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Now sony official release the update upcoming to Xperia devices for 4.3 update..
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Last week you probably saw Google announce Android version 4.4; Kit Kat…
We’ve seen lots of questions on our Android upgrade roadmap and equally, we have lots to tell you, so here’s a note on just that…
First up, Jelly Bean 4.3
We’re pleased to tell you that we’ll start rolling Android 4.3 for Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia SP, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1 from next month*.
We also mentioned that a few of our products would be jumping software version – so, we can confirm that Xperia T, Xperia TX and Xperia V* will be upgraded to Android Jelly Bean 4.3… also from next month.
And, to Kit Kat 4.4
We’re also happy to tell you about the first raft of Xperia products that we’ll make Android 4.4 Kit Kat available for – they are: Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1*.
On that, please stay tuned to the social newsroom and @SonyMobileNews, where we’ll update you with specific info on product upgrade timings & software features as things progress.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop them below.
*Software rollouts are a phased process – timings & availability may vary by market / carrier
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So XL is not getting 4.3...what a surprise.At least now I know that Sony support on mid-range and low-end devices is crap....the only big thing they did for us was to update to 4.2.2,however this update also have bugs so I don't see any difference between sony official support and custom rom.If someone doesn't start to work on a CM soon we'll be stuck with this 4.2.2 until we can manage to get a new phone....sony mid range phone?never again
Well, wrath of users was expected and even I wanted Sony to give 4.3 or 4.4 update.
But seriously have you even seen a mid-range phone getting more than one android version update? I think the answer is NO.
Sony has still handled Xperia L quite well and we should patiently wait for bug fix update of our latest 4.2.2 build.
And don't lose hope on CM ever, its just a matter of time. Even development of my other awesome phone(HTC Explorer) started after a lot of time and now it has fully working CM10.2. See, the phone was launched with 2.3 and was completely abandoned by HTC but it has one of the best developments for legacy devices. So, don't lose hope and keep calm.
Lol... I'm switching to Google nexus.. Sony can go **** themselves. It's stupid that they're not bothered to release atleast 4.3 when our phone was released just about 6 months ago, just wow.
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joel113- said:
Lol... I'm switching to Google nexus.. Sony can go **** themselves. It's stupid that they're not bothered to release atleast 4.3 when our phone was released just about 6 months ago, just wow.
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Yea, next time will be nexus...
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joel113- said:
Lol... I'm switching to Google nexus.. Sony can go **** themselves. It's stupid that they're not bothered to release atleast 4.3 when our phone was released just about 6 months ago, just wow.
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Well, Nexus does give you freedom and choices of lots of custom roms. It's price is great and it's very good phone. I have Nexus 4 and I do like it. I will certainly recommend it. The only thing you need to think is how long you intend to use it. Buying the every latest devices is not very wise as you spend alot of your money for just one or two extra features.
I think to update my Nexus 7 2013 in 2015 and my Nexus 4 Next year (October 2014) while Xperia L around when it is required. I would be using it for a couple of years too I believe. Following this scheme I always have the latest device with me and I also do not spend a lot of money. (700-800 British Pounds every three year, considering that I am a Medicine Student and under a lot of loan already). Also what is more to look is that my old devices are still doing a great job. I recently installed CM 10.2(JB 4.3) in HTC Sensation and it runs just as smooth as Nexus 4/Xperia L for the matter. The software is stable and I can play HD games on 786MB RAM only.
Another point to note is that KitKat 4.4 has only been released for about a week now and I am using 4.3 on my two year old HTC sensation using Custom ROM.
Now most of manufacturers are working hard on ONLY hardware. Even phones released two years ago are doing very well till date. However, if you look into software department and games, you can still play all of latest games on these devices very smoothly. I will give you examples of HTC sensation/Incredible S, Samsung Nexus, SII or any other phone of that time with almost similar hardware. I have checked MC4/Fifa 14/Asphlat 8 personally on all of these devices. Also with KITKAT 4.4, Android has gone into a surge to speed up system by 50% and that's just beginning.
You might be wondering, the new ROMS are not available. Well actually they are but custom made. If you check out Android development of these phones, you will be surprised that many developers are giving their best to just work hard on new ROMS and they are all great.
The only drawback that I see is of Nexus devices is that it doesnot have a removable battery. This is just a big draw back for me as I keep three devices and I update each one annually so this means that I need to change my nexus after using it for around 2 years to 3 years. In this time, I need to change my battery as battery does get worn out and damaged. But I just can not easily do that although it can be done but usually nexus batteries are hard to find comparatively.
Remember to always BUY A DEVICE WHICH IS DEVELOPERS FRIENDLY. You won't find much ROMS for HTC Amaze although it has almost the same specification as HTC sensation.
About Xperia L, usually a manufacturer updates it devices for around 18 months in high end devices and around the same time for middle ranged devices or maybe 12 months. When will Kitkat be available for Xperia L? It might take a long time (first all new high end devices Z1 and Z ultra, then recent high end devices and then the lower and middle end devices)
I clearly see why there isnot a chance for Xperia L to directly jump to 4.4 or maybe this is what I am hoping to use Xperia L in the long run.
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Well, Nexus does give you freedom and choices of lots of custom roms. It's price is great and it's very good phone. I have Nexus 4 and I do like it. I will certainly recommend it. The only thing you need to think is how long you intend to use it. Buying the every latest devices is not very wise as you spend alot of your money for just one or two extra features.
