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Hey guys..
I have scratched the fluck nuggets out of my beautiful Raphael.
I have a one year warranty on the phone.
The following is worth the bad karma for me..., so please.. if you have only negative comments to make- please save it for someone who cares!!
I would like to kill/bomb/grenade my phone so that it appears completely toasted .. with little to no evidence it was damaged.
This probably means software .. since any physical damage will void the warranty.
I was thinking, restore the default SPL, flash the stock ROM back onto it, and then try to re-flash the stock ROM but pull out the battery half way into it.
Will this kill my phone worthy enough for AT&T to replace it for me? Or do you think they repair it (not ideal).
P.S. I have searched, I guess I dont know what terms to use or no one has the balls to go through with my type of evil plan.
All Advice (except negative comments) appreciated!
thanks guys
The reason why prices rise
Thank you for the extraordinarily helpful advice! I'll try that. Thanks!!
For the third time, i have selflessly helped others in this forum quite a bit. IF you have a negative comment that does not help me, mumble it to yourself and giggle. Do not waste your valuable time posting it here. You will not change my mind.
Any friendly people who can actually help address the questions I have posed are welcome to respond.
I understand what I want to do is frequently frowned upon ... but at the same time, charging $.20 to send some kilobytes through the air isn't exactly a nice thing to do to your loyal customers.
P.S. If AT&T offered equipment warranty on this phone .. this would not be an issue.
They decided to screw their customers by not offering it, and so I will work the system.
ryaske said:
P.S. If AT&T offered equipment warranty on this phone .. this would not be an issue.
They decided to screw their customers by not offering it, and so I will work the system.
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Maybe your idea is the reason behind that
Maybe so but that is irrelevant to the questions I have asked.
Are the scratches deep enough for a fingernail to get caught on them? thats what they ask you over the phone when turning in a device for a warranty exchange. If so then warranty is void.
On to the fun part
You could try unplugging the battery halfway through a flash which will cause the device to start up in bootloader mode. From their its easy to just restart the flash and be on your way. If you go to an At&t Device Support Center, most of the guys their aren't trained to each device specifically, they're mainly trained to rule out physical damage and go from there.
So it wouldn't hurt to try that. Unplug battery during flash and see what they'll do. I'll be surprised if they flash a rom because i've turned in one device that was stuck on a white screen and they just handed me a replacement fairly quick.
Now, the next thing you could try i figured out accidently by trying to improve GPS reception on my Tilt. Actually scratch that, just found out it won't work on the Raphael. With my tilt i took a copper wire (taken from an old landline telephone) and plugged it into the antenna extender port on the back of the device.
This greatly improved my GPS reception, then i stuck it in the other port (phone antenna) and i got 5 bars, but when i took it out, i couldn't get any service. I think it fried the antenna.
I took that device into the At&t Device Support Center and the guy at the desk handed it to the Tech who just looked at it, handed it back to me asked me if i wanted to back anything up and gave me another device (refurbished)
One last thing. Although i turned in a flawless At&t (no scratches nothing) in for a 5th warranty exchange and they gave me the Raphael, it ended up having 2 deep scratches on the frame of the keyboard of the device. When i called in they told me since it was my 5th return its not under any warranty.
this is kinda a crappy question to ask, and it's the reason we pay such high amounts for our beloved phones. BUT.... just zap the sh!t outta it with a stungun simplest way I can think of. maybe microwave it for 5 or 10 seconds? nah.. that'd just start a fire. stungun.
I wonder what a few seconds in the microwave would do or near a moderately strong electro magnet would do.
thankfully my fingernail does not get caught in the scratches .. its just abrasion scratches, kind of like what sandpaper would do. I can barely see the scratches when the screen is on .. unless I'm thinking about it.
I will try to F up a flash today. Maybe even when changing the bootloader so that there is nothing there to "take" a new rom. If anything, this will serve as a test-case for those wonder what would happen if your electricty goes out the next time your flashing (prevent it: use a laptop!)
for those that have contributed something useful so far. I THANK YOU. This forum is for sharing information, not morals.
I will post back with the results of the suicide and warranty exchange so others can learn from it
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for those that have contributed something useful so far. I THANK YOU. This forum is for sharing information, not morals.
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Actually if you read the forum rules it clearly states:
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble
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I'd have thought discussing insurance fraud is certainly pushing & bending that, if not breaking it completely.
Deliberately breaking your phone to claim under warranty or insurance is fraud. Please don’t drag our forums down to your level.
Live with it
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Actually if you read the forum rules it clearly states:
I'd have thought discussing insurance fraud is certainly pushing & bending that, if not breaking it completely.
