look into that. 16gb seemed like plenty at first, but now im needing more.

GravvyTrain said:
What causes this on my memory card?
I had about 10GB of music syncing to it overnight. After it finished the next day it said 18GB free on card... later today, I decided to flash a new ROM, I go to flash the .zip in Recovery and the .zip file is corrupt(bad). After a second look- the card now says 29gb free after that whole long music sync ! What is going on here
I have reformatted the card before because of files getting corrupted and I am about to see if transcend can't send me a new one unless someone here knows something else that might be causing this data corruption to happen.
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I used to buy micro SD's from ebay and ended with a few fakes. I found a program called h2testw 1.4 that writes to the SD then reads it back. It will let you know if the card files written are either corrupted or the SD is a fake. I dont use any SD cards without testing it first. I went thru the same issue where the cards would show their gb but when I transfered files to them it would say transfered but the phone could not see them, turned out to be fakes. Now the test does take a while as I recall I ran a 32gb card thru it and it took a little under 4 hrs so you do have to be patient with the test. All depends on size of SD.

Reinaldo33897 said:
I used to buy micro SD's from ebay and ended with a few fakes. I found a program called h2testw 1.4 that writes to the SD then reads it back. It will let you know if the card files written are either corrupted or the SD is a fake.
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+1 for H2testw 1.4
That and CrystalDiskMark are always run on any flash/USB memory i buy before any use. Learned from bad ebay experience as well

I saw this card on Slickdeals, someone linked to some reviews. Alot of people were having corruption.

i always use Kingston Memorys in my phones and never got any problem...using a 32gb class 10 in my inspire 4g right now....
check this http://www.kingston.com/LatAm/flash/sdhc_micro.asp

Local Storage, SD Storage & MicroSD Storage

Hello, was hoping someone could help me or possibly explain how the Storage is structured on the 300T.
You have Local, SD & MicroSD storage. On my Evo3D phone I have Local and MicroSD and when I use my Cloud Service it stores everything on the MicroSD. On my 300T when I use my Cloud Service it stores everthing on the Internal SD storage instead of the removable MicroSD card. I have heard that once you fill up the SD storage it will overflow onto the removable MicroSD, is this true?
Basically, I want to store games and Tablet data on the local and Internal SD storage and have all my music and movies on the removable MicroSD. Are there was to do this?

Unless there is a option in the app you are using that you can change where it puts the multimedia files you download from it you will have to move them to the removable Micro SD yourself.
However I wouldn't think anything would default to the removable MicroSD because they probably think the internal sd IS the external memory. allowing your external MicroSD to not get cluttered.
I don't have much experience with tablets or ICS so I could be wrong.

I would like to get it to download apps to SD instead of internal
I'm having a problem on my TF300T
All my apps are downloading off the Market directly to the Internal Storage even though I have a 32GB Micro SD Card!
Anyone have any insight as to why this happens? My internal storage is filling up quite quickly. I think the base memory on these things is only 12GB free to start so I really need to be able to swap cards in and out and have apps install to it instead of internal.
Thanks in advance
nordis,

nordis2010 said:
I'm having a problem on my TF300T
All my apps are downloading off the Market directly to the Internal Storage even though I have a 32GB Micro SD Card!
Anyone have any insight as to why this happens? My internal storage is filling up quite quickly. I think the base memory on these things is only 12GB free to start so I really need to be able to swap cards in and out and have apps install to it instead of internal.
Thanks in advance
nordis,
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By default on ICS everything goes to the sd card. I believe there is a rooted option to move some apps to sd card, but I'm not sure. check out this thread. Starting on that page and for a little bit there is some discussion on it.
As I stated in that thread. I would like to know what apps people are installing that take up that much space.

I checked out that link, did not get much regarding the sd card. If apps are not going to install to it then what's the point?
As far as apps go that take up that much space, it's all kinds of them, from music apps, to gps nav apps. I use Sygic with this and
pull down all the maps of the us, right there your 12gb is gone. A bunch of forex trading apps, I have Root since last night.
I really need this stuff to install to the 32gb cards I have or this thing is going to be pretty useless to me real fast.
My sons is the same, with in a week he has his loaded with games to the point where the internal storage is almost full.
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nordis2010 said:
I checked out that link, did not get much regarding the sd card. If apps are not going to install to it then what's the point?
As far as apps go that take up that much space, it's all kinds of them, from music apps, to gps nav apps. I use Sygic with this and
pull down all the maps of the us, right there your 12gb is gone. A bunch of forex trading apps, I have Root since last night.
I really need this stuff to install to the 32gb cards I have or this thing is going to be pretty useless to me real fast.
My sons is the same, with in a week he has his loaded with games to the point where the internal storage is almost full.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using XDA
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I'm not sure if these apps work but try them out:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.app2sd&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wOSwiY29tLndvbmd4bWluZy5hbmRyb2lkLmFwcDJzZCJd
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...GwsMSwxLDEwOSwibW9iaS5pbmZvbGlmZS5hcHAyc2QiXQ..