I think to update my Nexus 7 2013 in 2015 and my Nexus 4 Next year (October 2014) while Xperia L around when it is required. I would be using it for a couple of years too I believe. Following this scheme I always have the latest device with me and I also do not spend a lot of money. (700-800 British Pounds every three year, considering that I am a Medicine Student and under a lot of loan already). Also what is more to look is that my old devices are still doing a great job. I recently installed CM 10.2(JB 4.3) in HTC Sensation and it runs just as smooth as Nexus 4/Xperia L for the matter. The software is stable and I can play HD games on 786MB RAM only.
Another point to note is that KitKat 4.4 has only been released for about a week now and I am using 4.3 on my two year old HTC sensation using Custom ROM.
Now most of manufacturers are working hard on ONLY hardware. Even phones released two years ago are doing very well till date. However, if you look into software department and games, you can still play all of latest games on these devices very smoothly. I will give you examples of HTC sensation/Incredible S, Samsung Nexus, SII or any other phone of that time with almost similar hardware. I have checked MC4/Fifa 14/Asphlat 8 personally on all of these devices. Also with KITKAT 4.4, Android has gone into a surge to speed up system by 50% and that's just beginning.
You might be wondering, the new ROMS are not available. Well actually they are but custom made. If you check out Android development of these phones, you will be surprised that many developers are giving their best to just work hard on new ROMS and they are all great.
The only drawback that I see is of Nexus devices is that it doesnot have a removable battery. This is just a big draw back for me as I keep three devices and I update each one annually so this means that I need to change my nexus after using it for around 2 years to 3 years. In this time, I need to change my battery as battery does get worn out and damaged. But I just can not easily do that although it can be done but usually nexus batteries are hard to find comparatively.
Remember to always BUY A DEVICE WHICH IS DEVELOPERS FRIENDLY. You won't find much ROMS for HTC Amaze although it has almost the same specification as HTC sensation.
About Xperia L, usually a manufacturer updates it devices for around 18 months in high end devices and around the same time for middle ranged devices or maybe 12 months. When will Kitkat be available for Xperia L? It might take a long time (first all new high end devices Z1 and Z ultra, then recent high end devices and then the lower and middle end devices)
I clearly see why there isnot a chance for Xperia L to directly jump to 4.4 or maybe this is what I am hoping to use Xperia L in the long run.
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Agreed
Maybe nexus 5 would be a good choice.
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About Xperia L, usually a manufacturer updates it devices for around 18 months in high end devices and around the same time for middle ranged devices or maybe 12 months. When will Kitkat be available for Xperia L? It might take a long time (first all new high end devices Z1 and Z ultra, then recent high end devices and then the lower and middle end devices)
I clearly see why there isnot a chance for Xperia L to directly jump to 4.4 or maybe this is what I am hoping to use Xperia L in the long run.
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You are right,but XL is 6-7 months old,and if mid-range device get 12 month support this makes 5-6 months support more.I think that is enough time to make 4.3(why not 4.4...) update where all the bugs that are present in 4.2.2 are fixed.
Who knows,maybe we will see bugfree update some day
How my im so suprised ! About that ,..
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joel113- said:
Agreed
Maybe nexus 5 would be a good choice.
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Buying a phone?
check this out :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47227668#post47227668
I will never buy sony phones if they won't update xperia L to 4.4 kitkat
Bye Sony!
I've got myself an Xp-L and if Sony abandons it in 4.2.2 (which very likely is), I will never buy any Sony phone, ever.
come on people. this is the 'first draft', simply meaning that these will be the first phones which will get the update. i.e sony has prioritized them. they will be working the update for these devices and then come to other phones. and if you are saying like ' i wont buy sony phone ever again' then good luck with other manufacturers mid-range devices.
I said that I won't buy Sony too...but if I think about it...Samsung makes expensive devices, LG is no better than Sony in terms of updates and hardware...and others aren't so trustworthy... So I guess I'll be sticking with Sony until I'll afford a high end device. Then I'll really have a choice.
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I just wanna say just chillax guys!! Updates will come when the right time comes! Just read this link to calm down!
http://www.androidsas.com/2013/11/the-world-will-not-see-gingerbread.html?m=1
What do you need from 4.3 or 4.4 ?
I have seen a lot of complaints here "when we will get 4.3 or 4.4) and so on and so on. My question to all of you whiners out there is as following, what do you need 4.4 or 4.3 for ? Is there something in this version that you ppl need or is it just need to have latest version of OS so that you can brag about or what ?
I uppgrade ONLY when there is a bugfix or something that I actually NEED. If it says 4.1 or 15.2 on my android has no point whatsoever in my world. What is imprtant that my does what is designed to do and Xperia XL even with 4.1 is just fine. Stop whining and actually use that phone for waht is intended for.
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I have seen a lot of complaints here "when we will get 4.3 or 4.4) and so on and so on. My question to all of you whiners out there is as following, what do you need 4.4 or 4.3 for ? Is there something in this version that you ppl need or is it just need to have latest version of OS so that you can brag about or what ?
I uppgrade ONLY when there is a bugfix or something that I actually NEED. If it says 4.1 or 15.2 on my android has no point whatsoever in my world. What is imprtant that my does what is designed to do and Xperia XL even with 4.1 is just fine. Stop whining and actually use that phone for waht is intended for.
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True! But what is going here is that if Sony can bring us the update like other phones then why not?
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I hope Xperia L get KitKat or at least 4.3 someday. If it doesn't get any update and stuck at 4.2, you Sony, will see LG/Samsung on my ****ing signature!!!
If the updates are so importants buy a nexus!!!
And then you people have the last OS android...
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Need update to fix the bug just that ! . , waste money if using a smarthphone got many bugs ,
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I am following the experimental CM 11 and the Lollipop threads, but they have lots of things that are not working yet. I am also wondering why AOSP development is not ready for users. Since the Z3 is a minor update to the Z2, shouldn't porting AOSP roms from the Z2 to the Z3 be simple? What needs to happen for us to have AOSP roms good enough for daily use?
