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Will the Nexus Prime smash the SGS2?

From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/

robt772000 said:
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
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It depends on how it all comes together. A higher quality 5mp camera could produce better results that our 8mp camera so that doesn't scare me. More power is always good. A pure Google phone is always good from a latest and greatest perspective. It's also guaranteed to have NFC which is good.
The screen kind of scares me. My SGS2 screen (an early build) is great but there have been lots of reported QC issues, wide variations in color temperature, the gradient issue, and the left side banding issue. Pushing even more pixels to get to 720p is going to be tough to pull off based on the challenges they experienced in the jump from SAMOLED to SAMOLED+.
The radio's important and I wouldn't go back to something lower than 21MB HSPA+. I doubt it'll support any form of LTE because there are too many frequencies to contend with.
So count me as a "maybe."

Thanks for responding. I am not so sure either. That's why a discussion is a great place to start. Hopefully it will smash the new Iphone.
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/22/google-nexus-prime-processor-detailed/

It all seems over the edge to me. From looking at the previous releases of google phones starting from Nexus One which consisted similar specs to the desire, and the nexus S which again has the similar specs to the Galaxy S, infact they shared the same chipsets. I'm not implying that the prime would indeed carry the similarities of the GS2 on that behalf but maybe not too far off.
An improved build of the AMOLED+ screen with all the banding issue and etc gone (I doubt it'll be 720p either). I'd say yes to dual core and maybe 1.5ghz (why not?). 5mp camera, (really?) I doubt they'd go anything below an 8mp due to competitvity and yes yes we all know that the cmos sensor makes all the difference but most people prefer figures rather than facts which is where the target audience usually lies (consider iphone 5 being the biggest role in competitiveness here).
All in all any specs that surpasses the GS2 is a path to the right direction although it's too early to judge since quad core is only around the corner, so time will tell. I personally wouldn't buy a google phone; my list of reasons would stuff this whole thread.

Next Nexus will also be google with bare basic OS , that means no awesome Samsung media codecs.
Also Nexus S had no external sdcard only 16gigs build in.
Only time will show how crippled its gonna be, sure certain aspects might be better depending who is gonna make it, CPU/GPU might be better , 720p AMOLED screen would be nice or at very least some decked out IPS panel.
Generally nexus devices never been better then some alternatives , but its subjective everyone has different needs. I am more interested in next Galaxy successor !

Yes the galaxy 3 will be a huge step. I think that all the codec support on this device is amazing. The nexus s was OK but destroyed by the s2. The next nexus probably won't beat the s2 when you look at the previous steps taken.
Samsungs software this year has been excellent. It's one of the few devices with duel core being optimised well. Will vanilla android be optimised? Probably not.

nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
EDIT: haah i meant nexus prime , thanks robt772000

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nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
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Nexus Prime

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Nexus "Prime" will be a very good phone (atleast I can hope so!). But even if it smashes GS2, no shame in that. By all accounts, Prime would be released 6+ months after GS2, so it would be a shame if it can't beat GS2.
I am worried about few other points which you guys might have better knowledge:
1. How would be the application support for Ice cream? Will it be compatible with 2.x application?
2. What would be native/suggested resolution and form factor of displays? I assume that it's 480*800 for 2.x models. Is that going to change with Ice cream?
3. What would happen to Honeycomb? Ice cream is supposed to be across both tablets and phones? So, it appears to me that HC was just a stop-gap arrangement to allow android foot-hold in the tablet market.
4. What sort of processors are they going to support? My assumption was that HC was typically made compatible with Tegra2 and the primary reason why it sucked initially. I would bet that if HC ran on Exynos with Samsung optimized drivers, it would be much better than what it is now.
Most people tend think the battle would be with iOS, my idea is that the biggest threat for Ice cream will be from Microsoft!
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.

