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Why does my Z3 have such poor performance

I came from using an iPhone. The things I loved about iOS were the smoothness of the operating system (especially the animations and scrolling in apps) and the nice slection of apps that is available. Now I was up for a new phone last month and after serieusly considering the new iPhone 6 I decided to give Android another go. I really liked what google had done with android 5 and the new apps coming out were much more to my taste. I tried several phones in shops and my wife's One plus One. To my surprise the one plus was very smooth most of the time. Scrolling was finally almost without lag and it felt nice enough to use.
Now I decided to go for the Z3 as I loved the phone itself. As it has the same insides as the oneplus I assumed it would be just as smooth. It isn't. Its a lot more laggy and that is especially the case when scrolling in various twitter and rss apps. I annoys me to the point where I read want to ditch the phone.
I have tried several factory resets and even flashed the stock firmware (old and new) via flash tool. Whatever I do it doesn't seem to help. Why is the one plus (and the nexus 9) so much smoother than my Z3 when I use them side by side. Is there something I could try to improve this? Maybe performance will improve when we finally get Lollipop? I am at a loss.

Just a thought, but under Settings > Power Management > STAMINA mode, do you have Extended usage turned on?

melogray said:
Just a thought, but under Settings > Power Management > STAMINA mode, do you have Extended usage turned on?
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I have. But I only when have stamina mode turned on when I don't use the phone for long periods. Otherwise it is turned of.

Try turning it off and reboot your device. Normally the Z3 is working buttery smooth without any lag or stuttering. When activating extended usage the phone should display a message advising you to keep the setting turned off if it causes too much performance issues. In my experience, once you turn extended usage on, it kind of remains active in the background until you actually reboot the phone, even if you turn the setting off. I also find that the performance loss coming with the extended usage setting is out of all proportion to its power saving abilities.

Tried but that has no effect. Still way less smooth scrolling through fenix timeline than scrolling through exact same timeline on my wife's one plus. Really strange. Games are comparable but scrolling in all apps is just poor.

what firmware are you using? before the latest update mine was a bit laggy, but even with extended stamina mode enabled all the time now, phone is super quick.

henson0115 said:
what firmware are you using? before the latest update mine was a bit laggy, but even with extended stamina mode enabled all the time now, phone is super quick.
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23.0.1.A.5.77
Tried reflashing it twice with full factory reset and still no improvement. I will say it is slightly less laggy though than it was on the previous firmware. Maybe its just i am used to IOS. But what bothers me is that my wife's Oneplus is much smoother while that has the same hardware,.

hoekzemaar said:
23.0.1.A.5.77
Tried reflashing it twice with full factory reset and still no improvement. I will say it is slightly less laggy though than it was on the previous firmware. Maybe its just i am used to IOS. But what bothers me is that my wife's Oneplus is much smoother while that has the same hardware,.
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what apps do you have installed? my z3 next to other peoples iphone 6's and s5 etc, seems lightning quick, again with extended stamina enabled. maybe you have a rogue app or an app running in the background killing your resources?

No looked into that. That's not the problem.
Maybe the title of the thread is misleading. I agree the Z3 is snappier than an iPhone. That's pure speed though. What I am talking about is smoothness. Particularly when scrolling. That's when the laggyness is most noticeable

hoekzemaar said:
No looked into that. That's not the problem.
Maybe the title of the thread is misleading. I agree the Z3 is snappier than an iPhone. That's pure speed though. What I am talking about is smoothness. Particularly when scrolling. That's when the laggyness is most noticeable
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i never really thought about it before, but maybe because i am using apex launcher? are you able to try another launcher, do you get the same thing?
do you have any dev options enabled?

I use Nova Launcher. The launcher is fine. Its scrolling inside apps that is the main problem. And occasionally elsewhere in the os but going through homescreens is smooth

hoekzemaar said:
I use Nova Launcher. The launcher is fine. Its scrolling inside apps that is the main problem. And occasionally elsewhere in the os but going through homescreens is smooth
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ok so its the apps that cause the problem then. how about the dev menu, do you have any options in there enabled? if so which ones.

Only Verify apps over USB and USB debugging.

hmm, not sure what else to suggest looking at. maybe someone else will have an idea? something is clearly not quite right though. have you tried using cpuz to see what your cpu is doing? do you get fullspeed on the cpu?

henson0115 said:
hmm, not sure what else to suggest looking at. maybe someone else will have an idea? something is clearly not quite right though. have you tried using cpuz to see what your cpu is doing? do you get fullspeed on the cpu?
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Just checked. It seems like the CPU is working fine though there are a lot of spikes when I only have cpuz open.
I think I will probably just wait and see what lollipop has to offer in a month or so and if it doesn't improve I'll likely switch back to an iPhone. Maybe my priorities are just in the wrong place for android.