Cool
It never occurred to me to just check the app store lol!
Thanks for that. Guess my brain is a bit laggy today, spent all night
getting this rooted.
Actually rooting it was beyond simple, the real issue was with Java not being recognized by Windows, so I couldn't run ADB.
All it came down to was the Environment Variable, once set it could see
the application and load the usb drivers. Then after getting it loaded I had to play with it, so went to sleep got up a hour later to go to work hehe.
Anyway thanks for the responses, this forum has been a God Sent!
nordis,

There's no way without root is there?
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KindaUndisputed said:
There's no way without root is there?
Sent from my R800i using XDA
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Nope, some of the data from the apps are stored in /root/data/data.... You'll need root to move them (in our case ICS, in gingerbread you were able to do this unrooted). Did it work nordis?

Wasn't at system when you sent that last response.
Hi,
Sorry was going back n forth between work and home.
I have a couple of them pulled down, all with very similar names.
A couple look really promising. I will post it once I'm finished but it looks
like the majority of these will allow me to move everything that I want to
move off of the internal storage and on to the SD card.
Well all except the XDA forums, for some reason those all state internal only.
Not a big deal though. If I can move the GPS apps off the internal storage, and
my ForEx apps I think I'm good.
nordis,
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This sucks,
Apparently some rocket scientist over at Asus decided that on a 16GB Base System that it was more than enough storage space to do anything anyone could want, and that the external storage would only be to transfer files to an from the device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26151036&posted=1#post26151036
I literally wont be able to use these systems with in a couple of days from now.
Not being able to save application data on a storage drive has to be the single most asinine thing I've ever see a electronics manufacturer do. This is really a deal breaker now. If I'm unable to get this data from point A. to point B. and still be able to access it from with in the applications, these things are useless!
This is not a Opinion, this is a requirement for me.
If there was a big disclaimer some place that said HEY YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 12GB OF SPACE TO WORK WITH, AND AFTER THAT YOUR S.O.L! I would have moved right past these.
I just don't even know what to do now, Play Frisbee with these things or something I guess, on the way back to the store!

nordis2010 said:
This sucks,
Apparently some rocket scientist over at Asus decided that on a 16GB Base System that it was more than enough storage space to do anything anyone could want, and that the external storage would only be to transfer files to an from the device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26151036&posted=1#post26151036
I literally wont be able to use these systems with in a couple of days from now.
Not being able to save application data on a storage drive has to be the single most asinine thing I've ever see a electronics manufacturer do. This is really a deal breaker now. If I'm unable to get this data from point A. to point B. and still be able to access it from with in the applications, these things are useless!
This is not a Opinion, this is a requirement for me.
If there was a big disclaimer some place that said HEY YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 12GB OF SPACE TO WORK WITH, AND AFTER THAT YOUR S.O.L! I would have moved right past these.
I just don't even know what to do now, Play Frisbee with these things or something I guess, on the way back to the store!
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So, I'm guessing the apps didn't work. Suggestion why don't you just download the maps for your current State, there's really no need to download all the maps from USA, if you're not using them everyday. If you ever need to go to another state just download the maps for that state before going. This will help you save some space. You could also consider getting the 32GB version. The only way to fill the 12gb of free space is installing about 15 Dark Meadows apps (approx. 800MB each). The larger size regular games (non THD) take around 50-100 MBs, meaning that you have space for 120 games (12GBs). This would be completely ridiculous since no one plays that much games, I have about 10 installed right now and I only play like three of them (and I'm a gamer).
Unused data should be freed, if you don't want to lose the data on those apps you barely use you can run Titanium backup to back up your data and transfer the data to your pc for later use if needed. Every media you have (videos, photos, music, etc.) you can store them in the external SD card.
Still I understand your frustration, we should be able to transfer stuff to our card without any hassle. AFAIK this isn't just an ASUS problem but an overal ICS problem.