Deliberately breaking your phone to claim under warranty or insurance is fraud. Please don’t drag our forums down to your level.
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Exactly. Maybe you could learn a lesson and invest more care in your next device. Mods should close this thread.
ok, well under that logic, fraud will also be damaging your own phone, even if by accident, and then getting a warranty replacement and mentioning you have done so on the forum.
So that means everyone that flashes their phone and F's it up, then gets it replaced is also "getting the forum in trouble" because it is also technically warranty fraud.
How exactly the forum is now "in trouble", I will never know. Its not like you gave me the idea to screw my phone. I simply asked for advice and experiences. How dare I use a forum that has always been a help to me, for getting information, similar experiences, and help. I dont know what I was thinking.
Go ahead and lock the thread.. you guys are all whiney nannies anyway. Save me the trouble of having to hear you guys.
P.S. You should get out in the real world where cut throat tactics happen every day. Its kill or be killed in corporate America. (I work for a very large company and I know that so intimately, I couldnt give you the details if I wanted to .... i would fear for my way of life.)
Good luck on your crusade to right all the wrongs in the world. I learned its not worth the effort .. Playing their own game is far more beneficial.
one more thing. the worst thing that could have happened is I get denied the warranty exchange. That is my own risk and I acknowledge I'm taking it.
How would my attempt at warranty exchange EVER "obviously lead to legal trouble", ESPECIALLY for the forum???
If you want to quote the rules, you should interpret them as they are written. No where does it say "have good morals" and "dont bring the forum down to your level". I'm pretty sure it does say
2. Be polite and respect your fellow xda-dev user.
There is no need for cursing, flaming, racism or personal attacks. There are a lot of different nationalities on this forum all with different cultures, this means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. It will gain you a lot of respect if you help to keep the peace. It's disrespectful and therefore not permitted to create Alias Member names in an attempt to deceive others.
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10. Help others if you can.
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Further, my intentional doings and my reports of what happened could actually help someone who has done the same, but by other unintentional means.
I am, as always, in the spirit of the forum, here to help and be helped.
Stick it to the man!
FWIW, you could get an Invisible Shield that would make the scratches less noticable.
HAHA
Ok the deed is done. The hitman has collected. The eagle has landed
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HAHA
Ok the deed is done. The hitman has collected. The eagle has landed
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Since you've gone to such great lengths to explain how this enterprise is going to benefit the community, and how anybody judging you is such a whiner, how about you explain the details?
Yeah I wanted to help people, but all the **** I got made me rethink the whole posting on the forum thing. I figured spilling more information will only get more people to chime in with their nasty nanny comments..... so I wasn't going to.
BUT since you asked, and you specifically were not one of the nannies (or atl east one that kept quiet.. i thank you!)... I would be happy to share the details.
I thought I would be able to kill it through software .. but it turns out bricking a phone intentionally is NOT an easy thing to do.
1) Pulling the battery is not enough to stop the flash. It will continue just fine on USB power only! Therefore I dont know how bad batteries could cause problems with flashing...
2) Stopping the flash of a ROM by pulling battery and USB almost always (for me, 10 out of 10 times) just causes the bootloader to complain "bad data" when you reset the phone, or something to that effect. You can reflash easily every time, I guess unless you stop it at the PERFECT moment ( I wasn't able to)
3) Stopping the flash of a Bootloader is absolutely impossible. I tried maybe 15 times (switching between stock SPL and the 1.90 SPL), but each time it loaded up just fine....
4) So,now getting desperate (Like I wasn't already...) I went to further measures. The stock battery is 3.7v DC. I applied 5 volts AC to the battery connector first, very quickly as fast as I could touch leads to the battery pins. Each time.. nothing happened and the phone booted fine.
So I stepped it up to 7.5, then 10. applying 10 v AC on the 3rd time was the charm. The LED flash blinked once very quickly, and then the phone ceased to turn on. I was nervous doing this.. I didnt want anything to physically fry. It turned out very well, it didnt get hot at all, no smoke and no burning smell.
Then I went to an AT&T store and turned it in for a new one. The guys there told me this wasnt the first time the Fuze came back completely dead!!! Imagine that.....
If the software bricking worked easily .. I planned on trying to recover it as a test case .. but alas it was damn tough. Thats also why I didnt really give many details.
This just goes to show everyone flashing your phone is really, really safe. I would say- flying in an airplane safe. When it fails, it does so rarely, and spectacularly and catastrophically... enough for all the media to hear about it (everyone on the forum). I wouldn't be worried tho, stepping on to a plane is just fine and chances are very good (you can round those chances to "always") it will work fine.. even if it screws up during the process some how.