Have u tried using any other Z3's as a point of reference? The comparisons that I've seen btwn the OnePlus & the Z3 seem to state near identical performance re: ui smoothness & stutter free scrolling, etc.
I, for one, have no such issues with my Z3 although I may not be comparing the same apps with which u speak of? I'm using Nova Launcher & the lollipop theme.

Stixxbixby said:
Have u tried using any other Z3's as a point of reference? The comparisons that I've seen btwn the OnePlus & the Z3 seem to state near identical performance re: ui smoothness & stutter free scrolling, etc.
I, for one, have no such issues with my Z3 although I may not be comparing the same apps with which u speak of? I'm using Nova Launcher & the lollipop theme.
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Unfortunately I have no way of comparing another Z3. All the apps that I use are not installed on the demo models in shops. I have been using my wife's oneplus now for 24 hours and the difference is immense. I would say it is almost completely lag free. A lot nicer to use. Such a disappointment for me as I really wanted to like the Sony more than I do. I now also notice that I very much dislike the glass back.

hoekzemaar said:
I came from using an iPhone. The things I loved about iOS were the smoothness of the operating system (especially the animations and scrolling in apps) and the nice slection of apps that is available. Now I was up for a new phone last month and after serieusly considering the new iPhone 6 I decided to give Android another go. I really liked what google had done with android 5 and the new apps coming out were much more to my taste. I tried several phones in shops and my wife's One plus One. To my surprise the one plus was very smooth most of the time. Scrolling was finally almost without lag and it felt nice enough to use.
Now I decided to go for the Z3 as I loved the phone itself. As it has the same insides as the oneplus I assumed it would be just as smooth. It isn't. Its a lot more laggy and that is especially the case when scrolling in various twitter and rss apps. I annoys me to the point where I read want to ditch the phone.
I have tried several factory resets and even flashed the stock firmware (old and new) via flash tool. Whatever I do it doesn't seem to help. Why is the one plus (and the nexus 9) so much smoother than my Z3 when I use them side by side. Is there something I could try to improve this? Maybe performance will improve when we finally get Lollipop? I am at a loss.
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First thing
Please don't compare iOS to Android..they are both very much different platform and iOS manages memory very much efficiently and also their hardware platform is completely different from other companies.
Now About OnePlus > it uses CyanogenMod which is modded to work more efficiently than pure android or any other skinned android like SenseUI, XperiaUI or TouchWizUI.
Nexus 6 uses pure android which is way more light then other UI so you got the answer maybe why our Z3 lags...but i dont mind a little lag here and there..its quite normal its a phone after all..

My mom has the iPhone 6, I can't say its any better than my Z3 in function but the Z3 has a much much better battery life and is as smooth as the iPhone 6. Maybe you have an errant app/s, try a factory reset is nothing works. Most people who switch to Android from iPhone seem to prefer HTC Sense UI, my dad bought the M8 for that very reason. The Z3 is pretty close to stock and almost as good as Sense in my opinion and is stutter free in use.
I don't know about CM being more efficient because some review sites like GSMArena found the colors OS version of the Oppo phone to be better performing and having slightly better battery wise. CM is less cluttered compared to OEM garbage and has more useful options though.

abhinav.tella said:
My mom has the iPhone 6, I can't say its any better than my Z3 in function but the Z3 has a much much better battery life and is as smooth as the iPhone 6. Maybe you have an errant app/s, try a factory reset is nothing works. Most people who switch to Android from iPhone seem to prefer HTC Sense UI, my dad bought the M8 for that very reason. The Z3 is pretty close to stock and almost as good as Sense in my opinion and is stutter free in use.
I don't know about CM being more efficient because some review sites like GSMArena found the colors OS version of the Oppo phone to be better performing and having slightly better battery wise. CM is less cluttered compared to OEM garbage and has more useful options though.
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I would want to agree on that...my friend... Completely true...

Multi tasking - memory management

Could someone please make a video how the s7 behaves regarding mulit tasking. We know that the s6 had major problems with this. There were a lot of tweaks with LMK but nothing really satisfying.
So please, open some apps (also chrome with some tabs open), maybe a game or two and jump between the recent apps.
With 4 gigs of ram there should not be a reload ...
Thank you very much!

Multitasking is fixed. We have tested it on MWC stands, using many different apps and opening a lot of browser tabs, and it works so good.

