I've been running AOSP ROM's for years now, and have come to be kinda.... bored with them. They all generally have the exact same features, look very much alike. I found myself really liking the LG skin. The launcher and icons are sharp looking, and I like the geometric sharpness of the stock icons (if that makes sense).
I already have g3 Tweaksbox installed, as well as a few other xposed mods, but I was curious if anyone was working on a ROM with stuff like that baked right in it. When I had my S3 there were a ton of touchwiz ROM's with a lot of that baked in and they seemed to work better than just having an xposed mod do the work.
Hopefully when lg releases lollipop!
I'm getting this phone today after being with iphone for 2 years and I am amazed to see the lack of development with it being such a kick ass phone. I came from the HTC Evo 3D era where you had hundreds of roms/customizations to choose from. This phone has been out for about 6 months and there is less than 10 roms available with a lot of them dropped and/or locked.
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I'm getting this phone today after being with iphone for 2 years and I am amazed to see the lack of development with it being such a kick ass phone. I came from the HTC Evo 3D era where you had hundreds of roms/customizations to choose from. This phone has been out for about 6 months and there is less than 10 roms available with a lot of them dropped and/or locked.
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I didn't have that phone, but a quick google search leads me to believe that while the phone was released in June of 2011, it wasn't unlocked until November of 2011. So I bet there was little to no ROM support during the first 6 months of that phone's life either. Funny how our memory works.......
But you have three choices.....
1) Learn Android and become a developer yourself. That would be great because you would be contributing to the community instead of just taking from it.....
2) Get another phone that has a larger developer community already.....
3) Shut up and be patient. Complaining about the lack of developer support is just rude and unhelpful.......
Lack of development...... We have a a lot going on ... And its all happened recently.
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I didn't have that phone, but a quick google search leads me to believe that while the phone was released in June of 2011, it wasn't unlocked until November of 2011. So I bet there was little to no ROM support during the first 6 months of that phone's life either. Funny how our memory works.......
But you have three choices.....
1) Learn Android and become a developer yourself. That would be great because you would be contributing to the community instead of just taking from it.....
2) Get another phone that has a larger developer community already.....
3) Shut up and be patient. Complaining about the lack of developer support is just rude and unhelpful.......
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YES!!! If the person complaining had bothered to read through, they would have seen that the phone has only recently been able to have the bootloader bypassed. Obviously the 2 years they have been away from the android world has dulled the senses and understanding of how things work.
For the timeframe, there is lots of development going on. I personally am enjoying the stock rom having come from a Sammy phone and I find the stock LG experience currently enjoyable (after rooting and removing bloat of course). I have no issues waiting on development to progress, but I will keep watching and reading.
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I'm getting this phone today after being with iphone for 2 years and I am amazed to see the lack of development with it being such a kick ass phone. I came from the HTC Evo 3D era where you had hundreds of roms/customizations to choose from. This phone has been out for about 6 months and there is less than 10 roms available with a lot of them dropped and/or locked.
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But, you have to remember that back in those days a lot of features that were offered in those custom ROMs have now made it to AOSP... thus eliminating the desire for custom variations.
An installation of pure Android 5.0 is extremely feature filled and very fast. I'd say the real lack is the camera (still!!!), but it's not too terribly bad.
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But, you have to remember that back in those days a lot of features that were offered in those custom ROMs have now made it to AOSP... thus eliminating the desire for custom variations.
An installation of pure Android 5.0 is extremely feature filled and very fast. I'd say the real lack is the camera (still!!!), but it's not too terribly bad.
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You're right. Actually, the reason I was saying there was a lack of development is because I was only looking in the At&t section. Back in the Evo 3D days, there was only one development section. Now they have split it up into the different carriers and android or original. Is the problem with the camera you are talking about through custom or stock roms? I took a picture today with the G3 and it looks beautiful compared to my crappy Iphone 5. Which ROM is the most complete up until now?
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You're right. Actually, the reason I was saying there was a lack of development is because I was only looking in the At&t section. Back in the Evo 3D days, there was only one development section. Now they have split it up into the different carriers and android or original. Is the problem with the camera you are talking about through custom or stock roms? I took a picture today with the G3 and it looks beautiful compared to my crappy Iphone 5. Which ROM is the most complete up until now?