So, GO FLASH THAT NEW ROM!!
A sincere thanks for the forum for putting up with an opinion/viewpoint that the majority clearly and rightfully disagrees with.
All I can say is WOW - what a mean thing to do; torture your phone like that. You could also have tried waterboarding, because in America that is not considered torture.
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P.S. If AT&T offered equipment warranty on this phone .. this would not be an issue.
They decided to screw their customers by not offering it, and so I will work the system.
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I have a warranty for my Fuze via ATT
Warning:
- This will void your warranty.
(But if you're doing this, you probably don't have a warranty anyway.)
- You need to be smarter than the average bear.
(I'm not responsible if this doesn't work, you pick a bad donor phone, you get stabbed while buying said phone, you somehow burn your house down while attempting these directions, you somehow manage to injure your cat when you open your phone, look its not my fault)
First:
Make sure you have a real brick. If you can get to anything other than a white G1 screen you DON'T have a real brick.
Please try:
1. Home + Power
2. Back + Power
3. Camera + Power
If you get anything other than a Tmobile G1 screen you don't have a real brick and DON'T need this guide.
What you need:
1. A donor G1.
Look for a G1 that got smashed up, scratched, broken screen, whatever. Just make sure it didn't go for a swim. I recommend craigslist. Make sure it starts at least. You can remove the back panel and check the void stickers to see if it changed color to check for water damage.
The point is that true hard bricks are caused by a major failure of the SPL. No one has figured out how to come back from this yet by software, but everyone that has seen an HTC repair bill knows you can fix it by replacing the mother board. New motherboards direct from HTC are prohibitively expensive though. Thats where the donor G1 comes in. I expect a lot more of them to be turning up for cheap now that there are some new android phones on the market.
I paid about $50 bucks for one without a working back light and a few scratches.
2. http://www.portatronics.com/guide/T-Mobile-Smartphone-Repair-Guide/
The second guide (first from the bottom). Its not that hard, just be careful. The point is that you have to slip the donor motherboard into your phone. It took me about 35 minutes and I lack fine motor skills.
Once you have it all buttoned up again:
1. format an SD card to FAT32
2. Put http://g1upgrade.com/DREAMIMG-RC29.zip in the root directory
3. Insert SD card in phone
4. Start with Camera+power and flash the same way you probably rooted your phone the first time.
I feel like this was known in the upper echelons of the community before, but I had never seen it explicitly spelled out in its own thread. Unfortunately I bricked a professors phone last Friday night and had to make it right using the minimum amount of cash possible by next Monday morning.
Wouldn't you know, its running kingklicks 2.0 right now.
- Faylix / Local
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Donate to Local's Broke Law school fund
Its so funny you post this because I actually have a white G1 with a cracked screen and heavily scratched face and a black G1 thats perfect but has the Haykuro brick. Maybe I will throw the nice stuff on the working phone once I go buy some tools. lol
It works. Just be gentile with the connections when removing the motherboard, and a little scotch tape goes a long way to holding the connections in when you re-attach them to the donor board.
Taking the G1 apart is surprisingly easy. Do yourself a favor though, take the motherboard from the white one and stick it in the black one. Much easier than transferring the screen.
Go fix that brick.
- faylix
this is hardly a fix, essentially a new motherboard is a new phone, it just has your old case on it, so there's no actul fix apart from replacement. my opinion while it's great use of imagination, it's not by any means a fix. for all you know, the phone you're buying may be a blacklisted phone and will not work, it could even have the spl brick itself, so this is neither a true fix, or reliable
sorry
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this is hardly a fix, essentially a new motherboard is a new phone, it just has your old case on it, so there's no actul fix apart from replacement. my opinion while it's great use of imagination, it's not by any means a fix. for all you know, the phone you're buying may be a blacklisted phone and will not work, it could even have the spl brick itself, so this is neither a true fix, or reliable
sorry
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Call it what you will I guess.
On Friday I had a bricked G1, $50 bucks and 35 minutes later I have a working G1.
There should be lots of used G1's turning up on craigslist right now with the CLIQ / DEXT out, and even more as the other new phones drop.
I recommend you make sure the phone you buy at least turns on, but selecting an appropriate donor / making sure you aren't buying a stolen black listed phone is up to you.
Your Mileage May Vary.
The title of this thread is *extremely* misleading.
This does not in any way unbrick a phone. It is simple replacement.
Let me guess... are you an automotive mechanic in your day job? Seems like that's all they do these days... replace parts until it works.
What you need to understand is that the part that you are replacing is basically the brain of the thing.
