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I'm curious if anyone has a made their own dock that uses the three small charging contacts on the bottom of the N1 instead of using the microUSB port.
So far, I have not seen any 3rd party dock that uses those contact pads. Or maybe someone has figured out a power and/or resistor combination that touches those contact pads and tricks the phone into thinking it's in the Google dock.
Does anyone at least know which two of the three contacts is for 5V and Ground? I don't really care about the one that allows the instant BT sync with the Google dock.
Hi there, I am interested in doing myself as well. I found this on the net, please let me know how you go. I am still waiting for my phone from Google.
tedSmith123 said:
Hi there, I am interested in doing myself as well. I found this on the net, please let me know how you go. I am still waiting for my phone from Google.
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It's pretty simple if this is the case. I'm a bit concerned about trying it. What's the worst that can happen? I've got a 5V source right here.
So I got out my multimeter and I can at least confirm that the ground labeled in the picture does lead to the ground for the battery. The +5V does not seem to connect though, but it may only connect while ground is connected first. I'm not an electrical engineer or anything close. I think I'll test it out this weekend. Get an old USB cable, cut the one end off, use some test lead and try it. I'll update my finding later.
I would suggest we keep watching this thread. They are already talking about similar docks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628094
Just tried it. The diagram above is correct. Phone responds to connection and says "Charging..."
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Just tried it. The diagram above is correct. Phone responds to connection and says "Charging..."
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Awesome, now I'll just have to hope that someone figures how to get the phone tricked into thinking it in the Google dock so that it goes into the clock automatically. I'm hoping it'll be something simple like a resistor, cause that would be easy to wire up. If not, then I'll have to go with my idea of cannibalizing an actual Google dock to make it work.
First let me say I am not trying to be a jerk....but...what would make anyone think that a resistor would be applied to one of the pins as a "signal"? This is 2010 not 1978...signals are digital not analog. I saw 3 pins and instantly knew: power, ground, digital data.
I am only saying this all as a warning to what seems like a growing group of people with no electronics knowledge that think it is a good idea to start jamming voltages through a resistor into a fairly expensive phone...granted it shouldnt hurt anything as long as it is 5v or less...but still.
So be careful and dont break your stuff :-/
Mike
mike105105 said:
First let me say I am not trying to be a jerk
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Fail, came across very jerk like to me
mike105105 said:
what would make anyone think that a resistor would be applied to one of the pins as a "signal"? This is 2010 not 1978...signals are digital not analog. I saw 3 pins and instantly knew: power, ground, digital data.
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The ipod/iphone dock connector uses exactly that setup to determine what type of device it's hooked up to. I know it's a dedicated pin and used for nothing else, but that kind of setup is still used to this day. It's simple and it work (KISS=Keep it simple stupid). I'm sure it won't be that simple in the case of the N1, but I did say I hope it's something "like" a resistor, which implies something that is equally as simple.
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I am only saying this all as a warning to what seems like a growing group of people with no electronics knowledge that think it is a good idea to start jamming voltages through a resistor into a fairly expensive phone...granted it shouldnt hurt anything as long as it is 5v or less...but still.
So be careful and dont break your stuff :-/
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If there is someone willing to try something no one else has, then that's their prerogative. Sure the internet has all the info one could ever need to be able to figure out how things work with out ever having to try anything for themselves, but where is the fun in that. I for one learn better by doing than by reading. But I also know my limits. I will be the first person to admit that I don't 1/1000th of the stuff there is to know about electronics and IC's and electrical engineering, etc. I will research and research and research until my eyes can't focus and my brain can't process anymore info because I don't want to brick my nice new phone. I am however willing to try something if it seems relatively safe.
So your warnings are heeded, but please just try to show a little respect for those brave and enterprising individuals who are willing try something just to see how it works. We wouldn't even have the custom software and hardware ROM/MOD scene if it wasn't for those people.
Folx,
I dont recall where, but there is a thread out there, where some1 with a scope collected the waveforms from the 3rd pin. There appears to be some form of (simplified) digital communication that happens between the "official" dock and the N1. Not sure if it is unidirectional or what, but it is a short pulse train, at about 100 Hz or so. May be it's sole purpose it for N1 to recognize the presence of the dock and to initiate BT communication and launch the clock app. Dunno.
Well sorry if I came across like a jerk.
As far as what the ipod dock uses, that sounds backwards just like apple. Today the way to keep it simple is digital communication not analog because all you need is one pin off of a microcontroller with minimal support circuitry.
I am all for people trying to figure things out, I was just trying to point out the danger of doing things without having a more advanced electronics knowledge, I dont think anyone wants to damage a $540 phone and just thought to warn you.
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Fail, came across very jerk like to me
The ipod/iphone dock connector uses exactly that setup to determine what type of device it's hooked up to. I know it's a dedicated pin and used for nothing else, but that kind of setup is still used to this day. It's simple and it work (KISS=Keep it simple stupid). I'm sure it won't be that simple in the case of the N1, but I did say I hope it's something "like" a resistor, which implies something that is equally as simple.
If there is someone willing to try something no one else has, then that's their prerogative. Sure the internet has all the info one could ever need to be able to figure out how things work with out ever having to try anything for themselves, but where is the fun in that. I for one learn better by doing than by reading. But I also know my limits. I will be the first person to admit that I don't 1/1000th of the stuff there is to know about electronics and IC's and electrical engineering, etc. I will research and research and research until my eyes can't focus and my brain can't process anymore info because I don't want to brick my nice new phone. I am however willing to try something if it seems relatively safe.
So your warnings are heeded, but please just try to show a little respect for those brave and enterprising individuals who are willing try something just to see how it works. We wouldn't even have the custom software and hardware ROM/MOD scene if it wasn't for those people.