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I'm pretty sure he's referring to AOSP based roms camera apps. You see, there isn't yet a way to bring the full potential of our G3's camera to an AOSP based rom. If you want superb camera quality like the G3 can deliver, stick to LG stock based ROMS.
As for a "more complete" rom until now, it's a bit more complex to answer. Many custom roms offer great features, but if you're looking for stability and getting the best out of your G3's camera or features, I would stay with a stock based ROM like Cloudy's. Check LG G3 Android Dev forums for that one. As for smoothness and latest features on Android, a Lollipop AOSP based custom rom would be cool.
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You're right. Actually, the reason I was saying there was a lack of development is because I was only looking in the At&t section. Back in the Evo 3D days, there was only one development section. Now they have split it up into the different carriers and android or original. Is the problem with the camera you are talking about through custom or stock roms? I took a picture today with the G3 and it looks beautiful compared to my crappy Iphone 5. Which ROM is the most complete up until now?
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I understand where you are coming from now. There are several reasons why the threads are differentiated by carrier and international models. One is due to hardware and drivers. Others include such things as carrier specific mods. By separating, it lessens the potential for bricking phones and various other issues. I'm sure there is much more.
AOSP ROMs have never delivered the camera performance I want so I stick to molded stock.
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i come from note 2 then g2....they both had super developers support....... i feel so bad now such a great phone, such a great hardware ..... but.....
What are you looking for exactly? Do you want a ROM just for the sake of having a ROM? I can honestly respect that if it's what you're looking for. Otherwise, I think we have a lot of options to work around a lot of things these days that just weren't available a few years ago. I also think the argument of Touchwiz and the LG UI are very different from Sony's fairly light customizations.
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What are you looking for exactly? Do you want a ROM just for the sake of having a ROM? I can honestly respect that if it's what you're looking for. Otherwise, I think we have a lot of options to work around a lot of things these days that just weren't available a few years ago. I also think the argument of Touchwiz and the LG UI are very different from Sony's fairly light customizations.
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I kinda agree with greatgrandking. I come from HTC phones and I've used to be a big fan for years. I've got Z3 for my wife and I will get Z4 (or Z3 if Z4 doesn't have microSD) for myself soon because none of the flagships have band support of Z3 Dual.
What I have noticed with Z3 though is minimal custom ROM development. I guess mainly because the phone is fairly new still and I assume that people are not so crazy about unlocking bootloader as is common in HTC land.
I do agree that Sony's UI is not that heavy, however, the number of additional features and customizations available trough ROM development will never make me satisfied with stock ROM for too long.
I come from a HTC One M7, have custom-rom'd the sh** out of it and i'm pretty happy with the Z3 so far, the only thing i'm missing is root.. I COULD root it, but i don't want to yet. By the way, my One had CM12 / Android 5.0.1 on it and i'm hardly missing a feature on the Z3 yet.
Take a look at the razr i, i was so disappointed of the lacking developer support.. But mainly because i was stuck with an old android version and an impractical interface. My HTC Desire HD needed developer support because HTC gave a sh** about android 4 back then. My One M7 needed developer support because of the heavy interface with few possible modifications. The Z3 is the first phone that is great without custom roms. Also, i wouldn't want anything beside stock based roms due to the camera app..
That is the only reason y I haven't unlocked bootloader yet is due to sonys camrea software.
There is not development because there is no root. People don't want to unlock their bootloaders without make a TA backup first.
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What are you looking for exactly? Do you want a ROM just for the sake of having a ROM? I can honestly respect that if it's what you're looking for. Otherwise, I think we have a lot of options to work around a lot of things these days that just weren't available a few years ago. I also think the argument of Touchwiz and the LG UI are very different from Sony's fairly light customizations.
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i just want a liquidsmooth kitkat milestone and a brilliant kernal alongside.....phablet ui......(if im given that i'll be more than happy, i wouldn't even crave lilipop then).....i want viper4android or dsp manager.... or any stock based rom with superb audio and a brilliant kernal ...... and use the camera at 20mp with superior auto.... im missing xposed framework .... i want to customized each n everything. im stuck
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There is not development because there is no root. People don't want to unlock their bootloaders without make a TA backup first.
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i know and that sucks
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There is not development because there is no root. People don't want to unlock their bootloaders without make a TA backup first.
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I haven't rooted yet because there isn't a decent AOSP rom as of today and the benefits of rooting don't outweigh the negatives of losing the DRM keys. As soon as we have a working AOSP rom, especially Lollipop, I'll root right away, with or without DRM key backup. It'll be worth for me then.