To put this into perspective... if you got brain cancer and the doctors said they could cure you by a brain transplant, would the resulting "person" be you? Or would it be someone else?
I suggest that you find some way of renaming this thread (as a moderator to help you if needed) to something like "get a working phone again by changing the mainboard". At least that won't trick people into reading through it just to find that you are talking about something completely uninteresting.
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The title of this thread is *extremely* misleading.
This does not in any way unbrick a phone. It is simple replacement.
Let me guess... are you an automotive mechanic in your day job? Seems like that's all they do these days... replace parts until it works.
What you need to understand is that the part that you are replacing is basically the brain of the thing.
To put this into perspective... if you got brain cancer and the doctors said they could cure you by a brain transplant, would the resulting "person" be you? Or would it be someone else?
I suggest that you find some way of renaming this thread (as a moderator to help you if needed) to something like "get a working phone again by changing the mainboard". At least that won't trick people into reading through it just to find that you are talking about something completely uninteresting.
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agreed... i thought this post was going to have actual flashing method of curing a brick, not some replacement part way.
PS- I really liked that brain transplant metaphor lol
Hehe Thought someone actually beat those of us working in the unbrick thread to the method. this is simply a replacement, cant call this an ubrick thread, should be titled "how to replace G1 motherboard"
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The title of this thread is *extremely* misleading.
This does not in any way unbrick a phone. It is simple replacement.
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To be fair, the title states it requires a donor.
After the task is preformed your phone is no longer a brick.
Let me guess... are you an automotive mechanic in your day job? Seems like that's all they do these days... replace parts until it works.
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Actually I'm a law student that builds motorcycles in his off time.
If a part is broken, it can be obtained cheaper than a whole new unit, than the best "fix" in my mind is to just replace the part no?
What you need to understand is that the part that you are replacing is basically the brain of the thing.
To put this into perspective... if you got brain cancer and the doctors said they could cure you by a brain transplant, would the resulting "person" be you? Or would it be someone else?
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Existential questions aside... if your phone is bricked, you can pay $400 for a new off contract phone, $200 and sign up for another 2 years, or $50 bucks and have a working phone using most of your own hardware. I know what I'd choose.
I suggest that you find some way of renaming this thread (as a moderator to help you if needed) to something like "get a working phone again by changing the mainboard". At least that won't trick people into reading through it just to find that you are talking about something completely uninteresting.
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Wow. You're a hostile one.
I'm very sorry I wasted 5 minutes of your day in reading about the best, cheapest, way *so far* to fix a bricked a phone.
I'm also very sorry you lack basic reading skills, don't seem to understand what (requires a donor) means, and seem to have a dislike of mechanics. I suggest you re-read the top of the thread, realize since you are clearly dumber than rocks, this thread is not for you
Anyway, lets try and keep this on topic.
I was in a bad position, figured out the best fix I could given the current state of affairs, and thought it might help some other users on this board.
Mods, Please delete, change, do as you will.
If you have real questions about this process I'll answer them, I'm done with the back and forth.
Great thread, I agree, the time these guys have wasted trying to resurrect bricked fones, the fix seems easy enough. Always better to follow the path of least resistance. Good thinking.
"requires a donor" could mean anything.
-SOFTWARE donor.
-it could mean that you are temporarily hijacking one to run the second.
I'm sorry that you don't see HOW MANY people got tricked by your misleading title into thinking that this thread was about something that it WAS NOT.
And motorcycle mechanic.... same thing. Just how did I guess?
And law student? I guess you must have taken too much from "how to mislead 101". Bloody (wannabe) lawyers...
Great thread, I agree, the time these guys have wasted trying to resurrect bricked fones, the fix seems easy enough. Always better to follow the path of least resistance. Good thinking.
And there is a big difference between fixing a device and a human.
When the cpu on my computer dies, i replace it, not the whole computer.
Or if the ECU goes out in my car, I replace it, not the whole car.
Dont listen to these punks, the fix you provided is indeed a fix for bricked phones. It may not be a software fix, but it is a fix.
The automotive comment made shows just how ignorant some people are. In fact, people do the same thing with vegetables at a store. Pick 1 up, its not satisfactory, pick up another, still not good, pick up another, this one is good! No difference.
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Dont listen to these punks, the fix you provided is indeed a fix for bricked phones. It may not be a software fix, but it is a fix.
The automotive comment made shows just how ignorant some people are. In fact, people do the same thing with vegetables at a store. Pick 1 up, its not satisfactory, pick up another, still not good, pick up another, this one is good! No difference.
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i aggree... give the guy a break the title may have been a little misleading but has anyone got any better ideas that work? i thought so...