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Folx,
I dont recall where, but there is a thread out there, where some1 with a scope collected the waveforms from the 3rd pin. There appears to be some form of (simplified) digital communication that happens between the "official" dock and the N1. Not sure if it is unidirectional or what, but it is a short pulse train, at about 100 Hz or so. May be it's sole purpose it for N1 to recognize the presence of the dock and to initiate BT communication and launch the clock app. Dunno.
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I just searched for 5 minutes and couldn't find it. Could you please try to remember where you saw it? Or any keyword that might pop up?
Dock+Signal did the trick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631508
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Well sorry if I came across like a jerk.
As far as what the ipod dock uses, that sounds backwards just like apple. Today the way to keep it simple is digital communication not analog because all you need is one pin off of a microcontroller with minimal support circuitry.
I am all for people trying to figure things out, I was just trying to point out the danger of doing things without having a more advanced electronics knowledge, I dont think anyone wants to damage a $540 phone and just thought to warn you.
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I would also like to point out that the 5th wire in mini and micro usb cables can be used with a resistor to indicated device presence.
http://pinouts.ru/Devices/mini-USB_pinout.shtml
I will agree though that apple likes to do things backwards. They have a habit of bucking the trends, or making new ones, and even changing old ones to suit their needs.
What about current? What should the current on the +5V input be? Can someone with an original dock measure it?
5v .5a for a slow charge, 5v 1a for a normal charge
(think ebay charger vs htc charger)
Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I would assume so, but if you did, that seems like a pretty good trade. NFC is a dumb gimmick anyway, and I don't really trust the tech with my credit card/banking info given that mere proximity is enough to read it. I would never use NFC.
Frogacuda said:
I would assume so, but if you did, that seems like a pretty good trade. NFC is a dumb gimmick anyway, and I don't really trust the tech with my credit card/banking info given that mere proximity is enough to read it. I would never use NFC.
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Very short sighted it is as much as gimmick as Interac is.
I can not remember the last time I used cash, and why bother when all I need in my bank card and PIN.
Me I live in the 21th Century and I rather take advantage of it than wear my tin foil hat..... worry about everybody out to rip me off.
Who said anything about cash? My cards work fine.
But people can put an NFC reader in a bag and bump into your pocket on the subway. It's really not a particularly secure bit of tech, and it's also not a significantly more convenient thing than swiping a credit card.
Who cares what you think or dont think about NFC, please stick to the subject. Why do we need a special battery for NFC? Is it because the chip is in the battery?
Yes, basically it's a small, flat chip embedded under the sticker label on the skyrocket's battery. I think it works kind of like those security tags they put on books and DVDs.
Someone more knowledgeable than I might be able to tell you if it'd be possible to move that to the new battery.
Soon as NFC catches fire..IF it does.. Then you will be able to purchase mirochip stickies that you can cement on anything you can imagine.
From what I have read on many online searches the battery does not have the NFC circuitry. The battery only houses the NFC short distance antenna, which accounts for the 4th contact on the battery.
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From what I have read on many online searches the battery does not have the NFC circuitry. The battery only houses the NFC short distance antenna, which accounts for the 4th contact on the battery.
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Surely the Chinese battery manufacturers will catch on and we will see cheapo batteries with NFC antennae soon enough. But I agree with others here, NFC sounds like a gimmick and a security risk to me at this point. How strong is the crypto on this technology? It better be pretty damned secure or I will deliberately purchase one of these NON-NFC batteries for my next phone, lol.
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From what I have read on many online searches the battery does not have the NFC circuitry. The battery only houses the NFC short distance antenna, which accounts for the 4th contact on the battery.
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That information is incorrect. Read around people here on the forums have NFC working. **Edit, I misunderstood you. Yes the battery houses the antenna, and the phone has the other parts of the circuity, but without the antenna NFC is useless.
And for those of you who think its a gimmick take a look at what one user here is doing with it:
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A quick example. I have a nfc tag sitting on my nightstand. At night when I go to bed I set my phone on the tag. It automatically turns my wifi off, turns my alarm on, and turns the night mode clock on. Its really neat stuff. Paying with NFC (which we can't do yet) is only scratching the surface when it comes to this technology. If your interested more Google search it. There is tons of stuff.
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Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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The reason why it isn't in the phone is because NFC has an operating range of 4 cm, your phone is already almost 1 cm thick, some people put those horrible otterbox cases on which another 1 cm thick, throw in interference and having that antenna inside the phone rather than the edge of the phone makes it almost useless. This is why the antenna is on the battery, will they move it to inside phone? Probably, but they would have to increase the throughput of the signal which would increase range but that would decrease security.
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Who said anything about cash? My cards work fine.
But people can put an NFC reader in a bag and bump into your pocket on the subway. It's really not a particularly secure bit of tech, and it's also not a significantly more convenient thing than swiping a credit card.
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That wouldnt really work. Google Wallet has a PIN, so even if someone had some kind of NFC device in their bag, they wouldnt be able to extract money because you'd have to manually enter your PIN before the transfer would go through.
On top of that, you need to be really close for NFC to work. Like the phone has to be basically touching the reader. IIRC, for mobile phones, 4 centimeters is the distance the phone can be from the reader. On top of that, the phone has to be unlocked for NFC to work. So unless you walk around with your phone screen awake at all times, it's a total non-issue.
A normal wallet full of cash and cards is much more insecure that Google Wallet and NFC.
NFC is great though. I use it at 7/11, rite-aid, cvs, and mcdonalds all the time.
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Who said anything about cash? My cards work fine.
But people can put an NFC reader in a bag and bump into your pocket on the subway. It's really not a particularly secure bit of tech, and it's also not a significantly more convenient thing than swiping a credit card.
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Virtually all modern credit and debit cards issued by the major banks have some kind of contactless chip embedded in them.