Gaúcho comedor said:
I am following the experimental CM 11 and the Lollipop threads, but they have lots of things that are not working yet. I am also wondering why AOSP development is not ready for users. Since the Z3 is a minor update to the Z2, shouldn't porting AOSP roms from the Z2 to the Z3 be simple? What needs to happen for us to have AOSP roms good enough for daily use?
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Diferent kernel, camera and other things protected with DRM keys. Many things need to rewrite, build from source, drivers.
And no one want to put effort in kitkat aosp, everyone wait for lollipop firmware from sony and cm, to build nice rom.
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Diferent kernel, camera and other things protected with DRM keys. Many things need to rewrite, build from source, drivers.
And no one want to put effort in kitkat aosp, everyone wait for lollipop firmware from sony and cm, to build nice rom.
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Pretty much sums it up. :good:
So, can we expect it to be a popular dev-Friendly device? Because I'm using a Galaxy S4 Exynos variant and it is a mess. There are very few active devs working on it (actually only 2, that I record) and Samsung doens't care about Open Source. I have already ordered my Z3 D6643, but still time to cancel it. I know that Sony is releasing sources and binaries, but will we have sufficient and good ones devs working on it?
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So, can we expect it to be a popular dev-Friendly device? Because I'm using a Galaxy S4 Exynos variant and it is a mess. There are very few active devs working on it (actually only 2, that I record) and Samsung doens't care about Open Source. I have already ordered my Z3 D6643, but still time to cancel it. I know that Sony is releasing sources and binaries, but will we have sufficient and good ones devs working on it?
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There is FXP team, there is doomlord, there is krappabel(sorry for misspellings), and many others good devs which I can't remember right now.
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mazbot said:
So, can we expect it to be a popular dev-Friendly device? Because I'm using a Galaxy S4 Exynos variant and it is a mess. There are very few active devs working on it (actually only 2, that I record) and Samsung doens't care about Open Source. I have already ordered my Z3 D6643, but still time to cancel it. I know that Sony is releasing sources and binaries, but will we have sufficient and good ones devs working on it?
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I can't see why not. The Z3 is still very new, and not all the devs have one yet. The Z/Z1/Z2 were all very popular with devs, so I can't see why the Z3 can't be just as popular.
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There is FXP team, there is doomlord, there is krappabel(sorry for misspellings), and many others good devs which I can't remember right now.
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I can't see why not. The Z3 is still very new, and not all the devs have one yet. The Z/Z1/Z2 were all very popular with devs, so I can't see why the Z3 can't be just as popular.
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Thanks for your answers. Since it's my first Sony device with android, I still don't know who are those devs. I will believe in your words and assume that they are great devs
I'm only afraid that devs just jump this generation (Z3) by having an older one (since they are all great devices) and by waiting for the next one (Z4). But I'm probably concerned with no reasons, since there is a long list of Sony devices sharing the same hardware and there is also the unified kernel.
Hi there guys, i want to ask if somebody can create a template for Nokia 3 without using a launcher. Or if possible, to create a modified ROM that is able to slide the apps from menu horizontally and not vertically, if it possible to remove the apps border from the home menu, if it possible to remove the white background in menu with an wallpaper, and to show the rounded icons.
Here is my idea:
prntscr.com/gx9tf9
prntscr.com/gx9tnd
Any help is appreciated by entire Nokia 3 community.
Why not use a launcher?
PreetyFlash said:
Hi there guys, i want to ask if somebody can create a template for Nokia 3 without using a launcher. Or if possible, to create a modified ROM that is able to slide the apps from menu horizontally and not vertically, if it possible to remove the apps border from the home menu, if it possible to remove the white background in menu with an wallpaper, and to show the rounded icons.
Here is my idea:
prntscr.com/gx9tf9
prntscr.com/gx9tnd
Any help is appreciated by entire Nokia 3 community.
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Hey, Friend, I have Desktop for ROM building, i know how to build, but, on Google i can't find any source code of this phone, i have Nokia 3 too, and I don't think it is possible to mod or Modify ROM! Any Ideas?
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Just thinking out loud....MIUI ROM development would be very much appreciated. I've always imagined nokia with miui running it.
Rudroid00 said:
Just thinking out loud....MIUI ROM development would be very much appreciated. I've always imagined nokia with miui running it.
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miui is very hard to port, lineageos/rr/aosp is easier to port. We need to find ROM with same specs (same CPU, same GPU, same RAM) or similar specs. Just port ROM need to have same kernel version as stock ROM (3.18.35+ for Nougat or 3.18.60+ for Oreo).
I think because of the regularity of updates, people are less concerned about custom roms. At last I am less concerned about them. It says something when i'll rather stick with the stock recovery than with a custom one
Nokia 3 (TA-1032) Turn on recover mode and unlock Bootloader
I have Android Oreo on My Nokia Phone.
Anyone Help me to unlock my bootloader and turn on recovery mode to my Nokia 3 (TA-1032)
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I think because of the regularity of updates, people are less concerned about custom roms. At last I am less concerned about them. It says something when i'll rather stick with the stock recovery than with a custom one
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i only care about custom roms because nokia stock roms are bad in performance because of a lot of system apps (deleting some system apps helped but still it's not that good) and a lot of RAM usage.
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Hey, Friend, I have Desktop for ROM building, i know how to build, but, on Google i can't find any source code of this phone, i have Nokia 3 too, and I don't think it is possible to mod or Modify ROM! Any Ideas?
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It's out now
Thank you
Nikola Jovanovic said:
It's out now
Thank you
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I do not own Nokia 3!