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Great thread, I agree, the time these guys have wasted trying to resurrect bricked fones, the fix seems easy enough. Always better to follow the path of least resistance. Good thinking.
And there is a big difference between fixing a device and a human.
When the cpu on my computer dies, i replace it, not the whole computer.
Or if the ECU goes out in my car, I replace it, not the whole car.
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This isn't about a fried CPU. The CPU is fine. It is about a BIOS FLASH gone bad (quite common). When you do a bad bios flash, do you replace the mainboard? No. You yank the BIOS FLASH chip out and "hotflash" it in another mainboard to resurrect it! http://www.overclock.net/faqs/102206-how-hotflash-your-bios-chip.html
So what do you do when there isnt another motherboard available to fix the flashing? (G1 Software fix)
You replace the motherboard.
Yeah ok so why dont you just do that then. I dont see your solution realized in the other thread.
Your the one comparing apples and oranges. I mean brain surgery.
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Dont listen to these punks, the fix you provided is indeed a fix for bricked phones. It may not be a software fix, but it is a fix.
The automotive comment made shows just how ignorant some people are. In fact, people do the same thing with vegetables at a store. Pick 1 up, its not satisfactory, pick up another, still not good, pick up another, this one is good! No difference.
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Actually, you've just shown YOUR ignorance with your vegetable nonsense. Picking through a bunch of the SAME KIND of vegetable is not the same as replacing parts until something works.
Fact is this;
When you bring your car in to be "serviced", all they do is *replace parts*. Even if they don't know what part is giving you problems... they just keep on replacing parts until the problem goes away and stick them all on your bill. And this is despite the fact that things can usually be *repaired*. The correct way to repair things is to find what isn't working (done -- it doesn't boot), figure out why (IPL and SPL are incompatible), and correct the problem (rewrite IPL and SPL). Instead, you take the "automotive approach" and just replace parts until something works... except that in this case, you are not actually repairing the "bricked" phone, you are repairing the "smashed" phone and giving up entirely on the bricked one since it is the mainboard that defines what phone is what.
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Yeah ok so why dont you just do that then. I dont see your solution realized in the other thread.
Your the one comparing apples and oranges. I mean brain surgery.
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No? So instead of waiting a few more days to see if the jtag solution comes through, you're going to go out and spend $xxx on a new *broken-and-possibly-useless* phone in the off-chance that you might be able to repair it with parts from your phone, which is actually perfectly fine and is simply in need of reprogramming?
Your choice.
And I'm not telling you not to.
My only complaint is in the misleading nature of the TITLE of this thread, which suggests a solution to reprogramming the phone.
Where exactly did you learn that mechanics replace parts until its right? I am a trained technician, yes certified, and 95% of mechanics I know do not do this.
I never said it was the same kind of vegetable. That was your assumption.
I wonder if anyone knows where to buy a replacement phone housing for the Desire HD. I have dropped my Desire HD by accident and now the shell is badly dented and scratched. Brought the phone back to HTC and they said it would cost $150 just to replace it as the warranty does not cover user faults.
Check the box your phone came in.
If it says 'HTC Desire HD' on the box, you can get a free replacement at any phone shop that has one in stock until midnight tonight 13th October.
How exactly did you manage to scratch a phone which hasn't been released yet?
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How exactly did you manage to scratch a phone which hasn't been released yet?
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I don't exactly know, it was given to me as a gift. So, anyone knows where to get a replacement housing?
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I don't exactly know, it was given to me as a gift. So, anyone knows where to get a replacement housing?
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Your sure it's not the normal Desire?
Maybe make a picture of it?
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Your sure it's not the normal Desire?
Maybe make a picture of it?
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I an VERY sure its a Desire HD. It has a 4.3" screen for a start. Also, I can't replace the battery. I can't take a photo of my Desire HD with my Desire HD!
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I an VERY sure its a Desire HD. It has a 4.3" screen for a start. Also, I can't replace the battery. I can't take a photo of my Desire HD with my Desire HD!
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why cant you replace the battery
Make a picture of the phone using a mirror.. or 2 mirrors..
God....you lot are not being helpful now are you?
to the op, I believe your only chance is to wait a couple of weeks and I am sure ebay will soon be filled with replacement covers and housings.
Until then your best option is to buy a case to cover it up.
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God....you lot are not being helpful now are you?
to the op, I believe your only chance is to wait a couple of weeks and I am sure ebay will soon be filled with replacement covers and housings.
Until then your best option is to buy a case to cover it up.
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Firstly, good effort for resurrecting a pretty dead thread.
Secondly, realise that the guy is claiming he had a DHD before anyone else had one.