AMEX has ExpressPay, Master Card has PayPass, Discover has Zip, Visa has PayWave. Different banks have it under their own branding, too. Chase, for example, puts them all under their "Blink" term.
The chip itself is like 5mm x 5mm, thinner than the credit card itself, and only really produces a slight variation in the surface of the credit card. You'll only really see it if you're explicitly looking for it.
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Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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I just ordered mine. I never like to buy from china but for 17 dollars even if i got scammed i thought it was worth the chance. Have you noticed an increase in battery life?
i got an extra 1.5-2 hours
ok kool im glad too here
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Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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That looks like a good battery that will fit under the current cover. I too want an extended battery like this but I don't want to lose NFC...
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That information is incorrect. Read around people here on the forums have NFC working. **Edit, I misunderstood you. Yes the battery houses the antenna, and the phone has the other parts of the circuity, but without the antenna NFC is useless.
And for those of you who think its a gimmick take a look at what one user here is doing with it:
cdshepherd said:
A quick example. I have a nfc tag sitting on my nightstand. At night when I go to bed I set my phone on the tag. It automatically turns my wifi off, turns my alarm on, and turns the night mode clock on. Its really neat stuff. Paying with NFC (which we can't do yet) is only scratching the surface when it comes to this technology. If your interested more Google search it. There is tons of stuff.
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I just ordered 5 NFC tags. I'm going to place 1 on my nightstand, 1 in the car and 1 at work. Each one will be programmed to to different things. For example the nightstand tag will turn off wifi, put phone on silent. The car tag will turn up all the sounds, increase brightness to full, turn on bluetooth and GPS and launch the music player. The one at work will turn off all sounds, turn brightness down to minimum and turn off bluetooth and GPS.
Once mobile payments come to my area I will use it NFC for that as well.
i guess when you get the new battery and NFC is grayed out in the settings menu you will have your definitive answer. i'd like to know fo sho.
I just got this battery and nfc is not greyed out in the settings. But I have no way to test it otherwise.
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I just got this battery and nfc is not greyed out in the settings. But I have no way to test it otherwise.
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Stock UCLD2 has NFC test that can be accessed via *#6328378#
Custom rom's might have removed NfcTest.apk as bloat, so it might not work on all.
What would happen to my phone if I completely submerged it in cranberry juice? I'm trying to pass a Chem class and the professor wants me to do something impressive with my phone since he sees me on it all the time. I showed him Cyanogenmod and the like but he's not fazed. He's like, 75 and doesn't understand computers. I don't know about the electrical capacitance of berry juice so I was wondering if I put my myTouch 4G Slide in a clear bucket of cranberry juice whether or not it would still be on while in the juice.
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What would happen to my phone if I completely submerged it in cranberry juice? I'm trying to pass a Chem class and the professor wants me to do something impressive with my phone since he sees me on it all the time. I showed him Cyanogenmod and the like but he's not fazed. He's like, 75 and doesn't understand computers. I don't know about the electrical capacitance of berry juice so I was wondering if I put my myTouch 4G Slide in a clear bucket of cranberry juice whether or not it would still be on while in the juice.
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You would fry your phone. Nothing you do will be able to impress him as his point is that you shouldn’t be on it in class. Mainly with that device. There is not alot you can do. Maybe remotely login to your home pc. Thats about it. Also Showing him CM is not really impressive. They are turning into the running joke of the android world.
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You would fry your phone. Nothing you do will be able to impress him as his point is that you shouldn’t be on it in class. Mainly with that device. There is not alot you can do. Maybe remotely login to your home pc. Thats about it. Also Showing him CM is not really impressive. They are turning into the running joke of the android world.
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Well, isn't that a little discouraging?
Maybe I could submerge it in colored mineral oil since it doesn't conduct electricity? I saw some PCs submerged in mineral oil on Youtube.
And how is CM the "running joke of the Android world"? What are you using, MIUI? Or homebrew?
And he honestly doesn't care that I'm on it. He says, "It's your grade. Do what you want." and I have an A+ anyway. He just wants me to do something cool.
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Well, isn't that a little discouraging?
Maybe I could submerge it in colored mineral oil since it doesn't conduct electricity? I saw some PCs submerged in mineral oil on Youtube.
And how is CM the "running joke of the Android world"? What are you using, MIUI? Or homebrew?
And he honestly doesn't care that I'm on it. He says, "It's your grade. Do what you want." and I have an A+ anyway. He just wants me to do something cool.
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Have you been watching the tech news about CM? Check it out and you will know. No I don't use miui they are right there with cm.
As for something cool I guess you could try a remote login to your pc to recover missing homework or something of that nature.
zelendel said:
Have you been watching the tech news about CM? Check it out and you will know. No I don't use miui they are right there with cm.
As for something cool I guess you could try a remote login to your pc to recover missing homework or something of that nature.
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I mean, yes, CM has screwed up a little in the past few months, I agree, and the weird shenanigans with OnePlus were a little sketch, but I don't think it's worth criticising.
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I mean, yes, CM has screwed up a little in the past few months, I agree, and the weird shenanigans with OnePlus were a little sketch, but I don't think it's worth criticising.
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Have you seen their latest of wanting to take android away from Google? Do they not realize that if Google stopped pushing code to aosp they would die off completely. Then adding in untested code that causes tons of issues, forcing some of their developers to close source their apps so they can make money off of it. Yeah they deserve it. To the point that main aosp based roms have stopped using their sources and are ditching their theme manager.
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What would happen to my phone if I completely submerged it in cranberry juice? I'm trying to pass a Chem class and the professor wants me to do something impressive with my phone since he sees me on it all the time. I showed him Cyanogenmod and the like but he's not fazed. He's like, 75 and doesn't understand computers. I don't know about the electrical capacitance of berry juice so I was wondering if I put my myTouch 4G Slide in a clear bucket of cranberry juice whether or not it would still be on while in the juice.