Great to know

really good to know. looking forward to a comparison video

multitasking is fixed with Marshmallow 6.0.1

If the "thread starter" asks a question regarding multitasking and raises his/hers concern about the issue that has plagued Samsung-devices in the past then why even respond if you do not have adequate information.
"It works so good" or "Multitasking is fixed", well I disagree, define fixed? That you with 4 GB of RAM (In my opinion) only can have a maximum of 7-8 apps running in the background is not by any means great or "fixed".
There are Android phones that are equipped with 3- and some even with 2- GB:s of RAM that can handle up to 12 simultaneous running APPS in the background with no issue, and thats not even considering the IOS´platforms RAM-capabilities, but that's a different subject all together.
Don't get me wrong I am Very excited about the S7 and have ordered a S7 Edge myself but when someone asks a direct question that for the person could be a deciding factor about buying the phone, then an accurate answer from a fellow XDA-members should be a matter of course.
A just answer will probably be difficult to give before reviewers have gotten their hands on a device with final software and thoroughly test the RAM management, for now i´ll let the video speak for itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sssTg8cwYE4

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If the "thread starter" asks a question regarding multitasking and raises his/hers concern about the issue that has plagued Samsung-devices in the past then why even respond if you do not have adequate information.
"It works so good" or "Multitasking is fixed", well I disagree, define fixed? That you with 4 GB of RAM (In my opinion) only can have a maximum of 7-8 apps running in the background is not by any means great or "fixed".
There are Android phones that are equipped with 3- and some even with 2- GB:s of RAM that can handle up to 12 simultaneous running APPS in the background with no issue, and thats not even considering the IOS´platforms RAM-capabilities, but that's a different subject all together.
Don't get me wrong I am Very excited about the S7 and have ordered a S7 Edge myself but when someone asks a direct question that for the person could be a deciding factor about buying the phone, then an accurate answer from a fellow XDA-members should be a matter of course.
A just answer will probably be difficult to give before reviewers have gotten their hands on a device with final software and thoroughly test the RAM management, for now i´ll let the video speak for itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sssTg8cwYE4
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Damn, I was expecting something like that. Not really good for 4 gigs of ram. It's better than my s6 though.

GZA1337 said:
Damn, I was expecting something like that. Not really good for 4 gigs of ram. It's better than my s6 though.
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I Agree, I´ve got the Edge+, I'm not a big gamer but personally for me it gets very frustrating when the browser and youtube reloads. Can't imagine it's anything other than software, here's hoping Google brings better bulit in native RAM-management in the next iteration of Android

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If the "thread starter" asks a question regarding multitasking and raises his/hers concern about the issue that has plagued Samsung-devices in the past then why even respond if you do not have adequate information.
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Thanks for the video! Looks like it's not fixed that much in S7.
As for other arguments, I completely agree. I'm an insane simultaneous-running-apps multitasker and my Note 3 with 3GB of RAM is good enough, when set up properly. Tabs rarely reload (unless browser is designed that way by default always to reload) and I don't lose sessions.
This is crucial to me and that's why I have shunned later updates (both ROM and hw).
I need this to be much better not 25% better (2 apps more on S7) and no 15 minutes of fiddling at MWC booth is going to convince me that some "timed triggers" or "memory garbage collection" routines are not lurking there, when you are not using your phone for , say 30 minutes (or using _that_ specific bg app for 1 hour).
So, phones need to ship and real people need to test them in real-life use, before we can know for sure it's fixed.

To be fair, she didn't try more than 8 apps. She counted that 8 apps were already running and then she tried a memory intensive game after that. For all we know it could have handled some more apps so I don't think we can make any proper judgement from that video.

Pleske said:
To be fair, she didn't try more than 8 apps. She counted that 8 apps were already running and then she tried a memory intensive game after that. For all we know it could have handled some more apps so I don't think we can make any proper judgement from that video.
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For all we know the game-launcher might actually cause more apps to be closed in the background just to provide the user with the best experience possible. As long as it doesn't close apps in the background after 4 or more apps are open, it's fine.

Pleske said:
To be fair, she didn't try more than 8 apps. She counted that 8 apps were already running and then she tried a memory intensive game after that. For all we know it could have handled some more apps so I don't think we can make any proper judgement from that video.
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Yes, but it depends on the which apps, not how many. Chrome or apps using chromium are killing my SGS6 because each is using over 200mb of ram. My phone has a tweaked Low Memory killer what is much better than before, but still, using chromium kills most of the apps in the background. Even if the phone sleeps, it seems to me that after some time apps were killed, although I removed all the bloat from samsung. I love this phone, but the reloads are big sh*t. If this is similar on the s7, I would never buy it. Sadly there is no alternative yet. Nexus 6p is to big for me.