RootingPro-18 said:
I do not own Nokia 3!
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Yeah I remember you said you sold the one you had
Need nokia to share some Source of Kernel or it official rom , and then someone could work it out
Invantion261 said:
Need nokia to share some Source of Kernel or it official rom , and then someone could work it out
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It's mentioned in another Nokia 3 thread here on XDA that the kernel and source codes ect are already available......
Here's the thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-3/how-to/nokia-3-kernel-source-availble-t3791637
Kernel source is out for nokia 3
why there is no development on Nokia 3
even when the kernel source is released and bootloader is unlockable now
tech2update said:
why there is no development on Nokia 3
even when the kernel source is released and bootloader is unlockable now
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Probably because there is no development on other Nokia devices either?
Someone has asked for MIUI on the Nokia 3.
Why?
MIUI is absolutely terrible and not something I want to see or use.
I really think because of Nokia's almost stock android no one can really be bothered to develop them right now.
I might be wrong and would love to see a lineage or AOSP ROM but why bother if we are getting android P eventually? (As announced by Nokia / HMD a few weeks ago)
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Probably because there is no development on other Nokia devices either?
Someone has asked for MIUI on the Nokia 3.
Why?
MIUI is absolutely terrible and not something I want to see or use.
I really think because of Nokia's almost stock android no one can really be bothered to develop them right now.
I might be wrong and would love to see a lineage or AOSP ROM but why bother if we are getting android P eventually? (As announced by Nokia / HMD a few weeks ago)
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There Are Many Unwanted Apps And Blots In Nokia Stock Ui And Battery Performance Is Very Poor.
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There Are Many Unwanted Apps And Blots In Nokia Stock Ui And Battery Performance Is Very Poor.
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Unwanted apps? Name them? I don't have any unwanted or unnecessary apps, I have what I want and need and no bloat.
The stock UI is the best I've ever used, and battery is much better since the Oreo update.
I'll admit it was very poor running nougat.
Name me another cheap android device that getting updated to android P and gets regular Google security updates guaranteed for two years?
There isn't many......
Obviously your opinion is totally respected but I can only tell you I'm happy with my device as it is, no other device I've had recently gives me such a lag free or problematic time as the Nokia does, it's flawless (to me)
I do notice many complaints about the Nokia 3 though, so others must be using their device differently or more heavily than I do.
Anyway, what's that got to do with this discussion?
If no other Nokia devices are being actively developed do you really honestly think someone is going to start just because you think it has alot of unnecessary apps installed or the battery is poor?
No, of course not.
If there was a lineage or AOSP ROM I would use it, definitely.
I have a device on lineage 15.1 and it's very good.....
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If no one is interested in developing this device then it won't happen, whatever you or me think.
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The stock UI is the best I've ever used, and battery is much better since the Oreo update.
I'll admit it was very poor running nougat.
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Agree, it's really nice. I compared it to my Axon 7 and of course Axon 7 is faster but surprisingly Nokia 3 kept apps in multitasking same as Axon 7 and battery is much better. Battery is very good with both Oreo and Nougat.
I think the fact that there are regular updates is another reason why people aren't so charged up about custom roms.
I think lineage is still on 7.x, nokia 3 is on 8.x and will probably reach 9.x well before Lineage.
Also, if the source code had been available last year when the phones where still new, custom roms might have been made, but now it has become last year's phone.
Some of us also remember the hoops we had to go through just to unlock the bootloader.
Maybe when they no longer release updates for the phone, if it's still popular enough, people might start to develop again
I was wondering if it's possible to replace my current official ROM with a Treble supported ROM.?
my current spec:
Android version: 8.0.0
Model: G8142
Android Security Patch Level: May 2018
I've heard that phones that come with Android Oreo preinstalled only they support Treble, but my phone had Android 7.1 originally when I first bought it so I'm not sure if it supports Treble. and it's kinda important because that means my phone can get future Android versions just like an IPhone.
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I was wondering if it's possible to replace my current official ROM with a Treble supported ROM.?
my current spec:
Android version: 8.0.0
Model: G8142
Android Security Patch Level: May 2018
I've heard that phones that come with Android Oreo preinstalled only they support Treble, but my phone had Android 7.1 originally when I first bought it so I'm not sure if it supports Treble. and it's kinda important because that means my phone can get future Android versions just like an IPhone.
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I dont think thats the case though I mean every company releases updates to their products untill they decide not to.
for instance at sony as I recall every flagship continues to get updates for 2 years after doesnt matter if it came with oreo or nougat.
and I think that companies sell producs as they are since they first came out, for instance, when the XZP came out it had nougat which means even if you buy a year after it would still come with nougat, unless Sony made more XZP units after the oreo update was released which is highly doubtful.
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I dont think thats the case though I mean every company releases updates to their products untill they decide not to.
for instance at sony as I recall every flagship continues to get updates for 2 years after doesnt matter if it came with oreo or nougat.
and I think that companies sell producs as they are since they first came out, for instance, when the XZP came out it had nougat which means even if you buy a year after it would still come with nougat, unless Sony made more XZP units after the oreo update was released which is highly doubtful.
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There will be treble support in the future
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I was wondering if it's possible to replace my current official ROM with a Treble supported ROM.?
my current spec:
Android version: 8.0.0
Model: G8142
Android Security Patch Level: May 2018
I've heard that phones that come with Android Oreo preinstalled only they support Treble, but my phone had Android 7.1 originally when I first bought it so I'm not sure if it supports Treble. and it's kinda important because that means my phone can get future Android versions just like an IPhone.