I know
I did for just my state an the surrounding states I live near.
For the past couple of days I had been looking at running some small app on the SD card, they jump you through hoops and loops going through some partition process for the Micro SD card.
However I think I can do this right on a Windows 7 system with the Drive Management utilities built into Windows, and a Micro SD to USB reader.
Which I already have, I used for my sons DS way back, I put the card in it, through it in the system, it see's it, and tells me that it can be read, formatted, partitioned the whole 9 yards. So I will try it at work today and let you know how it turns out. If this can be partitioned this way, and then use one of these apps L2SD or something like that then it's a very simple solution.
Sorry I will post the exact name of the app I was looking at once I have tested this if it works. Along with detailed instructions.
Thanks again for all the help.
nordis,

I'm linked it all works I used a SD to USB adapter in Windows
Hi,
I'm linked and you can set it up to use the SD Card as the default for downloads now.
First things you need to do this.
You have to be have Root access on your device before you can do any of this. You have to make sure you go into settings on your device and Enable USB Debugging before you start any of this.
1. You need to partition your Micro SD Card. I used the a SD to USB Adapter, and Partitioned my 32GB Card the SD Card on a Windows 7 system as follows.
Set the 1st partition to 1GB. Set the second partition to use the remainder of the card. Download "EaseUS Partition Master Home Edition" it's free, you pull it down from www.download.com
2. You need a boot loader this is what that 1st 1GB partition is for. I used
bootice you can download it from here free http://code.google.com/p/grub4dos-ireneuszp/downloads/detail?name=bootice_0.9.2011.0512.rar
This is all you need to do with this app. Run Bootice, go "Parts Manage" > "ReFormat USB disk" (don't worry, it won't "format" the USB) > choose the dropdown option for your new first partition > click "Set Accessible" and it's done already! After that you can just click cancel/close/etc.
3. Download and run Link2SD from the Android Market, you can actually do this step first. Also this app is free.
Here is a Guide I found online for Link2SD. http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/12/12/link2sd-guide-never-worry-about-internal-memory-limits-again/
This guide shows you how to move apps, No proprietary system apps, but those are note the ones you really have to worry about taking up space anyway. It also shows you how to go into the Link2SD settings and make your Micro SD Card your default download location from places that auto install applications like the Android Market. Very nice, this was exactly what I needed, I'm very pleased with this so far.
I have to give another thank you to jgaf for this, he pointed me in the direction of the Link 2 SD software in the first place, very much appreciated!
Sorry it took me so long to post this after I got setup it's been a busy weekend though.
Good luck.
nordis

Good to hear nordis now you can keep your TF300Ts Maybe you should make a new thread with the steps you did to get it working, so other people can find it easily.

Good idea.
Just have to finish some other things up and I will
move the details over to a new thread.
nordis,

Done, I posted it in the main Q&A section. Cleaned it up a bit, added a couple of lines where I thought people may have some questions. I hope it's pretty straight forward for everyone. I went through all this like a breeze when I partitioned my card this way, hopefully every one else will as well.

Get the 32gb version of the 300.
If you can fill up 30gb with apps, you need to learn to not keep everything you don't really use.
Put your music, movies, and photos on the Sd card, you won't have a problem with app space.
The 32gb version is only $20 more. It's not like you can't afford it.

Wasn't aware of it at the time, and they don't offer it at Best Buy
When I purchased the ones I was getting I just went to Best Buy so I could get them right then.
Didn't want to wait or order them off the net, and all that Best Buy sells apparently is the 16GB version. I wasn't aware at the time that there even was a 32GB version.
However I would fill that up eventually as well. It's just not good business marketing to make a device with such a limitation in the first place. You should be able to download, and install apps where you want them and need them.
Anyway situation is resolved for me now I'm happy.
nordis,

[App] "FolderMount" Move Game Data to Ext. SDCard - Apps2SD alternative!

