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The Upcoming Motorola Droid Lineup's Gaming Capabilities

I'm very interested in the potential gaming performances of the upcoming Motorola devices, in light of the fact many people are less than excited for their releases due to their non cutting-edge specs.
The Droid MAXX, Droid Ultra and Droid Mini are all confirmed to be equipped with Motorola's new X8 Mobile Computing System, and the Motorola X is almost guaranteed to come with it as well.
The X8 consists of 8 cores, and they are categorized as:
- 2 application processor cores
- 4 graphics processor cores
- 1 contextual computing processor core
- 1 natural processor core
The overall X8 MCS is exciting for a variety of reasons, with the main one being that because of the highly custom and optimized system, the battery will enjoy a heavily increased lifespan. The gaming capabilities, however, are of course the main focus of this thread.
This is what Motorola has to say about the graphics processor cores:
"Four powerful graphics processors each running at 400 MHz delivering 3.2 million pixel fill rate,16 shader units, 512kb dedicated cached memory and running the Egypt performance benchmark at a blazing 155 frames per second (FPS). Fully compliant with Android Project Butter."
Being (apparently) based off the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, the X8 comes with an Adreno 320 GPU.
For a comparison, here are the results of other comparable devices tackling the Egypt GLBenchmark 2.5:
Galaxy S4 - 40 FPS; HTC One - 32 FPS; Optimus G Pro - 27 FPS; Nexus 4 - 44 FPS.
Just ignore the 1080p and 720p aspects here. True, the Nexus 4 cruises through thanks to its 720p display requiring less work. However, this only serves to enhance the X8's power; while it has an Adreno 320 just like all the devices listed above except for the S4, it completely blows them out of the water - all the upcoming Motorola devices will have a 720p display. I know we're talking on a synthetic level here and that real world performance can differ, but surely this is too big a difference to brush aside like that?
What do you guys think? Is there really more to the Motorola X and and new Droid lineup than meets the eye, for those who look at it purely from a specs perspective?
For all the information, this is the link I used: http://www.androidauthority.com/mot...guage-processing-contextual-computing-247346/

Yeah, the thing about upcoming Motorola phones is, that their graphic chips are not midrange at all. Based on benchmarks they are elite. That's similar to Apple strategy - people say their specs are nothing special, but in fact their graphics is far superior compared to Android devices.

Sounds something like Amiga did in the 90's with dedicated chips for various things, alleviating the need for hefty CPU's as the load was shared between the specialist chips - watching the news/reviews on this with interest.

what about the battery life
I think it needs 5000mAh battery:laugh:

ASMI1 said:
what about the battery life
I think it needs 5000mAh battery:laugh:
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Hopefully the battery won't be too much of a problem. The Nexus 4's battery life is probably its weakest point (2100mAh), and the Moto X (as an example) is speculated to be coming with a 2200 mAh battery, and also has a 4.7 inch 720p display. Bear in mind, however, that Moto X has the custom X8 system optimised for battery life, and has a dual-core CPU as opposed to quad-core.

Beplexor said:
Hopefully the battery won't be too much of a problem. The Nexus 4's battery life is probably its weakest point (2100mAh), and the Moto X (as an example) is speculated to be coming with a 2200 mAh battery, and also has a 4.7 inch 720p display. Bear in mind, however, that Moto X has the custom X8 system optimised for battery life, and has a dual-core CPU as opposed to quad-core.
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Yup, but I think with an app like greenify the battery life won't be a problem anymore (or you can reduce the screen density, this help too much)

One thing i've been trying to figure out: Does it come with 4 adreno 320's? Because I have not found any sources that say 1 adreno 320 has 4 cores. Does anyone have a source for this info?

