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I have already had the AT&T sgs3 but returned it because the user base is no were need Verizon's user base so I figured that we would ultimately have more roms kernels and themes. I am hoping that will still be the case. Either way I do not regret my decision because AT&T Lte is so tiny in comparison to Verizon lte when it comes to coverage.
Anyways back to the point of my thread.. the development for the international version of both the sgs2 and the sgs3 has always blown me away with the vast number of different roms, themes, and kernels! If anyone has every taken a peak over in the i9300 Dev forums they will know what I am talking about. Whenever I browse over there I find myself in a state of pure jealousy. The best of the best can be found there from roms like OMEGA to kernels like syliah kernel. I wish there was a way to easily port the international roms etc like entropy did for the AT&T sgs2 when he created the hellraiser packages which essentially swapped out the incompatible parts of a rom and replaced them with the compatible libs, modems etc that were meant for the AT&T sgs2. It would be nice if we could find with way to make it happen with our Verizon sgs3, not sure if that is possible though. Cross my fingers for this and definitely for an unlocked bootloader
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I agree. Even the sprint S3 has more roms than the Verizon S3. I can not find any popular ROMS that run on the Verizon S3.
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xWiZxKiDx said:
I agree. Even the sprint S3 has more roms than the Verizon S3. I can not find any popular ROMS that run on the Verizon S3.
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You should be greatful for the development that we have.
xWiZxKiDx said:
I agree. Even the sprint S3 has more roms than the Verizon S3. I can not find any popular ROMS that run on the Verizon S3.
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You should be greatful for the development that we have.
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I was not complaining at all. I am very grateful but regardless i was comparing all us variants to internal and not us to us..
We'd have more development if Verizon cared about their customers more than their money.
I'm confident we'll have more development. Coming from an LG Revolution I'm very happy with the amount we have now even
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Unfortunately we will never see nearly as much development as we would if we had an unlocked bootloader.
I am fairly confident that the developers around here will conquer this and we will have an unlocked boot locker before too long.
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I am fairly confident that the developers around here will conquer this and we will have an unlocked boot locker before too long.
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If you have read any of the r&d threads that's highly unlikely.
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If you have read any of the r&d threads that's highly unlikely.
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Why do you say that? The people in the r&d threads are working as hard as they can to find paths that could work to get around the bootloader.
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Why do you say that? The people in the r&d threads are working as hard as they can to find paths that could work to get around the bootloader.
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I think he meant it is highly unlikely we will eventually have a unlocked bootloader, not a work-around.
Yea its not looking like the bootloader will be unlocked...thankfully with kexec its not that big of deal.
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I am fairly confident that the developers around here will conquer this and we will have an unlocked boot locker before too long.
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It doesn't even matter that the BL is locked we already have a"Work around" and can do anything an unlocked phone can do we just have a few extra steps.
They have more development because it is... Verizon in the US alone vs the rest of the world..
I'm not surprised that they have more development at all
I myself have just started dev on this phone with nothing released as of yet. It will come soon. I have friends in the same boat. Just be patient. Roms will start coming in heards now that there is a workaround.
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Yea its not looking like the bootloader will be unlocked...thankfully with kexec its not that big of deal.
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Also agree with this. With kexec it seems we have some decent flexibility already, with just a couple resets in startup which I consider a very small price to pay
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Yea its not looking like the bootloader will be unlocked...thankfully with kexec its not that big of deal.
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Dude, what are you talking about ???? It is a freaking big Deal!! Kexec is nothing else but a workaeound hopefully just as a temp fix until the bootloader is unlocked
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Dude, what are you talking about ???? It is a freaking big Deal!! Kexec is nothing else but a workaeound hopefully just as a temp fix until the bootloader is unlocked
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I'm not sure why it is such a "big deal" exactly. What we have basically gives us the abilities of an unlocked bootloader (not 100% but exactly what we need development-wise) and all we have to deal with is a few short reboots on bootup. I'd say this is just fine even if we never get a true unlock.