I don't know if this mentioned yet, but you might be aware that you can't move apps to your ext. SD Card to free up space on your phone.
For some reasons Apps2SD doesn't seem to work on Samsung phones.
After doing a bit of browsing/research I came across an app called "FolderMount." [Requires Root]
This works by mounting folders in your ext. SDcard to your internal SD Card, fooling your device into thinking your external storage is part of your internal storage. This way you can move all your game data (or any other files that can only stay on your internal SD) to your MicroSD card.
Here is a quote by the developer:
madmack said:
Today some apps store big files over the internal SD card (e.g. Games, Podcasts, Offline RSS feeds, Pictures, Offline navigation software). Typically users have a small internal sd card size (~16GB) while the external SD is a lot bigger (~32-64GB). Most of these apps don't have an option to use the external SD card to store data so they starve your internal SD card memory. I'm bringing this solution to fix this issue. In my case, I use this app to mount offline navigation software and some GameLoft games (NFS anyone?).
Doesn't this do the same thing as previous apps?
There are a few apps that already do this. However, my app differs in that:
a) Some of the existing apps aren't maintained anymore. FolderMount will be maintained by me as we go forward.
b) While most of the previous apps work properly in most cases, I found them not very intuitive to setup initially and were lacking some necessary "sanity checks" before linking folders. I intend to keep this app as intuitive and bug free as possible.
c) Support for Android 4.2.2! No app will currently do that for you, so here it is. (dev talk: this uses the debuggerd service trick to get it to work).
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Here is the link to the original developers thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39178981#post39178981
Please remember to go to the thread and thank the developer for this amazing app!
FolderMount is also available on the Play Store.

Best on Galaxy S4 9505!
Tank's for this information

Easiest way to move Games to Ext.SDCard is by using "GL to SD" but it requires root access

trickk said:
Easiest way to move Games to Ext.SDCard is by using "GL to SD" but it requires root access
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does that work for you? it worked for me on my S3 but I can't get it to work on the S4?
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beaver2233 said:
does that work for you? it worked for me on my S3 but I can't get it to work on the S4?
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Yes, it works fine for me.
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Ps.: ROM: I9505XXUAMDM - rooted
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Zer0_ said:
I don't know if this mentioned yet, but you might be aware that you can't move apps to your ext. SD Card to free up space on your phone.
For some reasons Apps2SD doesn't seem to work on Samsung phones.
After doing a bit of browsing/research I came across an app called "FolderMount." [Requires Root]
This works by mounting folders in your ext. SDcard to your internal SD Card, fooling your device into thinking your external storage is part of your internal storage. This way you can move all your game data (or any other files that can only stay on your internal SD) to your MicroSD card.
Here is a quote by the developer:
Here is the link to the original developers thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39178981#post39178981
Please remember to go to the thread and thank the developer for this amazing app!
FolderMount is also available on the Play Store.
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Confirmed it works perfectly now storing 8gig of game data on my SD perfect..
Here is a video walk through if anyone wants to see the process, hats off the dev who has done a great job making it quick and easy.

the gl to sd app is NOT compatible with my phone or rom i got the iI9500UBUAMDE I download it but it keep FC when i open it

Folder Mount Reboots
Hello, My name is Darren and this is my first post, please go easy on me...
Could not ask this on FolderMount thread in Dev so hopefully can find help here.
I have FM Pro installed on I9505 and tried to created simple link of pictures (/storage/emulated/0/Pictures to /storage/extSdCard/Pictures) followed the FM prompts and it appeared all was good, then phone rebooted and continued to reboot for about 5 to 6 times then come good. Tried power off restart and cycle started again. Tried once more and all come good, no reboots , green pin and files are being stored on ext card.
Phone was Telstra branded (I9505XXUAMDE) now running djembey Pre Rooted Knox Free XXUAMDM. Could basic root access nature of this ROM be the cause of multiple reboots?
Kind regards Darren

For anyone who wants a quick tutorial on how to set this up:
Let's use Modern Combat 4 as an example for this-
Once you download Modern Combat, it stores all of its data on your internal SDcard in the following location:
/Android/obb/com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftM4HM
This folder is somewhere around 2GB i believe, or something like that.
The goal FolderMount is to move the above folder to your external MicroSD, but at the same time, fool your phone into thinking that the folder data is still in the internal drive.
To do this, do the following;
Download and install FolderMouint and give it root permissions.
Start the applications and click at on the "+".
For Name, Put in Modern Combat 4
For Source, chose Android -> obb -> com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftM4HM and press the checkmark button at the top.
You will get a message saying the following
"Would you like me to create the destination folder automatically?..blah blah blah"
Just choose yes.
Now press the Check mark button at the top again. It will start to move all the files to your external MicroSD card.
Once that has been completed, in the main FolderMount screen, you will see a little pin beside "Modern Combay 4". Press that and it will mount your folders together and it should work!
Sorry, I kind of rushed through this.