Beplexor said:
I'm very interested in the potential gaming performances of the upcoming Motorola devices, in light of the fact many people are less than excited for their releases due to their non cutting-edge specs.
The Droid MAXX, Droid Ultra and Droid Mini are all confirmed to be equipped with Motorola's new X8 Mobile Computing System, and the Motorola X is almost guaranteed to come with it as well.
The X8 consists of 8 cores, and they are categorized as:
- 2 application processor cores
- 4 graphics processor cores
- 1 contextual computing processor core
- 1 natural processor core
The overall X8 MCS is exciting for a variety of reasons, with the main one being that because of the highly custom and optimized system, the battery will enjoy a heavily increased lifespan. The gaming capabilities, however, are of course the main focus of this thread.
This is what Motorola has to say about the graphics processor cores:
"Four powerful graphics processors each running at 400 MHz delivering 3.2 million pixel fill rate,16 shader units, 512kb dedicated cached memory and running the Egypt performance benchmark at a blazing 155 frames per second (FPS). Fully compliant with Android Project Butter."
Being (apparently) based off the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, the X8 comes with an Adreno 320 GPU.
For a comparison, here are the results of other comparable devices tackling the Egypt GLBenchmark 2.5:
Galaxy S4 - 40 FPS; HTC One - 32 FPS; Optimus G Pro - 27 FPS; Nexus 4 - 44 FPS.
Just ignore the 1080p and 720p aspects here. True, the Nexus 4 cruises through thanks to its 720p display requiring less work. However, this only serves to enhance the X8's power; while it has an Adreno 320 just like all the devices listed above except for the S4, it completely blows them out of the water - all the upcoming Motorola devices will have a 720p display. I know we're talking on a synthetic level here and that real world performance can differ, but surely this is too big a difference to brush aside like that?
What do you guys think? Is there really more to the Motorola X and and new Droid lineup than meets the eye, for those who look at it purely from a specs perspective?
For all the information, this is the link I used: http://www.androidauthority.com/mot...guage-processing-contextual-computing-247346/
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Independent benchmarks of the Moto X (same X8) indicate that the "155 fps egpt benchmark" score has a typo. Specifically a freaking addition of a 1.
The moto X got 55 fps on that test. Sure it's enough to beat the S4 and One on graphics specs, but that's still false freaking advertising. Those are old phones (in smartphones 6 months is a whole product cycle).
Guess all the people *****ing about specs were correct.
here's the benchmarks. pathetic. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...he-moto-x-sports-a-great-gpu-respectable-cpu/

Snapdragon 801 vs 615/6752 64 bit?

So here is my problem, I'm in need of a new smartphone to replace my Lg 4x hd and plan on spending up to 350€ and I'm really on the fence on where to go:
Last year's 32 bit 801 (in the likes of OnePlus/mi4, etc) or this year's mid-range 64-bit (snap 615, Nubia Z9 mini/Lenovo Vibe Shot)? My new phone would have to last another 2/3 years, and I like to use the phone for all it can provide being it features, switching ROMS and trying new things or games.
Is the performance of the 801 so much better than this 64-bits in Lollipop and eventually M that it won´t make a difference whether it's 32 or 647 bit in 2 years time? Or Will be missing on something for not having a 64 bit processor in the short term?
Thanks for any opinions / discussion

No one has a comment?

tasanhalas said:
So here is my problem, I'm in need of a new smartphone to replace my Lg 4x hd and plan on spending up to 350€ and I'm really on the fence on where to go:
Last year's 32 bit 801 (in the likes of OnePlus/mi4, etc) or this year's mid-range 64-bit (snap 615, Nubia Z9 mini/Lenovo Vibe Shot)? My new phone would have to last another 2/3 years, and I like to use the phone for all it can provide being it features, switching ROMS and trying new things or games.
Is the performance of the 801 so much better than this 64-bits in Lollipop and eventually M that it won´t make a difference whether it's 32 or 647 bit in 2 years time? Or Will be missing on something for not having a 64 bit processor in the short term?
Thanks for any opinions / discussion
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The 801 is certianly superior in GPU, it destroys the Adreno 405. The CPU of the ARMv8 615 will get you better battery life and similar processing speed and could even go faster once devs go full 64 bit. 801 is still the better chipset even if it is older, the GPU makes the difference.

LeTV 1S 'Flagship Killer' Specs and Rundown

With much fanfare, LeTV announced its new flagship flagship-killer product, the LeTV 1s. Building on the success of its first product, the LeTV one that packed a octacore processor into an “budget” priced phone, the LeTV 1S improves on the winning formula. The most visible upgrade is the full metal unibody, a technology that allows the phone to be more durable and more compact – in fact they claim it cuts down the thickness of phone by 2mm. The second biggest change is the inclusion of a ultra responsive finger print reader on the back face of the phone – a design that is featured on other flagships like the LG G4. The other upgrades are more incremental – the screen has been upgrade to improve brightness, the camera has been upgraded to improve responsiveness, and the CPU is now 10% faster.
A feature that sounds really promising is their fast charge feature that is enabled with their new USB Type-C cable – a feature that could cut the time to charge the phone. LeTV claims that 3 hours of talk time could be obtained with just a 5 minutes charge. This sounds amazing if it works as advertised!
Whilst all these features sound great, they don’t deserve the “Flagship Killer” title. LeTV has a solution for that too – a huge price cut. Instead of selling this phone at the same price of the previous model, the chose to cut its price by 1/3, dropping the 1699 RMB price tag to a mere 1099RMB (172 USD). This seemly suicidal strategy has only been used by Amazon with their Kindle Fire tablets and have never been seen on a mobile phone. This phone is now priced at the Budget price point, but the performance and build is Samsung S6 level. It seems that LeTV is definitely looking at selling aftersale services such as their TV service to make their profit.
LeTV 1S Full Specs:
CPU : MediaTek helio X10 Turbo 8core 64bit ( 8×A53 )
GPU PowerVR G6200
RAM: 3GB LPDDR3 RAM
Back Camera: 13Megapixel F2.0, 4K recording
Front Camera: 5 Megapixel
Supports Bluetooth 4.0 (with apt-x)
Modem support: TD-LTE, FDD-LTE, WCDMA
More information could be found at:
http://www.lemall.com/le_1s.html

How to buy a phone?