Thirdly, he claims the battery cannot be replaced - only on the DHD it can be (and if you take the cover off, it literally falls out!)
So while we would like to help the guy, he's not exactly provided believable evidence.
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Firstly, good effort for resurrecting a pretty dead thread.
Secondly, realise that the guy is claiming he had a DHD before anyone else had one.
Thirdly, he claims the battery cannot be replaced - only on the DHD it can be (and if you take the cover off, it literally falls out!)
So while we would like to help the guy, he's not exactly provided believable evidence.
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Why would anyone lie about something like that?
It is more likely the indentation is so bad the battery simply wont come out. Also I believe there are a select few who get to test devices long before they hit the shelves, I dont think he/she is one however I do believe it may be a test device.
I am also interested to know this. Nothing on ebay yet. Anyone know a retailer likely to sell housings? Unless anyone wants to swap a black for a brown?
Not sure why everyone here so adamant the op is lying... it's not like it's a big deal.
Mobile phones are often finished months in advance of a public release for testing, PR purposes, sales purposes (you don't think a mobile network gets to see and play with a device before deciding to stock it?) etc etc
I had the very first colour mobile about almost a year before it was available to the public and even months before anybody knew it existed. Why? I was working on developing a marketing campaign for it. It was one of only two in existence and it was buggy as hell....
Also he may not of realised that the battery compartment is separate from the sim card and not noticed it...
Btw - I want to know about a new housing too... this phone is so smooth it gives the expression dropping calls a whole new meaning....
Maxwell Smart said:
Mobile phones are often finished months in advance of a public release for testing, PR purposes, sales purposes (you don't think a mobile network gets to see and play with a device before deciding to stock it?) etc etc
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Isn't that what everyone is doing that received the phone from the first batch?!?!?! LOL LOL LOL JK
Maxwell Smart said:
Mobile phones are often finished months in advance of a public release for testing, PR purposes, sales purposes (you don't think a mobile network gets to see and play with a device before deciding to stock it?) etc etc
Also he may not of realised that the battery compartment is separate from the sim card and not noticed it...
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Not to let this drag on or anything - of course there are versions and prototypes and ready for market versions of the phone, but would they be handing out a model of this hotly anticipated phone to someone who doesn't realise there's a battery compartment (which is a different colour to the rest of the casing, no less)? I think not.
Housings will probably take a while to filter down, the more obvious 'immediate' accessories like micro USB cables and docks are being churned out at 1000 a minute at the moment.
Well People , i got my Stock from Vodafone Australia not a joke either .
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Alright. Apparently this specific phone has weird or messed up POGO pins. And I really need some help.
I've searched but can't find anyone with this issue.
There are supposed to be 5 pins total (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1611116). On my phone, there are 5 positions, but the first (GND) is blocked off by the outer plastic of the case. I picked away the plastic to find no pin present, just a plastic stub from within the phone. And while I will (next week) be taking the phone apart to do multiple things (replace broken digitizer, & upgrade battery, replace back-door), surely someone knows something about this?
I ordered a Seidio Innocell case to further enhance my battery life. It is the version marked to support the AT&T variant. However it does not work. I would think that the GND connection is unnecessary to charge the battery (unsafely), so I can only assume that the 4 pins available are not as identified with other variants. Perhaps the 1st pin is dislodged by some means, though that does not explain the plastic covering it... Other than perhaps a manufacturer defect that I never noticed?
Can anyone assist?
Like I said I'll be opening it up soon, so I'll probably modify the back door to support this Innocell casing anyway. So any information would be useful as to what might be going wrong here.
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I can confirm after picking away more plastic, that there IS indeed the 1st pin (you can see it in attached image if you look closely), and that my phone was poorly manufactured. The pin is shoved beneath the casing due to lack of clearance when it was assembled. No wonder. Charging still does not work, so I'm wondering if there is a way I can manually test these two pins (#1 & #5) for charging capabilities? 5v battery and two wires perhaps?
This belongs in the q&a section, not sure why you've posted it here?
Where did you buy the phone?
Sent from my Evita.
timmaaa said:
This belongs in the q&a section, not sure why you've posted it here?
Where did you buy the phone?
Sent from my Evita.
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My apologies, first time posting. I read the posting stickies, and did not think to post it in the appropriate location.
This phone was purchased from Walmart, with the related AT&T contract. One month before they released the OneX+, what luck.
My battery is at post office now, should arrive later today. I'll install and update my post, though I believe I'll be solving my own problem & answering my own question soon enough. Completion sake, anyways. The pins do work, i sent voltage through it using a multimeter, and android notified me I was using an invalid charging apparatus (incorrect mwa i guess? was @1.5v). SO that's good news I suppose.