I'm choosing my new phone and the one think that bothers me of the Z3 (except the badly assembled unities) is the lack of development and I just can't see a reason.
I see really few roms and most of them are just stock with some tweaks.
I don't want to immediately change it, but I cannot understand the reason why
Just conjecturing here, but maybe it's because the camera doesn't have the same functionality on a custom rom, and I know at least I'm perfectly satisfied with stock and Xposed.
Stock is awsome.
We [SONY users] like to keep it simple.
because there is no real need for all those custom roms, most of the custom roms for devices are aosp based with 1 or 2 different tweaks/changes, stock sony does everything it needs to
As others already said, usually custom ROMS are made for better battery, themes, customization but the stock ROM gives you 2 day battery, the official ROM is as close to stock Android as an OEM can get. and with xposed modules and all the mods available, you can customize to your hearts content and basically have a custom ROM of your own.
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As others already said, usually custom ROMS are made for better battery, themes, customization but the stock ROM gives you 2 day battery, the official ROM is as close to stock Android as an OEM can get. and with xposed modules and all the mods available, you can customize to your hearts content and basically have a custom ROM of your own.
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I agree with your view. There is no need to have AOSP roms like with Samsung and LG.
Having said that, pure AOSP is cleaner from a design perspective and CM/PA/Omni are even better than Sony from customization and features.
In my opinion the fact that the Z3 is not selling like other flagship (unfortunately) is attracting less devs.
The initial lack of root with locked bootloader (and linked full go back to stock fall back) slowed down the appetite for modding on this device.
If the Z4/Z5/Z3+ will not be launched soon, I think we'll have a solid H2 2015 in term of roms.
Two reasons I can think of:
1) Sony's stock firmware is awesome, so some developers just get lazy and stay on stock because it's one of the few stock firmwares they can tolerate. I'm one of the founders of Omni, and my Z3 holds the record for the longest time I've ever stayed on stock. I'm working with the Sony AOSP team on bugfixes, eventually Omni will be coming based on Sony's AOSP work
2) While Sony does a GREAT job of supporting community developers, the fact that they have that stupid 6-month release cycle for flagships spreads things thin. Some people have the Z2, some have the Z3, some still have a Z1 and are happy with it and see no reason to upgrade. It didn't help that in some countries, Sony took so long to release devices that the next device was already announced. (Z3 was the first device released in a timely fashion in the USA, and that was still a 1-2 month delay.)
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You said that CM is better then SONY stock.
That' s a LOL everytime and everywhere.
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Understood.
I made my post clearer.
"Having said that, pure AOSP is cleaner from a design perspective and CM/PA/Omni are even better than Sony from customization and features."
You can say everything good about Sony roms (and I do like them) but the fact that CM/Omni has more options to customize and make the device to fit more your needs, is a given IMHO. With some caveat unfortunately (camera quality, battery life.........).
Wait for @Entropy512 to finish his job and you'll never go back to stock!!!!
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Two reasons I can think of:
1) Sony's stock firmware is awesome, so some developers just get lazy and stay on stock because it's one of the few stock firmwares they can tolerate. I'm one of the founders of Omni, and my Z3 holds the record for the longest time I've ever stayed on stock. I'm working with the Sony AOSP team on bugfixes, eventually Omni will be coming based on Sony's AOSP work
2) While Sony does a GREAT job of supporting community developers, the fact that they have that stupid 6-month release cycle for flagships spreads things thin. Some people have the Z2, some have the Z3, some still have a Z1 and are happy with it and see no reason to upgrade. It didn't help that in some countries, Sony took so long to release devices that the next device was already announced. (Z3 was the first device released in a timely fashion in the USA, and that was still a 1-2 month delay.)
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Agreed!
And you point nr 2 equal to a lower commercial success than other flagship.
LG G2 and Galaxy S3 (with its infamous Exynos silicon) had a much better AOSP based roms than the Z3 in the first 8 months of its commercial life.
3.10 Kernel Omni 5.1.1 has to come to the Z3!!! And of course I'm not asking for an ETA!! :crying::crying::crying:
Guys keep it simple.
Tre truth is, Omni rom, pa, cm, any other gives you more control, this is true.