My only real concern is the screen quality, the SAMOLED plus is inferior to the regular SAMOLED due to its massive banding and QC issues, for day to day use theres basically no difference between both, For pictures the SAMOLED made some pictures prettier because it was not able to display the flaws/image compression artifacts, color is better on the Plus though. All in all it boils down to the screen quality for me.

robt772000 said:
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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All that and probably no micro sd card slot again.

Most definitely. It's the Big G's OFFICIAL phone. And should it have this epic HD-high-resolution 4.0" or 4.3" display. It'll blow the GS2 away. Not to mention whatever minor processor improvements there will be.
Also it'll be rocking 4.0 - K.O - Game Set Match.
Anyhows, I'm just happy they're continuing the Nexus range, because it really is something that showcases Android and combats iOS and that really brings the best of the best to the table. (well so far it has)........well not really with the Nexus S, but that is still a damn good phone. But this Nexus Prime looks like it's going to be another Nexus One, ground-breaking.

rd_nest said:
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/

daivik said:
hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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Yes, both MS and Apple are trying to unify the platforms. My view is that Apple will again try to keep that niche segment and their loyal user base. MS, like Google will license their software to other vendors. The whole scenario sounds similar to what happened in the desktop space 20 years back. History repeating itself - we have Apple on one side and MS/Google with a different approach on other. Players like IBM and Compaq making way for present day vendors like Samsung/Nokia etc.,

Ho well, I won't be surprised if in a year from now, with dual core 2ghz ARMs and 1+ gig of ram in phones we will see windows 8 running on smartphones with metro UI on top... If it runs on a tab, it'll run on a smartpone. Hell the SGS2 is crushing any tablet currently, it's just sad that all the SGS are always given unused potential (remember the sgx540 on sgs1, and now exynos mali400 on sgs2). But hey that's what makes them future proof, we'll still see SGS1 running new games and apps in a year or two.
I liked android for the customization and liberty it gave me, but I pretty much ran around it both on tablet (transformer) and phone (SGS1 &2) and I think that my next gen of devices will be wp7.5 mango (if the WP7 SGS2 ever comes out!) and then wp8 stuff late 2012.
Honestly I think the current tab market is just ****ting his pants at windows 8's arrival, because frankly, no iOS or honeycomb can rival win8's functionalities, if it runs smooth of course... (win 8 transformer 2 ).
Standing from here I really see MS as the big winner of following years. Android had 2 years to evolve into something really productive, yet it didn't really came there and still has a lesser quality catalog compared to the app store. But who knows what ICS will bring ? we can only wait.

Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.

It depends on what hardware it will have.
If it will boast a Qualcomm Krait, then it will blow it away. If it uses anything else, then no, it might be slightly faster performance wise, but that's all. The only thing going for it will be the 720p screen, but we still don't know the size of the display or what type it will be.
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Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
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It's supposed to have a ginormous screen, so think bigger than 4.3" of the SGS2. I don't think it will surpass the DPI of the retina display even at 720p or at that screen size.

If it doesn't surpass SII in every spec then it will be just another SII. You will have to make compromises between a lower mp camera or no card slot, etc. If it beats SII in every section then yes, it will blow it away.

Samsung Nexus for Me
Winner is
Around 2.5x higher resolution screen, 1280x720 vs 800x480
Around 50% crisper display of text, images and video, 315 PPI vs 217 PPI
More than 10% larger screen, 4.6" vs 4.3"

i will go for Nexus !!

So why DID Samsung go with 1280 x 800?

It's not as if Samsung doesn't know how to make good screens and at $500 it's not as if they are giving away a $200 loss leader tablet to sell content. So why? The screen resolution is the ONLY thing that keeps the Note 10.1 from being the greatest tablet of all time and severely hurting iPad 3 sales.
Everyone will have their opinion on this but I'll give you mine.
Reason 1 - speed.
Reason 2 - the s-pen.
It is clear that the Note 10.1 has been designed as a tool and not a toy. It is a productivity device. As such, speed and functionality trumps eye-candy. Based upon what I have been reading about the ASUS Infinity, the HD screen seems to cause performance issues.
There is also the issue of the s-pen. This is pure conjecture on my part but it seems intuitive that writing on an HD screen will require more processing power than writing on a 1280 x 800 screen. There are more pixels to change. I believe that Samsung looked at it and asked themselves, what is the lowest resolution we can do (thereby improving s-pen function) but still deliver an acceptable image?
** It could be that Samsung just cheaped out but I don't think so. If they gave us a super HD screen but the s-pen lagged it would have been game over. I think it came down to a question of what the user would be most willing to sacrifice. Since the Note is a productivity device, that would be eye-candy. Speed, above and beyond all else was key.
Just my 2 cents. What do you think?