GZA1337 said:
Yes, but it depends on the which apps, not how many. Chrome or apps using chromium are killing my SGS6 because each is using over 200mb of ram. My phone has a tweaked Low Memory killer what is much better than before, but still, using chromium kills most of the apps in the background. Even if the phone sleeps, it seems to me that after some time apps were killed, although I removed all the bloat from samsung. I love this phone, but the reloads are big sh*t. If this is similar on the s7, I would never buy it. Sadly there is no alternative yet. Nexus 6p is to big for me.
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Samsung did go on record stating that the multitasking will be much better on the S7. Wouldn't trust this one video. And the phone should close apps when playing a game to give the user the best experience possible.

borimol said:
Multitasking is fixed. We have tested it on MWC stands, using many different apps and opening a lot of browser tabs, and it works so good.
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No, it's not fixed. If you leave an app for few hours it will get out from memory. It simply sucks and you cannot rely on anything.
For example opened just a few apps yesterday before going to sleep. Switched between them, all ok. A few hours later app reloads. Almost all of them! Chrome (one simple page), Maps, Keep, Yahoo Mail.. reloaded.
Phone uptime: aprox 75 hours.
Edit: by disabling apps battery saver (and restarting), the system keeps the apps opened the next day. However, if i use an app for more time, system pushes out recently apps from ram

Micro-stutters and GPU governor behaviour

Hello,
Like a lot of people on the various Oneplus 6 forums, I too am experiencing occasional micro-stutters in the UI. I wanted to start a discussion here for people who are also experiencing this and also to share various ways to mitigate it.
On my Oneplus 3 (had it for 2 years) I always had the GPU governor set to "performance" and it was always butter smooth with decent battery life. There were never any dropped frames or micro-stutters because everytime I touched my screen the GPU would jump to max (450Mhz) before dropping back down to minimum. This ensured a speedy UI when touching and scrolling the screen.
I want to repeat this on my Oneplus 6 but I'm having difficulty in getting the phone to use the performance GPU governor. I can set it to performance but doing so doesn't ramp the GPU to max frequency when touching the screen like it did on my Oneplus 3
I'm currently on OOS 5.1.8 rooted with magisk and running ElementalX kernel.
Can anyone please test this out on their phone - set performance GPU governor and check what happens to the GPU frequency when touching the screen (use a GPU frequency monitoring app). It should jump to MAX freqency but it doesn't for me.
I'm interested to know if it does for anyone else - perhaps on a different kernel than ElementalX

have this micro stuttering, very annoying ...

damn ,just as i was about to get a op6 after next week.
what exactly is this micro stuttering? im currently using a 6p and feel somewhat outdated with the snap810.
i get occassional lags and its annoying, and also stutters.
im surprised to see the stuttering in op6, if more ppl have this i might ditch the 6 and get a 5t..
EDIT: Darn, googled oneplus stuttering and it seems the 5t is affected too ._.'

If you are experiencing shuttering while scrolling as the finger is on the screen. It's an app with accessibility access causing it. Removing the app completely fixes it

leondestiny said:
damn ,just as i was about to get a op6 after next week.
what exactly is this micro stuttering? im currently using a 6p and feel somewhat outdated with the snap810.
i get occassional lags and its annoying, and also stutters.
im surprised to see the stuttering in op6, if more ppl have this i might ditch the 6 and get a 5t..
EDIT: Darn, googled oneplus stuttering and it seems the 5t is affected too ._.'
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Don't listen to him, he's full of crap honestly. If you CHOOSE to obsess over minor non-issues that 99.9% of people won't notice, that's your (OP's) problem, not OnePlus's. This phone is faster than anything on the market and if OP is really so desperate to find something better he's more than welcome to develop his own ROMs and kernels, or produce his own phone that he thinks is perfect and see how many people buy it.

TheNetwork said:
Don't listen to him, he's full of crap honestly. If you CHOOSE to obsess over minor non-issues that 99.9% of people won't notice, that's your (OP's) problem, not OnePlus's. This phone is faster than anything on the market and if OP is really so desperate to find something better he's more than welcome to develop his own ROMs and kernels, or produce his own phone that he thinks is perfect and see how many people buy it.
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honestly i was paranoid for a while only, i know the op6 is the phone to get for me.
i will probably get one after like 10 days..
i bet it will be like night and day difference between my 6p ..
excited to get it, which color would you recommend?
i wanted the grey version initially but i heard it can be slippery?
the black one will have more grip but is a fingerprint magnet, what about the white one.. hmm
i guess either of the 3 will be fine, will see what they have i guess.
and i think OP could fix his stutters simply by rooting and flashing some goodies.
i root my phones day1 XD
i hope dev support will be good for OP6, heard that theres that a/b thing.
and some roms called treble roms? apparently are not so stable, but that there will eventually be normal custom roms..
plus i saw nathan in the op6 section, theres flash kernel for the op6 baby..
cant go wrong with this one..
now i only need to find myself a good glass screen protector ,since the one it comes with is a plastic sp.