Wow, I've never seen a new Evita with such a serious manufacturing defect like that. You should swap it out under warranty.
Sent from my Evita.
timmaaa said:
Wow, I've never seen a new Evita with such a serious manufacturing defect like that. You should swap it out under warranty.
Sent from my Evita.
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Haha i know right. I just opened it up, all 5 pins are available on the motherboard's bottom connector(radio/pogo/buttonLEDs). But indeed, they did not properly cut the 1st pin's plastic. Nor did they insert the actual pogo pin on it, which are both back-door flaws. Back-door assembly line failure - lol Sounds dirty.
Well all is well now. I used a HOX+ back-door instead, cause the red on black looks nice. SO I didn't have to rig my own graphite onto the plastic. All 5 pins working perfectly. Attached some photos so you guys can see what I mean. Take care all, this issue is now resolved
In the past week, this phone has stopped enabling "fast charge" and now, it takes all day (literally) to charge the phone. Also, battery draining is quite rapid (IMO). I've had the phone 2 months now and it's starting to have other issues as well. I have a question.... is it possible that a minor crack in the screen would have anything to do with the charging issues? BTW, the crack developed within 10 days of purchase. I did not drop the phone but perhaps, may have sat on it while in back pocket, but I question this for it's "supposed" the have Gorilla glass3 and I would think it would be more resistant to cracking in such a manner? Anyway, looking for answer, mostly, to charging issue. THANX Rick
69Rixter said:
In the past week, this phone has stopped enabling "fast charge" and now, it takes all day (literally) to charge the phone. Also, battery draining is quite rapid (IMO). I've had the phone 2 months now and it's starting to have other issues as well. I have a question.... is it possible that a minor crack in the screen would have anything to do with the charging issues? BTW, the crack developed within 10 days of purchase. I did not drop the phone but perhaps, may have sat on it while in back pocket, but I question this for it's "supposed" the have Gorilla glass3 and I would think it would be more resistant to cracking in such a manner? Anyway, looking for answer, mostly, to charging issue. THANX Rick
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Take it back to the store
69Rixter said:
In the past week, this phone has stopped enabling "fast charge" and now, it takes all day (literally) to charge the phone. Also, battery draining is quite rapid (IMO). I've had the phone 2 months now and it's starting to have other issues as well. I have a question.... is it possible that a minor crack in the screen would have anything to do with the charging issues? BTW, the crack developed within 10 days of purchase. I did not drop the phone but perhaps, may have sat on it while in back pocket, but I question this for it's "supposed" the have Gorilla glass3 and I would think it would be more resistant to cracking in such a manner? Anyway, looking for answer, mostly, to charging issue. THANX Rick
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If you put your whole body weight on the phone while bending it (that is, having it in your back pocket while sitting), why are you surprised that it cracked? Sturdy doesn't mean indestructible. And you were asking about custom roms for that phone so if you did something wrong in that regard it wouldn't be surprising if you had problems. Return it for a new one, if they will even take it back. They cover defects not abuse so don't be shocked if they tell you that its your problem.
RE: pwilson33(why does that sound familiar?)
I guess your not aware of durability of Gorilla glass 3, as touted by the manufacturer. But, I'll do some more "checking" and ask them(Gorilla Glass). Funny thing, the phone started charging, in reasonable time frame, albeit without "fast charge". Leads me to believe it's the charger(?). That too, I'll check out with a dealer. I was asking about a ROM. Haven't employed one as yet. Going to inquire at Samsung if it would be alright to revert to Android 9 so that I can continue to use the FM receiver. Strange...but had no problems until a few weeks after "upgrading" to Android 10
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RE: pwilson33(why does that sound familiar?)
I guess your not aware of durability of Gorilla glass 3, as touted by the manufacturer. But, I'll do some more "checking" and ask them(Gorilla Glass). Funny thing, the phone started charging, in reasonable time frame, albeit without "fast charge". Leads me to believe it's the charger(?). That too, I'll check out with a dealer. I was asking about a ROM. Haven't employed one as yet. Going to inquire at Samsung if it would be alright to revert to Android 9 so that I can continue to use the FM receiver. Strange...but had no problems until a few weeks after "upgrading" to Android 10
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You can't go back to Android 9
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RE: pwilson33(why does that sound familiar?)