I've read that it's the max resolution supported by the Wacom digitizer.
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I've read that it's the max resolution supported by the Wacom digitizer.
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From what i read its the maximum resolution supported by the exynos chip. With the new exynos chip which i soooo hoped for to be inside this tablet, the max resolution would be i think double.
I only have one concern before buying this tablet:
what if...the tablet which should be around 11.6 inch coming from sammy (probably the next few months) will also be a note instead of a "standard" galaxy tab..? That would be a huge blow for all note 10.1 buyers :/

Probably has to do with the digitizer pen technology. Even Wacom doesn't offer the comparable Cintiq (minus multi-touch except for top of line 24HD) with a resolution higher than 1280x800 until you go from the $1000 12" to the $2000 22" model.
http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Cintiq/Compare Models.aspx

I don't believe it has to do with the digitizer. There are tablets that use the same one and have higher resolution.
I think it's for speed and possibly limitations on the cpu. Samsung wanted this tablet to fly. Increasing the resolution would be a problem for that. I think next year we will get a high res Note.
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I think Samsung did a great job with this 720P HD display. Its something about it that's different from my previous prime or my nexus 7. The colors are richer/more detailed. The prime and nexus 7 has exact same resolution also. Im more than satisfied with this display. Everything looks crisp to me.

Well I don't have my note 10.1 (arrives later today) but my dads tf300 has the same resolution and my brother has a new Asus nexus 7. I compared the both as the nexus has a higher dpi and personally I can hardly see any difference! So does it really matter that much?

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From what i read its the maximum resolution supported by the exynos chip. With the new exynos chip which i soooo hoped for to be inside this tablet, the max resolution would be i think double.
I only have one concern before buying this tablet:
what if...the tablet which should be around 11.6 inch coming from sammy (probably the next few months) will also be a note instead of a "standard" galaxy tab..? That would be a huge blow for all note 10.1 buyers :/
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This is what I've heard as well, although I couldn't find anything from Samsung about it. But it seems the most likely (while it's possible that Exynos 4 does support higher resolution outputs, it might not be fluid enough for use with the S Pen as lag is definitely more noticeable with a stylus than a fingertip).

Cranking up the resolution requires cranking up the GPU horsepower, which means more battery consumption.
Look at the iPad - they needed to make the battery around 50% bigger in order to offset the significantly increased power consumption. This means a heavier device, and MUCH longer recharge times.
The iPad's resolution is a waste of pixels. There's flaunting spec epeen, and there is proper systems engineering - Samsung did proper systems engineering here.

Before getting my Note 10.1 I got myself an Asus Infinity Pad (which was promptly returned due to the screen coming OUT of the case). The screen WAS magnificent, However, there was so much power going to the screen than the entire OS was lagged out pretty badly. Even after their OTA updates, it was pretty bad. Battery drain was horrible unless I put it into the "power saving" mode and at that point the screen on my Galaxy Tab and Note 10.1 was beautiful compared to it.
I agree with the OP. Speed and the S-pen are the primary causes. Honestly, I don't need an ungodly powerful screen. I use this for work and for play and it does extremely well on both. I am often amazed at how quickly pages load, or the fact that I don't have to buffer pages, books or other things as long as other tablets take. I will take power over beauty any day of the week...
Also as a geek moment for myself "Power is beauty and I've got the power" - Flea (From Chrono Trigger).