androidizen said:
Confirmed it works perfectly now storing 8gig of game data on my SD perfect..
Here is a video walk through if anyone wants to see the process, hats off the dev who has done a great job making it quick and easy.
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its works but its doesnt let me mount the games to the ex sd.with that it never work and my note 2 work perfect with ntfs system

Is there any alternative app without root?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

how about this one?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.codlab.int2ext
anyone try it?
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Works great, thanks
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app

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Hi.
Wonderfull App that finally works (GL2SD doesn't on my GS4).
But only able to mirror 3 directries from the free version: "buy the premium version"
Question: Where (how) to buy the premium one???
No way to found it -_-"

onthemix said:
Hi.
Wonderfull App that finally works (GL2SD doesn't on my GS4).
But only able to mirror 3 directries from the free version: "buy the premium version"
Question: Where (how) to buy the premium one???
No way to found it -_-"
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Press the three dots beside the "+" button and you should have an option to buy premium.

I dont understand... did everything as told, the app worked aswell.. but as i can see it only copied data from sd to external sd.. the original game data remains at the internal sd card, thus i have not received any free space??
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It works very well. 3GB from phone to card without problem.

ThugosaurusRex said:
Works great, thanks
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
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can you post a guide??

Masami1975 said:
can you post a guide??
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I posted a tutorial on the first page of this thread.

Micro USB Flash Drive

Would one of these/something like it work on my Moto G: 1 2 3
If I used a file explorer, could I move apps and music from Moto storage onto flash drive and still be able to play them? Is it convenient and easy to use, 8GB is barley enough for me. Thanks

@Banana4Life ..... Look at the "Meenova" USB OTG unit (there is a thread in Moto G accessory forum but i cannot remember exactly where) you can find it by Googling. It is similar to your 3rd example, that is it can be used in Moto G also as a normal size USB in Laptop or Desktop. I have one and I see it's advantage is that it comes without a fixed memory i.e. you can put any micro sd card that you want in it i.e. 4Gb, 8Gb, 16Gb, 32Gb, 64Gb etc. If I remember correctly it costs $15 plus shipping & handling. It is a Chinese firm but has an office and sales point in California.
I find it most useful for keeping a copy of "sdcard" and backups which in turn can be copied to my Laptop as extra insurance LOL. I also store movies on it and can play them directly onto my phone. One word of warning (which you probably know) do not be tempted to format with NTFS - Moto G wont read it and theres a chance you will soft brick.

It looks pretty nice, much smaller than my examples. Can you play apps off the micro sd card? I would mainly use it for apps and music. Is it easy to access the stuff you put on it as well, do you use ES file explorer?

@bana4Life ..... I can't give you a definite answer to whether you can run apps directly from the Meenova device all I can say on that is that it is quite easy to transfer apps from your phone onto the Meenova, the only trouble I find is that as soon as you select the app it immediately asks if you want to "install" it and this it does on your phone not on the device. I don't know whether using one of the apps which claims to be able to transfer apps to an external sd would be able to help you out but my own limited experience with such apps as "Apps to SD", "Move to SD", "App Manager" etc has not proved very helpful.
As far as music is concerned, same as videos or movies, it is simplicity itself ..... If you run your main app to play music or video then the app automatically searches for the music etc on both your phone storage and the usb storage and plays it fine.
My file manager of choice is "Root Explorer" (from the play store), I'm presuming that you are rooted - if not you can still use "Root Explorer" but you won't have the option to read/write files, only read them and you won't have the ability to see the hidden system files.
The Meenova shows up in your file system as ...../mnt/media_rw/usbdisk. I should have mentioned before that although I am rooted and have custom recovery installed I am running the stock 4.4.3 Rom and if you are running a custom Rom then much of what I have said may not apply.
I don't think I've been a lot of help to you, however good luck with whatever you try. By the way I think my remarks apply to all USB OTG storage devices not just Meenova. Yes I think the Meenova is the smallest such device on the market.

So with the app problem, you can move an app from phone to SD, but to play it you'll have to move it back onto the phone, then after using it move it back onto SD. Is that what you can do? Also, didn't know the main music app would search the SD, thought that you would have to use something like Es File Explorer to play music (which is what I use). I am also on stock 4.4.4
You have actually been helpful, went into detail and gave info :highfive: :highfive: :highfive:

@Banana4Life ..... Just a quick answer ..... When I talked about moving the app to the usb storage I was referring to the .apk ...... but when you click on it it will give you the option to "Install" which it then does on your phone so really you save nothing, the app is still installed on the phone! ..... As far as I'm concerned the only real use of usb storage is to store large amounts of data i.e. mp4 movies which would otherwise take up valuable phone memory. This applies equally to large numbers of music files.
The two apps I use for playing movies are (1) MX Player Pro and (2) Best Video Player. Both are on Play Store. Both will search for compatible video files to play on both the phone and the usb storage.
I'm not a huge music "fan" but I have my playlists which I play using the stock Google "Play Music" app (installed by default by ICS - Jelly Bean - KitKat) it's also on Play Store. This app will also search both the phone and usb storage for music files.