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Assuming you have done a unit on electrochemistry....why not make a battery to charge your phone.
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Assuming you have done a unit on electrochemistry....why not make a battery to charge your phone.
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Ah, I see what you mean, but no, we haven't yet. I guess I could do the thing this gal did here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_LLj4_3ZRA
This might win.
AndrMatr said:
What would happen to my phone if I completely submerged it in cranberry juice? I'm trying to pass a Chem class and the professor wants me to do something impressive with my phone since he sees me on it all the time. I showed him Cyanogenmod and the like but he's not fazed. He's like, 75 and doesn't understand computers. I don't know about the electrical capacitance of berry juice so I was wondering if I put my myTouch 4G Slide in a clear bucket of cranberry juice whether or not it would still be on while in the juice.
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You could "do something impressive" within the bounds of Chemistry. Dunking a phone in cranberry juice (or any other flavour) isn't impressive at all. I see someone already suggested making a battery...
MiyagiSan said:
You could "do something impressive" within the bounds of Chemistry. Dunking a phone in cranberry juice (or any other flavour) isn't impressive at all. I see someone already suggested making a battery...
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Look at post #8
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Look at post #8
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Is that what you've settled on?
If so, onions and proper leads can give you an eye-wateringly bigger jolt than citrus fruits... :crying:
Please do not put your perfectly good phone in cranberry juice.... please.
Instead do this....
Get an old charging cable you don't care about (a lot cheaper to destroy)....
and show you can charge your phone with a make-shift battery.
Whatever battery you make I recommend using a diode connected transistor or some kind of a limiter to limit current to your phone so you don't burn it out incase you make some awesome kind of a bad ass battery.
That will impress your professor.
Tips:
You can make a fruit battery out of:
Four lemons (the bigger and juicier the better)
Four pennies
Five zinc-galvanized nails
Five sets of alligator clips
but I'm not sure if the mA would be enough to charge your phone but it will be enough to power a small LED.
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Please do not put your perfectly good phone in cranberry juice.... please.
Instead do this....
Get an old charging cable you don't care about (a lot cheaper to destroy)....
and show you can charge your phone with a make-shift battery.
Whatever battery you make I recommend using a diode connected transistor or some kind of a limiter to limit current to your phone so you don't burn it out incase you make some awesome kind of a bad ass battery.
That will impress your professor.
Tips:
You can make a fruit battery out of:
Four lemons (the bigger and juicier the better)
Four pennies
Five zinc-galvanized nails
Five sets of alligator clips
but I'm not sure if the mA would be enough to charge your phone but it will be enough to power a small LED.
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking of a fruit battery, more like an old school voltaic pile made out of coins (like pennies) or metal disks from the hardware store. Depending on which metals and electrolyte you use, you should get 0.5V to 1V per "cell". The diode transistor is a super good idea, and you probably will need a voltmeter to determine how many volts your battery is producing and you should also be able to determine the mAmp being produced. Look at the specs of your the charger for your device and just make sure you don't go over the current or voltage specs. My guess is that you will not be able to generate enough current to fully charge your device, so I would leave it off and just try and get the "battery charging" display to light up for a bit. If you go down this route, be prepared to answer some "chemistry" teacher type questions. The more you know the more impressed your teacher will be.
MiyagiSan said:
Is that what you've settled on?
If so, onions and proper leads can give you an eye-wateringly bigger jolt than citrus fruits... :crying:
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Well, then, I planned to do something with something related to that. I just might use pennies, foamboard soaked in vinegar, and zinc discs.
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking of a fruit battery, more like an old school voltaic pile made out of coins (like pennies) or metal disks from the hardware store. Depending on which metals and electrolyte you use, you should get 0.5V to 1V per "cell". The diode transistor is a super good idea, and you probably will need a voltmeter to determine how many volts your battery is producing and you should also be able to determine the mAmp being produced. Look at the specs of your the charger for your device and just make sure you don't go over the current or voltage specs. My guess is that you will not be able to generate enough current to fully charge your device, so I would leave it off and just try and get the "battery charging" display to light up for a bit. If you go down this route, be prepared to answer some "chemistry" teacher type questions. The more you know the more impressed your teacher will be.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. The fruit trick is used too often and has lost its value.
TryHardBlueonMac said:
Please do not put your perfectly good phone in cranberry juice.... please.
Instead do this....
Get an old charging cable you don't care about (a lot cheaper to destroy)....
and show you can charge your phone with a make-shift battery.
Whatever battery you make I recommend using a diode connected transistor or some kind of a limiter to limit current to your phone so you don't burn it out incase you make some awesome kind of a bad ass battery.
That will impress your professor.
Tips:
You can make a fruit battery out of:
Four lemons (the bigger and juicier the better)
Four pennies
Five zinc-galvanized nails
Five sets of alligator clips
but I'm not sure if the mA would be enough to charge your phone but it will be enough to power a small LED.
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I bought a new phone yesterday, so my old myTouch will be fine to destroy just in case. The camera doesn't work, neither does the flash, or certain other things. I bought it on Amazon for $50.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. The fruit trick is used too often and has lost its value.
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Well if you have voltmeter you can set up your pile and try different electorlytes. Typically the stronger the acid and saltier it is the better. So you can try salt water, distilled vinegar, and salt added to distilled vinegar as your electrolytes and record the voltage/cell for each electrolyte...make a nice table, build your (probably 5V battery) explaining how the table helped you choose what kind to build, make a pretty picture displaying the chemistry involved and badda bing...you are done
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Is that what you've settled on?
If so, onions and proper leads can give you an eye-wateringly bigger jolt than citrus fruits... :crying:
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Definitely.