[Anticipation] note 3 vs nexus 5

My next phone will defo be one of those, though solid details on both are scarce if existent at all.....
I really hope the 3gb ram rumours are true.
If there is finally no lag on touch wiz with note 3 I'll go there if not then nexus 5 steals my cash.
Right now feeling the pinch of UK s3 limit of 1gb ram, but still loving my first taste of android even a year later, my second phone the iPhone 4s only gets a look in when I need a separate business phone or this battery is low.
Originally intended to get a windows 8 lumia but they hadn't been released and ICS/jelly bean had ensured that I haven't regretted it
Which of the two do you anticipate more and why?
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Note 3 for sure. Note 2 is my favorite phone ever, it's only right that I get it's successor.
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Actually, most of the Note 3's specs were leaked today: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/06/09...ra-ii-and-galaxy-s4-lte-advanced-coming-soon/
Note 3, without question.

Wow crazy... If it gets 3gb ram too that thing is taking over my life! Wedding is off, she can find a new man, just leave me to my note 3, take the iPad if you want...
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I like nuxus but i don't have money
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I have the original Galaxy Note and have loved it (came from a Galaxy SII). I've been wanting to get the Note 2 for the past few months and not sure I'll be able to hold out since I'm getting antsy for a new phone. If i can somehow suppress my impulse to buy the Note 2, I will be anxiously awaiting the release of the Note 3...after all, we're only talking a matter of 4 months or so..right? :fingers-crossed:

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I have the original Galaxy Note and have loved it (came from a Galaxy SII). I've been wanting to get the Note 2 for the past few months and not sure I'll be able to hold out since I'm getting antsy for a new phone. If i can somehow suppress my impulse to buy the Note 2, I will be anxiously awaiting the release of the Note 3...after all, we're only talking a matter of 4 months or so..right? :fingers-crossed:
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Note 3!!! Doing my best to hold out on upgrading my GS3 to the GS4 in hopes of the Note 3

datanetresource said:
I have the original Galaxy Note and have loved it (came from a Galaxy SII). I've been wanting to get the Note 2 for the past few months and not sure I'll be able to hold out since I'm getting antsy for a new phone. If i can somehow suppress my impulse to buy the Note 2, I will be anxiously awaiting the release of the Note 3...after all, we're only talking a matter of 4 months or so..right? :fingers-crossed:
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Wait for 3, seriously. It'll be worth it.
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I want the Note3 but, by the time I can upgrade it will new old news. So... what's next.
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Apart from the slightly bigger screen there is not a great deal more to get excited about the Note 3. 13 MP? Irrelevant. Worst : it is actually detrimental to imagine quality in such tiny sensors. FHD? What for? Now, if they improve the sunlight legibility of the screen which is IMO one of the drawbacks of the current screen, that might make me think twice.
I also have my eyes on the upcoming Xperia Z Ultra. Looks like a real contender to the Note 3 although I'm afraid it is just too big.

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Apart from the slightly bigger screen there is not a great deal more to get excited about the Note 3. 13 MP? Irrelevant. Worst : it is actually detrimental to imagine quality in such tiny sensors. FHD? What for? Now, if they improve the sunlight legibility of the screen which is IMO one of the drawbacks of the current screen, that might make me think twice.
I also have my eyes on the upcoming Xperia Z Ultra. Looks like a real contender to the Note 3 although I'm afraid it is just too big.
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FHD Why? Well, because some of us DO see the difference. I don't want anything below 1080 ever again.
Oh, I don't know. The 3GB RAM maybe? Or maybe the fact it's either going to be a Snapdragon 800 or an Exynos Octa?
The camera I don't give a sh*t about. I carry my DSLR everywhere anyway.