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I'm not sure why it is such a "big deal" exactly. What we have basically gives us the abilities of an unlocked bootloader (not 100% but exactly what we need development-wise) and all we have to deal with is a few short reboots on bootup. I'd say this is just fine even if we never get a true unlock.
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Having a locked bootloader is still very much a big deal. It slows development if anything and reduces the possibility of seeing ROMs other than stock TouchWiz because developers who don't like TW have to go through the trouble of learning how to correctly make a boot.img that is compatible with kexec or else face the consequences. I just learned this the hard way by hard bricking my phone while trying to build a working boot.img for Sense 4.0.
Trust me, we want an unlocked bootloader...
I think we have a smaller user base because of the costs associated with Verizon. Let's face it, we all know Verizon is hell of expensive. We pay the highest price for one reason, the 4G is blazing fast and we always have a good signal.
Good bye HTC Rezound, hello Galaxy S3!
I mean I myself will wait until the last day to return it, and hope the bootloader issue has been solved. But what a shame, this device is nice. To hear the htc one already has cm10 is kinda of disappointing. So the question I ask what device will you get instead? Is it even worth it to get the international gs4 version?
I'm sticking with the GS4. I can live with the Disable option for now.
Also, I'm coming from a GSM Galaxy Nexus, so I'm already familiar with Samsung's hardware.
I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
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I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
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Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
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Cool! Thanks for the informative post..
I am not really following any of this as I don't have any interest in custom ROM's.
I have not even rooted yet but may do so once we have a way to restore back to factory. I'm pretty simple these days (I was a chronic flasher in years past) but now I only consider root if I want to use Titanium and AdFree..
I know a lot of users want custom ROM's though so hopefully the bootloader can and will be cracked.
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It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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Cyanongen ...has both the One and S4 " https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/eGmW8e8sCn4 "
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Personally right now I'm fine with a root and de-bloating. I do know it's possible to remove the root and return to stock if you need or want to return the phone because I had to. I just deleted the SU binary along with Busybox from system/xbin and the phone status went back to custom and lock on boot went away.
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Yeah I am ok with that to but man the UI is so ugly... I hope to see some changes lol
As for the bootloader, the biggest problem is the number of potential developers. I'm not buying the device (full price) and a jtag just to test. And the fact that they're using an open source system is not encouraging..But let's see what happens! It does reaffirm my distain for ATT though.
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Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Borii said:
Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Yes... No way to OC without a custom kernel or recovery to flash said kernel.
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Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
Personally I'm just going to wait for the bootloader to be unlocked before I buy one, if it turns out that the bootloader is not unlockable I'll just buy a GS3.
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
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Thanks for the info but you have not changed my mind on the matter. I'll wait as long as I can.
Will note 5 ever get Android 6?
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Yes no knows when
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Of course it will. Pointless thread
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I hope they aren't holding out. By February s7 will be announced. Don't tell me they're going to delay it past that announcement..?
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I ran all M previews & official Marshmallow on my Nexus 5. It's really not all that different over Lollipop. The only thing I miss is to be able to restrict individual permissions per app (baked in). Sure, I do do this using different methods now via xposed. Doze is nice especially when you tweak it.
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Of course it will. Pointless thread
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Pointless thread ?? Isn't this an information hub? Why post your pointless reply.
And everyone else thanks. I haven't seen any info or hint we are getting 6.0 of course we will be getting it but the question is when. True maybe not that much different than lollipop, but where it does differ, is great. Mainly the app permissions.
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Note 5 is supposed to get 6.0 next month. Sprint should release 2 months later
We should see marshmallow summer 2016. They should give everyone the option to beta test not just s6 people that would shut up alot of us waiting suck i rather get a buggy rom and just get updates until its perfect like how Microsoft let people try new stuff before hand like the microsoft preview on pc.
By the time we get it the note 6 will be out.
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Pointless thread ?? Isn't this an information hub? Why post your pointless reply.
And everyone else thanks. I haven't seen any info or hint we are getting 6.0 of course we will be getting it but the question is when. True maybe not that much different than lollipop, but where it does differ, is great. Mainly the app permissions.