I guess your not aware of durability of Gorilla glass 3, as touted by the manufacturer. But, I'll do some more "checking" and ask them(Gorilla Glass). Funny thing, the phone started charging, in reasonable time frame, albeit without "fast charge". Leads me to believe it's the charger(?). That too, I'll check out with a dealer. I was asking about a ROM. Haven't employed one as yet. Going to inquire at Samsung if it would be alright to revert to Android 9 so that I can continue to use the FM receiver. Strange...but had no problems until a few weeks after "upgrading" to Android 10
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Guess you're not familiar with things breaking if you put too much stress on them. You can't go back to 9 unless you root the phone and load a custom ROM which voids the warranty, so you're then out of luck for a warranty replacement for the phone you broke.
Personally I'd not trust a battery that had been bent enough to crack the phone. But you obviously know everything, so have fun.
RE: physwizz
Thanx for replying. Damn, did not know that.(" You can't go back to Android 9") Well, gonna have to figure out some other way(?) Hopefully, there is an app out there I haven't discovered.
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Funny, when I took the phone to the dealer, they checked out the battery and said it was "in fine working order" (???). Kinda blows your comment right outta the water, huh? No, I don't know everything, but is apparent that neither do you!!! Keep your snide comments to yourself.
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RE: physwizz
Thanx for replying. Damn, did not know that.(" You can't go back to Android 9") Well, gonna have to figure out some other way(?) Hopefully, there is an app out there I haven't discovered.
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My fast charging works fine if I use the proper charger and a short lead.
Did you do a reset after updating? Lots of issues the pop up after an update are due to leftover data messing with things.
Move your files off and give that baby a factory reset real quick.
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Funny, when I took the phone to the dealer, they checked out the battery and said it was "in fine working order" (???). Kinda blows your comment right outta the water, huh? No, I don't know everything, but is apparent that neither do you!!! Keep your snide comments to yourself.
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I didn't say it wasn't ok did I? I said I wouldn't trust it and I wouldn't. Like said, if you bent it enough to crack the screen a LiOn battery could get the foil exposed and it would go up. Was there a word that was too hard for you?
And if you want to have a comment "blown out of the water", what about your junk regarding gorilla glass? Yea, I'm sure you have NEVER EVER heard of ANYONE BREAKING THEIR SCREEN BEFORE, RIGHT?
Want FM Radio on A10? Nextradio app in the play store. And before you moan about anything, your radio working has nothing to do with Android, but what the firmware allows from the vendor.
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I was just returning here to state that I'd just done what you suggested. Geez... DUH, why didn't I think of/do that sooner. Yes, now charging is working as supposed to. THANK YOU. How do I change the "header" to solved? Hope this can help someone else :good:
RE: pwilson33
If YOU want your comments "blown out of the water", keep making comments on subjects you don't know what your talking about. NextRadio does not work on android 10. Again, I did not say the radio didn't work...read again...I said I couldn't find an app that would access the FM chip. The apps I've investigated all use i-net access. And..."my junk regarding gorilla glass"...you've already proved you know know little to nothing about it. If you can't help out on a thread, which your unable to do, just stay off it.
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If YOU want your comments "blown out of the water", keep making comments on subjects you don't know what your talking about. NextRadio does not work on android 10. Again, I did not say the radio didn't work...read again...I said I couldn't find an app that would access the FM chip. The apps I've investigated all use i-net access. And..."my junk regarding gorilla glass"...you've already proved you know know little to nothing about it. If you can't help out on a thread, which your unable to do, just stay off it.
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Try again. NextRadio works fine on A10, and have it installed and working. Since you appear to have trouble reading, note the part about the firmware on the phone, and some vendors disabling it. If its disabled it doesn't work with any app. And spouting off about it being gorilla glass is supposed to mean what? Or are you seriously trying to say that NO ONE HAS EVER BROKEN THEIR PHONE SCREEN since gorilla glass came out? Because if they have I obviously know more about the possibility of it breaking than you do.
And I'm pretty confident that I've seen many broken phones of all types. Maybe you should get out more.
I've not found an app that can access the FM chipset. Next Radio is defunct now and doesn't work on And. 10. I'm going to mark this thread closed...as soon as I find the proper "tool" to do so.
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I've not found an app that can access the FM chipset. Next Radio is defunct now and doesn't work on And. 10. I'm going to mark this thread closed...as soon as I find the proper "tool" to do so.
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Love how you ignore what you don't feel like answering. Can't wait for your follow up where you insult people and act like you're 9, because you don't have any rational responses.
NextRadio is not 'defunct', and received an update not too long ago. And again it works fine on A10. Did you not understand when you were told very, VERY simply (maybe not simply enough for you, though), that unless your provider ALLOWS that feature to be turned on, it won't work no matter what the app??
And can't you answer the simple question of whether or not you've ever heard of someone dropping their phone and breaking the (in your mind) ABSOLUTELY UNBREAKABLE gorilla glass, that you claim to know all about?