TheNetwork said:
Don't listen to him, he's full of crap honestly. If you CHOOSE to obsess over minor non-issues that 99.9% of people won't notice, that's your (OP's) problem, not OnePlus's. This phone is faster than anything on the market and if OP is really so desperate to find something better he's more than welcome to develop his own ROMs and kernels, or produce his own phone that he thinks is perfect and see how many people buy it.
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Mind your own business. Minor non issues, yeah sure. You obviously have no idea what op is talking about.

i too have noticed it, and i'm using franken kernel

masri1987 said:
i too have noticed it, and i'm using franken kernel
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Something like an app is causing that. I can run through apps, scroll constantly in settings, scroll and surf on the web constantly with no stopping and I get maybe 1 frame lost every 20 seconds or so. I have like 60 apps installed.

I'm using stock , never rooted , I have never notice this stutter.
I have rooted alot of phones too, just not the op6 because I see no need to.
Maybe faulty units ?
If you want to see stutter use the s8 lol.

I noticed does drops also. But whit https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6/development/kernel-franken-t3799290/ newest version it almost gone for me. Very little when it occurs.

For me those drops are gone again after a reboot, but they are always coming back.

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For me those drops are gone again after a reboot, but they are always coming back.
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Yes, I noticed that, so far almost a day and no annoying stutters, hope so to stay that way ? will report how it will stay after a night.

Driver007 said:
Yes, I noticed that, so far almost a day and no annoying stutters, hope so to stay that way ? will report how it will stay after a night.
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That's mostly when they are coming back for me, after a long time of idling. Let us know, thanks!

Fully stock phone. No microstutters, but the frames do drop from 60+ normally to about 30 on some ui interactions. Still smooth to the eye though.

I've come to the conclusion that the UI stutters and animation jank is much worse in 5.1.8 so I am downgrading to 5.1.6 until Oneplus sorts it's Oxygen OS out. There are clearly problems within OOS itself with stutters. Many others are also observing this too and those who are not, are either not bothered by it (maybe used Samsung previously so are used to it) or simply don't see it even though it is there.
The proof of this is that I have set performance governors on both big and little CPU clusters AND also set performance GPU governor (so in effect, throwing the entire resources of Oneplus 6 at the UI) and still there are dropped frames all over the UI. Hell, even my old Oneplus 3 was never nearly this bad and was buttery smooth in comparison. I am completely disappointed with this phone having been superbly impressed with the Oneplus 3. These kind of UI stutters are why I don't touch Samsung anymore and I thought I had found refuge in Oneplus phones
I'm probably going to get a Pixel 3 next time round and if I can't get a buttery smooth UI on Oneplus 6. I'm begginning to consider selling it and moving on such is my frustration and disappointment.
Come on Oneplus! you can do better than this
Edit: before anyone starts saying anything, I DON'T have xposed or any fancy mods. All I have is stock OOS with Magisk rooted. I have tried 3 different kernels on 5.1.8 - Elemental, Stock and Blu_spark. All produce these stutters/frame drops.

carlos67 said:
I've come to the conclusion that the UI stutters and animation jank is much worse in 5.1.8 so I am downgrading to 5.1.6 until Oneplus sorts it's Oxygen OS out. There are clearly problems within OOS itself with stutters. Many others are also observing this too and those who are not, are either not bothered by it (maybe used Samsung previously so are used to it) or simply don't see it even though it is there.
The proof of this is that I have set performance governors on both big and little CPU clusters AND also set performance GPU governor (so in effect, throwing the entire resources of Oneplus 6 at the UI) and still there are dropped frames all over the UI. Hell, even my old Oneplus 3 was never nearly this bad and was buttery smooth in comparison. I am completely disappointed with this phone having been superbly impressed with the Oneplus 3. These kind of UI stutters are why I don't touch Samsung anymore and I thought I had found refuge in Oneplus phones
I'm probably going to get a Pixel 3 next time round and if I can't get a buttery smooth UI on Oneplus 6. I'm begginning to consider selling it and moving on such is my frustration and disappointment.
Come on Oneplus! you can do better than this
Edit: before anyone starts saying anything, I DON'T have xposed or any fancy mods. All I have is stock OOS with Magisk rooted. I have tried 3 different kernels on 5.1.8 - Elemental, Stock and Blu_spark. All produce these stutters/frame drops.
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Can you post the bug reports or your observations to official oneplus bug reporting platform?
This will draw their attention and issue might be solved much faster than posting it here.
https://forums.oneplus.com/feedback/
Thanks

sarus_b said:
Can you post the bug reports or your observations to official oneplus bug reporting platform?
This will draw their attention and issue might be solved much faster than posting it here.
https://forums.oneplus.com/feedback/
Thanks
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Have just submitted a bug report to Oneplus. Thanks for the link :good:
I suggest anyone else experiencing this does the same. If we all do then Oneplus may take notice.

carlos67 said:
Have just submitted a bug report to Oneplus. Thanks for the link :good:
I suggest anyone else experiencing this does the same. If we all do then Oneplus may take notice.
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Share link so I can confirm it

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Share link so I can confirm it
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The post immediatly above mine

Question 2+ Week impressions

Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol

Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.

blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.
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Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.

joemossjr said:
Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.
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Can you change that in Developer options?
Standard limit... or did they change the "standard"?
Lol, I close out apps constantly especially Brave browser which always runs in the background otherwise.