With higher density displays you do see a better quality even if you can't see any more individual pixels - the more pixels making up the smallest visible "particle" the more detail and colour clarity you will experience, it's like cd vs a brand new vinyl, the vinyl records lots of frequencies that the human ear can't pick up while the CD is limit to the human spectrum, yet vinyls on a good system that have not worn out the tracts yet have a much warmer palette of sounds, the insensible waves have an effect on the sensible and the same happens with screens, if you play a 4k video on a 1000ppi screen theoretically you'd see a far better image than on a 1020 440 ppi which is visibly better than on a 720 on a 326ppi which is considered roughly retina. Don't let apple brainwash you into thinking that retina is the best you can get, it's clear yes, but it can look nicer than our already amazing top end screens do.
Usually the difference isn't noticeable instantly, but when you try to go back to the lower quality you notice the difference, try looking at an old android device from 2010 or an iPhone 3gs... Blurry as hell but at the time I couldn't imagine a better screen.
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Thinking of buying...

Hey guys I'm really thinking of buying this tablet but one thing that's holding me back is people saying that the resolution is low...are you guys satisfied with the display? also I'm using a note 2 ATM and am satisfied with its display... Can anyone make a comparison between the 2 displays..
Thanks

Well i had a Nexus 10 and that had an amazing display. So coming off that to the Note 10.1 was a big difference. But the resolution on the Note 10.1 is fine and you won't be bothered with it unless you compare it side by side with any 1080p or higher resloution device. But everyday usage I am fine with it and I like the Note 10.1 a lot more than the Nexus 10 too believe it or not. So yeah go for it, I think walmart has a sale on it right now for like 280 something refurbished with warranty.

The display is fine.. I think people will really only notice if you put the two side by side.
I've even got a Spigen anti-glare screen protector on and that makes it even less clear - still fine with it (Greasy fingers!)

I think people talk about the galaxy Note 10.1 lower resolution when comparing to other tablets with much higher PPI screens because thats all there is to complain about. The screen is still very clear and as others have said unless they were side by side you would not know because the Note 10.1 screen looks great.
Don't forget that some of those other tablets that have the higher PPI don't have the S-Pen or a micro sd card slot, don't know about you but I wanted and need those two options.
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Thanks for the response... Really helpful!!

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Thanks for the response... Really helpful!!
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Plus I would add that not all apps display fine at the dpis of a full HD screen, whereas on the lower resolution screen of the note 10.1, all the apps display fine.

I have the s4, and I will admit, my vision has started to deteriorate just a bit, but the resolution doesn't bother me one bit. So many pluses that outweigh very few drawbacks on this tablet. The 12.2 is quite intriguing, kinda large, but would be nice in bed so the misses can watch comfortably to. Might even be sufficient to replace a tv in the bedroom.

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I have the s4, and I will admit, my vision has started to deteriorate just a bit, but the resolution doesn't bother me one bit. So many pluses that outweigh very few drawbacks on this tablet. The 12.2 is quite intriguing, kinda large, but would be nice in bed so the misses can watch comfortably to. Might even be sufficient to replace a tv in the bedroom.
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That 12.2 is laptop size........ I think that may be the one that they are going to put the screen in manufactured by Sharp.
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Hopefully they will keep the size of the original tablet and just decrease the bezel... Or make it slightly larger, a 12.2 would be awesome!!

The Note 10.1 display resolution is fine for me for daily operations.. Issue comes only when you compare.. but pros outweighs cons for 10.1

Do you plan to move to another big tablet (iPad PRO, Surface Pro 4 and Pixel C)?

Hello, when my Note PRO 12.2 works, it is quite useful. However, when it fails, it is very bad. One time I fully charged the device in the evening. In the middle of the day, it ran out of power. I could not take photo with a beautiful girl I met. Last week, when I asked somebody to take photo of me and a cute girl, the device rebooted again itself when the guy pressed the camera app button. I also failed to take a few important photos when this malfunction happened. Although somebody pointed out that this might be due to a loose connection problem, it seems to be software related. Why always the camera apps (one built in and another 3rd party)? It seems that when the apps tried to access the camera, the device rebooted.
Anyway, I am considering to move to another platform. How many of you plan to get an iPad PRO, Surface Pro 4 or Pixel C? Due to the camera-reboot issue, I consider to stay away from Android device. Don't know the battery consumption and actual weight of the iPad PRO and Surface Pro 4 yet. I do want cellar phone function and a stylus. Is the Surface Pro 4 my best bet?