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well technically that is not the case, as treble project is separating the software code from the hardware code, as untill nougat once google update is released the CPU manufcature should also release an update that can work with the new google update, they rely on eachother, so for example our XZP supports snapdragon 835, when google releases an update, snapdragon has to release an update for the CPU that can understand and work with the new google update, THEN sony decides if they want to work on these update and "combine them" and release it for their XZP.
but after the treble project, this will no longer be an issue, as when google releases an update, the CPU manufacture doesnt have to release an update to work with it. the codes are now "separated", to my understanding the google update doesnt have to get a hardware update to understand it but instead it LEARNS the hardware that its sitting on and work with it as compatible without having the manufacture teach it, which means once google releases an update, Sony doesnt have to wait for snapdragon to release an update to work with it, it just work on its own, Sony just modifies it in their own ways and terms and then release it to the customers, but still it will take a lot less time, and software will always be compatible and released with time
and as I understood:
"1) If your device never gets updated to Oreo, it will never get Project Treble. No way around that. Sorry.
2) If your device does get updated to Oreo, it’s still not required to support Treble—that’s up to the manufacturer.
3) If you buy a new phone that runs Oreo out of the box, it is required to support Treble out of the box."
now looking at the 3rd option, every phone WILL and not only MIGHT support Treble.
BUT looking at 2nd option, it MIGHT, which means if sony decides so, it will,
and again, once a manufacture releases a device, it will always stay on the same android version, even if you buy it after it receives an update, out of the box our XZP will come with nougat even if you buy it in 2020 thats just how phones work once released, software stays the same out of the box. but its up to sony to decide if we get Treble support and you cant install a custom rom to get Treble because it requires root, and once you root you wont get OTA's from the manufacture, which means you wont get any updates afterwards unless you unroot which gets you back to square one.
in conclusion, its up to sony to decide wether we get Treble support or not.
and to add, even if we dont get Treble support, sony will still release updates to our XZP for the next year at least and after that its really not worth updating.
every update becomes heavier and requires more horsepower to run as smoothly as possible with the least battery consumption, after 2 years I really wouldnt want to update even if an update was available as it WILL slow my device down and consume more battery because newer updates usualy have more features and improved technology that youd have to get a new device with improved hardware to fully enjoy them without having downsides, I mean only after Oreo my battery became worse and phone became a little laggy every now and then Id have to restart, imagine after 1 or 2 more updates.
to make the idea more vivid, take your iphone example, how do you think iphone 6 handles the latest update? certainly not as smooth as before, or iphone 5s, they became so laggy compared to how they were before, and its not because they aged, they are not human beings, machines dont age, maybe battery does wear out but to get slower? thats just due to heavy software and bloat.
hope that was helpful
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There will be treble support in the future
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I really hope so.
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well technically that is not the case, as treble project is separating the software code from the hardware code, as untill nougat once google update is released the CPU manufcature should also release an update that can work with the new google update, they rely on eachother, so for example our XZP supports snapdragon 835, when google releases an update, snapdragon has to release an update for the CPU that can understand and work with the new google update, THEN sony decides if they want to work on these update and "combine them" and release it for their XZP.
but after the treble project, this will no longer be an issue, as when google releases an update, the CPU manufacture doesnt have to release an update to work with it. the codes are now "separated", to my understanding the google update doesnt have to get a hardware update to understand it but instead it LEARNS the hardware that its sitting on and work with it as compatible without having the manufacture teach it, which means once google releases an update, Sony doesnt have to wait for snapdragon to release an update to work with it, it just work on its own, Sony just modifies it in their own ways and terms and then release it to the customers, but still it will take a lot less time, and software will always be compatible and released with time
and as I understood:
"1) If your device never gets updated to Oreo, it will never get Project Treble. No way around that. Sorry.
2) If your device does get updated to Oreo, it’s still not required to support Treble—that’s up to the manufacturer.
3) If you buy a new phone that runs Oreo out of the box, it is required to support Treble out of the box."
now looking at the 3rd option, every phone WILL and not only MIGHT support Treble.
BUT looking at 2nd option, it MIGHT, which means if sony decides so, it will,
and again, once a manufacture releases a device, it will always stay on the same android version, even if you buy it after it receives an update, out of the box our XZP will come with nougat even if you buy it in 2020 thats just how phones work once released, software stays the same out of the box. but its up to sony to decide if we get Treble support and you cant install a custom rom to get Treble because it requires root, and once you root you wont get OTA's from the manufacture, which means you wont get any updates afterwards unless you unroot which gets you back to square one.
in conclusion, its up to sony to decide wether we get Treble support or not.
and to add, even if we dont get Treble support, sony will still release updates to our XZP for the next year at least and after that its really not worth updating.
every update becomes heavier and requires more horsepower to run as smoothly as possible with the least battery consumption, after 2 years I really wouldnt want to update even if an update was available as it WILL slow my device down and consume more battery because newer updates usualy have more features and improved technology that youd have to get a new device with improved hardware to fully enjoy them without having downsides, I mean only after Oreo my battery became worse and phone became a little laggy every now and then Id have to restart, imagine after 1 or 2 more updates.
to make the idea more vivid, take your iphone example, how do you think iphone 6 handles the latest update? certainly not as smooth as before, or iphone 5s, they became so laggy compared to how they were before, and its not because they aged, they are not human beings, machines dont age, maybe battery does wear out but to get slower? thats just due to heavy software and bloat.
hope that was helpful
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Thank you for the explanation, It was great.
Though I kinda disagree with the last part. for example I have a friend who had Android 7.1 on his galaxy S3, and it was running fine, empty from bloatware.
and the whole idea of making custom ROMs like Cyanogen and forums like XDA is build on that, to give Android phones a new life once the actual developers stop doing so.