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Well if you have voltmeter you can set up your pile and try different electorlytes. Typically the stronger the acid and saltier it is the better. So you can try salt water, distilled vinegar, and salt added to distilled vinegar as your electrolytes and record the voltage/cell for each electrolyte...make a nice table, build your (probably 5V battery) explaining how the table helped you choose what kind to build, make a pretty picture displaying the chemistry involved and badda bing...you are done
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That's a great idea. I don't have a working camera so I can't take pictures of the process to show you guys...
Hi guys
So I'm my country South Africa this isn't locally available however its possible to import it using amazon. As with any device, before I buy I read through the xda thread for it.
Some alarming things have caught my attention namely the kill switch thing. I have a vague understanding of what it is but I don't know what triggers it.
I'm looking at buying the newest shield tablet, the one for $200 without the stylus. Is this tablet affected by the kill switch thing?
Lastly, how is it to flash TWRP and root?
The Shield Tablet K1 does not have the kill switch.
Flashing TWRP and rooting is easy.
As edisso10018 said, rooting and flashing twrp is pretty easy, As for the kill switch, the Original Shield Tablet has the kill switch not the Shield Tablet K1
Cool thanks guys.
Also this kill switch thing was created because there was a fatal flaw in the y01 series battery and it proved hazardous as in it exploded in several events and when lipo go off they can cause serious damage so in order to cover nvidia's butt they issued a mandatory recall send new tablets to owners and then pushed out an update that is supposed to brick any of the tablets with this battery in it. Near the end of the recall they stopped requiring the bad tablets back and if you did not go on the internet before killing it services you could keep the Pyro tablet going it was strongly suggested that the Pyro battery is pulled and replaced with another cell the of Nexus 7 cells seem to work...
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Also this kill switch thing was created because there was a fatal flaw in the y01 series battery and it proved hazardous as in it exploded in several events and when lipo go off they can cause serious damage so in order to cover nvidia's butt they issued a mandatory recall send new tablets to owners and then pushed out an update that is supposed to brick any of the tablets with this battery in it. Near the end of the recall they stopped requiring the bad tablets back and if you did not go on the internet before killing it services you could keep the Pyro tablet going it was strongly suggested that the Pyro battery is pulled and replaced with another cell the of Nexus 7 cells seem to work...
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Please cite the latter, where you suggest Nexus 7 battery works.
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Please cite the latter, where you suggest Nexus 7 battery works.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66585885&postcount=53
There is two things I have issue with in his directions but as I don't have a Pyro or a spare Nexus 7 battery to mess with my warnings are probably safe to ignore.
1. The ribbon should be going to a similar board that he took off the stock battery pack. In theory those two wires he does nothing with are for the temperature sensor and signal wire to tell the charging circuit to shut off. By pealing back to that board you should be met with a bare li-ion pack with 2 leads a positive and negative and some sort of temp probe. It should be possible to remove that board and place the shield's protection board on that lipo.
2. It should be possible to connect the other 2 wires to the shield rather than use the old y01 protection which may or may not be involved in the issue.
In addition thus gave me the idea of putting 6-7 18650 in parallel using a combination of a 3d printed back and a hole cut in the OEM backplate the 3d printed part may or may not be removable to swap the cells live. But having a 9000+ mAh battery might be worth the junk in the trunk you just added... The batteries would double the thickness but each 18650 holds between 2000mAh and 3500mAh by my measure in the spot of the battery you should be able to fit 6-7 so 12,000-24,500mAh depending on cells you get...
So I have an extended battery that I used for some time without issue. Out of the blue, I started getting "invalid battery" followed by the phone immediately shutting down. Is there anything that can be modified in the system to disable the genuine battery check? I found this thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=53155791 )that discusses a similar issue where it was solved by editing build.prop, but I cannot find anything in build.prop that seems relevant.
After looking through the kernel, I found some references to /sys/class/power_supply/battery_id/valid_batt_id in the bumped boot image. Not sure where to go from there. I am downloading some tools for unpacking .img files so that I can possibly modify the boot image if necessary. I also found some battery related drivers that reference valid_battery_id or something to that effect. The individual that released the kernel I'm using doesn't believe this is kernel related (I do believe it is, just not sure what to do) and I haven't got a reply from the dev of the ROM.
I'm running Fulmics 6.7 on my D850 LG G3 with Xceed 7n kernel.
Thanks in advance.
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So I have an extended battery that I used for some time without issue. Out of the blue, I started getting "invalid battery" followed by the phone immediately shutting down. Is there anything that can be modified in the system to disable the genuine battery check? I found this thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=53155791 )that discusses a similar issue where it was solved by editing build.prop, but I cannot find anything in build.prop that seems relevant.
After looking through the kernel, I found some references to /sys/class/power_supply/battery_id/valid_batt_id in the bumped boot image. Not sure where to go from there. I am downloading some tools for unpacking .img files so that I can possibly modify the boot image if necessary. I also found some battery related drivers that reference valid_battery_id or something to that effect. The individual that released the kernel I'm using doesn't believe this is kernel related (I do believe it is, just not sure what to do) and I haven't got a reply from the dev of the ROM.
I'm running Fulmics 6.7 on my D850 LG G3 with Xceed 7n kernel.
Thanks in advance.
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You can get all that if you want but if the battery is an aftermarket battery and not produced by your device manufacturer then in the end it will most likely damage your hardware, mainly the CPU, then the device is dead anyway.
Use the properly power rated and approved battery and the properly power rated charger if you want to avoid damaging your hardware. Aftermarket batteries may last longer but they aren't always built to within specs for the device as the stock batteries are and usually end up causing issues.
Be smart and use the proper stuff if you want to avoid these kinds of issues.