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Although somebody pointed out that this might be due to a loose connection problem, it seems to be software related. Why always the camera apps (one built in and another 3rd party)? It seems that when the apps tried to access the camera, the device rebooted.
Anyway, I am considering to move to another platform. How many of you plan to get an iPad PRO, Surface Pro 4 or Pixel C? Due to the camera-reboot issue, I consider to stay away from Android device. Don't know the battery consumption and actual weight of the iPad PRO and Surface Pro 4 yet. I do want cellar phone function and a stylus. Is the Surface Pro 4 my best bet?
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It's not beyond the realm of possibility for the loose connection to be such that pushing power requirements beyond a certain point causes stability issues. Like Beut said in the other thread, you could always do a factory reset and then immediately test the camera to see if you regain stability in its use.
As for buying into another platform, you say that you want cell phone function . . Is that even possible with the other options? Highly unlikely with the iPad for sure . .
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I have the p905 model
I did not take many pictures with because i have my note edge and nikon d750 dslr but i did not have any problems with taking pictures with
Anyway
I don't think that there is any tablet in similar size that can compete with the note pro
Maybe some specs are outdated compares to others but it function very well for me
If they make a new note pro with an amoled screen then i might consider buying it or the samsung view 18.4" if it is released

Mine has never rebooted itself.
Which is a vast improvement over my previous Asus Transformer TF700T... That thing rebooted constantly. (It had some serious I/O issues. Update 3 apps at once and it reboots.).
At any rate, I will certainly consider a Surface Pro 4, on one very vital condition: That it has an Nvidia GPU, as opposed to that IntelHD piece of ****. Anything with an IntelHD isn't worth more than 5 quid.
Edit: The Surface Pro 4 comes with an IntelHD. I will not spend a single euro on such crap.

It seems that the Surface Pro 4 and Surface Note do not have LTE option

Mine too never rebooted, and it is rooted with lollipop. The only problems I had was a couple of reboot stuck at samsung logo while installing applications that required a reboot, such as AD-Away.
Problem solved long pressing the power button and then booting again.
Even the battery still gives me 10 full working hours.
So, I plan to use it until Samsung releases a new comparable device.
A second one, not rooted, as it is in the hands of my daughter and the rest of the family, performs equally well.
SM-P905

I'll wait for the next Android of a similar or larger size device.
Surface Pro 4 is too expensive and Windows applications (and many of it's internal components) do not scale well at high DPI. I had the Yoga Pro 3 (3200x1800) and returned it due to it's bad scaling. I got a laptop in exchange at 17.3" at 1920x1080 and still scaling is bad (not as bad). Windows 8.1/10 at high DPI is not as near as good as Android. So no Windows tablet for me, thank you.
iPad is too closed of a system for me, even for multimedia consumption everything has to go through iTunes, so no.
Pixel C, although a good idea with stock Android is too small compared to NotePRO 12.2, so no.
I' d love a "Pixel C" type of tablet at 12.2" with stock Android for smoothness and fast updates. If you come across one drop me a line.
My current tablet is the SM-P905, Lollipop, rooted (never had blue screens, never had reboots)

Windows tablets are better at productivity and Android tablets are better for consumption. Android fakes productivity way better than Windows tablets fake consumption. With 12" tablets being made chic by Apple it proves the Note 12 was ahead of its time. For me, there's no reason to go anywhere else. With the Pixel C there may be some developer interest in building more/better Android productivity apps that'll only benefit us.