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Exynos i think?

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.

This has been the worst new phone transition I've ever had. From trying to order to Samsung stretching the truth about the specs, to configuring every app from scratch. To multiple Factory Resets just to solve something buggy. To Google apps not performing the same.
I expected the major debloat and privacy settings. I did not expect T-Mo to install Facebook 4 times nor that it would take 6 phone calls to unlock a phone I paid for fully.
I am happy with the performance, screen, and the camera is beyond words. Hoping I am about done configuring and side loading. adb is your friend.

So far, the S22 Ultra feels like the Note20 Ultra with faster data speeds, better battery life, and slightly better camera. There is nothing earth shattering but overall seems a bit better. My only complaints are the weaker vibrate motor and lack of microSD card support.
I had a chance to test the S21 Ultra against the S22 Ultra and found the S21 Ultra to have slightly better speakers, stronger vibration motor, slightly better battery life and it's nice that it comes with up to 16 GB RAM. It's easier to hold as well, but the screen aspect ratio is less practical in many cases. It also gets warmer than the S22 Ultra.
For everything that improves with these iterative upgrades, there are a few steps back. If you're happy with your Note20 Ultra or S21 Ultra, I'd say there's no rush to upgrade unless you get an amazing deal.

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.

Rubby1025 said:
I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.
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Sorry. No. This ain't it cheif. People make the same argument for TVs (that if they were to make "dummy" TVs without Android it would be a $5K set... um $5K TVs exist and still have the spyware). The gaslighting by manufacturers is real.
Also 2~5K sets then did indeed exist, and for the sake of argument I'm not gonna talk inflation cause it really didn't change /that/ much aside from all mfr's getting greedy since covid. 2010's "smart" TVs didn't exist and the "smart" features were only on more expensive sets, as well as being more useless than today.
I paid for the hardware. But it's a "license to use" argument is the same bull that the pro-copyright NES crowd uses... sheesh

Paul_Deemer said:
Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.
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Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware

Kris_b1104 said:
Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware
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Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.

blackhawk said:
Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.
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It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.

Paul_Deemer said:
It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.
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If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.

blackhawk said:
If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.
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Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.

Paul_Deemer said:
Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.
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That's a good thing
It's completely unpredictable. I've used SmartSwitch without issues. I don't trust it at all though... I remember Kies
It may have screwed up the load on my newest N10+, still troubleshooting it. It developed a... lag No big deal.
Almost all issues can be resolved by simply "playing" with it, Adroids wuv attention.

Question galaxy a53 Really lagging and slow??

That Its true this can be fix with any software update?

williec80 said:
That Its true this can be fix with any software update?
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Given the A53 is a "budget" device with low end hardware, the best you can really do is run a "clean" OS with as little bloat as possible. There isn't much that will make your device faster besides reducing what is running at any given time.

Thank you the attentive answer, it not sounds too good . Not can be at a good and still cheap too
What is your proposal for the Galaxy A73 have you any experience this phone for regarding this topic?

Temporary fix until software update hopefully can fix it.
1. Install and use nova launcher
2. Navigation bar buttons instead gestures.
3. Keyboard lag use Gboard
4. Messenger lag use google messenger.
It seems to fix most lag. It also seems to this is a software issues. Affecting Samsung apps and services. So delete all Samsung apps u can and disable the other u can't delete. Do not use any Samsung apps do not sign in to Samsung. Scrolling stutter only able to fix if screen is put to 60hrz but this isnt a 100% it still will occasionally stutter when scrolling webpages Facebook and so on but it is far less then with 120hrz.
But the 4 solutiona mentioned should fix most lag.

Temporary fix until software update hopefully can fix it.
1. Install and use nova launcher
2. Navigation bar buttons instead gestures.
3. Keyboard lag use Gboard
4. Messenger lag use google messenger.
It seems to fix most lag. It also seems to this is a software issues. Affecting Samsung apps and services. So delete all Samsung apps u can and disable the other u can't delete. Do not use any Samsung apps do not sign in to Samsung. Scrolling stutter only able to fix if screen is put to 60hrz but this isnt a 100% it still will occasionally stutter when scrolling webpages Facebook and so on but it is far less then with 120hrz.
But the 4 solutiona mentioned should fix most lag.

dante501 said:
Temporary fix until software update hopefully can fix it.
1. Install and use nova launcher
2. Navigation bar buttons instead gestures.
3. Keyboard lag use Gboard
4. Messenger lag use google messenger.
It seems to fix most lag. It also seems to this is a software issues. Affecting Samsung apps and services. So delete all Samsung apps u can and disable the other u can't delete. Do not use any Samsung apps do not sign in to Samsung. Scrolling stutter only able to fix if screen is put to 60hrz but this isnt a 100% it still will occasionally stutter when scrolling webpages Facebook and so on but it is far less then with 120hrz.
But the 4 solutiona mentioned should fix most lag.
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Thank you these usefull advise. i will try it asap and will feedback that what is the result.