Android definitely Should follow the path of Apple and Microsoft with Windows 10.
I have a Vaio Sony Laptop from 2010 and when I first got that it had a Windows home 7 on it, but now it has Windows 10 Pro x64 Redstone 4 and with the way Windows 10 works I'm sure I'll get future Redstone updates too, because these updates don't break anything and I get all the required drivers through the Windows update itself.
So the point is, Android phones specially the flag ships have the potential to be updated just like Apple IPhone products, and Treble is a great step towards this goal.
Yes phone batteries do get wear out that's why we should change their batteries every few years.
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Thank you for the explanation, It was great.
Though I kinda disagree with the last part. for example I have a friend who had Android 7.1 on his galaxy S3, and it was running fine, empty from bloatware.
and the whole idea of making custom ROMs like Cyanogen and forums like XDA is build on that, to give Android phones a new life once the actual developers stop doing so.
Android definitely Should follow the path of Apple and Microsoft with Windows 10.
I have a Vaio Sony Laptop from 2010 and when I first got that it had a Windows home 7 on it, but now it has Windows 10 Pro x64 Redstone 4 and with the way Windows 10 works I'm sure I'll get future Redstone updates too, because these updates don't break anything and I get all the required drivers through the Windows update itself.
So the point is, Android phones specially the flag ships have the potential to be updated just like Apple IPhone products, and Treble is a great step towards this goal.
Yes phone batteries do get wear out that's why we should change their batteries every few years.
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You cant compare custom roms to official OTA. because devs of the roms tend to clean the rom as much as possible from un-needed bloat therefor making it super fast and consumes less battery.
for instance, my brother has a galaxy s5 with 6.0.1 on it, I rooted the phone for him, and installed a custom 8.0 rom and it became laggy (still accepted lag not too much) but it was more laggy and crashes more, so I though maybe the rom is bad so I tried another 8.0 same happened.
in conclusion: even custom roms lag (although a lot less than official OTA) but it takes a lot of work for the devs to get rid of extra bloat for the old device to run smoothly. and sometimes even after getting rid of every last bloat it may still cause slowness of the device.
AOSP roms tend to be really easy on the device, so yes even if I had a Z2 I would install android 10.0 on it if it was AOSP because, well, aosp is friendly to old devices (in my own experience).
again thats just my personal opinion, yes your friend's phone has a 7.1.1 on a galaxy 3 but its custom and debloated so you cant compare that to official FW release from samsung
AND true that your friend sees the device as quick and smooth, but tell him to get back to 6.0 or even 5.1 and it will be even faster and consumes less battery.
but again it depends on how he uses the device, some people may tolerate the heavy software and might not even notice a difference in performance, but if you are heavy user like me, heavy gamer and multi task a lot, thats when the software unleashes its true potentials, so for normal easy use its ok but in heavy use, you will notice huge differences.
and to your example, windows updates, they have differet versions of every update, there is Home, pro, ulitmate etc...
so if your PC is old and has old hardware, using windows 10 home will be quite smooth, but if it was ultimate with full functionalities it will lag like hell.
we dont have that in android, again we do have AOSP though which is very easy like a home version yet functions like an ultimate version thats why i love it
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You cant compare custom roms to official OTA. because devs of the roms tend to clean the rom as much as possible from un-needed bloat therefor making it super fast and consumes less battery.
for instance, my brother has a galaxy s5 with 6.0.1 on it, I rooted the phone for him, and installed a custom 8.0 rom and it became laggy (still accepted lag not too much) but it was more laggy and crashes more, so I though maybe the rom is bad so I tried another 8.0 same happened.
in conclusion: even custom roms lag (although a lot less than official OTA) but it takes a lot of work for the devs to get rid of extra bloat for the old device to run smoothly. and sometimes even after getting rid of every last bloat it may still cause slowness of the device.
AOSP roms tend to be really easy on the device, so yes even if I had a Z2 I would install android 10.0 on it if it was AOSP because, well, aosp is friendly to old devices (in my own experience).
again thats just my personal opinion, yes your friend's phone has a 7.1.1 on a galaxy 3 but its custom and debloated so you cant compare that to official FW release from samsung
AND true that your friend sees the device as quick and smooth, but tell him to get back to 6.0 or even 5.1 and it will be even faster and consumes less battery.
but again it depends on how he uses the device, some people may tolerate the heavy software and might not even notice a difference in performance, but if you are heavy user like me, heavy gamer and multi task a lot, thats when the software unleashes its true potentials, so for normal easy use its ok but in heavy use, you will notice huge differences.
and to your example, windows updates, they have differet versions of every update, there is Home, pro, ulitmate etc...
so if your PC is old and has old hardware, using windows 10 home will be quite smooth, but if it was ultimate with full functionalities it will lag like hell.
we dont have that in android, again we do have AOSP though which is very easy like a home version yet functions like an ultimate version thats why i love it
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Yeah I know there are different versions, even though I said that my old laptop had Win 7 Home at the beginning and now it has Win 10 X64 pro RS4 currently, it's not the point here. Android should follow the same path because just like there are almost an infinite combination of computer hardware assembled in form of laptops/PCs, there are so many Android phones with different hardware into them as well. so like you said, why should every newer version of Android be heavier than the previous one? Is it not because of marketing and thus selling more Android phones?
why a Windows based Laptop/PC from 8 years ago can still run today's Operation system without any problems but an Android phone from 8 years ago can't even boot up!