I wanted the surface but battery life and lack of lte are holding me back. I have the 907a.
I was praying that the surface would have at least 10 hours.
I still have hope that Samsung will announce something between 12-13 inches with decent specs and battery life, as dell failed to impress.

petercohen said:
Hello, when my Note PRO 12.2 works, it is quite useful. However, when it fails, it is very bad. One time I fully charged the device in the evening. In the middle of the day, it ran out of power. I could not take photo with a beautiful girl I met. Last week, when I asked somebody to take photo of me and a cute girl, the device rebooted again itself when the guy pressed the camera app button. I also failed to take a few important photos when this malfunction happened. Although somebody pointed out that this might be due to a loose connection problem, it seems to be software related. Why always the camera apps (one built in and another 3rd party)? It seems that when the apps tried to access the camera, the device rebooted.
Anyway, I am considering to move to another platform. How many of you plan to get an iPad PRO, Surface Pro 4 or Pixel C? Due to the camera-reboot issue, I consider to stay away from Android device. Don't know the battery consumption and actual weight of the iPad PRO and Surface Pro 4 yet. I do want cellar phone function and a stylus. Is the Surface Pro 4 my best bet?
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Yeah I'm getting a surface pro 4. I'm going to use it mostly for photo and video editing. My note can process raw files OK with photometers r2 but it drains the battery very quickly. Would rather have the fully powered and featured windows machine. Plus I'll run something like bluestockings if I need a few android apps. Not that I use many apps anyways. Mostly lecture notes and the browser.
I'll keep my note pro though. Still trying to get the thing to work properly though....

Just picked up an i7 Surface Pro 4 to replace my Note 12.2.

I have been looking for a replacement for mine (lte on Verizon) because of the poor battery life I have been getting. I need it to last all day. The problem I've found is that there still isn't anything that would be an "upgrade" that would be worth buying. I think I just need to doggie out my battery issue for now.
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I chose the GN Pro 12.2 because it was 12.2" with Android.
I need Android (I play on a game which is only available on Android) and I need a 12,2" screen (I read comics).
Surface is Windows
Ipad is IOS
Pixel c is Android but 10,2" so too small.
And because I got many issues with Samsung devices (Tablet, TV, smartphone, etc...), I will never buy any other Samsung devices.
If you got something else, than the proposed tablet, it would be interesting to share.

luffy092 said:
I chose the GN Pro 12.2 because it was 12.2" with Android.
I need Android (I play on a game which is only available on Android) and I need a 12,2" screen (I read comics).
Surface is Windows
Ipad is IOS
Pixel c is Android but 10,2" so too small.
And because I got many issues with Samsung devices (Tablet, TV, smartphone, etc...), I will never buy any other Samsung devices.
If you got something else, than the proposed tablet, it would be interesting to share.
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I have had the note pro 12.3
2 since it came out. As a digital artist it was the best for me. Always being an android lover I stayed away until 3 weeks ago and several months of searching and trying Android and windows tablets and 2 in 1's. It really sucks that android did not continue with evolving the note pro 12.2. Finally after much internal torture I bought the iPad pro 12.9 gen 3 tablet and the Apple pencil. All I can say is wow! Now I'm not going to become an apple convert because I love my note 8 (have no desire to upgrade at this time). But the tablet is phenomenal for digital art and all the basic stuff I used to do on my note pro. The only thing I can't stand on the iPad is the file management system. It's like your personal files are top secret. Android is light-years ahead in that aspect. If Samsung decides to put out a larger more powerful tablet I may go back to Android tablets. I absolutely loved infinite painter. It just blows my mind that they don't even try to compete with apple in the tablet world... But maybe that says something about apple's tablets.

I am not an Apple fan, but I did have an iPad Pro 12.2 LTE with 128 GB. It was a very nice and usable device.
I did not play games on it. I mostly read books, news articles and watched videos. It even had split screen which was nice. Long battery life. I was part of Apple's beta group which got new iOS operating systems before the general public. I never had an issue with the iPad. I am a Samsung devotee. Even though Samsung is terrible at updates and supporting older devices, I still love their products. My Note FE is great. I also do android development, so my Note FE and other devices have custom ROMs. If Apple would install android on their hardware, I would buy in a heartbeat. Or, if they had a developers version of their devices (unlocked, jail broken), I would buy.