An apk file can be installed with out a connection right? So you can put multiple apk's on SD card, install one then uninstall it to install a different apk

@Banana4Life ..... I think we are beginning to talk about different things here LOL ..... If you download an app from the Play Store then nine times out of ten the .apk file will be downloaded to your phone in the ..../data/app.... folder - the associated "odex" file will probably be downloaded into your phone in the ..../system/app.... folder and any other associated data files will be downloaded to other phone folders ..... Now there maybe apps which will allow these files to be downloaded to your place of choice i.e. usb storage .... BUT I don't know of any apps which will do this.
You use the words ".... on SD card...." please remember the Moto G does not have an external SD card (unless of course you have the Moto E which has an external SD card) so when you use a File Manager and see the folder entitled "sdcard" this refers to the internal memory space NOT to an external card.
Yes you could swap installed apk's back and forth between usb storage and normal phone storage but it just seems to me a lot of work for not very much gain.
You say "....apk's can be installed without a connection" .... Not quite certain what you mean by that..... You don't need your phone connected to a PC by a cable ..... You can have your USB storage (Meenova) connected to your phone ...OR NOT ...... of course your phone will be connected to Play Store by WiFi, but that can't be what you mean

Yea, I am android pleb I get confused
In your 2nd reply you said apps such as App to SD were not very useful but your also said it's easy to transfer apps. By transferring apps you mean by the apk and you tried to use the App to SD to move the whole app not just the installer, but even though using App to SD it still requires you to install it on phone. Is it not possible to move the apk file for every app or do just some work? There are some tutorials saying how to make default download place an SD or how to move an app to SD.
Maybe I don't understand what an apk is? Running an apk will install the app it's for right? Just a installer. And by the connection I mean as in once you have downloaded the apk file, running it won't require a WiFi connection?
And yea you said it comes up as /mnt/media_rw/USB disk in 2nd reply as well
Sorry if this doesnt make sense :/

@Banana4Life ..... I have never found the apps that transfer files i.e. such as "App2SD" any use for my purposes ..... BUT don't let that stop you trying them ..... you might find one that suits you and most of them are free in the Play Store.
Think of an .apk file as being an .exe file on windows ..... i.e. it installs and runs the App (Program) on your phone.
You don't need to have a WiFi connection to run 99% of apps on your phone. The obvious exceptions are online games which require an interaction between you and the Internet ..... Some simulations i.e. Flying - Motor Racing - Boat racing etc ..... Some games which require you to purchase in game upgrades ..... Games where you want to post "high scores" on a web site ..... etc.etc.etc.

I've ordered a black one today, hopefully wont take 20 days like they say it can
Im still not sure about the apps. You said it is quite easy to transfer apps from your phone onto the Meenova. What method did you do to transfer it? With the picture attached, does that option come up once SD card is put in? And just to be sure, once the app is on Meenova to use it I have to install it on phone first, then be able to put it back on Meenova right?
Thanks for recommending it and loads of information - I appreciate it :good::good::good::laugh::highfive: . If apps dont work, music is still important, I'll have to experiment

@bana4Life ..... Hope you are happy with it when it arrives. When I said in post#2 that there was a sales office/warehouse in California I was making the assumption that you were in the US because then they send it by US Postal Service and it takes two days ..... HOWEVER if you are outside US (which I now understand you are) then the postage is by Chinese Postal Service which is first class crap and will probably take nearly 20 days
Whenever I talk about moving files from one location to another (i.e. from phone to usb storage or the reverse) I am always talking about using File Manager "Root Explorer Pro".
When you have usb storage attached it shows up at ------ Settings>Storage>USB On the Go Storage Mounted...... In your screenshot (which I am guessing is using one of the "App2SD" apps) any reference to SD card refers to your internal memory.
It has just occurred to me that I have been assuming all along that you have the standard XT1032 or XT1033 Moto G (with NO external SD slot)..... WHEREAS if you have the Moto G LTE or the Moto E then you do have an external sd card slot.
Anyway I think I have gone as far as I can go with helping you out. I hope that your Meenova arrives quickly and that when you use it you will be happy with what it offers.