I mean if Windows were like Android and would get more hungry after every update then a laptop with 4GB RAM from 2010 for example, would surely need more than 16 GB now to run the most recent Windows OS. but fortunately, it doesn't. Windows still manages to run on 4GB and always leaves 2 or 1.5 GB of RAM free for me for other tasks. not to mention that I even play Sims 4 on it ( the graphic card bottlenecks though since it wasn't a gaming laptop in the first place).
my phone has 4GB RAM and soon with newer Android versions Google/manufacturers will make it (intentionally/unintentionally) heavier so that I will need 6 or 8 GB to use my phone smoothly.
Linux fans always boast about how lightweight, updated and bug free their OS is, and while Android is built upon the same Linux platform, but it didn't Inherite any of those features.
About AOSP, I have a phone running on 3GB RAM with Android 5.1, it's not from popular brands like Samsung, Sony etc, is it possible to install Android AOSP on it? ?
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Yeah I know there are different versions, even though I said that my old laptop had Win 7 Home at the beginning and now it has Win 10 X64 pro RS4 currently, it's not the point here. Android should follow the same path because just like there are almost an infinite combination of computer hardware assembled in form of laptops/PCs, there are so many Android phones with different hardware into them as well. so like you said, why should every newer version of Android be heavier than the previous one? Is it not because of marketing and thus selling more Android phones?
why a Windows based Laptop/PC from 8 years ago can still run today's Operation system without any problems but an Android phone from 8 years ago can't even boot up!
I mean if Windows were like Android and would get more hungry after every update then a laptop with 4GB RAM from 2010 for example, would surely need more than 16 GB now to run the most recent Windows OS. but fortunately, it doesn't. Windows still manages to run on 4GB and always leaves 2 or 1.5 GB of RAM free for me for other tasks. not to mention that I even play Sims 4 on it ( the graphic card bottlenecks though since it wasn't a gaming laptop in the first place).
my phone has 4GB RAM and soon with newer Android versions Google/manufacturers will make it (intentionally/unintentionally) heavier so that I will need 6 or 8 GB to use my phone smoothly.
Linux fans always boast about how lightweight, updated and bug free their OS is, and while Android is built upon the same Linux platform, but it didn't Inherite any of those features.
About AOSP, I have a phone running on 3GB RAM with Android 5.1, it's not from popular brands like Samsung, Sony etc, is it possible to install Android AOSP on it? ?
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search its forum in xda if it exists and there should be roms forum where you can find a veriatey of aosp roms with names (carbon rom, nightlies, ressurection remix) all those are versions of aosp.
yes I agree about that I mean why would a phone need 6gb ram? or 8?? its just a way of marketing so customers think more ram means better phone etc etc (thats what I thought at first) but turns out android does require a lot which makes no sense to me especially coded with linux and unix.
but then again, todays most trendy device is a smartphone so manufactures use us and make more bloat so we'd have to buy newer phones.
as for iphone they have a better plan haha, you see yes iphone update their phones and each phone get the update no matter how old is it, but the case for iphone, they actually set limitations inside the software for previous phones which slows them down so AGAIN youd have to buy the newer iphone to re-enjoy the snappy and quick experience.
im pretty sure google will do the same even with treble support because EVERY manufacture wants us to keep buying and buying.
thats not the case in computers, because computers you can buy their parts individually, which means every piece of hardware in there has to prove it self for you to be convinced to buy it.
but in phones every single flagship for every manufacture comes with the same exact specs in terms of hardware parts (CPU, Ram size),(except camera), its the software that the devices rely on to compete.
and whats worse, SONY the best example, in their XZ2 they have the EXACT camera hardware as our XZP but it takes better pictures, why? because they improved their camera algorythms but wont release it for our device so we would have to upgrade. thats just the way it is I can talk a lot about this topoc non stop xD its just very wide and competetive
but I learned my lesson, for a 1000$ phone wether it was iphone, samsung sony its really not worth it if you think about it, its just trendy, why would people compete about how good is their camera? why would they even concider it as something to brag about? true on the device's screen these small lens cameras look great, put it on a 20" screen you will go like "WTH is this?? its crap!"
these smartphone cameras were made for instant pull and take picture, but now they all compete to become more like DSLR, but will never be as good as DSLR with that size of a lens!
so my lesson is: if you want a good camera with DSLR effect instead of buying a phone of 1000$ go buy a 200$ phone, and a 800$ DSLR camera its a lot better.
why need a 120hz display on a phone? to game? yes because its very easy to play PUBG on a small touch screen? NO its not its pointless!
so yah from now on Id buy a 200$ phone that can get the job done and play games that are playable on a small screen, as for camera and gaming I have a gaming PC and a DSLR there is really no need to pack that into a device that can include all features but will NEVER actually meet our expectations its all about the TREND
madshark2009 said:
search its forum in xda if it exists and there should be roms forum where you can find a veriatey of aosp roms with names (carbon rom, nightlies, ressurection remix) all those are versions of aosp.
yes I agree about that I mean why would a phone need 6gb ram? or 8?? its just a way of marketing so customers think more ram means better phone etc etc (thats what I thought at first) but turns out android does require a lot which makes no sense to me especially coded with linux and unix.
but then again, todays most trendy device is a smartphone so manufactures use us and make more bloat so we'd have to buy newer phones.
as for iphone they have a better plan haha, you see yes iphone update their phones and each phone get the update no matter how old is it, but the case for iphone, they actually set limitations inside the software for previous phones which slows them down so AGAIN youd have to buy the newer iphone to re-enjoy the snappy and quick experience.
im pretty sure google will do the same even with treble support because EVERY manufacture wants us to keep buying and buying.
thats not the case in computers, because computers you can buy their parts individually, which means every piece of hardware in there has to prove it self for you to be convinced to buy it.