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Clearly I've decided to use the aftermarket battery despite any risks. Thanks for the advice, but I'm looking for an answer on how to use the battery I've already paid for. I want 2 batteries and I'm not looking to buy another just so I can have an official LG battery. I've already tested this battery with a multimeter so I think it's fairly safe to say it won't harm anything.
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Clearly I've decided to use the aftermarket battery despite any risks. Thanks for the advice, but I'm looking for an answer on how to use the battery I've already paid for. I want 2 batteries and I'm not looking to buy another just so I can have an official LG battery. I've already tested this battery with a multimeter so I think it's fairly safe to say it won't harm anything.
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Go ahead and screw your device up then, its guaranteed to damage it. Its your choice to be stupid if you feel like you have to. Good luck with that. A new device will cost you more than what you wasted on the battery you bought though....
The evidence of what has happened clearly shows that it WILL damage your device, the damage has already started, that's why you're having issues.
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Go ahead and screw your device up then, its guaranteed to damage it. Its your choice to be stupid if you feel like you have to. Good luck with that. A new device will cost you more than what you wasted on the battery you bought though....
The evidence of what has happened clearly shows that it WILL damage your device, the damage has already started, that's why you're having issues.
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Just because lg wants you to use official lg stuff doesn't mean it will damage the device. I used the battery for weeks before this happened. Did you miss the bit where I said I tested the battery with a multimeter? Quit wasting my time. You're obviously ignorant. Probably don't know what a multimeter is...
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Just because lg wants you to use official lg stuff doesn't mean it will damage the device. I used the battery for weeks before this happened. Did you miss the bit where I said I tested the battery with a multimeter? Quit wasting my time. You're obviously ignorant. Probably don't know what a multimeter is...
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That's where you're wrong, I know what a multimeter is. Also, I never said anything about only being able to use LG produced stuff, I said that using stuff that does not meet all factory hardware/software controller specs causes issues at some point, as you are currently experiencing and finding out for yourself personally. As I said, regardless of your "opinion", the FACT is, when it comes to batteries, chargers and other hardware. there is more to it than JUST the voltage/amperage it delivers, there is software and hardware in the DEVICE that controls and communicates with the battery , similar to a Dell laptop and other electronic devices that use a charger that has specific hardware incorporated in it that communicates with the system it is plugged into, if a different charger is used it will eventually destroy the health of the battery. It is a PROVEN fact that using aftermarket batteries and chargers "over time" does indeed cause damage. Do some research and you'll see. I didn't miss the fact that you've used it for weeks but YOU did miss the fact that you now have issues, the issue is not with software, it's with the hardware itself, whether it be the battery or now the device hardware, otherwise, you wouldn't have the issue at all, and that's just all there is to it. You are obviously the ignorant one if you don't believe proven fact, what makes it so bad is you are "choosing" to be ignorant and you are the one wasting time with modifying software because in the end, all it will do is compromise the integrity of your device.
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That's where you're wrong, I know what a multimeter is. Also, I never said anything about only being able to use LG produced stuff, I said that using stuff that does not meet all factory hardware/software controller specs causes issues at some point, as you are currently experiencing and finding out for yourself personally. As I said, regardless of your "opinion", the FACT is, when it comes to batteries, chargers and other hardware. there is more to it than JUST the voltage/amperage it delivers, there is software and hardware in the DEVICE that controls and communicates with the battery , similar to a Dell laptop and other electronic devices that use a charger that has specific hardware incorporated in it that communicates with the system it is plugged into, if a different charger is used it will eventually destroy the health of the battery. It is a PROVEN fact that using aftermarket batteries and chargers "over time" does indeed cause damage. Do some research and you'll see. I didn't miss the fact that you've used it for weeks but YOU did miss the fact that you now have issues, the issue is not with software, it's with the hardware itself, whether it be the battery or now the device hardware, otherwise, you wouldn't have the issue at all, and that's just all there is to it. You are obviously the ignorant one if you don't believe proven fact, what makes it so bad is you are "choosing" to be ignorant and you are the one wasting time with modifying software because in the end, all it will do is compromise the integrity of your device.
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I've actually had a look at the drivers for the battery and you are wrong. It is not as complex as you make it. The drivers have the device monitor the battery's temperature, amps, volts.... There is nothing fancy going on in the battery lol. It's just a lithium ion battery.
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I've actually had a look at the drivers for the battery and you are wrong. It is not as complex as you make it. The drivers have the device monitor the battery's temperature, amps, volts.... There is nothing fancy going on in the battery lol. It's just a lithium ion battery.
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Didn't say it was "fancy", and some of what monitors what I'm talking about isn't driver related, but its a moot point with you. The fact remains that you've got an issue that didn't "just start out of nowhere", it's because either your battery is faulty somehow or it's because the battery itself is causing a hardware issue. In either case, your battery is causing the problem, hence your issue in the first place. Enough said. I just wonder how much longer the device will last you if you don't at least replace the battery before it gets worse, factory spec or not.
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Didn't say it was "fancy", and some of what monitors what I'm talking about isn't driver related, but its a moot point with you. The fact remains that you've got an issue that didn't "just start out of nowhere", it's because either your battery is faulty somehow or it's because the battery itself is causing a hardware issue. In either case, your battery is causing the problem, hence your issue in the first place. Enough said. I just wonder how much longer the device will last you if you don't at least replace the battery before it gets worse, factory spec or not.
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Wrong and wrong again. There is code in the kernel that is there specifically to check to see if the battery is an "official lg battery" just like there is specific code written into the firmware for the Xbox 360 DVD drive that verifies your games are official Microsoft games. There is a way around this. It's a matter of removing the validity check. This has nothing to do with the health of battery. I know you haven't delved into the code since this isn't even your device. Since you have nothing to contribute, why don't you move on...
Can't believe I'm arguing with someone who is either A.) still using a galaxy s3 or B.) Too lazy to update their signature...