Yea I have XT1032. Its was dispatched today . Thanks again! :good: I'll try these App2SD apps, Im sure I'll manage somehow

Banana4Life said:
Yea I have XT1032. Its was dispatched today . Thanks again! :good: I'll try these App2SD apps, Im sure I'll manage somehow
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So your basically wanting it to be an extension of the internal storage. The only use it has is movies and music. Well basically anything but apps.

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So your basically wanting it to be an extension of the internal storage. The only use it has is movies and music. Well basically anything but apps.
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Not even swap apk's from SD to internal like metpolds said you can or is that just impossible and bad idea?

Banana4Life said:
Not even swap apk's from SD to internal like metpolds said you can or is that just impossible and bad idea?
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Yeah but .apk files have no value beyond installing. Your never going to have the equivalent of that picture.
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Not even swap apk's from SD to internal like metpolds said you can or is that just impossible and bad idea?
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And you've both misunderstood what the apps2sd apps are. They're completely irrelevant to what your trying to achieve.

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Yeah but .apk files have no value beyond installing. Your never going to have the equivalent of that picture.
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And you've both misunderstood what the apps2sd apps are. They're completely irrelevant to what your trying to achieve.
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What do you mean by "no value beyond installing. Your never going to have the equivalent of that picture", and also where have I been going wrong with the app2sd apps?

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What do you mean by "no value beyond installing. Your never going to have the equivalent of that picture", and also where have I been going wrong with the app2sd apps?
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Well that's what the apks are there for installing. If you download an apk and install it (click on it) the only use of keeping the downloaded apk is if you uninstall the app. You can then install it again.
Apps2sd apps are for phones with sdcard slots. You can partition the sdcard ( fat32 + ext4) and the second partition (ext4) acts as a extension of the /data (where installed app are). There's a lot more to those type of apps but I'm not going into it all. Irrelevant to usb-on-the-go (any storage going thru the micro USB port)

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Well that's what the apks are there for installing. If you download an apk and install it (click on it) the only use of keeping the downloaded apk is if you uninstall the app. You can then install it again.
Apps2sd apps are for phones with sdcard slots. You can partition the sdcard ( fat32 + ext4) and the second partition (ext4) acts as a extension of the /data (where installed app are). There's a lot more to those type of apps but I'm not going into it all. Irrelevant to usb-on-the-go (any storage going thru the micro USB port)
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So Im just thinking it will act like an actual sdcard slot, but it wont. So the apk thing will work?...

Banana4Life said:
So Im just thinking it will act like an actual sdcard slot, but it wont. So the apk thing will work?...
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No it doesn't act like a built-in SDslot. It acts like you've just plugged a memory stick into it.
Yeah copying apks will work it's just a file. Like copying any file. I just don't see what your going to gain from that. Your not going to be able to have more apps installed (ready to run).
The only practical use I've found for meenova is sharing pictures from my camera to my phone.

System data keeps expanding and won't shrink, eliminating all free space

My free space is disappearing for no apparent reason. My problem is that according to DiskUsage, my System Data keep getting inflated, crowding out my free space. I had 20 gig of free space last week, but now it is only 2.6 gig. I spent an hour with ATT tech support, but nothing helped. It has almost no media or downloads. I have cleared cache, removed some unneeded apps, but free space keeps shrinking.
Part of the problem is that there are different results using different memory viewing tools. DiskUsage show this. Free = 2.6 G, Apps = 13.4 G + 7.44 G from App Backup (my apk backups), so Apps = 23 G and System data = 24.7 G. I cannot find a way to make the system data smaller. Here is the screenshot.
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AT&T told me to instead look at Settings - Storage & USB - Internal storage, which shows these numbers for various types of files. Free = 2.6 G, Apps = 38.3 G, Other = 10.2 G, System data = 12.5 G, the rest don't matter. I don't know what "Other" files are. Here is the screenshot.
No one knows how to reduce the inflated System data. I tried to delete system dumpfiles using *#9900# but that won't work on my phone. There are about 2000 zero-byte folders which I have not yet deleted because I wanted to check it out with someone knowledgeable before I did.
This is an unlocked unrooted ATT LG V10 with Marshmallow. After receiving it back from warranty repair, I rebuilt it with my apps about two months ago. Would rooting help? This is the first phone I haven't rooted in years. I also really do not want to have to reinstall the apps. How can I free up space without resetting or rooting?
I have been using App Backup to backup and reinstall all my apks. I delete old versions of apks. That is the only thing I've worked on that involves a lot of space, now 7 gig.
I don't know if this is a clue, but another problem also began a few days ago. When it reboots, it "forgets" about 40 out of 500 apps installed and their icons disappear, usually the same ones each time. It acts like registry entries are lost. All the files and settings remain so when I reinstall those apps myself, everything works like before. If I do not reinstall them myself, the Play store automatically reinstalls them. This keeps happening most time I reboot.
Any ideas? I won't be able to download anything soon without a reset.