This phone was definitely slower when I first got it. It took a few days of use for it to get adjusted. I also always replace the launcher with nova, keyboard with gboard, and messages with signal.
Then I use ADB to remove a couple of stupid packages. Like anything Facebook related any of the AR packages, apps that I don't use (why the hell does Samsung have two messaging apps on a phone stock?).
I came from the OnePlus 6t and I feel like this device is only a minor upgrade overall. In the end that's kind of all I was looking for because the 6t still ran great.
I do notice some poor responsiveness in the touch screen from time to time (although that seems to be getting better each day) and I definitely noticed a pretty big delay when I use voice to text. It definitely takes a second to fire up the mic which leads to it picking up where I'm talking mid sentence.
I may yank out more of the Samsung system apps as time goes on. For the moment I'm enjoying the Bixby routines because it's keeping me from needing to install Tasker. I recommend everyone try that at their own risk. Do some research first but there are a lot of system apps and processes that Samsung preloads in here that always run in the background sucking up precious RAM. I say try it at your own risk because if you uninstall the wrong applications you can mess your phone up pretty bad.

Also Facebook is a big resource hog. Even on an iPhone 13 it can stutter occasionally or even freezes specially in marketplace and makes the phone run hot. If you don't mind using the mobile version I would highly recommend using that instead the app.

I also think there is better devices for less mOney that even offer more but probably never get those 4 software updates. Like the Blu F91 BLU F91 5G | 2022 | 3-Day Battery | Unlocked | 6.8” Full HD+ Display | 128/8GB | 48MP Quad Camera | US Version | US Warranty | Sky Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJM9XVW/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_FW76ZJAX9F1BWN35ZA5M?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 it has wireless fast charging and a gas charger in the box a case and screen protector and headphones. It's 5G and it's 250 dollars. This phone overall is a much better deal but the software probably will never or only be upgraded one time unfortunately.

dante501 said:
I also think there is better devices for less mOney that even offer more but probably never get those 4 software updates. Like the Blu F91 BLU F91 5G | 2022 | 3-Day Battery | Unlocked | 6.8” Full HD+ Display | 128/8GB | 48MP Quad Camera | US Version | US Warranty | Sky Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJM9XVW/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_FW76ZJAX9F1BWN35ZA5M?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 it has wireless fast charging and a gas charger in the box a case and screen protector and headphones. It's 5G and it's 250 dollars. This phone overall is a much better deal but the software probably will never or only be upgraded one time unfortunately.
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I agree 100% about facebook. I stopped using the app shortly after they first released it LOL. I find it much much easier to just use the mobile website.
I was looking at some Chinese devices as well before settling on this. One of the reasons I went with the a53 5G is compatibility with T-Mobile's 5G in my area. Also the software and support factored in. I was lucky enough to have my 6t for almost 4 years. That's the longest I've ever had a smartphone for and I really enjoyed being able to get that much lifespan out of a inexpensive device compared to the competition. The promise of support for this device led me to choose it even though it's only a mild upgrade from what I had before.

DRSdroid said:
I agree 100% about facebook. I stopped using the app shortly after they first released it LOL. I find it much much easier to just use the mobile website.
I was looking at some Chinese devices as well before settling on this. One of the reasons I went with the a53 5G is compatibility with T-Mobile's 5G in my area. Also the software and support factored in. I was lucky enough to have my 6t for almost 4 years. That's the longest I've ever had a smartphone for and I really enjoyed being able to get that much lifespan out of a inexpensive device compared to the competition. The promise of support for this device led me to choose it even though it's only a mild upgrade from what I had before.
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thank you the usefull and detail of rich description...

It is laggy because Samsung picked the weaker hardware for this phone (even though it sells for mid range price, there is no SD778 or Exynos 1080 or Dimensity 1200). As others said you could disable things and only use 60Hz screen. But if you haven't bought it yet you can buy the A52s which will be smoother.