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If you wanted to start a mm thread to discuss rumors on dates and what not i understand. So maybe it was how you phrased it. So mm and are we getting it seems silly. We are the most current flagship from samsung. So like i said of course we are. Im as anxious as anyone for it.
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If you wanted to start a mm thread to discuss rumors on dates and what not i understand. So maybe it was how you phrased it. So mm and are we getting it seems silly. We are the most current flagship from samsung. So like i said of course we are. Im as anxious as anyone for it.
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Why still come to complain in my thread. Keep it moving. Who are you to judge what I say. Who cares, (you do), if it sounds silly.
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I say note 5 won't get it till 2017 @ this rate
Qt 1 2016 already confirmed. It's only Jan people chill out...
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Qt 1 2016 already confirmed. It's only Jan people chill out...
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Quarter 1 2016 eta means nothing for the US carriers. The international version will get it first. The US carriers are the last to release theirs.
Its like watching the Norad Santa radar as he makes it around the world, but in REAL slow motion.
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Quarter 1 2016 eta means nothing for the US carriers. The international version will get it first. The US carriers are the last to release theirs.
Its like watching the Norad Santa radar as he makes it around the world, but in REAL slow motion.
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This is my first sprint phone, how slow or "fast" is sprint in comparison to the other carriers here in the usa in regards to significant updates?
954wrecker said:
This is my first sprint phone, how slow or "fast" is sprint in comparison to the other carriers here in the usa in regards to significant updates?
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Usually we are close to last.
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Usually we are close to last.
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Not necessarily true. I think we are better off than AT&T and Verizon. Sometimes Sprint gets an update before the other carriers most times not [emoji1].
Rumor is that Samsung will start rolling it out to the note 5 in February, then you have to wait for the carrier to give it a once over, on top of that, it's mostly Samsung fault. They have what 4 currently flagship phones not including the last gen ones. We have the s6, s6 edge, edge +, and the note 5... and that's just the current flagship, not to mention the other phones they've put out last year. Samsung as a company, is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest smartphone oem.
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Usually we are close to last.
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Not true at all. History shows we are usually second...
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Not necessarily true. I think we are better off than AT&T and Verizon. Sometimes Sprint gets an update before the other carriers most times not [emoji1].
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cstrife999 said:
Not true at all. History shows we are usually second...
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Hopefully.
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What exactly did you expect them to tell you?
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What exactly did you expect them to tell you?
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Same as always
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A better question why people are obsessed to have the latest android on the phone? Who cares which ANDROID version is running when most people are using third party software anyway. Every Android upgrade brings more and more restrictions. From my experience, I can't tell much difference between 4.x and 5.x android except the restrictions which prevents some of my apps from working properly, such as tasker, avast anti theft and etc. What do you expect to see in marshmallow and you can't see in Kit Kat with TW. Don't forget that most of the stuff you see in Note 5 is TW apps and are not native android apps except Dialer
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A better question why people are obsessed to have the latest android on the phone? Who cares which ANDROID version is running when most people are using third party software anyway. Every Android upgrade brings more and more restrictions. From my experience, I can't tell much difference between 4.x and 5.x android except the restrictions which prevents some of my apps from working properly, such as tasker, avast anti theft and etc. What do you expect to see in marshmallow and you can't see in Kit Kat with TW. Don't forget that most of the stuff you see in Note 5 is TW apps and are not native android apps except Dialer
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I've never understood the obsession either. I have an international M9 that has Marshmallow and frankly, it's virtually the same phone as it was with Lollipop. Marshmallow or not, I love my Note5. Marshmallow will come when it comes. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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I've never understood the obsession either. I have an international M9 that has Marshmallow and frankly, it's virtually the same phone as it was with Lollipop. Marshmallow or not, I love my Note5. Marshmallow will come when it comes. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Almazick said:
A better question why people are obsessed to have the latest android on the phone? Who cares which ANDROID version is running when most people are using third party software anyway. Every Android upgrade brings more and more restrictions. From my experience, I can't tell much difference between 4.x and 5.x android except the restrictions which prevents some of my apps from working properly, such as tasker, avast anti theft and etc. What do you expect to see in marshmallow and you can't see in Kit Kat with TW. Don't forget that most of the stuff you see in Note 5 is TW apps and are not native android apps except Dialer
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I understand your point thnks
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Just do this. How messed up would it be if we had a locked bootloader?