but in phones every single flagship for every manufacture comes with the same exact specs in terms of hardware parts (CPU, Ram size),(except camera), its the software that the devices rely on to compete.
and whats worse, SONY the best example, in their XZ2 they have the EXACT camera hardware as our XZP but it takes better pictures, why? because they improved their camera algorythms but wont release it for our device so we would have to upgrade. thats just the way it is I can talk a lot about this topoc non stop xD its just very wide and competetive
but I learned my lesson, for a 1000$ phone wether it was iphone, samsung sony its really not worth it if you think about it, its just trendy, why would people compete about how good is their camera? why would they even concider it as something to brag about? true on the device's screen these small lens cameras look great, put it on a 20" screen you will go like "WTH is this?? its crap!"
these smartphone cameras were made for instant pull and take picture, but now they all compete to become more like DSLR, but will never be as good as DSLR with that size of a lens!
so my lesson is: if you want a good camera with DSLR effect instead of buying a phone of 1000$ go buy a 200$ phone, and a 800$ DSLR camera its a lot better.
why need a 120hz display on a phone? to game? yes because its very easy to play PUBG on a small touch screen? NO its not its pointless!
so yah from now on Id buy a 200$ phone that can get the job done and play games that are playable on a small screen, as for camera and gaming I have a gaming PC and a DSLR there is really no need to pack that into a device that can include all features but will NEVER actually meet our expectations its all about the TREND
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Nice to see you have the same view, can't agree with you more xD
It might sound like a noob question, does it matter which aosp rom I install on that phone? are those aosp roms (carbon etc) like windows ISO file to be able to install them (flash them) on every phone?
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Nice to see you have the same view, can't agree with you more xD
It might sound like a noob question, does it matter which aosp rom I install on that phone? are those aosp roms (carbon etc) like windows ISO file to be able to install them (flash them) on every phone?
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no no its still based on android haha you still have to find the right one for your hardware.
so like you searched for the XZP forums just do the same for your other phone in xda find its forum and rom section, what is the phone any way?
Regarding mi mix 2s android p preview, Does it mean my device will become like pixle and recieve OTA updates as soon as they come out? Android 8 then 9 then 10... Etc
Stable Android P will see the reintroduction of MIUI, they put too much development in MIUI to allow you to use pure Android P, just like all manufacturers do. it's a shame tho, i would love this phone with pure android
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Stable Android P will see the reintroduction of MIUI, they put too much development in MIUI to allow you to use pure Android P, just like all manufacturers do. it's a shame tho, i would love this phone with pure android
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I'm not a religious person but amen brother!
The device really rocks even with the developer preview. I can't wait to have an aosp rom for this device! Coming from Nexus devices ever since I still love the look, smoothness and bloatware free android experience.
Maybe Google can force manufacturers to let people choose between stock android and their own UI. Chose at first startup and you're good to go!
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Maybe Google can force manufacturers to let people choose between stock android and their own UI. Chose at first startup and you're good to go!
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it's not going to happen, bro. it's like Microsoft forcing everyone to use Edge instead of Firefox and Chrome. They paid license fee and the hardware manufacturers make money by all means necessary. GUI is one of those. I personally do not care about GUI, i had LG, HTC, Samsung and Sony phones. I choose best performing device on the market based on design, spec and camera. I use Smart Launcher on all of them and just delete/hide all bloatware. MI 2s is the one i like this year, i run preview on it for a month, it's keeps crashing and camera app lost all MI 2s advantages so i am back on MIUI Global now. All other developer ROMs i tried, including MIUI10 is just full of bugs. Depends what you want to use your prone for... i used it primarily for business, stable ROM is more important that new bells&whistles half of which doesn't work. I got preview for MIUI10 and it's far from even something usable on a daily basis.
I am sure we will get something closer to pure android soon, Xiaomi really making headlines by allowing all kinda testing on this phone, it's good marketing strategy. i like it, but from what i saw so far, Global 9.5.19.0 is the one for me
You're absolutely right about that!
They can't force the manufacturer to let people choose. Which is of course a bad thing and by that I mean to force them.
I tried the miui global ROM 9.5.15 and it's stable and working but it has too many restrictions for me. I just like the stock android and not this iOS plagiarized version.
I'll wait for the custom ROMs. I run lineageos on my Samsung note 10.1 2014 because the original firmware made the tablet unusable. Lags as hell and you can't even uninstall all this bloatware without root.
Nice to see different tastes, that's what's makes the development strive for new solutions. Which is obviously great! So everybody can choose what fits them best!
@barcode99 thanks, i guess there is no way but to wait for lineage OS rom
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@barcode99 thanks, i guess there is no way but to wait for lineage OS rom
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When snapdragon 845 sources are released(properly first week of july) aosp roms are right around the corner. Additionally the brightness bug with treble roms is fixed but the fix is not implemented yet, so the future looks bright
It's worth mentioning, the final 1/2 developer previews are actually pretty stable, I had a Xperia 3 that got the Nougat Dev Previews and Sony decided to stop with Dev Preview 5 and not release a stable version, but I used Dev Preview 5 as my daily driver and had 0 issues with it
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It's worth mentioning, the final 1/2 developer previews are actually pretty stable, I had a Xperia 3 that got the Nougat Dev Previews and Sony decided to stop with Dev Preview 5 and not release a stable version, but I used Dev Preview 5 as my daily driver and had 0 issues with it
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until someone port MIUI camera app or release it standalone i would go with MIUI ROM, all camera ports i tried suck. That's pretty much the same problem for all manufacturers since camera hardware is differ from one to another
I'd also love pure android on the mix2s. But I guess miui is just the only kinda "downside" for this great device. And besides I think miui 10 is reaaally sexy, especially the multitasking!