But its also true that sony stock rom is among the best in smartphone world, honestly i tried many custom roms on Xperia Neo, Arc, Arc s, S, Z1, Z3...but always ended to use stock one. Why?. Keep it simple, i like minimalistic sony stock rom, animation and it has all i need. And this thought is shared by many.
If you need few more things, root and instal exposed, there is no need for custom roms.
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Guys keep it simple.
Tre truth is, Omni rom, pa, cm, any other gives you more control, this is true.
But its also true that sony stock rom is among the best in smartphone world, honestly i tried many custom roms on Xperia Neo, Arc, Arc s, S, Z1, Z3...but always ended to use stock one. Why?. Keep it simple, i like minimalistic sony stock rom, animation and it has all i need. And this thought is shared by many.
If you need few more things, root and instal exposed, there is no need for custom roms.
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Agreed.
My only concern is that AOSP has some better element from a style prospective (dialer, settings, contacts).
They could have stick with that style fully and add their useful stuff.
This is the only reason why I'm after a good rom, but in a very relaxed way as I like stock rom a lot.
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This may be unrelated but since Sony is releasing AOSP drivers. How is the camera quality on custom roms compared to stock? As I understood they also released drivers for camera right? Low light of course won't work since it requires DRM but how about on daylight, is the picture quality of custom roms the same with stock?
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infinitylook said:
This may be unrelated but since Sony is releasing AOSP drivers. How is the camera quality on custom roms compared to stock? As I understood they also released drivers for camera right? Low light of course won't work since it requires DRM but how about on daylight, is the picture quality of custom roms the same with stock?
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Unfortunately camera is the worst part so far. Quality is lower than stock and it produces (regardless the camera app) a fisheye like distortion.
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The understanding I have is that currently right now, since the camera sensor is pretty much shared with everything from 4.3 onwards, CM is using the same 4.3 HALs for all shinano/rhine variants with the IMX220 due to the various issues with 4.4 and later HAL blobs on many devices. cdesai found what is likely the key issue behind 4.4/newer HALs totally failing on locked devices, but there's potentially a more "ideal" solution being worked on that hasn't been released yet so cdesai stopped working on that to focus on other stuff. (As I understand it, you can blame lawyers for it taking longer than we'd hope...)
The Z3 has the same sensor but slightly different optics than the Z2/Z1 - as a result, the camera HALs work but have focusing/distortion issues because they assume the wrong lens. (Smartphone optical systems need heavy vignetting/distortion correction by the HAL.)
If that "ideal" solution doesn't materialize by the time I fix the other higher-priority issues with z3 on my TODO list, I'm going to attempt to continue cdesai's work using 5.0 HALs that are device-specific.
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The understanding I have is that currently right now, since the camera sensor is pretty much shared with everything from 4.3 onwards, CM is using the same 4.3 HALs for all shinano/rhine variants with the IMX220 due to the various issues with 4.4 and later HAL blobs on many devices. cdesai found what is likely the key issue behind 4.4/newer HALs totally failing on locked devices, but there's potentially a more "ideal" solution being worked on that hasn't been released yet so cdesai stopped working on that to focus on other stuff. (As I understand it, you can blame lawyers for it taking longer than we'd hope...)
The Z3 has the same sensor but slightly different optics than the Z2/Z1 - as a result, the camera HALs work but have focusing/distortion issues because they assume the wrong lens. (Smartphone optical systems need heavy vignetting/distortion correction by the HAL.)
If that "ideal" solution doesn't materialize by the time I fix the other higher-priority issues with z3 on my TODO list, I'm going to attempt to continue cdesai's work using 5.0 HALs that are device-specific.
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That's great to hear.
Can you list what are the otherwise bugs you're working on?
Thanks.
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vittogn said:
That's great to hear.
Can you list what are the otherwise bugs you're working on?
Thanks.
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Z3 AOSP (and Omni):
Pixel corruption on AUO panels
Issues with Bluetooth reconnection on BF64 kernel (walk out of range of the phone with a Moto 360 and it won't reconnect until you reboot.)
General Omni:
CAF av/native ifdefing (this nightmare is the one thing blocking nightlies)
Preliminary work on a new theme engine more capable than Layers but still much lighter weight than CMTE.
One reason not mentioned in this thread in support of custom ROMs is the ability to not have any gapps. Despite how good the stock UI is, an AOSP based rom will be required if you want extra privacy.