ziva1 said:
My free space is disappearing for no apparent reason. My problem is that according to DiskUsage, my System Data keep getting inflated, crowding out my free space. I had 20 gig of free space last week, but now it is only 2.6 gig. I spent an hour with ATT tech support, but nothing helped. It has almost no media or downloads. I have cleared cache, removed some unneeded apps, but free space keeps shrinking.
Part of the problem is that there are different results using different memory viewing tools. DiskUsage show this. Free = 2.6 G, Apps = 13.4 G + 7.44 G from App Backup (my apk backups), so Apps = 23 G and System data = 24.7 G. I cannot find a way to make the system data smaller. Here is the screenshot.
AT&T told me to instead look at Settings - Storage & USB - Internal storage, which shows these numbers for various types of files. Free = 2.6 G, Apps = 38.3 G, Other = 10.2 G, System data = 12.5 G, the rest don't matter. I don't know what "Other" files are. Here is the screenshot.
No one knows how to reduce the inflated System data. I tried to delete system dumpfiles using *#9900# but that won't work on my phone. There are about 2000 zero-byte folders which I have not yet deleted because I wanted to check it out with someone knowledgeable before I did.
This is an unlocked unrooted ATT LG V10 with Marshmallow. After receiving it back from warranty repair, I rebuilt it with my apps about two months ago. Would rooting help? This is the first phone I haven't rooted in years. I also really do not want to have to reinstall the apps. How can I free up space without resetting or rooting?
I have been using App Backup to backup and reinstall all my apks. I delete old versions of apks. That is the only thing I've worked on that involves a lot of space, now 7 gig.
I don't know if this is a clue, but another problem also began a few days ago. When it reboots, it "forgets" about 40 out of 500 apps installed and their icons disappear, usually the same ones each time. It acts like registry entries are lost. All the files and settings remain so when I reinstall those apps myself, everything works like before. If I do not reinstall them myself, the Play store automatically reinstalls them. This keeps happening most time I reboot.
Any ideas? I won't be able to download anything soon without a reset.
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Ok, first off, no root is available for the v10 H900 (At&T) if the phone has android 6.0 and up (marshmellow).
Second. 500 apps?!?!?!? Your standard app count is around 80 on the phones first boot. One problem could be a rouge app that is constantly creating files and folders.
Your storage is all in one chip and is partitioned. You system partition is set, you cant add to it, but in the event of some sort of bug, theres quite a few ways your system memory could be false reading or actually taking on extra data. So lets start some diagnostics.
1. Make a full back up of your phone. (a full wipe may be used with other steps.
2. Download and run Storage Analyzer-https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rjhartsoftware.storageanalyzer
This is going to give us a good idea of whats going on. It digs into each file of your storage. Now yes, it only reads the internal and sd storage but, those partitions may play a part in your problem.
3. Now, on that app, it will also list your total internal memory available for apps and personal files. It excludes your system. So mine shows i have 51.48gb total. So i have about 9 gigs dedicated for system, android file structures and so on. The only thing that can change system storage is the system or system apps themselves. So see if you have anything thats building up in your internal. im wondering if the partition structures are corrupt.
4.Go to general options and then storage and click internal storage, wait for it to calculate all the data. Once its done, look through and see if anything seems off or is oddly using alot of storage, then click app data and see what apps are using the most storage. We want multiple points of detail for your storages, thats why we are looking at your storage usage through many different ways.
5. If you notice something very low like your apps usage, that might be a clue. Because my system usage is apparently capped at 4.5 gigs with 700 mb of free space. Your system should not read 24 gigs.
I know you may have already covered some of this, but there is reason to my insanity so just go with it and PM me there results of your findings. Just include anything that you didnt initially see in your first try at figuring it out. I may have a fix but need to be sure of your results first.