They suck, but look at att and sprint forums.
It's a war and about $. But, I still love t-mobile.
What phone could we switch to and be happy? Those Google phones suck. What's an iPhone?
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Just do this. How messed up would it be if we had a locked bootloader?
They suck, but look at att and sprint forums.
It's a war and about $. But, I still love t-mobile.
What phone could we switch to and be happy? Those Google phones suck. What's an iPhone?
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I am using teks rom took
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I hope you did not create this thread (dont know why really) just to gain sympathy since it does not shed any extra light or truly help out in any fashion. Sorry guys its not here and I am sure there is a good reason for it. But its not like we need to know. Your device is not rendered useless without Marshmallow so again the point is?
Sorry not trying to bash or berate anyone just think maybe the other half dozen threads asking and receiving the same treatment would be enough for some of you to realize its not that important....
I mean for crying out loud there are more important things like protecting Beyonce from the mean people saying she is a Black Panther.
peace out people
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I hope you did not create this thread (dont know why really) just to gain sympathy since it does not shed any extra light or truly help out in any fashion. Sorry guys its not here and I am sure there is a good reason for it. But its not like we need to know. Your device is not rendered useless without Marshmallow so again the point is?
Sorry not trying to bash or berate anyone just think maybe the other half dozen threads asking and receiving the same treatment would be enough for some of you to realize its not that important....
I mean for crying out loud there are more important things like protecting Beyonce from the mean people saying she is a Black Panther.
peace out people
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That last part about Beyonce...PRICELESS!
No wonder xda is like it is
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JonathanRAZ said:
No wonder xda is like it is
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And that is?
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And that is?
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My guess is typical millennial kiddie posted a useless thread, gets called out, and rages about the forum or something. Mod delete.
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Can we expect root access anytime soon?
As soon as you get it rooted.
Not anytime soon, no. If ever.
Not soon if ever... too early to know.
Welcome to XDA!
How do people expect a time frame on stuff like this? Why do I not have this calendar that shows expected leak dates or exploits found, and a devs work schedule.
Especially since the bootloader is locked
I had a good laugh. Thanks mate. :good:
ishh said:
Can we expect root access anytime soon?
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Lol....n00bz.....
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Sometimes asking the question isn't the bad thing, it's knowing WHEN to ask the question that is the bad thing.
Soon (from now until the end of time)
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I would assume never.... If it happens that would be awesome, but most likely won't happen
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How do people expect a time frame on stuff like this? Why do I not have this calendar that shows expected leak dates or exploits found, and a devs work schedule.
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one of the rules of XDA is to NOT ask for ETA. Unwritten rule if not explicitly codified.
Just curious. Are jailbreaking and rooting the same thing? I just came back over to the android with the s8+. I've had a few samsung phones the last being the note 3 rooted with cleanrom installed. Never thought android (snapdragon) would hard to exploit than ios.
US carriers pretty much tell phone makers not to allow bootloader unlocking because "reasons" and qualcom isn't opensource friendly
The distinction is that the international variant has an unlocked bootloader. The snapdragon version is locked. Two different ballgames unfortunatly.
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one of the rules of XDA is to NOT ask for ETA. Unwritten rule if not explicitly codified.
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Think you meant to quote op.
I thought tmobile was for having bootloaders unlocked?
TheRealKingSen said:
I thought tmobile was for having bootloaders unlocked?
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If that's the case then I'll be on my way to return my AT&T S8+
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I thought tmobile was for having bootloaders unlocked?
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Not anymore with samsung devices since the S7...its been over a year everyone should know this by now.
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You know, I updated to the S8+ from the S6. It could be my imagination but the bloatware isn't near as bad as it used to be and the stock ROM runs nearly as smoothly as I remember Cyanogenmod running back in the day on my S4.
AT&T (and snapdragon) users ought to be used to the idea of locked bootloaders by now. They've made it mostly bearable.