How do you buy your phone? You go through the specs? Did you ever feel like your specs (10 core processor, 2GHz, 4GB RAM or so) is not fast enough? Because you go through buying process all wrong. Yeah!
When buying you don't only look at the specs,
You take a look at SoC and then compare SoCs and GPUs on a specific website. Just like comparing Helio X20, a deca core processor with Snapdragon 820, a quad core processor. At a glance you might think MTK will kill the SD, on deep comparison you can find that Helio is using 32bit databus (so the 64bit arch is a joke since it isn't being fully used) while Snapdragon is full 64bit processor with 64bit databus
As far as I know, data bus matters more than anything. Because it is the thing that carries instructions and processed data to your other modules. A twice larger data bus means it will transfer data at twice rate and will be 2x faster
Now checking the board arch, X20 is still 20-28nm tech, while SD820 is 14nm arch. Smaller number means it will heat a lot lesser than other, with that said; you can increase frequency on SD with a huge margin without frying your components. Same goes with GPU, cores aren't all
So the RAM? Bigger is better? Nah, check it's bus too, 64bit RAM is twice the speed of 32bit. Also check the frequency of RAM (trust me you would not want a RAM that operates at the speed of SD card,
Camera, more MP is better? No
First off, check its min and max ISO, more range is better, check it's module's name, Sony IMX series is a killer. There are also numeric divisions in IMX series; bigger number's better. Check camera the same way you check SoC, that if it has OIS etc for aperture, lower value is better (higher technically since it is the denominator, that is f/1.9 is better than f/2.0
About the display, never come under 380dpi, that would shatter your pixels. And the battery life, more ampere rating doesn't mean it would last more, 5.5" 1080p 3000mAh would last lesser than 5" 720p 2200mAh (ideal conditions)
Now that isn't the only thing, OS matters too, Bluetooth and GPS modules matter too, LP modules are best for power saving
Check website: http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com
Sorry if my English skills aren't up to the mark

Can I install lineage os, ubuntu touch or openeuler os on my cheap tablet that I bought?

Hello, I bought this cheap tablet from the internet yesterday. The software of the tablet is very slow and the screen hurts my eyes. Android go 10 is installed on the tablet. Its processor is allwinner a133 quad-core, its graphics processor is Mali-400 MP GPU.
iXtech IX1013 32 GB - 10.1 '' Tablet - SİYAH Fiyatı, Özellikleri ve Ürün İncelemesi - incelesek.com
En Ucuz iXtech IX1013 32 GB - 10.1 '' Tablet - SİYAH detaylı özelliklerini inceleyin, benzer ürünlerle fiyat karşılaştırmaları yapın, ürün incelemelerini ve yorumlarını okuyun ve en uygun fiyatı siz bulun
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If each custom rom is coded specifically for the device, it is said to be easy. How do I code a custom rom for this tablet?

If an Android device shows poor performance then it's never caused by the Linux kernel nor the Android OS but the built-in hardware ( e.g 2GB RAM only )

The mali 400 gpu was released around 2011 and the allwinner cpus dont have much support for custom rom development , the fact that it shipped with android go may be helping the tablet but is just basic hardware designed for very basic use , that combination is not good for multitasking or gaming .
If your eyes are hurting try using a blue light filter app and play around with the brightness and the font size. If it is the quality of the panel itslef that force your eyes then theres not much left to do

ThatLatinGuy said:
The mali 400 gpu was released around 2011 and the allwinner cpus dont have much support for custom rom development , the fact that it shipped with android go may be helping the tablet but is just basic hardware designed for very basic use , that combination is not good for multitasking or gaming .
If your eyes are hurting try using a blue light filter app and play around with the brightness and the font size. If it is the quality of the panel itslef that force your eyes then theres not much left to do
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I actually regretted it after I bought it. just had the tcl tab 10S for a little extra money. I deliberately bought a cheap tablet. Things like phones and tablets are hurting my eyes and tiring my brain. I'm constantly playing with the screen settings, such as light brightness and saturation. I had lasik Eye surgery and it started to deteriorate again. I'm hesitant chinese used cheap screen on their tablets

It says power vr ge8300 on the box, they may have written a lie for the graphics processor. maybe it was used on laptops at first, then the same could be applied to mobile devices by reducing the size.
for laptop
PowerVR GE8300 GPU - Benchmarks and Specs
Specifications and benchmarks of the PowerVR GE8300 GPU.
www.notebookcheck.net
for mobile devices
Imagination PowerVR GE8300 Graphics Card Benchmarks and Specs - GadgetVersus
Imagination PowerVR GE8300 graphics card benchmarks and specs, with the number of execution units, shading units, cache, memory, the power consumption, the lithography, the architecture, the generation, as well as the performances.
gadgetversus.com