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Wrong and wrong again. There is code in the kernel that is there specifically to check to see if the battery is an "official lg battery" just like there is specific code written into the firmware for the Xbox 360 DVD drive that verifies your games are official Microsoft games. There is a way around this. It's a matter of removing the validity check. This has nothing to do with the health of battery. I know you haven't delved into the code since this isn't even your device. Since you have nothing to contribute, why don't you move on...
Can't believe I'm arguing with someone who is either A.) still using a galaxy s3 or B.) Too lazy to update their signature...
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Don't be stupid, you are precocious to think you're "above" me or to think I'm ignorant, I hate to burst your bubble, I've been here a while at various levels, even among the staff, I didn't get there by being ignorant.
So, tell me "all mighty great android genius", why did it not do this the very first time you booted your device with that battery if it "just" the coding in the kernel, explain that.
I couldn't care less what the coding "says", my experience with many issues on a plethora of devices tells me otherwise because I've been there and done that, you're just pissing in the wind with that. I've used non factory batteries on several devices as well, without issue and without modifying anything, I might add. How, do you ask? Not by accident, by careful selection of what I used, not just something that fits and "claims" to be appropriate. Have fun, enjoy your journey.
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Don't be stupid, you are precocious to think you're "above" me or to think I'm ignorant, I hate to burst your bubble, I've been here a while at various levels, even among the staff, I didn't get there by being ignorant.
So, tell me "all mighty great android genius", why did it not do this the very first time you booted your device with that battery if it "just" the coding in the kernel, explain that.
I couldn't care less what the coding "says", my experience with many issues on a plethora of devices tells me otherwise because I've been there and done that, you're just pissing in the wind with that. I've used non factory batteries on several devices as well, without issue and without modifying anything, I might add. How, do you ask? Not by accident, by careful selection of what I used, not just something that fits and "claims" to be appropriate. Have fun, enjoy your journey.
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TL;DR
You must live a sad pathetic life. Please keep commenting on this thread with your worthless opinions. My 2 year old gives better advice than you.
ChadChoosy said:
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You must live a sad pathetic life. Please keep commenting on this thread with your worthless opinions. My 2 year old gives better advice than you.
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It's FACT, not opinion, the only opinion in this thread, is yours. I didn't get to be RC by giving bad advice, I wasn't a member of the XDA Assist team by giving bad advice either and I didn't get over 2,000 thanks by giving bad advice either. The proof is in the pudding dude. Just keep your opinions to yourself, what I've said isn't bad advice, it just doesn't agree with what you WANT.
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Don't be stupid, you are precocious to think you're "above" me or to think I'm ignorant, I hate to burst your bubble, I've been here a while at various levels, even among the staff, I didn't get there by being ignorant.
So, tell me "all mighty great android genius", why did it not do this the very first time you booted your device with that battery if it "just" the coding in the kernel, explain that.
I couldn't care less what the coding "says", my experience with many issues on a plethora of devices tells me otherwise because I've been there and done that, you're just pissing in the wind with that. I've used non factory batteries on several devices as well, without issue and without modifying anything, I might add. How, do you ask? Not by accident, by careful selection of what I used, not just something that fits and "claims" to be appropriate. Have fun, enjoy your journey.
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While I haven't been as active on XDA as you, I have been a member for 5 years longer. Your experience on a "plethora" of devices is a drop in a bucket compared to my experience. At some point you need to learn that your input is not always wanted. I said in my first response to **** off since you had nothing to contribute. I have a specific goal and you have no intent on helping me reach that goal so move on and harass someone else. I don't give a **** if you think I'll damage my device. GUESS WHAT, it's MY device. So I'll exercise my prerogative to use it as I see fit and if that means destroying it, so be it. Since I have experience using aftermarket batteries in many devices(none of which were manufacturer branded), and since I have never once damaged a device doing so, I think I'll continue. In previous years, manufacturers did not add snippets of code that checked the validity of the battery, so this was always a non issue, however, times have changed and now I'm forced to find a solution. When I solve this problem, I'll be sure to PM you and let you know when my phone goes up in flames. I think it's safe to say you won't be receiving that message.
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It's FACT, not opinion, the only opinion in this thread, is yours. I didn't get to be RC by giving bad advice, I wasn't a member of the XDA Assist team by giving bad advice either and I didn't get over 2,000 thanks by giving bad advice either. The proof is in the pudding dude. Just keep your opinions to yourself, what I've said isn't bad advice, it just doesn't agree with what you WANT.
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Well you were right. Got my phone to work with the extended battery and within minutes it went up in flames... Just kidding. I've been using my extended battery for a week now. It works with ROMs that aren't based on my stock ROM and thanks to the help of the developer of Fulmics, I now have a solution to make it work with stock-based ROMs, also. Here's the short version: You were incorrect.
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Well you were right. Got my phone to work with the extended battery and within minutes it went up in flames... Just kidding. I've been using my extended battery for a week now. It works with ROMs that aren't based on my stock ROM and thanks to the help of the developer of Fulmics, I now have a solution to make it work with stock-based ROMs, also. Here's the short version: You were incorrect.
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Never said that you couldn't do it. I said it wasn't smart to do it and that over time you'll probably have issues or cause damage, which still stands by the way.
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Never said that you couldn't do it. I said it wasn't smart to do it and that over time you'll probably have issues or cause damage, which still stands by the way.
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You were adamant that the "invalid battery" error was being caused by a faulty battery. I said several times that it was because the battery was not an official LG battery, which was the case. The reality of the situation is this: I will have no issues with the battery because it is no different than any other battery. Suggesting that a battery is ersatz because it doesn't have a LG sticker on it is silly. I'm not sure why you think this. All these major manufacturers buy their batteries from Chinese suppliers anyway. They don't make their batteries in-house.