DRSdroid said:
This phone was definitely slower when I first got it. It took a few days of use for it to get adjusted. I also always replace the launcher with nova, keyboard with gboard, and messages with signal.
Then I use ADB to remove a couple of stupid packages. Like anything Facebook related any of the AR packages, apps that I don't use (why the hell does Samsung have two messaging apps on a phone stock?).
I came from the OnePlus 6t and I feel like this device is only a minor upgrade overall. In the end that's kind of all I was looking for because the 6t still ran great.
I do notice some poor responsiveness in the touch screen from time to time (although that seems to be getting better each day) and I definitely noticed a pretty big delay when I use voice to text. It definitely takes a second to fire up the mic which leads to it picking up where I'm talking mid sentence.
I may yank out more of the Samsung system apps as time goes on. For the moment I'm enjoying the Bixby routines because it's keeping me from needing to install Tasker. I recommend everyone try that at their own risk. Do some research first but there are a lot of system apps and processes that Samsung preloads in here that always run in the background sucking up precious RAM. I say try it at your own risk because if you uninstall the wrong applications you can mess your phone up pretty bad.
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Did removing these packages help performance? I am going back and forth about whether to return the phone or not (the camera is unusable at the moment - but hopefully that changes with software updates - I am yet to receive the April update). Thanks.

kitchenfork said:
Did removing these packages help performance? I am going back and forth about whether to return the phone or not (the camera is unusable at the moment - but hopefully that changes with software updates - I am yet to receive the April update). Thanks.
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Removing packages helped free up some RAM. I'm definitely not experiencing the level of lag you're describing and the camera seems fine compared to my 6t.
This phone is half the price of most flagship devices. I'm not sure what your expectations are for such a device. Perhaps you should get a better device, or wait for the new oneplus Nord and see how it's performs.

kitchenfork said:
Did removing these packages help performance? I am going back and forth about whether to return the phone or not (the camera is unusable at the moment - but hopefully that changes with software updates - I am yet to receive the April update). Thanks.
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I'm confused. I don't have Facebook on my A53 or ADB wasn't needed if it was originally (and not system app). Did you grab a carrier one? That would explain it to me. Not seeing lag on my unlocked A53.
If you grabbed an unlocked one then I don't know why you'd have lag unless it had a physical issue or you use something I don't use that causes it.

dante501 said:
Temporary fix until software update hopefully can fix it.
1. Install and use nova launcher
2. Navigation bar buttons instead gestures.
3. Keyboard lag use Gboard
4. Messenger lag use google messenger.
It seems to fix most lag. It also seems to this is a software issues. Affecting Samsung apps and services. So delete all Samsung apps u can and disable the other u can't delete. Do not use any Samsung apps do not sign in to Samsung. Scrolling stutter only able to fix if screen is put to 60hrz but this isnt a 100% it still will occasionally stutter when scrolling webpages Facebook and so on but it is far less then with 120hrz.
But the 4 solutiona mentioned should fix most lag.
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Enable developer options and disable all animations should fix this without the need for installing a 3rd party launcher or other software.

DRSdroid said:
Removing packages helped free up some RAM. I'm definitely not experiencing the level of lag you're describing and the camera seems fine compared to my 6t.
This phone is half the price of most flagship devices. I'm not sure what your expectations are for such a device. Perhaps you should get a better device, or wait for the new oneplus Nord and see how it's performs.
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Hmmm, the camera takes about 1 to 2 seconds to take a photo, and sometimes doesn't take a photo at all and because of the lag I often miss the photo opportunity because I am waiting to see if it worked (daytime photos). The rest is manageable, but still laggier then my old S9+, I at least thought it would match that performance (I don't game, so only day to day use performance is important for me). Seems like my phone is unusually slow, maybe something went wrong when transferring over from s9+ and I should start fresh with a factory reset! Everything else about the phone is great, so I will persevere . A few software updates should hopefully smooth things out. Thanks for the help/suggestions.

kitchenfork said:
Hmmm, the camera takes about 1 to 2 seconds to take a photo, and sometimes doesn't take a photo at all and because of the lag I often miss the photo opportunity because I am waiting to see if it worked (daytime photos). The rest is manageable, but still laggier then my old S9+, I at least thought it would match that performance (I don't game, so only day to day use performance is important for me). Seems like my phone is unusually slow, maybe something went wrong when transferring over from s9+ and I should start fresh with a factory reset! Everything else about the phone is great, so I will persevere . A few software updates should hopefully smooth things out. Thanks for the help/suggestions.
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If its only the camera from press to saved then the April update should mostly if not fully solve that. You have the April update yet or not?
For me it seems to be under a second after April update. Pre-April it was more like 3-5 seconds.
Not really something I would have cared that much about either way lol. Just have to get used to it.

I've had this phone almost a week now.. I have SwiftKey as my kb...
Can't say I've noticed any type of lag on this device... 120hz, dark mode background services running, wifi calling on you name it.
What are y'all even all the reviewers doing to experience lag??
Kind of would like to know lol

V0latyle said:
Given the A53 is a "budget" device with low end hardware, the best you can really do is run a "clean" OS with as little bloat as possible. There isn't much that will make your device faster besides reducing what is running at any given time.
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A53 is not a "Budget" device. It is mid level. Samsung's budget devices are the A1#, A2# and A3# phones.