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Z3 AOSP (and Omni):
Pixel corruption on AUO panels
Issues with Bluetooth reconnection on BF64 kernel (walk out of range of the phone with a Moto 360 and it won't reconnect until you reboot.)
General Omni:
CAF av/native ifdefing (this nightmare is the one thing blocking nightlies)
Preliminary work on a new theme engine more capable than Layers but still much lighter weight than CMTE.
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That doesn't sound bad at all!!
Is pixel corruption the fish-eye camera bug?
Hope to hear for a bug free Omni soon.
Is the recenlty announced Sony recovery support going to help you guys or it will be just a better flashing experience for end users?
Thanks.
vittogn said:
That doesn't sound bad at all!!
Is pixel corruption the fish-eye camera bug?
Hope to hear for a bug free Omni soon.
Is the recenlty announced Sony recovery support going to help you guys or it will be just a better flashing experience for end users?
Thanks.
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Makes everyone's lives easier.
And the pixel corruption is a display issue, specific to 3.10 kernels and the Z3. Fixes have been identified for Sharp and JDI panels, but AUO panels are harder. (In general, there are a lot of issues with 3.10 and command mode panels. All sirius panel definitions were for video mode, leo has 5 panel definitions - command and video for sharp and JDI, but only a command mode timing definition for AUO panels. So we need to either figure out why command mode panels are so funky - we've made a lot of progress but not fixed everything, or we need to reverse engineer a proper video mode timing definition for AUO panels.)
I haven't even started on camera. I hate cellphone cameras so I've basically lived without any camera at all on my z3 for the past two months. If I really want to share a picture from my phone - that's what my a6000's wifi is for.
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Makes everyone's lives easier.
And the pixel corruption is a display issue, specific to 3.10 kernels and the Z3. Fixes have been identified for Sharp and JDI panels, but AUO panels are harder. (In general, there are a lot of issues with 3.10 and command mode panels. All sirius panel definitions were for video mode, leo has 5 panel definitions - command and video for sharp and JDI, but only a command mode timing definition for AUO panels. So we need to either figure out why command mode panels are so funky - we've made a lot of progress but not fixed everything, or we need to reverse engineer a proper video mode timing definition for AUO panels.)
I haven't even started on camera. I hate cellphone cameras so I've basically lived without any camera at all on my z3 for the past two months. If I really want to share a picture from my phone - that's what my a6000's wifi is for.
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Thanks for the update. I sold my 5d for an a6000 because of portability.
I don't consider phones as camera alternatives, but they are better and better and you always have your phone with you. The Z3 sensor and lenses combination deserve a good treatment!
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The phone is about 6 months old now and we barely have root available. Are developers just not interested in the Xperia 5? I was really hoping for someone to come around and fix the fingerprint scanner issue and maybe release an unofficial LineageOS. What are your thoughts on this?
I believe it's due to a lack of TWRP and root on Android 10, especially on Sony devices. Could also be that devs are on older devices and not on the 1 or 5.
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I believe it's due to a lack of TWRP and root on Android 10, especially on Sony devices. Could also be that devs are on older devices and not on the 1 or 5.
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To be honest, this is My first Device ever which isn't that much bloated with 3rd Party Apps from a OEM and other Stuff. Pretty clean Google like with smart additions. Good perfroming and with awesome Battery Life. Sound is awesome compared to previous SONY Devices over the Speakers and Root isn't a problem since You can edit Your Kernel Image with Magisk App even without TWRP. So at the end aren't there any efforts anymore to get TWRP (There was one on the Xperia 1 Forums that did not work right). Think that could be a thing once the new Xperia 1 (2) or even the next comes really out with new Software Gimmicks to port over or once we get outdated with official Updates from SONY (GSI/AOSP Development). I don't see a reason besides a Magisk Module with small additions and tweaks to make a Stock ROM for example atm. and to be honest again. Someone de-motivated me a bit some time ago with developing for SONY Devices. But who knows, maybe am i at least starting something again for the 1 and 5 Series (Don't know anything about a new 5 Model yet) if i get some free time again. Just use My Xperia 5 as daily atm. with a Module Prototype ported from My last Project...
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I hope development picks up soon. Its a brilliant phone. Would love to have LineageOS on it.
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I hope development picks up soon. Its a brilliant phone. Would love to have LineageOS on it.
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I have my doubts because the last Sony phones that had decent development were the XZ1 and XZ1C. XZ2, XZ3, and 1 had little to no development.