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You were adamant that the "invalid battery" error was being caused by a faulty battery. I said several times that it was because the battery was not an official LG battery, which was the case. The reality of the situation is this: I will have no issues with the battery because it is no different than any other battery. Suggesting that a battery is ersatz because it doesn't have a LG sticker on it is silly. I'm not sure why you think this. All these major manufacturers buy their batteries from Chinese suppliers anyway. They don't make their batteries in-house.
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You just don't get it, you are speaking as if using aftermarket batteries DOESN'T cause problems, which is FALSE. It is true that your battery MAY not cause a problem but that does NOT say that it absolutely WON'T cause a problem at all, which is what you are trying to say, which is AGAIN, FALSE.
And I NEVER said you HAD to use an OFFICIAL LG battery, I said aftermarket batteries "can" be used depending on the battery chosen and that depends on more than just a few factors, but it isn't RECOMMENDED and when I say "not recommended", I don't mean JUST by LG, I mean by anyone with any sense. My point was that the very REAL possibility is there so why take the risk? Aftermarket batteries have caused REAL problems more than a FEW times.
I also said that if it was JUST the valid battery check that was messing with you then why did it take WEEKS to show up instead of when you FIRST used your battery? It was that point that possibly suggests SOME form of degradation SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW that may already be going on with your device. There is a reason why it is recommended to use the proper(proper doesn't mean only official) hardware and isn't JUST so the manufacturer can make money. There is also the fact that if it DOES at some point cause a problem then the damage won't be covered by any warranty on the device. Catching fire isn't the ONLY risk involved, it is only the worst case scenario, it would more commonly over extended time and usage cause CPU failure or any one a few other issues and never actually catch fire. But, so what? In those cases it won't catch fire but it will have caused those other issues which still equals the fact that the battery would be the cause.
What I'm talking about is VERY real, you just choose to ignore it. You're like a car owner that thinks since he knows something about cars then he doesn't have to use the right oil in his vehicle or doesn't have to use the right tire pressure or any other factor that is important for a vehicle. You probably argue with your doctor because you read stuff online that makes you think you understand medicine even though the doctor spent a lot if money and time learning about medicine.
I also said in the first sentence of my first reply to you in the effect of "you can do all of that if you want but using aftermarket batteries and chargers are known for causing issues".
You just wanted to argue like a kid that wants the last word because you want to use your precious aftermarket battery instead of truly being sensible. Its true it may never cause an issue, but can you look into the future and say at this point that it 100% will not? No, you CAN'T, period. But I can 100% say that you wouldn't be the first to screw up their device if it does.
Now, enjoy your battery. Hopefully you won't be wrong.
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You just don't get it, you are speaking as if using aftermarket batteries DOESN'T cause problems, which is FALSE. It is true that your battery MAY not cause a problem but that does NOT say that it absolutely WON'T cause a problem at all, which is what you are trying to say, which is AGAIN, FALSE.
And I NEVER said you HAD to use an OFFICIAL LG battery, I said aftermarket batteries "can" be used depending on the battery chosen and that depends on more than just a few factors, but it isn't RECOMMENDED and when I say "not recommended", I don't mean JUST by LG, I mean by anyone with any sense. My point was that the very REAL possibility is there so why take the risk? Aftermarket batteries have caused REAL problems more than a FEW times.
I also said that if it was JUST the valid battery check that was messing with you then why did it take WEEKS to show up instead of when you FIRST used your battery? It was that point that possibly suggests SOME form of degradation SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW that may already be going on with your device. There is a reason why it is recommended to use the proper(proper doesn't mean only official) hardware and isn't JUST so the manufacturer can make money. There is also the fact that if it DOES at some point cause a problem then the damage won't be covered by any warranty on the device. Catching fire isn't the ONLY risk involved, it is only the worst case scenario, it would more commonly over extended time and usage cause CPU failure or any one a few other issues and never actually catch fire. But, so what? In those cases it won't catch fire but it will have caused those other issues which still equals the fact that the battery would be the cause.
What I'm talking about is VERY real, you just choose to ignore it. You're like a car owner that thinks since he knows something about cars then he doesn't have to use the right oil in his vehicle or doesn't have to use the right tire pressure or any other factor that is important for a vehicle. You probably argue with your doctor because you read stuff online that makes you think you understand medicine even though the doctor spent a lot if money and time learning about medicine.
I also said in the first sentence of my first reply to you in the effect of "you can do all of that if you want but using aftermarket batteries and chargers are known for causing issues".
You just wanted to argue like a kid that wants the last word because you want to use your precious aftermarket battery instead of truly being sensible. Its true it may never cause an issue, but can you look into the future and say at this point that it 100% will not? No, you CAN'T, period. But I can 100% say that you wouldn't be the first to screw up their device if it does.
Now, enjoy your battery. Hopefully you won't be wrong.
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I jokingly said TL;DR before but this seriously is TOO LONG. YOU WROTE ME A BOOK.... Do you seriously need to get the last word in an argument or what? Good God. I'm not even going to bother reading what you wrote, nor will i read any future replies. I created this thread to find a solution to my problem and I have. I didn't make this to argue with an imbecile.
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I jokingly said TL;DR before but this seriously is TOO LONG. YOU WROTE ME A BOOK.... Do you seriously need to get the last word in an argument or what? Good God. I'm not even going to bother reading what you wrote, nor will i read any future replies. I created this thread to find a solution to my problem and I have. I didn't make this to argue with an imbecile.
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All I did was repeat everything I said and clarified for your dumb ass. How everything I said was technically sound and how you just wanted to dispute that fact because it was in fact "you" that just had to have the last word because somehow you think you're so much smarter than proven facts.
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This guy.... Mods close this thread. Seriously tired of getting notifications from this moron.